Government shutdown
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Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!
American w/o a government is still way better.
I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P
i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?
Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"0 -
I'm always amazed at how many people can continually vote against their own self interests.0
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I work hard for the very little money I make that is then taxed to hell to support the people I serve in my profession. So it reallllllly makes me mad to see my hard-earned money going to help the 70% of people(that's my own opinionated, biased statistic that is not meant to be taken as completely accurate) who abuse the system.
But what REALLY ****** me off, is that Congress is still getting paid while they decide on something causing hundreds of thousands of other hard workers to not get paid.
Ohh but that's okay "I'll donate whatever earnings I get to charity." Great, so you can just claim that as a tax write-off at the end of the year? **** you congress! WHY are we putting up with this America?!?!?0 -
Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!
American w/o a government is still way better.
I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P
i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?
Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"
hopefully you are drinking a nice american micro brew and not that stuff you make up there. 0 -
Unfortunately those cheering the madness on fail to realize that now EITHER side can use that tactic, not just the people they agree with. Sound like a good thing now?
Dictator Obama and Dictator Harry Reid are finding out they are not really Dictators. Hmmmmm..... sound like a good thing? Yes.
WHOOSH0 -
I read a very entertaining article today about how the Australians dealt with the government shutdown they experienced.
God I love Reddit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/01/australia-had-a-government-shutdown-once-it-ended-with-the-queen-firing-everyone-in-parliament/
That was a good article
I thought so too.. :drinker:0 -
Why in the world would anyone think that the Congress and Senate could get anything done with health care if they can't even pass a budget. No budget since 2009... I'd sure like to run my life without a budget, just look around and say... "oh, I like that... I think I'll get it" and not worry about how to pay for it. When the bill comes I just do a little creative accounting and forward the bill to my neighbor. Sounds like a winning plan to me.0
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I work hard for the very little money I make that is then taxed to hell to support the people I serve in my profession. So it reallllllly makes me mad to see my hard-earned money going to help the 70% of people(that's my own opinionated, biased statistic that is not meant to be taken as completely accurate) who abuse the system.
But what REALLY ****** me off, is that Congress is still getting paid while they decide on something causing hundreds of thousands of other hard workers to not get paid.
Ohh but that's okay "I'll donate whatever earnings I get to charity." Great, so you can just claim that as a tax write-off at the end of the year? **** you congress! WHY are we putting up with this America?!?!?
lol @ made up statistics. How stupid0 -
Google's doodle for today says it's the 123rd anniversary of Yosemite National Park. Too bad all the national parks are closed because of this crap.
The real question is, did Google select that doodle today just to be cheeky?
I choose to believe they did.0 -
Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!
American w/o a government is still way better.
I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P
i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?
Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"
hopefully you are drinking a nice american micro brew and not that stuff you make up there.
Nope definitely not American. Anyone who knows their beers knows that Hacker-Pschorr(German Beer) is one of the best. I am a unbiased person who is open to anything. You should give it a try champ. It will open your mind to endless possibilities ;-)0 -
If the government shutdown meant no Grand Theft Auto 5 or Honey BooBoo until the issues were sorted out, our nation would be up in arms and a compromise would be worked out in no time.
Our morals are a reflection of our budgets. We should take care of the weakest when they need it. Our country is becoming corrupted and rotting from the inside. Get to know your neighbor. Tolerate you neighbor. Now make everyone possible your neighbor.0 -
Google's doodle for today says it's the 123rd anniversary of Yosemite National Park. Too bad all the national parks are closed because of this crap.
The real question is, did Google select that doodle today just to be cheeky?
I choose to believe they did.
I saw that too. Sad =/0 -
Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!
American w/o a government is still way better.
I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P
i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?
Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"
hopefully you are drinking a nice american micro brew and not that stuff you make up there.
Nope definitely not American. Anyone who knows their beers knows that Hacker-Pschorr(German Beer) is one of the best. I am a unbiased person who is open to anything. You should give it a try champ. It will open your mind to endless possibilities ;-)
of course European countries know how to make beer. i lean towards Belgium in that case. im just glad you arent drinking that canadian stuff.0 -
Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?
Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.
I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.
Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.0 -
I work hard for the very little money I make that is then taxed to hell to support the people I serve in my profession. So it reallllllly makes me mad to see my hard-earned money going to help the 70% of people(that's my own opinionated, biased statistic that is not meant to be taken as completely accurate) who abuse the system.
But what REALLY ****** me off, is that Congress is still getting paid while they decide on something causing hundreds of thousands of other hard workers to not get paid.
Ohh but that's okay "I'll donate whatever earnings I get to charity." Great, so you can just claim that as a tax write-off at the end of the year? **** you congress! WHY are we putting up with this America?!?!?
lol @ made up statistics. How stupid
It may be stupid, but of the 64 clients I have, I know of 6 that actually have jobs and aren't relying solely on the goverment to survive, which is why I also said that number is biased. And a rough guesstimation.0 -
Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?
Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.
I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.
Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.
It is definitely by state I can expect to pay $10K a year...not affordable. Remember this is also looking at the low tiered bronze plan with a $5000 deductible and a 40% share of cost.0 -
Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!
American w/o a government is still way better.
I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P
i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?
Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"
hopefully you are drinking a nice american micro brew and not that stuff you make up there.
Nope definitely not American. Anyone who knows their beers knows that Hacker-Pschorr(German Beer) is one of the best. I am a unbiased person who is open to anything. You should give it a try champ. It will open your mind to endless possibilities ;-)
of course European countries know how to make beer. i lean towards Belgium in that case. im just glad you arent drinking that canadian stuff.
So you do know your beers....Impressive! Your not that bad after all.0 -
Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?
Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.
I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.
Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.
I'm a bit confused which plan were you looking at that has no deductible and is not affected by income level? As far as I understood it there were 4 tiers to the program but each one progressively cost more?
From Covered California
Eligibility for premium assistance is based on a standard, called the federal poverty level, that looks at family income and the number of people in the family. The size of the premium assistance is based on a sliding scale, with those who make less money getting more financial assistance to reduce the cost of their insurance coverage. Individuals and families who make between 138 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level may be eligible for premium assistance. This means that an individual making up to $45,960 and a family of four earning up to $94,200 may be eligible for premium assistance.0 -
Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?
Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.
I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.
Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.
It is definitely by state I can expect to pay $10K a year...not affordable. Remember this is also looking at the low tiered bronze plan with a $5000 deductible and a 40% share of cost.
For one person? That's laughably bad. I'm seeing a platinum plan for 3, at ~800/month. Sorry to hear your options suck.
Edit: I didn't test income levels above $500k/year. Prices didn't change up to that, and I assume this isn't a particularly relevant issue for over $500k families.0 -
Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?
Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.
I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.
We currently pay $4,400/year for our health insurance (family of 4). Under the "affordable" care, we will pay $14,000 for similar coverage. I fail to see how this is a good thing. It will mean that we spend less in other areas, so I assume that will impact retail, restaurants, vacations, etc.
Many businesses will also downsize their staff to reduce their expense. Watch for all of the full time people to suddenly be reduced to 29 hours.0 -
What kills me are the people who want to blame both sides 'equally' for this shut down. It IS the law of the land, and only one 'side' has been against it.0
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Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?
Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.
I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.
Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.
It is definitely by state I can expect to pay $10K a year...not affordable. Remember this is also looking at the low tiered bronze plan with a $5000 deductible and a 40% share of cost.
For one person? That's laughably bad. I'm seeing a platinum plan for 3, at ~800/month. Sorry to hear your options suck.
Edit: I didn't test income levels above $500k/year. Prices didn't change up to that, and I assume this isn't a particularly relevant issue for over $500k families.
If I chose the Pt plan that would put my monthly premiums at $547! Although to add the high deductible plan isnt as high as I had once estimated, but it's still double what I pay now. Which has been the general expectation for CA.
Now I added a dependent because I'm 26 weeks pregnant the plan jumps to $482 a month for bronze and for curiosity sake Pt is now $830. That after the birth of my child. Yeah real affordable for a family...note sarcasm. Ag is $595!!!!
So I guess the numbers arent off but it still seems unaffordable to me.0 -
Unfortunately those cheering the madness on fail to realize that now EITHER side can use that tactic, not just the people they agree with. Sound like a good thing now?
This has already happened 17 other times in the last 30 years. Both sides have used this tactic before.0 -
no country can be deemed civilized without access to health care for all and so what if the path to that is not easy for some who have a job to return to and access to health care.
Biggest problem I see is if America is forced to default on foreign loans because no agreement is reached and the mere possibility of that has spooked me enough to sell out of falling stock prices with a view to picking up cheaper when agreement is hopefully reached0 -
1. This thread was a bad idea. Not the right forum and it will get shut down.
2. Your problem is with the wealthiest citizens and companies in our country...not the tiny little portion of poor people who take advantage of the system. Once you figure that out, you'll be golden.
I don't see many wealthy people sitting on their duffs with their hands out.
They're the job creators. They're the ones who pump money in to the economy. They're the ones who pay the most taxes (yes, they do)!
They're not saying gimme gimme gimme they're asking 'How can I. . . ."
Where did you hear that on "Faux News"
Nope.
From personal experience.
You must be a minion working for "the man" who has NO IDEA what it takes to run a business, how much one has to pay, the taxes, social security, unemployment tax even when you have NO EMPLOYEES.
You really think the wealthy aren't the job creators? The ones who spend the most money?
You must be watching CNN.0 -
I highly suggest the book, Behold the Pale Horse and for everyone to look into/research the UCC and their straw(wo)man. You know, for fun. That is all.0
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no country can be deemed civilized without access to health care for all
this is just wrong.0 -
|Why in the world would anyone think that the Congress and Senate could get anything done with health care if they can't even pass a budget. No budget since 2009... I'd sure like to run my life without a budget, just look around and say... "oh, I like that... I think I'll get it" and not worry about how to pay for it. When the bill comes I just do a little creative accounting and forward the bill to my neighbor. Sounds like a winning plan to me.
More like forward the bill to your kids and grandkids.
I am one of those people without health insurance. I haven't had it since 2003 when I left the corporate world. I'm self-employed now and insurance is damned expensive. Over 10 years that's about a seventy thousand dollars that I haven't paid into the health care system, but I haven't taken any out either. I pay for things like birth control out of my own pocket and haven't been to a "real" doctor in...gosh, at least 15 years. My dad worked in insurance his whole life and told me "But we need people like you, who just pay and pay and never make claims, to make up for the ones whose claims exceed their premiums". Yes, even the "rich" folks who complain about paying $10k a year for insurance spend other people's premiums when they get sick or injured. It bugs me no end when anyone who regularly gets medical care thinks their premiums are somehow only supporting the deadbeats, when they themselves also benefit from the pooling of everyone else's money.
At any rate, I've tried to get into the health care exchange website for my state today but it's telling me that they don't have a plan for me and I need to call. I assume they're having technical difficulties. Truthfully if they don't have anything for me that I consider affordable (say, under $500 a month as an individual), I'll probably continue without it and just pay the fine which will be something like $650 dollars next year and 2.5% of my income the year after that.0 -
I posted this in my updates, but I thought I'd put it here, since I think it's relevant:
A lady that works here part time for little more than minimum wage signed up for her and her 2 kids for $19/month on the ACA market site this morning. She didn't even know it had gone live today, was ecstatic when I told her and she got on the site and registered. I dunno how this all plays out over time, but seeing stuff like that makes me smile.
8 years ago I was working for AT&T Broadband and we had a big health insurance meeting. I watched a father break into tears in an auditorium full of employees trying to determine if his son who was suffering from MD would be covered by his company insurance and being told no. It's a scene that's picture perfect in my head today, and I always think about what if that was my son or daughter, what would I do?
I feel like ACA probably has some issues, just like any new legislation, social security and medicare weren't perfected in a day, but I think the good for people like the lady in my office far outweighs the bad. Shutting down the government for it seems extreme and selfish, and I hope this ends soon for the people who work for and are affected financially by the furloughs and lack of support they need.
Well said. Thank you.0 -
What kills me are the people who want to blame both sides 'equally' for this shut down. It IS the law of the land, and only one 'side' has been against it.
What kills me is people actually think there are two sides lol
There is only one side and they are all working for the same goal!
I'd like to think one day people will take their blinders off but sadly it's much easier to handle it all if they don't0
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