I don't even know where I'm going wrong - please help : (
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You came here asking for free help, people offered it, generously, and all you're doing is being snarky, rude and belligerent in return.
I'm outta here...best of luck to ya...
Where am I being snarky and rude?
Everyone telling me I'm wasting their time because I don't log everything so am not worthy of help. So I apologised.0 -
You came here asking for free help, people offered it, generously, and all you're doing is being snarky, rude and belligerent in return.
I'm outta here...best of luck to ya...
Where am I being snarky and rude?
Everyone telling me I'm wasting their time because I don't log everything so am not worthy of help. So I apologised.
And yet here we all are giving you advice.
Take it or leave it. We've told you what you're doing wrong. It's up to you to fix it.0 -
I've tried twice to be helpful--you OBVIOUSLY don't want help...I'm outta here with the rest. Better things to do than try to help someone who doesn't want help....think I'll go watch the grass grow...0
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No thanks. Too many people who actually want help.
there's no need to be cruel.
I do want help.
Hey, maybe I didn't realise that noting every crumb was so integral to the whole thing. Clearly it is, and as I've said, i'll take it on board and try my best and come back.
Sorry to have wasted your time.
Who is being cruel?? You have THREE pages of people's attention, and the excuses keep coming.
Good Luck Yikes.0 -
IMO the first step is a commitment to diligent logging. It doesn't take more than a few minutes a day, it's not a meaningful time commitment - but it is a mental commitment.
Until that happens, everything else is just plain guesswork.
Yes. For this to work, you have to accurately and consistently track your calories. No guesstimating, etc. If you are truly at a deficit, you should be losing weight. Either you are overestimating your calorie burn, or you are underestimating your intake, or maybe a little bit of both.0 -
No thanks. Too many people who actually want help.
there's no need to be cruel.
I do want help.
Hey, maybe I didn't realise that noting every crumb was so integral to the whole thing. Clearly it is, and as I've said, i'll take it on board and try my best and come back.
Sorry to have wasted your time.
Then if you are serious and want help, start logging. You may not have to do it forever, but until you start weighing and logging everything you truly have no idea what you're eating. Everyone here is telling you pretty much the same thing and it's because we've been there. There were periods where I'm pretty sure I was eating 4000 + calories a day, and yet thinking I was getting half that. It's shocking the first few weeks when you realize how small basic servings really are, and it is awfully easy to forget the little "extras" when you don't log them.
Get serious. Do it for you. Pick a TDEE calculator, plug in what you think is right, try a 500 calorie a day deficit, and weigh and log everything. Then after a month or two see where you are. Do you need to adjust it up or down from there? Then ask for help, if you need it, armed with the information necessary for people to be able to intelligently give you advice.0 -
the link I provided in my previous post should help you find your TDEE...then you should eat 15%-20% below that to lose weight.
If that's not working, you need to see a doctor, because something is wrong...eating below TDEE should result in weight loss...if not, see a doctor.
Hey I've had the calc in a tab while I was trying to keep up with the posts.
This, like others using those activity factors leaves me stumped. There's no allowance for anything other than a desk job? What if you do many hours of light exercise a week? Or just a couple of strenuous exercise?
I really don't know what to pick.
And I'm not being snarky. I don't know which one.
I'm moving around, lightly, at work for 6+ hours a day, and do a little exercise at home (2-3 hours a week nothing strenuous).0 -
I agree..scrupulous logging is the most helpful tool. MAKE the time. I would also revisit your original statistics, though. Your calorie goal seems very high for someone who seems to be at most moderately active. My fitbit tells me at least that many steps a day, plus more often, but my calorie set is quite a bit lower than yours and I do do intentional exercise several times a week too. I think you should be at between 1500 and 1800 at the most. (I am grateful you're not trying to be one of those 1200 calorie and I'm stuffed people......)
Don't make excuses about logging....it really is the best tool to make this process work for you. A tool is only good if you use it, though.0 -
maybe I didn't realise that noting every crumb was so integral to the whole thing.
Your body digests every crumb, so why would you go on as though some foods you eat don't count? Everything you consume counts, and if you want to calculate a reasonable defecit, you need to count all the calories you eat. Ignorance of the calories doesn't make them vanish.
In the title you say you don't know where you are going wrong.
Three pages of people all said, well, consistent logging is KEY.
Now you're mad?! How is that a reasonable response to getting the correct answer for the question you asked?0 -
I measure and weigh about the same as you and have been many years in the process of trying to lose weight permanently. I went into My Goals under My Home and was brutally honest about what I wanted and what I needed. They set up a much lower calorie limit than you have, and only through exercising have I been able to lose what I have, still a long way to go. My work is more sedentary than yours but we do walk quite a bit. I have a video by Leslie Sansone called Walk at Home which has helped immensely--3 miles in 45 minutes which often makes up for when I have eaten too many calories. I hope you can get someone nearby as a support person, and wish you the best.0
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My logging was better a month or two back for sure, but I only gained then, too.
When? For all of July and August I see logging that is spotty and inconsistent at best. A few days on, a few days off.But I'm telling you, I've done MONTHS of logging before to the point where I closed my account because I was weighing every bloody thing obsessively. And nothing. Just up, up, up no matter what goal I tried.
What time period was this? I'd like to look at those logs. Perhaps they will reveal something useful.
Bottom line is you're full of excuses for why your total lack of consistent logging is not the problem. It is the problem.
I didn't say it was perfect, that it was better. Sometimes i don't have time to get on the computer. If that makes me a horrible person then so be it.
Maybe it is part of the problem, maybe its not. I don't know so I'm not making excuses either way. All I can say is that I had the same situation when i was logging diligently, and I came to enquire about TDEE more than anything.
Sorry to have wasted everyone's time
Frankly I see no evidence that you ever logged diligently for any length of time.0 -
No thanks. Too many people who actually want help.
there's no need to be cruel.
I do want help.
Hey, maybe I didn't realise that noting every crumb was so integral to the whole thing. Clearly it is, and as I've said, i'll take it on board and try my best and come back.
Sorry to have wasted your time.
Then if you are serious and want help, start logging. You may not have to do it forever, but until you start weighing and logging everything you truly have no idea what you're eating. Everyone here is telling you pretty much the same thing and it's because we've been there. There were periods where I'm pretty sure I was eating 4000 + calories a day, and yet thinking I was getting half that. It's shocking the first few weeks when you realize how small basic servings really are, and it is awfully easy to forget the little "extras" when you don't log them.
Get serious. Do it for you. Pick a TDEE calculator, plug in what you think is right, try a 500 calorie a day deficit, and weigh and log everything. Then after a month or two see where you are. Do you need to adjust it up or down from there? Then ask for help, if you need it, armed with the information necessary for people to be able to intelligently give you advice.
Thanks
And I've said I'll give it a gowith the logging before asking for more.
But we're back at picking a TDEE again and I really don't know where to start.0 -
I will try. I have so much weight to lose and I am quite old so it is very slow. When I was in my twenties I was able to consistently lose 1 POUND a day but that was by rigidly counting my calories.
I do not know what your recommended calorie intake is - but log into any programme and determine your BMI and you will find the real figure which I am estimating is around 1400 per day.
You have to have some firm rules - not high calorie rich foods - plenty of starchy foods like potatoes and rice - no gravies no oils no fry ups no sugary pastries nothing that will endanger your 1400 level. There is lots of choice out there - roast parsnips, jelly and blancmange, broad beans, lovely veg - fish loads of stuff. You just have to get on and log the food for yourself. This is not a joke it is serious. Do not miss a day but go back and retro it or syonara. And don't forget the fruit. Don't eat any more rubbish. And do not eat huge meals.
Give yourself a real chance on this. A new life is waiting for you. When I was 21 I had a bad marriage to get over and I was 17 stones in weight. I went down to 11 stone 7 lbs and never looked back I was too busy living it up. There were no computers then - just a little notebook - but I just refused to eat over and got used to it in the end
If you log all of your walking then (in minutes) you will start to lose - but it must be each and every day that you do this otherwise you are just making a nightmare for yourself. This will show you where you are going wrong - and right now you are because you are not serious enough about it.
Elsdon
Why dont you try it this way then let us know how you are getting on with it0 -
I've tried twice to be helpful--you OBVIOUSLY don't want help...I'm outta here with the rest. Better things to do than try to help someone who doesn't want help....think I'll go watch the grass grow...
I did reply to you, it just took me a while to work through all the messages
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No thanks. Too many people who actually want help.
there's no need to be cruel.
I do want help.
Hey, maybe I didn't realise that noting every crumb was so integral to the whole thing. Clearly it is, and as I've said, i'll take it on board and try my best and come back.
Sorry to have wasted your time.
Then if you are serious and want help, start logging. You may not have to do it forever, but until you start weighing and logging everything you truly have no idea what you're eating. Everyone here is telling you pretty much the same thing and it's because we've been there. There were periods where I'm pretty sure I was eating 4000 + calories a day, and yet thinking I was getting half that. It's shocking the first few weeks when you realize how small basic servings really are, and it is awfully easy to forget the little "extras" when you don't log them.
Get serious. Do it for you. Pick a TDEE calculator, plug in what you think is right, try a 500 calorie a day deficit, and weigh and log everything. Then after a month or two see where you are. Do you need to adjust it up or down from there? Then ask for help, if you need it, armed with the information necessary for people to be able to intelligently give you advice.
Thanks
And I've said I'll give it a gowith the logging before asking for more.
But we're back at picking a TDEE again and I really don't know where to start.
Skip MFP's NEAT method (which is a royal PIA, IMHO because then you have to throw exercise calories into the mix and make it more difficult), and try this one: http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
And for an excellent overview of this whole thing, read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets0 -
Frankly I see no evidence that you ever logged diligently for any length of time.
I've had other accounts, but they're closed now.
I guess that sound unbeleivable but I really did.0 -
Skip MFP's NEAT method (which is a royal PIA, IMHO because then you have to throw exercise calories into the mix and make it more difficult), and try this one: http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
And for an excellent overview of this whole thing, read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Yup someone else has given me that and I asked her to help but I took too long so she's gotten angry and gone...
So...
I get stuck when having to choose the activity factor... I don't do much "exercise" but nor do I have a desk job. I don't do 7-21 hours of strenuous exercise, but more than 1-3 hours of light movement0 -
Frankly I see no evidence that you ever logged diligently for any length of time.
I've had other accounts, but they're closed now.
I guess that sound unbeleivable but I really did.
Unfortunate. We could have perhaps given more info.
You use a Fitbit? Go to the dashboard (not the new beta) and click on Month. How many calories have you burned the last 30 days?0 -
Skip MFP's NEAT method (which is a royal PIA, IMHO because then you have to throw exercise calories into the mix and make it more difficult), and try this one: http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
And for an excellent overview of this whole thing, read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Yup someone else has given me that and I asked her to help but I took too long so she's gotten angry and gone...
So...
I get stuck when having to choose the activity factor... I don't do much "exercise" but nor do I have a desk job. I don't do 7-21 hours of strenuous exercise, but more than 1-3 hours of light movement
When selecting an activity level, I tend to be more conservative. You can always switch activity levels if it doesn't work out. Clearly, whatever you've got it set to now isn't working. Try bringing it down a notch and see if that works...0 -
This is the TDEE calculator I use >>http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/bmr/
Custom BMR Calculation
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Entered information: 30 year old female, 64 inches tall, weighing 190 pounds, BMI of 32.6 (Obese).
From the information that you entered, you'd like to weigh 190 lbs.
Harris-Benedict Formula
There are a few different methods to calculating yourbasal metabolic rate (BMR). One of the most popular, developed in the early 1900's is called the Harris-Benedict formula. Based on this formula, your current BMR is 1641 calories.
How Many Calories Should I Eat?
Based on your goal weight, the following chart was generated. The chart shows the number of calories that you should eat on a daily basis to reach your goal weight. At Fat 2 Fit Radio we advocate eating like the thin, healthy person that you want to become. The calorie levels you see in the chart are not extreme, but they do create that all important caloric deficit that is required to get you to your goal weight in a safe manner. Once you reach your goal weight, you will continue eating the same number of calories for the rest of your life to maintain that weight. You'll never be on a diet again.
Based on how much activity you do on an average day, the calories in the right column will be the number of calories that you will be able to eat at your goal weight. If you start eating those calories right now (eating like the thinner you), you will eventually become that thinner person. As you get closer to your goal weight, your weight loss will start to slow down. It is OK to eat a few hundred calories less per day (200-300) to speed up your weight loss at this point.
Activity Level Daily Calories
Sedentary (little or no exercise, desk job) 1969
Lightly Active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk) 2256
Moderately Active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk) 2544
Very Active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk) 2831
Extremely Active (hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or 2X day training, i.e marathon, contest etc.) 3118
NOTE: Please remember that this calculation is just a guideline. Your metabolism may be higher or lower based on the amount of lean muscle you have. Use these numbers a a starting point and tweak them up or down based on your weight loss or gain. It may take a couple weeks to get your exact calorie level.
SEDENTARY TDEE >>1969 - 20%(393) = 1575
LIGHTLY ACTIVE >> 2256 - 20%(451) = 1805
IMHO, you are sedentary, even though you claim to be lifting and carrying stuff (BTW, what? how heavy? Do you equate your activity to sport? or exercise?). But either way, at 2100 calories/day (if that is accurate) , you are eating too much to lose weight.0 -
Frankly I see no evidence that you ever logged diligently for any length of time.
I've had other accounts, but they're closed now.
I guess that sound unbeleivable but I really did.
Unfortunate. We could have perhaps given more info.
You use a Fitbit? Go to the dashboard (not the new beta) and click on Month. How many calories have you burned the last 30 days?
OK I've got 59003 for the month, a little over 1900 average
I have negative adjustments enabled so on those low days (usually the weekends because I'm not at work) I do eat less to compensate (just because I'm not logging it doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to it, promise!) So while I say my GOAL is 2100 when it adjusts me down, I note this.
My feeling on the fitbit (it's just the zip) is that it does underestimate for me, with all the standing and movement I do that isn't picked up by the device as "steps" it assumes I'm on my *kitten*.
I know it's not adding as many calories to my baseline by just standing as it would doing real exercise,but everything else I see indicated that doing what I do DOES burn more calories than just sitting.
So going by that I would have expected a small loss (2lb or so) in the month. Or at least to maintain! Instead I gain.0 -
1900 average means you need to eat less than that.
You have zero grounds to say it underestimates until you have some time of accurate logging to compare to.0 -
Skip MFP's NEAT method (which is a royal PIA, IMHO because then you have to throw exercise calories into the mix and make it more difficult), and try this one: http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
And for an excellent overview of this whole thing, read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
Yup someone else has given me that and I asked her to help but I took too long so she's gotten angry and gone...
So...
I get stuck when having to choose the activity factor... I don't do much "exercise" but nor do I have a desk job. I don't do 7-21 hours of strenuous exercise, but more than 1-3 hours of light movement
When selecting an activity level, I tend to be more conservative. You can always switch activity levels if it doesn't work out. Clearly, whatever you've got it set to now isn't working. Try bringing it down a notch and see if that works...
Yep. No reason to make it complicated. Pick something that makes sense, track, and compare the numbers to the actual results. Then adjust as necessary.0 -
Ok I know you might not want to hear this but you have to start being positive and just do it. If you want to lose that weight you will. I know its hard I am 5 feet 140pds this is the heaviest I have ever been and I hate it.
Lets start first in baby steps what r u doing wrong....Also go to the dr. and do blood work and check your thyroids, Lyme disease etc.... check for food allergies
1. BE POSTIVE!!!!
2. PORTION CONTROL
3. WATER
4. DONT EAT AFTER 6 OR 7PM
5. PLAN YOUR MEALS FOR THE WEEK
OK Baby steps are over!
1. JUST DO IT!!!!! FORCE YOURSELF
2. WORK OUT EVERY DAY TRY 30-60MINS
3. DO MFP AND TYPE IN WHAT YOUR EATING
4. LOWER YOUR CALORIES THERE TO HIGH
5. DO 1200 CAL BUT DON'T STARVE YOUR SELF MAKE SURE YOUR EATING PROTEIN
6. SWITCH AROUND MEALS DONT EAT THE SAME STUFF ALL THE TIME
You have to want this or you won't lose the weight
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If you're only doing 5000 steps a day, it's pretty much sedentary. So your TDEE estimations might be too high.
You are mistaken; 5000 steps are not sedentary.....not even close to it.0 -
Ok I know you might not want to hear this but you have to start being positive and just do it. If you want to lose that weight you will. I know its hard I am 5 feet 140pds this is the heaviest I have ever been and I hate it.
Lets start first in baby steps what r u doing wrong....Also go to the dr. and do blood work and check your thyroids, Lyme disease etc.... check for food allergies
1. BE POSTIVE!!!!
2. PORTION CONTROL
3. WATER
4. DONT EAT AFTER 6 OR 7PM not necessary
5. PLAN YOUR MEALS FOR THE WEEK not necessary
OK Baby steps are over!
1. JUST DO IT!!!!! FORCE YOURSELF
2. WORK OUT EVERY DAY TRY 30-60MINS
3. DO MFP AND TYPE IN WHAT YOUR EATING
4. LOWER YOUR CALORIES THERE TO HIGH
5. DO 1200 CAL BUT DON'T STARVE YOUR SELF MAKE SURE YOUR EATING PROTEIN
6. SWITCH AROUND MEALS DONT EAT THE SAME STUFF ALL THE TIME
You have to want this or you won't lose the weight
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Why do you struggle so much to consistently log food?0
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If you're consistently gaining weight on what you're eating now, then you don't have a deficit. It doesn't matter what all the TDEE estimators and gadgets in the world say, your body has the final word and it's clearly telling you that you're eating too much for your current level of activity. It sucks not to have your body align perfectly with the computer estimates, sure. But since you're gaining you'll have to create a deficit by lowering your caloric intake or raising your calorie expenditure.
Which brings me back to logging.
You can't lower your calories if you don't have starting point to lower them from. That's where logging comes in. If your estimated 2100 calories a day is making you gain, then first make sure you're really eating that amount and then lower it by 20 percent. I'd hate for you to lower your calories to 1680 if you're really eating 2500 and only need to drop it down to 2000. Make sense? 0 -
What I did to get myself to log (mostly on paper, not all that often on MFP) was to set up a calendar on my fridge. I set up two envelopes as well. One was the bank, one was my reward
Each day I wrote down what I ate, I gave myself a check in the box for the day. Just on a notecard on the fridge. And then I'd switch a dollar intro my reward envelope. Writing down what I ate was worth that dollar to go blow! Also with it on the fridge my husband would congratulate my on my tracking streak!
I made my goal only to write stuff down, because have some kind of record is better than anything. And once the habit is established, it is much easier to move on to writing down specific calories. You'll be curious... you'll want to see what it all adds up to. Being accurate is really helpful (and necessary for many people), but you can get trends without it. What I found by writing down every day was that my habit was to eat healthy when I felt like I had the time, but then go blow it all on desserts and Starbucks and McDonalds and pizza whenever I felt like I was rushed. So my goal became just to pack my lunch and eat breakfast every day, because that was 80% of the battle.
Start small. Bribe yourself. Once you set up the habit it gets easier. And understanding your behavior (AKA LOGGING) is the first part.0
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