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no sugar or flour, food addiction?
brenn24179
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Do you think there is food addiction? Some people say dont eat sugar or flour. That seems like a hard way to live, not ever having a cookie? They say they dont struggle. What do you think? I know I keep gaining and losing the same 5 pounds, it is still a struggle for me. I would like to not struggle but giving up sugar and four seems so hard.
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I lost 25 pounds through Vida counseling. I have been at 130 for five months. I monitor my sugar intake. If I have frozen strawberries I put sugar on them. If I have oatmeal I put in sugar. A cookie? I evaluate what I want to eat, and make it fit into my daily eating goals. What is holding me back now is lack of running on a treadmill for three miles a day. We will never be able to cut sugar and flour our of our diet - so I fit them in in moderation. No more than two slices of whole wheat bread a day, but usually only one.4
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There are people who are 'abstainers' who find it easier to give up things than to eat them in moderation. I'm not one. I'd rather be obese than never eat another cookie.
Fortunately I didn't have to. I started at 190ish and am now 126ish. While eating the freaking cookie when I wanted it (or bread, or cake or potatoes or candy or ice cream or whatever). My only restrictions were in making sure I get ENOUGH protein and fat and stay/stayed within my calories. Those are the only restrictions I have now.31 -
I don't know whether some people have food addiction. I suspect there's not physical addiction in the same sense as there would be to (for example) addictive narcotics, but there are certainly psychological dependencies, and sometimes cravings. People have associations with food, learned behaviors related to comfort and reward - it can be pretty complicated and fraught.
What I'm pretty sure of is that I don't personally have anything I need to think of as a food addiction. Food is tasty, I like eating it, and I need some well-tailored personal strategies that allow me to enjoy food, but avoid overdoing, on average, over time.
Do some people give up sugar or flour, feel that they personally need to do that in order to succeed, say that they don't struggle to do it? Sure.
Frankly, I don't find sugar or flour at all hard to moderate . . . in that I can't imagine wanting to sit and eat quantities of either one plain, by the spoonful. A really good cookie can be hard to resist sometimes, sure. That suggests that for me the sugar nor the flour specifically are the problem, but something more like (once again) tasty foods being easy to over-eat, and even more so if they aren't very filling, as cookies usually aren't.
I sort of think that gaining and losing the same 5 pounds repeatedly (gradually) is a reasonable definition of maintenance, for me. If I start creeping up in my maintenance range, I need to creep back down again. If I drop down a little low, then I need to gain back without an eating extravaganza that overdoes the needed creeping up in weight. Sometimes doing what I need to is easier or harder for a variety of reasons, of course. Struggle is kind of in the eye of the beholder, maybe?
I think this is my own personal weird thing, but I really, really don't like thinking of it in dramatic terms, myself. It doesn't help me. Mostly, it works better for me to think of it as a fun science-fair experiment, that I should keep working on, using some science and some hard-won self knowledge, until I get the outcome I want. YMMV.20 -
I'm sensitive to carbs.
I cant just have 1 cookie - and pasta and bread etc .. doesn't satiate me and I can easily consume a lot of calories without feeling full.
Moderation is something I'm still learning.
It's difficult- that's why I got fat in the first place.
But I don't practice keto or low carb or abstinence of certain foods etc ..
I try to fit them into my allowance- or if I overeat them I log it accept it and move on.
I don't have over processed food in the house - so if I want to eat cookies or pizza etc It's a bit harder to access them and I can satisfy the cravings with a healthier lower calorie option.13 -
I don't know whether some people have food addiction. I suspect there's not physical addiction in the same sense as there would be to (for example) addictive narcotics, but there are certainly psychological dependencies, and sometimes cravings. People have associations with food, learned behaviors related to comfort and reward - it can be pretty complicated and fraught.
What I'm pretty sure of is that I don't personally have anything I need to think of as a food addiction. Food is tasty, I like eating it, and I need some well-tailored personal strategies that allow me to enjoy food, but avoid overdoing, on average, over time.
Do some people give up sugar or flour, feel that they personally need to do that in order to succeed, say that they don't struggle to do it? Sure.
Frankly, I don't find sugar or flour at all hard to moderate . . . in that I can't imagine wanting to sit and eat quantities of either one plain, by the spoonful. A really good cookie can be hard to resist sometimes, sure. That suggests that for me the sugar nor the flour specifically are the problem, but something more like (once again) tasty foods being easy to over-eat, and even more so if they aren't very filling, as cookies usually aren't.
I sort of think that gaining and losing the same 5 pounds repeatedly (gradually) is a reasonable definition of maintenance, for me. If I start creeping up in my maintenance range, I need to creep back down again. If I drop down a little low, then I need to gain back without an eating extravaganza that overdoes the needed creeping up in weight. Sometimes doing what I need to is easier or harder for a variety of reasons, of course. Struggle is kind of in the eye of the beholder, maybe?
I think this is my own personal weird thing, but I really, really don't like thinking of it in dramatic terms, myself. It doesn't help me. Mostly, it works better for me to think of it as a fun science-fair experiment, that I should keep working on, using some science and some hard-won self knowledge, until I get the outcome I want. YMMV.
Same. I have no expectation of staying the same weight or even a super narrow range of a pound or two. Gaining and losing about 5 pounds over and over and over, very slowly, forever is about what I expect to happen on a seasonal (or just life circumstance) basis. NBD. ...and actually my personal accepted range is 7 lbs. As long as I avoid needing new clothes, I'm good.9 -
I don't know about food addictions. For me I knew that I couldn't sustain a weight loss or maintenance if certain foods were banned. Just the word "banned" or "forbidden" has such a negative connotation for me. Sure there are foods that I have on a very infrequent basis and usually in moderation. And there are some foods that I rarely keep at home like potato chips. And sometimes I go overboard and that's just fine. I've maintained an 80+ weight loss for over 8 years and keep my weight within 3 lbs; if it goes up even 4 or 5 I'll just be more careful and it'll come back down.9
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There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.12 -
jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.7 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
If you have the calories or make a conscious decision to eat a whole pack of cookies rather than being UNABLE to stop eating cookies? Might not be moderating that time but it's sure choosing NOT to moderate, vs not beign ABLE to moderate.
Heck, I ate a whole pint of ben and jerry's this weekend. Was it moderation? No. Does that mean I can't moderate? No. It means I was very active, had a lot of calories 'to spare' and made a choice. I'm a grown up. W e're allowed to do that.20 -
Personally I don't believe there's food addiction. How can you be addicited to something you need TO LIVE? Unlike alcohol, gambling, drugs, etc., food is a necessity. I have yet to see someone sell their body, steal from loved ones, or blow their paycheck on sugar and flour. This is NOT to say there aren't eating disorders. But those differ from actual addiction where more than just therapy is needed.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
yes it is. There are packs that only have 6 cookies inside. If i have a cup a of milk, i can easily finish those 6 cookies in 5 minutes or less. So, if i have the calories ,and i have covered all my other needs for the day,and i feel like it, i may eat the whole pack. Just like i will eat a whole domino's pizza by myself. But other than that pizza i won't be eating anything else for the day. It's still a choice if i 'm willing to eat a whole pizza and nothing else, or half a pizza and a ''proper'' meal the rest of my day. I am not addicted to it. I can choose to eat or not eat it.
For referance, i eat a domino's pizza about once every 3 months, and i think the last time i ate a whole pack of cookies was about 8 months ago.
Right now I have about 6 packs of cookies in my pantry .They've been sitting there for close to 4 months. About once a month i open a pack and eat 4 cookies a day for 4 days. So to answer your question, yes it is moderating as far as i see it.16 -
wunderkindking wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
If you have the calories or make a conscious decision to eat a whole pack of cookies rather than being UNABLE to stop eating cookies? Might not be moderating that time but it's sure choosing NOT to moderate, vs not beign ABLE to moderate.
Heck, I ate a whole pint of ben and jerry's this weekend. Was it moderation? No. Does that mean I can't moderate? No. It means I was very active, had a lot of calories 'to spare' and made a choice. I'm a grown up. W e're allowed to do that.
I would argue this is still moderation. Moderation is not only about the amount, but the frequency and the calorie budget too. If you have enough calories to fit in a whole pack of cookies, it probably doesn't happen daily and you're probably making an informed choice to eat it within your calories vs losing control and going way over calories. That's still moderation (defined as the avoidance of excess) in my book. Those cookies are not "excess", they're right within the plan.12 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »wunderkindking wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
If you have the calories or make a conscious decision to eat a whole pack of cookies rather than being UNABLE to stop eating cookies? Might not be moderating that time but it's sure choosing NOT to moderate, vs not beign ABLE to moderate.
Heck, I ate a whole pint of ben and jerry's this weekend. Was it moderation? No. Does that mean I can't moderate? No. It means I was very active, had a lot of calories 'to spare' and made a choice. I'm a grown up. W e're allowed to do that.
I would argue this is still moderation. Moderation is not only about the amount, but the frequency and the calorie budget too. If you have enough calories to fit in a whole pack of cookies, it probably doesn't happen daily and you're probably making an informed choice to eat it within your calories vs losing control and going way over calories. That's still moderation (defined as the avoidance of excess) in my book. Those cookies are not "excess", they're right within the plan.
Honestly I agree with you and almost said as much but I could see the argument to that coming and I am just too tired for it today, LOL.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
In my thinking, anything that results in
* generally good nutrition over reasonably short average times,
* an average calorie intake that reaches/maintains a healthy weight and fuels a desirably active life,
* avoids personal allergens or food sensitivities,
* respects the needs that health markers or health indicate,
* co-exists with mentally healthy psychological stability around food and eating,
* doesn't tromp in socially inappropriate ways on others' food needs/preferences,
* recognizes that enjoyment of food, or social connection via food, can be legitimate dimensions of food choice in addition to fueling and nutrition . . .
. . . that's close enough to moderation, for me.
"Can't ever eat a sleeve of cookies that you desire, that fit in your calorie requirements, in a context of good nutrition"? That's orthorexia, maybe not to a severe or damaging level, but that's what it is IMO.
I don't eat sleeves of cookies. I'm sure I must've done, sometime in almost 66 years of life . . . but I can't recall an instance, in decades at least - assuming we're talking a sleeve in a regular multi-serving decent-sized grocery pack. (I've probably eaten a sleeve if those 2-3 cookie cello packlets count. Still can't recall when. I don't like cookies that much, honestly. Whole pizza? Last week.)
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This raises something interesting I have noticed.
The 'food police' come at me and question/doubt/argue with me about my food choices now more at 120 something pounds than they ever did flirting with 200 pounds. I know other people have spoken to vaguely judgy/snide things about the health food, but that's not my experience so much as people questioning me about eating like... a single piece of candy or a grilled cheese or something when we're out.
Our society has some messed up views about what constitutes health.14 -
I consider myself a food addict. When I was 110 pounds heavier, it ruled my life. I felt like a failure on a daily basis for not being able to moderate. Very exhausting -which led me to having weight loss surgery (gastric sleeve). Nothing is off limits, I just can't eat mass quantities of anything anymore. I've been maintaining for almost two years. That being said, transfer addictions are very real (at least for me). I no longer abuse food, but I certainly drink more, flirt more, spend more...If only I could make exercise my addiction!19
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Food addiction / obsession is very real IMO
How do people get so out of control with their weight - weighing over 600lbs etc ..without it?
Medicating whatever emotional disorder they have with food until they're bedbound.
If that isn't addiction I don't know what is!20 -
I think people that are so narrow minded to assume food addiction doesn't exist because they don't have it are the ones that need the hug 🙄25
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It's not an addiction. How do you get rid of alcohol, gambling and drugs out of addiction? By allowing it to be moderated? Of course not. You have to RID yourself of the habit completely to not fall to it again. So how does one rid themselves of food?Walkywalkerson wrote: »Food addiction / obsession is very real IMO
How do people get so out of control with their weight - weighing over 600lbs etc ..without it?
Medicating whatever emotional disorder they have with food until they're bedbound.
If that isn't addiction I don't know what is!
It's a DISORDER. Mostly a mental one. People who get morbidly obese aren't food addicted, it just happens to be easy for them instead of drugs. When people who get gastric bypass aren't treated with therapy, they can turn to alcohol, gambling or something else since they can't eat anymore without being sick. It's the mental behavioral disorder that causes it. Not a physical addiction to food.
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@ninerbuff
Call it what you will.
Disorder/ obsession / addiction.
People that are morbidly obese need to be weaned off of highly processed carbs/ sugar/ fatty/ salty foods.
Along with councilling for their 'disorder'
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I believe OP is actually in weight maintenance, gaining/losing the same 5 pounds, not morbidly obese, so very different scenario.Walkywalkerson wrote: »@ninerbuff
Call it what you will.
Disorder/ obsession / addiction.
People that are morbidly obese need to be weaned off of highly processed carbs/ sugar/ fatty/ salty foods.
Along with councilling for their 'disorder'
There was a long thread in Debate about whether food addiction is real. This isn't that thread.
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jennypapage wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
yes it is. There are packs that only have 6 cookies inside. If i have a cup a of milk, i can easily finish those 6 cookies in 5 minutes or less. So, if i have the calories ,and i have covered all my other needs for the day,and i feel like it, i may eat the whole pack. Just like i will eat a whole domino's pizza by myself. But other than that pizza i won't be eating anything else for the day. It's still a choice if i 'm willing to eat a whole pizza and nothing else, or half a pizza and a ''proper'' meal the rest of my day. I am not addicted to it. I can choose to eat or not eat it.
For referance, i eat a domino's pizza about once every 3 months, and i think the last time i ate a whole pack of cookies was about 8 months ago.
Right now I have about 6 packs of cookies in my pantry .They've been sitting there for close to 4 months. About once a month i open a pack and eat 4 cookies a day for 4 days. So to answer your question, yes it is moderating as far as i see it.
Maybe a snowflake or 2 out the but I have never been around a normal weight adult and I've seen eat or they claim to eat whole pizzas at a sitting.
Ever, not just as a "splurge". Seems like a train ticket to weight issues. Just my opinion, I'm sure others will have ones that differ.1 -
Actually all they need to do is eat less than they burn. I've trained many an obese person to help them lose 100lbs or more. I don't give them a diet plan but a plan on how to reduce their intake overall and how many calories they need to eat and stick to each day. It still just comes down to math.Walkywalkerson wrote: »@ninerbuff
Call it what you will.
Disorder/ obsession / addiction.
People that are morbidly obese need to be weaned off of highly processed carbs/ sugar/ fatty/ salty foods.
Along with councilling for their 'disorder'
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It's not an addiction. How do you get rid of alcohol, gambling and drugs out of addiction? By allowing it to be moderated? Of course not. You have to RID yourself of the habit completely to not fall to it again. So how does one rid themselves of food?Walkywalkerson wrote: »Food addiction / obsession is very real IMO
How do people get so out of control with their weight - weighing over 600lbs etc ..without it?
Medicating whatever emotional disorder they have with food until they're bedbound.
If that isn't addiction I don't know what is!
It's a DISORDER. Mostly a mental one. People who get morbidly obese aren't food addicted, it just happens to be easy for them instead of drugs. When people who get gastric bypass aren't treated with therapy, they can turn to alcohol, gambling or something else since they can't eat anymore without being sick. It's the mental behavioral disorder that causes it. Not a physical addiction to food.
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It seems like you are using the terms "addiction" and "addictive" interchangeably. I also think it's not a strong argument to say that you can't have an addiction to food just because one needs food to survive and therefore can't completely abstain from it to recover. Are certain foods inherently addictive to some who are gentically/environmentally predisposed to addiction? Meh, that could be argued, although it's been pretty well documented that certain foods are much easier to overeat than others and produce more of that dopamine than others...which is why almost no one would binge on carrots as opposed to cookies. Is it the food/food combinations itself or just the taste and people's memories surrounding it could be argued for sure. Can people have an addiction to food that is "mental?" Well yes, all types of addiction are considered a mental illness, and addiction to alcohol or drugs is a mixture of physical dependence and brain chemistry. This is why some people can drink in moderation and some can't. If it were just the alcohol itself, than anyone who ever drank it would become addicted. Same thing with painkillers....although there are some substances that are inherently more addictive than others. I think the current idea with addiction that it's the surge of dopamine that the user gets from using that they're looking to repeat (different than physical dependence), no matter the substance. It just so happens that some substances (e.g., illicit drugs) produce more powerful effects than other substances.11 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
yes it is. There are packs that only have 6 cookies inside. If i have a cup a of milk, i can easily finish those 6 cookies in 5 minutes or less. So, if i have the calories ,and i have covered all my other needs for the day,and i feel like it, i may eat the whole pack. Just like i will eat a whole domino's pizza by myself. But other than that pizza i won't be eating anything else for the day. It's still a choice if i 'm willing to eat a whole pizza and nothing else, or half a pizza and a ''proper'' meal the rest of my day. I am not addicted to it. I can choose to eat or not eat it.
For referance, i eat a domino's pizza about once every 3 months, and i think the last time i ate a whole pack of cookies was about 8 months ago.
Right now I have about 6 packs of cookies in my pantry .They've been sitting there for close to 4 months. About once a month i open a pack and eat 4 cookies a day for 4 days. So to answer your question, yes it is moderating as far as i see it.
Maybe a snowflake or 2 out the but I have never been around a normal weight adult and I've seen eat or they claim to eat whole pizzas at a sitting.
Ever, not just as a "splurge". Seems like a train ticket to weight issues. Just my opinion, I'm sure others will have ones that differ.
I won't say food addiction isn't real, but will say certain foods have addictive like properties. I mean, most people won't eat 3lbs of steamed, plain, broccoli in a sitting, but many will cram a pint of (insert favorite ice cream here) in a sitting. Certain food properties do illicit greater dopamine responses than others, thus increasing the likelihood of repeat intake. Does sound a bit like a drug. I've seen people "withdrawal" from eating chocolate daily, but it's nothing compared to someone drying out from benzo's. I think people just get a little butt hurt when people use the word "addiction". In the affluent part of the world, people who have addictions get looked down on a bit as weak. Jmho... tootles gang.10 -
I believe OP is actually in weight maintenance, gaining/losing the same 5 pounds, not morbidly obese, so very different scenario.Walkywalkerson wrote: »@ninerbuff
Call it what you will.
Disorder/ obsession / addiction.
People that are morbidly obese need to be weaned off of highly processed carbs/ sugar/ fatty/ salty foods.
Along with councilling for their 'disorder'
There was a long thread in Debate about whether food addiction is real. This isn't that thread.
Now that I'm a device that makes figuring it out easy: There have been lots of the bolded. If someone wants to debate the addiction question (vs. help OP), maybe go there.
The most recent is probably this one:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10822150/why-is-food-addiction-so-controversial
A few random other semi-similar past ones (the ones that ran longer):
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10388272/addiction-versus-dependence
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10226257/food-addiction-a-different-perspective
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10650107/fast-food-addiction-can-anyone-else-relate
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10371298/sugar-addiction-like-drug-abuse-study-reveals/p1
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10548746/sugar-addiction-myths
Have fun.
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Walkywalkerson wrote: »@ninerbuff
Call it what you will.
Disorder/ obsession / addiction.
People that are morbidly obese need to be weaned off of highly processed carbs/ sugar/ fatty/ salty foods.
Along with councilling for their 'disorder'
The words disorder, obsession, and addiction have different definitions.
And putting the word disorder in quotes here is problematic, at best. As is your assumption that a morbidly obese person is always eating a diet that is nearly totally composed of “highly processed carbs/ sugar/ fatty/ salty foods.”
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
Sometimes disability means nausea. Chronic, or occasional related to medication.
And gosh darn it, cookies have calories. And usually flour, nut butters, oats, milk, and other nutritious ingredients.
So yes. If I choose to eat an entire box of cookies? As long as I take my vitamins, and it’s within my calorie budget over a week’s time? Yes. Not only no worries, but it’s actually doctor recommended under some circumstances. Yes. Straight up heard that advice when my son was young and very ill for a year. Specifically cookies, although chocolate pudding or tapioca has a spot in my current diet also.
There are no bad foods. Period. As long as someone is getting the nutrients they need, and not going over their calorie budget over the long term? No judgment needed. Thanks.
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »jennypapage wrote: »There's no such thing as food addiction as far as i am concerned. I don't know anyone who can't stop eating broccoli or beans or any vegetable. We just like sweet things. Our ancestors liked sweet things. Sugar gives us and our brains energy. So we have evolved to eat sugary things .It used to be fruits, now it's cookies and pastries. That being said, i don't have a problem moderating myself. I may eat a whole pack of cookies, or i may eat just 1 cookie. Every day is different. It depends on how i've slept, what else i've eaten, where i am in my monthly cycle hormonally,etc.
I would not enjoy life if i had to completely cut off an entire group of products out of my life.
Eating a whole pack of cookies and that is moderating yourself?
Carry on.
Sometimes disability means nausea. Chronic, or occasional related to medication.
And gosh darn it, cookies have calories. And usually flour, nut butters, oats, milk, and other nutritious ingredients.
So yes. If I choose to eat an entire box of cookies? As long as I take my vitamins, and it’s within my calorie budget over a week’s time? Yes. Not only no worries, but it’s actually doctor recommended under some circumstances. Yes. Straight up heard that advice when my son was young and very ill for a year. Specifically cookies, although chocolate pudding or tapioca has a spot in my current diet also.
There are no bad foods. Period. As long as someone is getting the nutrients they need, and not going over their calorie budget over the long term? No judgment needed. Thanks.
I am pretty sure one can find several foods to help one cope with a disability or illness much better than a box of cookies.7 -
@brenn24179 Actually just came by this study today. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124721013097
Its interesting. It seems that in this analysis, the intake of a non restrictive HFD, led to an increase of body weight vs a non restrictive LFD. What was very interesting, is that the addition of sucralose and other non nutritive sweeteners, did not increase the energy intake of the rats on the LFD. It did seem to increase liking, but not overall calorie intake. Sorry to pee in the oats of those "artificial sweeteners make you fat people". Ok not sorry.
So, they think there is something inside the digestive tract that senses the amount of fat in a food, that increases intake as that percent goes up. While giving up refined sugar and grains, and replacement with fruits and whole grains, might help you lose weight, you might not need to go as far as to give up flour and sugar. Just make sure you are eating ultra low fat and salt things. Plain pasta, sodium free bread, sodium free crackers, ect. Though most people will not really find them too enjoyable in the long run. Maybe switch up added sugar with artificial sweeteners. 7
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