Rid of belly fat!

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  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    WOW, while the initial posters asking the lady who made the blueberry "belly blasting claim" sounded as if they were truly asking her to back up her claim or at least not make a claim with no evidence in a dignified manner; the majority of you seem like you just like ripping apart people to make yourselves feel better. Even if her claim is wrong there are ways to do it in a rational and polite manner. Many of us on this came here because we have been dumped on for our weight related issues. We may not be here looking for friends, but an ally in our goals of maintaining a healthy life would be nice. I am ready to hear the response of "Oh here we go again another "butt hurt" individual who can't handle some taunting get over it" -- Because frankly I don't care for people who act in such asinine manners. However, there are people on this site who have low self-esteem issues as it is and don't need to be mocked just because they are trying to help. We have all made mistakes and sometimes say things which later turn out to be false. Hell, since I was a kid the "Food Groups" have changed, many studies on proper weight loss management and muscle building have changed. If I had quoted those studies to someone say 10 years ago, I am sure some of you superior people would look it up and try and shame me saying well you are wrong now.

    And just to stick up for the young lady, there was a study done by the University of Michigan on rats which actually support her claims. Now queue in the people who say "BUT IT WAS DONE ON RATS SO YOUR POINT MEANS NOTHING" --- Yes it was done on animals like most studies which are first done on animals many of which people on this forum to prove their varying points.


    University of Michigan study on blueberries and belly fat.
    http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20090419/blueberries-may-banish-belly-fat

    Thanks for the post! And simply because the study might be an older one, it does not somehow magically make it invalid.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    WOW, while the initial posters asking the lady who made the blueberry "belly blasting claim" sounded as if they were truly asking her to back up her claim or at least not make a claim with no evidence in a dignified manner; the majority of you seem like you just like ripping apart people to make yourselves feel better. Even if her claim is wrong there are ways to do it in a rational and polite manner. Many of us on this came here because we have been dumped on for our weight related issues. We may not be here looking for friends, but an ally in our goals of maintaining a healthy life would be nice. I am ready to hear the response of "Oh here we go again another "butt hurt" individual who can't handle some taunting get over it" -- Because frankly I don't care for people who act in such asinine manners. However, there are people on this site who have low self-esteem issues as it is and don't need to be mocked just because they are trying to help. We have all made mistakes and sometimes say things which later turn out to be false. Hell, since I was a kid the "Food Groups" have changed, many studies on proper weight loss management and muscle building have changed. If I had quoted those studies to someone say 10 years ago, I am sure some of you superior people would look it up and try and shame me saying well you are wrong now.

    And just to stick up for the young lady, there was a study done by the University of Michigan on rats which actually support her claims. Now queue in the people who say "BUT IT WAS DONE ON RATS SO YOUR POINT MEANS NOTHING" --- Yes it was done on animals like most studies which are first done on animals many of which people on this forum to prove their varying points.


    University of Michigan study on blueberries and belly fat.
    http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20090419/blueberries-may-banish-belly-fat

    Thanks for the post! And simply because the study might be an older one, it does not somehow magically make it invalid.

    Invalid, no, but is there something more recent and more extensive. This link doesn't lay out the control, length of study, etc... If this was discovered in '09, I'm guessing we'd be hearing about Blueberry extract by now.
  • kordell70
    kordell70 Posts: 49 Member
    Hi Rgv2: I saw your post and am trying to respond during lunch break. I am not sure what if any other studies there have been done concerning blueberries or if there is a product out there utilizing blueberries which are sold as a dietary aid. Prior to this thread I never heard of such a claim and have never made such a claim to this day. My several earlier responses were not really to support or put down the use of blueberries or their health benefits. I was merely trying to point out that several posters were unnecessarily antagonistic toward a young woman who made the claim that blueberries were "belly blasters." Many people seemed to have taken pleasure in putting this person down for her claims. My personal opinion is that whether someone makes a claim which someone else agrees with or not, that we could all act in a dignified manner when refuting or supporting such claims. Several posters acted as if she magically pull her statement out from thin air. However, in a 2 second Google search I found the one link discussing the University of Michigan study (Specific information on the study will have to be retrieve from the U of M database as again my goal was not to prove of refute the ladies claim so no additional search was done on my part). I am not sure if this is the information the young lady choose to hang her hat on, or if it was from another site. However, her advice whether one chooses to accept it or not was coming from a place of goodness and should not have been met with such hostility. I also, in an earlier post tried to remind people about acting superior and quoting their own research as the gospel. In my lifetime many so called health studies and claims which people have followed for decades are now being refuted. I would never go back to a person who 15 years ago gave me the best advice he could based on the information at the time and chastise him for being wrong now that new information has come to light. I would merely in a dignified manner show him the new data.

    Hope this helps.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Hi Rgv2: I saw your post and am trying to respond during lunch break. I am not sure what if any other studies there have been done concerning blueberries or if there is a product out there utilizing blueberries which are sold as a dietary aid. Prior to this thread I never heard of such a claim and have never made such a claim to this day. My several earlier responses were not really to support or put down the use of blueberries or their health benefits. I was merely trying to point out that several posters were unnecessarily antagonistic toward a young woman who made the claim that blueberries were "belly blasters." Many people seemed to have taken pleasure in putting this person down for her claims. My personal opinion is that whether someone makes a claim which someone else agrees with or not, that we could all act in a dignified manner when refuting or supporting such claims. Several posters acted as if she magically pull her statement out from thin air. However, in a 2 second Google search I found the one link discussing the University of Michigan study (Specific information on the study will have to be retrieve from the U of M database as again my goal was not to prove of refute the ladies claim so no additional search was done on my part). I am not sure if this is the information the young lady choose to hang her hat on, or if it was from another site. However, her advice whether one chooses to accept it or not was coming from a place of goodness and should not have been met with such hostility. I also, in an earlier post tried to remind people about acting superior and quoting their own research as the gospel. In my lifetime many so called health studies and claims which people have followed for decades are now being refuted. I would never go back to a person who 15 years ago gave me the best advice he could based on the information at the time and chastise him for being wrong now that new information has come to light. I would merely in a dignified manner show him the new data.

    Hope this helps.


    Interesting.

    However, personally, I don't like your tone.

    Please change it.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Hi Rgv2: I saw your post and am trying to respond during lunch break. I am not sure what if any other studies there have been done concerning blueberries or if there is a product out there utilizing blueberries which are sold as a dietary aid. Prior to this thread I never heard of such a claim and have never made such a claim to this day. My several earlier responses were not really to support or put down the use of blueberries or their health benefits. I was merely trying to point out that several posters were unnecessarily antagonistic toward a young woman who made the claim that blueberries were "belly blasters." Many people seemed to have taken pleasure in putting this person down for her claims. My personal opinion is that whether someone makes a claim which someone else agrees with or not, that we could all act in a dignified manner when refuting or supporting such claims. Several posters acted as if she magically pull her statement out from thin air. However, in a 2 second Google search I found the one link discussing the University of Michigan study (Specific information on the study will have to be retrieve from the U of M database as again my goal was not to prove of refute the ladies claim so no additional search was done on my part). I am not sure if this is the information the young lady choose to hang her hat on, or if it was from another site. However, her advice whether one chooses to accept it or not was coming from a place of goodness and should not have been met with such hostility. I also, in an earlier post tried to remind people about acting superior and quoting their own research as the gospel. In my lifetime many so called health studies and claims which people have followed for decades are now being refuted. I would never go back to a person who 15 years ago gave me the best advice he could based on the information at the time and chastise him for being wrong now that new information has come to light. I would merely in a dignified manner show him the new data.

    Hope this helps.

    Really?

    Asking for something to back a claim, wild as it may be, is antagonistic?
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member

    Invalid, no, but is there something more recent and more extensive. This link doesn't lay out the control, length of study, etc... If this was discovered in '09, I'm guessing we'd be hearing about Blueberry extract by now.

    All about blueberry extracts, rats, and more:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=blueberry+rats
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member

    Invalid, no, but is there something more recent and more extensive. This link doesn't lay out the control, length of study, etc... If this was discovered in '09, I'm guessing we'd be hearing about Blueberry extract by now.

    All about blueberry extracts, rats, and more:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=blueberry+rats

    Good read....Just flipping through with the search feature, I could only find one regarding fat, and it wasn't about "zapping" belly fat.

    But whateve's.
  • kordell70
    kordell70 Posts: 49 Member
    HI Rgv2. I wasn't mad at anyone asking for the lady to provide support for her claims. I think it is actually a good thing as it brings more information to the table. And several people did ask for support from the lady and I applaud them for that wholeheartedly. These message boards are chock full of information which sometimes the support is needed for context or for people like me so that I can truly understand the statement. My issue was only with those who choose to be mean about it. I have not to my knowledge come across a post from you in this thread which was antagonistic in nature so please take no offense to my comments. However, that being said, I have no issue with what I have written before about several other member and stand by my statements 100%. I merely saw several in a row and thought to comment. That is all. Now that I have made my point I think I will retire this thread from my memory.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    HI Rgv2. I wasn't mad at anyone asking for the lady to provide support for her claims. I think it is actually a good thing as it brings more information to the table. And several people did ask for support from the lady and I applaud them for that wholeheartedly. These message boards are chock full of information which sometimes the support is needed for context or for people like me so that I can truly understand the statement. My issue was only with those who choose to be mean about it. I have not to my knowledge come across a post from you so please take no offense to my comments. Nor have I looked at all of the comments in this thread. I merely saw several in a row and thought to comment. That is all. Now that I have made my point I think I will retire this thread from my memory.

    I still don't like your tone. It certainly isn't the tone *I* would use in the forums...


    ...(and since we're all here for the same reason)...

    ...please change it.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    HI Rgv2. I wasn't mad at anyone asking for the lady to provide support for her claims. I think it is actually a good thing as it brings more information to the table. And several people did ask for support from the lady and I applaud them for that wholeheartedly. These message boards are chock full of information which sometimes the support is needed for context or for people like me so that I can truly understand the statement. My issue was only with those who choose to be mean about it. I have not to my knowledge come across a post from you in this thread which was antagonistic in nature so please take no offense to my comments. I merely saw several in a row and thought to comment. That is all. Now that I have made my point I think I will retire this thread from my memory.

    I believe there was a difference between what you're seeing as antagonizing, and what may of us are picking up as sarcasm.
  • kordell70
    kordell70 Posts: 49 Member
    Yes I know. I am told over and over no one insults anyone on these boards, it is merely sarcasm. And yet sarcasm by definition is meant to insult one or to taunt. When I can get over how sarcasm is not meant to insult when by its definition it is meant to insult I will be a better man. And yes I know sarcasm can be used as humor and not meant to convey the full meaning of the word. However, when the sarcastic humor is purposefully meant to convey contempt toward a person or idea for whom one does not know then by definition it is an insult.


    Sarcasm: mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult
  • FattieBabs
    FattieBabs Posts: 542 Member
    I don't have much to add, other than my belly is the last to go as well! Just keep doing what works for you to lose weight and you will lose belly fat!

    Unfortunately, I have to agree.... I am seeing real progress in arm shape, legs etc doing weight training but still have a lot of belly fat and a lot of weight loss to go...Wheat makes me bloat but it is depressing when the belly fat is hard to shift. That said, I got into a pair of trousers today that have not fitted me for 2 years so something is going right.

    Good luck and keep at it. I can't wait to lose another 20 pounds and discover "what lies beneath" :-)
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Yes I know. I am told over and over no one insults anyone on these boards, it is merely sarcasm. And yet sarcasm by definition is meant to insult one or to taunt. When I can get over how sarcasm is not meant to insult when by its definition it is meant to insult I will be a better man. And yes I know sarcasm can be used as humor and not meant to convey the full meaning of the word. However, when the sarcastic humor is purposefully meant to convey contempt toward a person or idea for whom one does not know then by definition it is an insult.


    Sarcasm: mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult

    Okie doke...

    I'm not going to get bent out of shape about sarcasm/perceived sarcasm on an internet message board, even though the internet is serious business.

    If there is too much contempt, baiting, or an of the other above here, please avoid the following forums.

    Sports
    Politics
    Gaming
    Parenting
    Etc.
  • trogalicious
    trogalicious Posts: 4,584 Member
    Yes I know. I am told over and over no one insults anyone on these boards, it is merely sarcasm. And yet sarcasm by definition is meant to insult one or to taunt. When I can get over how sarcasm is not meant to insult when by its definition it is meant to insult I will be a better man. And yes I know sarcasm can be used as humor and not meant to convey the full meaning of the word. However, when the sarcastic humor is purposefully meant to convey contempt toward a person or idea for whom one does not know then by definition it is an insult.


    Sarcasm: mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult

    Kordell, your approach is noble. You're new here. You'll see the same bad information come up a hundred times per day. It isn't that we insult the folks that choose to perpetuate myths, it's the myths and bad information itself.

    No one bashes the person. The information, however, deserves as much bashing as it can get. We all have access to google and know what sarcasm is.
  • ♡MyCurves
    ♡MyCurves Posts: 103 Member
    So true...with the 1st poster...I see weight loss in my belly first. ..so everyone is different.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    Since other answers were taken, I'll give the obvious "fast track" answer. Just get lipo.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • geminijo04
    geminijo04 Posts: 31
    I don't have much to add, other than my belly is the last to go as well! Just keep doing what works for you to lose weight and you will lose belly fat!

    Unfortunately, I have to agree.... I am seeing real progress in arm shape, legs etc doing weight training but still have a lot of belly fat and a lot of weight loss to go...Wheat makes me bloat but it is depressing when the belly fat is hard to shift. That said, I got into a pair of trousers today that have not fitted me for 2 years so something is going right.

    Good luck and keep at it. I can't wait to lose another 20 pounds and discover "what lies beneath" :-)



    Great!! Thank you!!!
  • geminijo04
    geminijo04 Posts: 31
    Since other answers were taken, I'll give the obvious "fast track" answer. Just get lipo.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition


    HAHA thought about lipo......
  • choff99
    choff99 Posts: 7 Member
    When you say no sugar, do you count sugar from fruits?

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