unlimited veggies

xLoveLikeWinterx

I was meant to say the non starch ones i log corn on the cob and stuff like that.

I log them, but I'm Type A like that

Mokey41

Here is some BroScience for you::

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-vegetables-make-fat-4598.html


So again, to the OP.....
It would be extremely hard to go 500 calories over your daily needs in veggies (the ones I listed)
But if you did, it would be far more beneficial, than detrimental to your weight.

Veggies are typically high in fiber....so that cancels out equal amts of carbs.
They typically burn more calories to digest, then you get from ingesting them.

But by all means...ignore me if you wish....will not hurt my feelings.

Quoting a magazine article is not any kind of proof. Find a scientific study if you want to back up your claim. All food requires energy to digest and you don't cancel out either calories or carbs when you eat veggies.

I'd rather see someone eating a pile of veggies than a big dish of ice cream but they are not calorie free and for most people learning how to eat a healthy balanced diet it is important to log all of their food so they can see where they stand.

MityMax96

Here you go, I will look for more....

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/nutrition/pdf/rtp_practitioner_10_07.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19083413
More weight loss occurred with those ingesting Veggies, vs those ingesting Fruit


http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-causes/diet-and-weight/

http://www.nature.com/nutd/journal/v2/n10/full/nutd201222a.html
This study did a test between groups.
One group dropped 500 calories daily. The other just added in more fruit and veggies.
Obviously the group dropping calories lost weight....but the F & V group also lost weight.
I would love to have seen another group, that just did veggies only.

https://www.morethanmedication.com.au/eat-well/eat-vegetables-and-lose-weight/
Research cited::
Schroder KE. Effects of fruit consumption on body mass index and weight loss in a sample of overweight and obese dieters enrolled in a weight-loss intervention trial.
Nutrition 2009. Alinia S, Hels O, Tetens I. The potential association between fruit intake and body weight – a review.
Obesity Reviews 2009; 10(6): 639–647.
2 National Health & Medical Research Council. Dietary Guidelines for Australian Adults, Commonwealth of Australia: Canberra, 2003.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/526306-can-vegetables-make-you-fat/
sources cited::

Harvard School of Public Health; Ask the Expert: Controlling Your Weight; Walter Willett
Food and Drug Administration; Raw Vegetables Poster; 2009
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: Balance Food and Activity
All Recipes: Zucchini Sticks
Carolina First Saturday Market: Zucchini 500
Mayo Clinic; Energy Density and Weight Loss; 2011

MityMax96

Keep in mind, it would be about impossible for a person to over eat 500 calories, going solely with the veggies I listed, and how I said prepare them.

MzPix

I do not log most of my vegetable intake and when I do, it is a rough estimate, like the first similar thing in the database.
(I don't consider the starchy veg an actual vegetable, so I'm more likely to track things like corn, potatoes, peas, etc.)

Overall, I'm not a stickler for logging and counting. I use it as a tool to help me learn to make good choices regarding what I put in my mouth and to assist me in establishing good nutritional habits.

neanderthin

Keep in mind, it would be about impossible for a person to over eat 500 calories, going solely with the veggies I listed, and how I said prepare them.

You seemed to have missed the point. Of course veg is nutrient dense and some are calorie sparse like you mentioned but within a diet where other foods are consumed and intake is measured for a deficit then deciding that vegetables can be consumed and not taken into account is counterproductive especially considering most people that count calories are generally 20-50% light on their calculations.

Acg67

Keep in mind, it would be about impossible for a person to over eat 500 calories, going solely with the veggies I listed, and how I said prepare them.

Small minded to call it impossible

hookilau

I log them because I'm trying to hit certain macros and monitor others. If it were all about calories for me, I'd still count them. They can be such a small percentage of calories but sometimes, especially with fruit, it can be substantial. Not sure why someone would choose a weight loss method of counting calories but choose not to count veggies. :::shrug:::

I suppose we have WW to thank for that questionable wisdom...in the end....I'm on the side of 'if it works for you, have at it.' :drinker:

MityMax96

And for you, an article that supports your view and goes against mine::
http://sciencehastheanswer.blogspot.com/2012/05/negative-calorie-food-science-myths-and.html


I sent an email to Alan Aragon to see if he has done or knows of any studies regarding veggies and its affects on weight.

MityMax96

Keep in mind, it would be about impossible for a person to over eat 500 calories, going solely with the veggies I listed, and how I said prepare them.

Small minded to call it impossible

Ok....not impossible. But down right hard.
1 cup of broccoli is like 31 calories.....
So you would need to eat 16 cups of broccoli to hit 500 calories.

Give it a shot.

neanderthin

And for you, an article that supports your view and goes against mine::
http://sciencehastheanswer.blogspot.com/2012/05/negative-calorie-food-science-myths-and.html


I sent an email to Alan Aragon to see if he has done or knows of any studies regarding veggies and its affects on weight.

You do understand that it's calories that effect weight, right?

MityMax96

You seemed to have missed the point. Of course veg is nutrient dense and some are calorie sparse like you mentioned but within a diet where other foods are consumed and intake is measured for a deficit then deciding that vegetables can be consumed and not taken into account is counterproductive especially considering most people that count calories are generally 20-50% light on their calculations.

Then log them....
But my point is this....in order for veggies (the ones I listed and how I said prepare them, if not eaten raw) to have a negative affect on your weight loss, you would have to eat a GOD AWFUL AMOUNT.....
Far more than you could actually consume, if taken with your daily diet.

That is my point.

MityMax96

And for you, an article that supports your view and goes against mine::
http://sciencehastheanswer.blogspot.com/2012/05/negative-calorie-food-science-myths-and.html


I sent an email to Alan Aragon to see if he has done or knows of any studies regarding veggies and its affects on weight.

You do understand that it's calories that effect weight, right?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ok

Acg67

And for you, an article that supports your view and goes against mine::
http://sciencehastheanswer.blogspot.com/2012/05/negative-calorie-food-science-myths-and.html


I sent an email to Alan Aragon to see if he has done or knows of any studies regarding veggies and its affects on weight.

You do understand that it's calories that effect weight, right?

It's right in the study he copy pasted without reading

"However, in combination with our previous resultsin which the V&F group did not lose as much weight as the Reduction group, simply advising increased vegetable intake, even in the context of weight loss, without an emphasis on maintaining reduced calorie intake is likely to be less effective than a combined effort to increase vegetable intake while maintaining reduced caloric intake"

Sarah0866

I log them to keep tabs on eating patterns that work best for me...i.e whether I am less inclined to eat more of the calorie-dense stuff when I've eaten more veggies to fill me up

Alluminati

I log errrrythang

MityMax96

It's right in the study he copy pasted without reading

"However, in combination with our previous resultsin which the V&F group did not lose as much weight as the Reduction group, simply advising increased vegetable intake, even in the context of weight loss, without an emphasis on maintaining reduced calorie intake is likely to be less effective than a combined effort to increase vegetable intake while maintaining reduced caloric intake"

I read that and saw it....
But there was also the point they made that people who consumed V & F did also lose weight.

V&F group did not lose as much weight as the Reduction group

They still lost weight.

SLLRunner

I love fresh vegetables, but I could not imagine eating "unlimited" amounts, even 500 calories in a day. That would be way too much.

I log everything I ingest to stay accountable to myself.

RozayJones

they say "If you bite it you write it" everything from gum to a mint so yes I log veggies.

Pangea250

I log everything I eat.