Calories are NOT equal
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I am at a healthy weight, healthy blood work and my diary would make a clean eater weep.
I really do not care what others eat, you should try that....it is liberating not to have the faith of the world on your shoulders0 -
It's because there are lots of actual healthy people out there that will tell you that one DOESN'T have to eat "processed" free to have good health. Even registered Dieticians (much better source of actual advice on food/beverage consumption than a nutritionist or doctor) will advise people that eating in a way that one can do for life with calorie control while getting in essential vitamins and minerals is a excellent plan to follow.Ok, I in NO way meant any harm or insult here. I only was trying to help. Proof? Ask any nutritionist or doctor, read any health book or magazine...pretty much anywhere you can learn that. It's not a bad thing or hurtful thing that I said, but I see it sure hit a lot of nerves and I don't understand that at all.
Health is more than just food. One can eat perfect, not exercise, not get enough sleep, have high stress, have bad genetics, live in a bad environment, and have bad self image and I doubt that 80% would matter. Why is there more illness and health issues...........the same predictor that's always been the number one risk factor........................weight.I never said not to have that treat every once in a while. I was trying to help, because YES when you give your body foods closest to nature, our system knows exactly what to do with it very easily. Food today is so unhealthy and that is why we, as people are getting so sick and new illnesses keep popping up. Look on ANY article and see what it says how to prevent these illness or how to just stay healthy....what you eat is #1. What you eat is about 80% of health.
While I see that your premise was to try to be more informing and inspiring, you came up a bit short. Trust when I tell you that at the beginning of my career as a trainer, I believed the philosophy of "clean eating" only. As I researched it through peer reviewed studies and papers, I came to find out how the body actually worked scientifically. I now no longer have clients diet. I let them know how their macros/micros should be divided and how many calories they should eat each day. That's it. How they arrive there is their journey.There is a saying in the health world, "bodies are made in the kitchen" which goes for healthy foods or unhealthy foods.
Again, never thought this would ruffle so many feathers, and for that, I am truly sorry.
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I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.
This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible. You body is not going to burn/use those crap calories the same way healthy foods will. When you eat healthy, your body burns it fast and uses pretty much every bit of that food, but when you eat processed, high sodium and fat foods, you will more then likely store some of that food into fat. Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better? Also, it's not just weight gain that's affected, it's your hair and skin health too.
When you eat healthy, you feel healthy
What do YOU think?
Citation? I'd love to see that study. Lol0 -
I am at a healthy weight, healthy blood work and my diary would make a clean eater weep.
I really do not care what others eat, you should try that....it is liberating not to have the faith of the world on your shoulders
I love you. You said that perfectly. :flowerforyou:0 -
I would argue that calories ARE equal...but the macronutrients they represent are not. One may be able to stay under their calorie target by eating "junk"...but they will probably pay for it in the long run if the macros are off.0
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I think you're presenting a false dichotomy. You don't have to choose between eating all whole foods or eating all junk food. My diet is a mixture of both. Today I am having apple crisp cheesecake (which I made from scratch, it's delicious), 2 servings of raw baby carrots, 2% cottage cheese, grilled chicken skewers, peas, black beans and rice, fresh peaches, greek yogurt, and ice cream. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
^^^^^this^^^ after torturing myself off and on since I was 13 years old I've finally figured out that BALANCE is the key!
now "pretty please with sugar on top" give me the recipe for the apple crisp cheesecake! baking is one of my hobbies and specialties!0 -
hello, new best friend.Enjoy your ivory tower, m'lady. I'm sure it's low in sodium and saturated fats.0 -
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I am at a healthy weight, healthy blood work and my diary would make a clean eater weep.
I really do not care what others eat, you should try that....it is liberating not to have the faith of the world on your shoulders
Pretty much this.. :drinker:0 -
What do I think? I think this has nothing to do with reality, and the appeal of "clean eating" is that it's an ego game so you can feel superior about yourself.I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.
This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible. You body is not going to burn/use those crap calories the same way healthy foods will. When you eat healthy, your body burns it fast and uses pretty much every bit of that food, but when you eat processed, high sodium and fat foods, you will more then likely store some of that food into fat. Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better? Also, it's not just weight gain that's affected, it's your hair and skin health too.
When you eat healthy, you feel healthy
What do YOU think?
If your 'clean' foods make a better body, please tell us, what exactly can you do with yours?0 -
Why did you think this was a good idea to post this?
Is this the first time you've seen the forums..0 -
This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible.
One step at a time.
For someone with a large number of pounds to lose, the most important step is to get into the habit of logging and eating at a deficit.
Details on "food quality" improvement are secondary, and can come later.0 -
Actually, being a hairdresser for 30 years, people who are dieting having crappy hair, the shining, lustrous hair is frequently on heavier and/or high fat eaters.0
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I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.
This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible. You body is not going to burn/use those crap calories the same way healthy foods will. When you eat healthy, your body burns it fast and uses pretty much every bit of that food, but when you eat processed, high sodium and fat foods, you will more then likely store some of that food into fat. Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better? Also, it's not just weight gain that's affected, it's your hair and skin health too.
When you eat healthy, you feel healthy
What do YOU think?
I'm guessing thats what everyone calls eating clean is basically no processed foods and fast food...All you can do is set a example and hope they catch onto it for there own sake...I mostly eat healthy but not always.I rarely eat fast food and I don't like soda at all.Personally I wish I could avoid all GMO's best I can do is have a garden,and I wish I could buy organic tastes and makes me feel so much better,but with 5 kids bread is a loaf or two a day and same with milk and try cooking eggs for them at least takes 12 eggs in one meal. Just need my own chickens and a cow next :laugh:0 -
I think you're presenting a false dichotomy. You don't have to choose between eating all whole foods or eating all junk food. My diet is a mixture of both. Today I am having apple crisp cheesecake (which I made from scratch, it's delicious), 2 servings of raw baby carrots, 2% cottage cheese, grilled chicken skewers, peas, black beans and rice, fresh peaches, greek yogurt, and ice cream. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
^^^^^this^^^ after torturing myself off and on since I was 13 years old I've finally figured out that BALANCE is the key!
now "pretty please with sugar on top" give me the recipe for the apple crisp cheesecake! baking is one of my hobbies and specialties!
It's in your inbox. :flowerforyou:0 -
I believe that clan eating is a great strategy for those who want to lose but don't count calories. It's really harder to overeat in veggies and low fat foods than with the standard american diet. However, if you are counting calories and you hit your macros and get ample micronutrients, then clean eating is completely unnecessary.
Eat what you want, control portions, and don't deprive yourself of your favorite foods. A diet you can easily adapt to your lifestyle will be easier to stick with in the long run. Doing IIFYM has helped me lose more weight than ever before, because I was able to stick with it.0 -
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I agree with you and eat very, very little of the bad stuff and even then only occasionally. But this is why I don't open my diary. I don't need anyone to peer into it and pass judgement on it.I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.0 -
From a weight loss standpoint, if you have the same deficit rather it is healthy or unhealthy food, the results will be the same. I do agree that you will feel better if you are putting healthy fuel into your body, but a calorie is a calorie.0
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@Ninerbuff,
Would you agree then that yes, macro and calories matter, but when one client eats unhealthy and the other healthy, both eating the same macros and calories, one will gain muscle and lose fat faster?? One will have more energy? One will have healthier skin and hair?0 -
I am at a healthy weight, healthy blood work and my diary would make a clean eater weep.
I really do not care what others eat, you should try that....it is liberating not to have the faith of the world on your shoulders
I love you. You said that perfectly. :flowerforyou:
My kind of minion. Come to the dark side, we have cookies0 -
I am a larger woman, I am considered obese by many terms. This is the first time in I don't know how long that I have been able to lose weight and keep it off over a long period. When I say long period I mean over 2 weeks, because that is when I usually give up. I think ANY doctor would want me to lose the weight in the way that I can and continue to do so without giving up. If I was to throw everything out and go to the foods that YOU want me to eat, I would of said screw that and given up. However since it is me and not anyone else, I will do what is good for me. I have been using MFP just a hare over a month and you can see I am making a difference in my weight.
I think that slow changes are better than no changes. Is it important to be more conscientious of what you eat, heck yea that is how you lose weight. Do you have to give up everything and start new to lose weight, no. In fact I hardly ever exercise, I lead a very sedentary lifestyle.
I am curious about one thing though, where do you get the time to go roaming around other peoples diaries? Where do you get off by telling people what is right for them? I am in my senior year in getting my Bachelor’s Degree and if you were to make that statement in a classroom setting you would be blasted since you have no way to support it. When I say support it I mean by an accredited source, which Wikis, blogs, and a diet site is not an accredited source. You want a source that can stand on its own.
The one thing that I have found is you can get on a higher perch than other people and proclaim how much better you are than everyone else, just so you can feel better about yourself, or you can give positive feedback that will help encourage people instead of tearing them down. I think that this is something that you truly need to think about working on. Maybe people wouldn’t have blasted you so horribly bad if you had given sources, and not been so snarky and nasty on your post.0 -
These threads pain me because I think they can be very confusing to newer people trying to figure out what to do. Yes - you can lose weight eating whatever the heck you want to as long as you have a deficit. It doesn't mean you will get all of the nutrients your body needs and functions best on. This is why there are plenty of obese people who are malnourished. They eat plenty of calories, but don't meet their nutritional needs.
I think why people get so upset is the all or nothing approach. You don't have to eat 100% clean with no treats and you shouldn't eat all junk with no nutrition. This is why the IIFYM works for me. I eat mostly healthy and nutritious foods and lots of veggies, but I can have a treat or an unhealthy meal now and then without feeling guilty.
To look at it one way - I am very small. MFP has me set at 1200 calories to lose 1/2 lb a week. If I was eating only processed food and sugary snacks, I would be starving. In that case, 1200 doesn't get me very far. By eating mostly whole foods, I eat A LOT of food and stay within my calories - even with treats.
For me, living this way - mostly whole healthy foods with a occasional fun meal or dessert - is very sustainable.0 -
I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.
This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible. You body is not going to burn/use those crap calories the same way healthy foods will. When you eat healthy, your body burns it fast and uses pretty much every bit of that food, but when you eat processed, high sodium and fat foods, you will more then likely store some of that food into fat. Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better? Also, it's not just weight gain that's affected, it's your hair and skin health too.
When you eat healthy, you feel healthy
What do YOU think?
I'm guessing thats what everyone calls eating clean is basically no processed foods and fast food...All you can do is set a example and hope they catch onto it for there own sake...I mostly eat healthy but not always.I rarely eat fast food and I don't like soda at all.Personally I wish I could avoid all GMO's best I can do is have a garden,and I wish I could buy organic tastes and makes me feel so much better,but with 5 kids bread is a loaf or two a day and same with milk and try cooking eggs for them at least takes 12 eggs in one meal. Just need my own chickens and a cow next :laugh:
i love GMO's.
i think they're great. higher crop yields mean lower cost and more food for more people.
i'm generally in favor of people not starving due to lack of food... call me old-fashioned.0 -
Fixed that for you.The one thing that I have found is you can get on a higher perch than other people and proclaim how much better you are than everyone else, just so you can feel better about yourself, or you can give positive feedback that will help encourage people, just so you can feel better about yourself.0 -
@ Yanika
I agree. I guess this a lesson learned here. I no longer care what others eat or don't eat here. Not my problem, nor my concern.0 -
These threads pain me because I think they can be very confusing to newer people trying to figure out what to do. Yes - you can lose weight eating whatever the heck you want to as long as you have a deficit. It doesn't mean you will get all of the nutrients your body needs and functions best on. This is why there are plenty of obese people who are malnourished. They eat plenty of calories, but don't meet their nutritional needs.
I think why people get so upset is the all or nothing approach. You don't have to eat 100% clean with no treats and you shouldn't eat all junk with no nutrition. This is why the IIFYM works for me. I eat mostly healthy and nutritious foods and lots of veggies, but I can have a treat or an unhealthy meal now and then without feeling guilty.
To look at it one way - I am very small. MFP has me set at 1200 calories to lose 1/2 lb a week. If I was eating only processed food and sugary snacks, I would be starving. In that case, 1200 doesn't get me very far. By eating mostly whole foods, I eat A LOT of food and stay within my calories - even with treats.
For me, living this way - mostly whole healthy foods with a occasional fun meal or dessert - is very sustainable.
YES! YES! YES!! That is my point and thank you!!0 -
Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better?
not factual.
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