Cardio or Strength training?
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It might be because we all have different body composition - the lift heavy brigade probably react well to it because they have a goodly % of type II muscle fibres. Others may not get the same physiological response.
If it were info shared that would be great. But I have to agree the short, snappy post of 'lift heavy eat less' is usually not very helpful for an OP, especially if they are new and don't have a clue why they got such short shrift!
I didn't actually see anyone give that response. The reaction would have made a little more sense if someone had come in and said that and nothing more, but they didn't.
And I also see people saying to do HIIT with no further explanation, but no one got outraged about that.0 -
Seriously, why are you hating on those that promote heavy lifting..????!!!
Not hating, just pointing out that no matter what the subject matter being discussed on here, you'll eventually get someone stroll in and promote lifting heavy, usually along with eating less. "Lift heavy, eat less" seems to be their mantra for anything and everything.
They blunder into a topic and start spouting off whether the topic relates to their ideas or not or whether the topic creator was asking about lifting or not. It's like they're so blinkered and desperate to have everyone follow their way of thinking they forget that not everyone is the same, we all have different ways of doing things and different goals, not all of which can be simply achieved by "Lift heavy, eat less"
Remember, nothing to do with health and fitness seems to be an exact science. There's so many different approaches and ideas out there and all of them have those who believe them and those who think they're hogwash and there's no scientific proof either way.
Wait - you are ranting that people give their opinion based on the fact that fitness/health choices are opinion based?
Good job!
OP is considering "toning up" - how would you suggest is the most efficient way of doing that without some sort of resistance training?0 -
Oh! I was responding to the original post here that referred to such posts. I have seen a few of them scattered around the site and they are often unwarranted or unhelpful, in context.
And I have also responded to the 'Do HIIT' responses in a similar vein - any 'just do this' post deserves to be challenged.
I'm not against lifting heavy, when I get myself back on track I will probably get back to it myself. As you said before, find a way that works for you and do it!0 -
I see I got the desired reaction. The zealots are upset because someone had the audacity to challenge their one rule for everything philosophy.
As someone else pointed out, it may not pertain to this thread in particular, although the very second post doesn't say much more than that, but I've seen so many posts that offer nothing more than the "Lift heavy, eat less" philosophy"
Also, it's all fine and dandy giving your opinion as an opinion, not fact. Yet the zealots will be more than happy to copy and paste endless amounts of drivel that supposedly support their beliefs, obviously ignoring the equally huge amounts that disprove it.
Which is why I stated that none of this is scientific fact, yet some people will go on as if what they believe is, just look at the responses I've received for proof. It's as if I defiled a sacred religious object of theirs by daring to suggest there are alternatives to lifting heavy as the only way to go.0 -
As we sit here with bated breath waiting for your solution to the OP's question.....0
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A deficit got me here:
185 lbs, 16% BF (with cardio)
Heavy lifting got me here:
185 lbs, 12% BF (no cardio)
I have no clue what works for other people, but if I want to lose BF, I move heavy things around.
Tom0 -
I see I got the desired reaction. The zealots are upset because someone had the audacity to challenge their one rule for everything philosophy.
As someone else pointed out, it may not pertain to this thread in particular, although the very second post doesn't say much more than that, but I've seen so many posts that offer nothing more than the "Lift heavy, eat less" philosophy"
Also, it's all fine and dandy giving your opinion as an opinion, not fact. Yet the zealots will be more than happy to copy and paste endless amounts of drivel that supposedly support their beliefs, obviously ignoring the equally huge amounts that disprove it.
Which is why I stated that none of this is scientific fact, yet some people will go on as if what they believe is, just look at the responses I've received for proof. It's as if I defiled a sacred religious object of theirs by daring to suggest there are alternatives to lifting heavy as the only way to go.
I don't lift heavy. I have never told anyone else to, that I can remember.
However, I think you're arguing just for the sake of being argumentative. You still haven't presented a viable solution to the OP, while people who have been successful with body recomposition ARE presenting solutions. So... ??0 -
I lift and end each workout with 16 mins on the stationary bike
I'm only a few weeks in put I love it! 0 -
I see I got the desired reaction. The zealots are upset because someone had the audacity to challenge their one rule for everything philosophy.
As someone else pointed out, it may not pertain to this thread in particular, although the very second post doesn't say much more than that, but I've seen so many posts that offer nothing more than the "Lift heavy, eat less" philosophy"
Also, it's all fine and dandy giving your opinion as an opinion, not fact. Yet the zealots will be more than happy to copy and paste endless amounts of drivel that supposedly support their beliefs, obviously ignoring the equally huge amounts that disprove it.
Which is why I stated that none of this is scientific fact, yet some people will go on as if what they believe is, just look at the responses I've received for proof. It's as if I defiled a sacred religious object of theirs by daring to suggest there are alternatives to lifting heavy as the only way to go.
What would you suggest for the OP?
ETA: oh I see. You're here to pick a fight and you did, so . . well done I guess. I'm sure that's super-helpful to the OP.0 -
As we sit here with bated breath waiting for your solution to the OP's question.....
If you would do some cardio maybe your breath wouldn't be so bated.0 -
As we sit here with bated breath waiting for your solution to the OP's question.....
If you would do some cardio maybe your breath wouldn't be so bated.
If you think this is bad you should see me after I catch a bus0 -
As we sit here with bated breath waiting for your solution to the OP's question.....
If you would do some cardio maybe your breath wouldn't be so bated.
If you think this is bad you should see me after I catch a bus
You poor, out of shape man. I weep for you.0 -
A combination of both, make sure you don't reduce calories too much you body will hold onto calories if it goes into starvation mode0
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Do both0
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Lifting heavy is better for strength training; to build muscle quicker do hypertrophy exercises0
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Being argumentative?!!
If I look back at the posts from you lot on here it seems to me that you're every bit as argumentative. You seem unable to stop commenting on my posts. Do you have to have the last word? Are you so insecure that it makes you feel better arguing with someone who you have already identified as being argumentative, on the internet? Wouldn't that be the very definition of pointless?
I also did suggest something to the OP, to think of alternatives to lifting heavy as well. Lifting heavy may well work, but so do a myriad of other options.
Anyway, I believe the church of heavy lifting is about conduct mass, time for you to toddle off and go worship.0 -
OP, you have been given some great suggestions so far and the best part is that, no matter what you choose to do, if it still isn't working for you, you can always try something else. My recommendation is to firm up with heavy lifting, it has worked for me as well as many, many others (as you can tell by looking at the many threads on the topic and progress pics people have shared). I also recommend a program like stronglifts or starting strength. You can also continue to do some cardio of you like. Eat at a moderate deficit and you will most likely love your progress. If not, change it up and go back to more cardio instead, it is entirely up to you.0
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Lifting heavy is better for strength training; to build muscle quicker do hypertrophy exercises
Hypertrophy exercises? What on earth are they? ALL resistance training causes hypertrophy....0 -
A combination of both, make sure you don't reduce calories too much you body will hold onto calories if it goes into starvation mode
No, it won't.0 -
Being argumentative?!!
If I look back at the posts from you lot on here it seems to me that you're every bit as argumentative. You seem unable to stop commenting on my posts. Do you have to have the last word? Are you so insecure that it makes you feel better arguing with someone who you have already identified as being argumentative, on the internet? Wouldn't that be the very definition of pointless?
I also did suggest something to the OP, to think of alternatives to lifting heavy as well. Lifting heavy may well work, but so do a myriad of other options.
Anyway, I believe the church of heavy lifting is about conduct mass, time for you to toddle off and go worship.
so your suggestion to the OP was for her to think of alternatives to the actual suggestions that actual people actually offered?0 -
Anyway, my problem is that I'm not sure if I need to lose more weight or just tone up.
Please never use the word "tone" in this context ever again. You need to lose fat before you can "tone". "Toning" refers to that look which has a low body fat percentage and increased muscle mass. You can't "tone up" whilst having a significant layer of fat on your body.I still have a tiny bit of fat on my belly and hips that I would like to lose, but I have upped my cardio and lowered my calories for the last several months, and it still hasn't gone away.
You're either doing something wrong or you've hit a plateau.
Also, what does "tiny" mean in terms of your fat?So, I'm wondering if I need to focus more on strength and core training over cardio to tighten up my stomach and hips? Thanks!
Don't ask mfp this question. People on here are very into what they like to call "broscience" over on Bodybuilding.
You can do strength training and lose fat because increased muscle mass = increased metabolism.
In order to "tighten" your core you need to lose the fat and increase the muscle. Do strength training. Eat a clean diet. Don't rely on the mfp boards for info on this stuff.0 -
Being argumentative?!!
If I look back at the posts from you lot on here it seems to me that you're every bit as argumentative. You seem unable to stop commenting on my posts. Do you have to have the last word? Are you so insecure that it makes you feel better arguing with someone who you have already identified as being argumentative, on the internet? Wouldn't that be the very definition of pointless?
I also did suggest something to the OP, to think of alternatives to lifting heavy as well. Lifting heavy may well work, but so do a myriad of other options.
Anyway, I believe the church of heavy lifting is about conduct mass, time for you to toddle off and go worship.
You seem angry and very bitter toward heavy lifting. Did she break up with you? Was it a bad break up, or did she cheat on you? Or, perhaps you need to push around some iron to let go of some of that anger instead, you know, let off some steam? It's very therapeutic.0 -
Lifting heavy is better for strength training; to build muscle quicker do hypertrophy exercises
Hypertrophy exercises? What on earth are they? ALL resistance training causes hypertrophy....
splitting hairs. all exercises strengthen, but their results are based of of weight and reps.
Reps in the 1-5 range build super dense muscle and strength (called myofibrillar hypertrophy).
Reps in the 6-12 range build a somewhat equal amounts of muscular strength and muscular endurance.
Reps in the 12+ range build muscular endurance and size (this is called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).0 -
A deficit got me here:
185 lbs, 16% BF (with cardio)
Heavy lifting got me here:
185 lbs, 12% BF (no cardio)
I have no clue what works for other people, but if I want to lose BF, I move heavy things around.
Tom
Um.. Ya look pretty muscley in both to me :-)0 -
Please never use the word "tone" in this context ever again. You need to lose fat before you can "tone". "Toning" refers to that look which has a low body fat percentage and increased muscle mass. You can't "tone up" whilst having a significant layer of fat on your body.
No it means your muscles are in a constant state of partial contraction due to ennervation. It has nothing to do with body fat %, muscle mass or the look of a muscle. And you most certainly can have tone with any amount of fat, in fact you simply MUST have tone in all muscles unless they have sustained serious damage, it is essential, constant and totally out of your conscious control.0 -
Being argumentative?!!
If I look back at the posts from you lot on here it seems to me that you're every bit as argumentative. You seem unable to stop commenting on my posts. Do you have to have the last word? Are you so insecure that it makes you feel better arguing with someone who you have already identified as being argumentative, on the internet? Wouldn't that be the very definition of pointless?
I also did suggest something to the OP, to think of alternatives to lifting heavy as well. Lifting heavy may well work, but so do a myriad of other options.
Anyway, I believe the church of heavy lifting is about conduct mass, time for you to toddle off and go worship.
You seem angry and very bitter toward heavy lifting. Did she break up with you? Was it a bad break up, or did she cheat on you? Or, perhaps you need to push around some iron to let go of some of that anger instead, you know, let off some steam? It's very therapeutic.
Best way to get over a heavy barbell is to get under another.0 -
Lifting heavy is better for strength training; to build muscle quicker do hypertrophy exercises
Hypertrophy exercises? What on earth are they? ALL resistance training causes hypertrophy....
splitting hairs. all exercises strengthen, but their results are based of of weight and reps.
Reps in the 1-5 range build super dense muscle and strength (called myofibrillar hypertrophy).
Reps in the 6-12 range build a somewhat equal amounts of muscular strength and muscular endurance.
Reps in the 12+ range build muscular endurance and size (this is called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).
Yeah yeah. I know all of that - I am back in full on lecture mode, term time is starting! I am not splitting hairs just annoyed that my passion for something I gained an education on is so bastardised by the wannabe strength gurus that people here are gulled into using terminology incorrectly - usually thinking they have been well taught. It is a constant form of irritation and at this time of year I get antsy knowing I will be forced to eradicate from any number of brains in order for my students to achieve anything at all!
My apologies - I suspect I have been guilty of snarking quite a few times today. I shall have a glass of red and try to calm down 0 -
Lifting heavy is better for strength training; to build muscle quicker do hypertrophy exercises
Hypertrophy exercises? What on earth are they? ALL resistance training causes hypertrophy....
splitting hairs. all exercises strengthen, but their results are based of of weight and reps.
Reps in the 1-5 range build super dense muscle and strength (called myofibrillar hypertrophy).
Reps in the 6-12 range build a somewhat equal amounts of muscular strength and muscular endurance.
Reps in the 12+ range build muscular endurance and size (this is called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).
Yeah yeah. I know all of that - I am back in full on lecture mode, term time is starting! I am not splitting hairs just annoyed that my passion for something I gained an education on is so bastardised by the wannabe strength gurus that people here are gulled into using terminology incorrectly - usually thinking they have been well taught. It is a constant form of irritation and at this time of year I get antsy knowing I will be forced to eradicate from any number of brains in order for my students to achieve anything at all!
My apologies - I suspect I have been guilty of snarking quite a few times today. I shall have a glass of red and try to calm down
well, thank god you're here to educate us all!!!0 -
Just shoot me now! I started here with no intention of doing that!
Reading me back I wasindeed a bad teachery type.
But hey, if you can't accept I meant well, was not trying to snark but am having an attack of the back to work weirds, so be it!0 -
don't post angry. that goes for everybody.0
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