1200 Calorie Diet???? Seriously???
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LiminalAscendance wrote: »...Show me an example where some non-ridiculous (e.g. a gallon in few minutes) amount of water was actually harmful to an individual...
Never heard of hyponatremia, huh?3 -
stunningalmond wrote: »Does coffee count as water?
My urologist says all fluids except soda count towards my fluid intake, including wine. I'm not going to argue.2 -
I am 127 lbs. Previously, I was losing very slowly on 1500 calories a day but now I have been maintaining at that level despite being fairly active. I think I will have to lower my calories to begin losing again.1
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debrakgoogins wrote: »stunningalmond wrote: »Does coffee count as water?
My urologist says all fluids except soda count towards my fluid intake, including wine. I'm not going to argue.
why leave out soda when its like 95% water....9 -
1200 calories a day seems to have worked out just fine for me- I've lost 125 pounds and no, i'm not "starving". I'm eating healthy, exercising every day, drinking plenty of water, getting plenty of sleep, etc. Maybe you need more calories in than I do for whatever reason- that's fine, you do you. If I eat more than 1250 calories a day, I feel sick and gain weight. Different strokes for different folks.14
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deannalfisher wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »stunningalmond wrote: »Does coffee count as water?
My urologist says all fluids except soda count towards my fluid intake, including wine. I'm not going to argue.
why leave out soda when its like 95% water....
But count wine, when alcohol is a diuretic? I'm thinking someone just disapproves of soda.11 -
Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories?
This always gets me on this forum. It's like 1200 is the magical line that somehow applies to all women. Why is it clear that a guy, who is bigger and heavier, should be eating more but a woman, whether she's 350lbs or 150lbs, has a cut off of 1200? How does that make sense? According to this logic a 150lbs guy needs to eat a minimum of 1500 but a 350lbs woman can eat a minimum of 1200o with no ill effects?
And just to state the obvious I'm not saying someone should or should not eat 1200 calories, just that it can't be a hard cut off for any weight just based on gender.
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A lot of people here have told me I am starving myself by eating less than 1200 a day. For the first week or so I felt pretty awful but then I began to feel normal while losing drastic amounts of weight. I have gone from 90-78.5kg in under a month, but just saying, nowhere near all of that weight was solely fat. Losing weight this fast apparently eats away at your muscle (including heart) too, so I wouldn’t reccomend it for the long term19
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I eat 1200 calories a day. YES I log EVERYTHING, yes I use a food scale religiously, yes I make sure condiments and toppings are measured and counted. I still only lose about 2-3 pounds a month at most. I do light weight lifting 5 nights a week, I drink enough water, I eat lots of fruit and veggies.
For some people 1200 is enough.
Now granted I have lost about 80 pounds and have 45 left to go so I expect things to slow down, but the only weight loss I have had that is anywhere near how much MFP says I would lose was the first month....the rest has all been about 2.5 lbs a month.
Is it for everyone? No, especially not really active people, and not for men. But for me 1200 is about right8 -
Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories?
This always gets me on this forum. It's like 1200 is the magical line that somehow applies to all women. Why is it clear that a guy, who is bigger and heavier, should be eating more but a woman, whether she's 350lbs or 150lbs, has a cut off of 1200? How does that make sense? According to this logic a 150lbs guy needs to eat a minimum of 1500 but a 350lbs woman can eat a minimum of 1200o with no ill effects?
And just to state the obvious I'm not saying someone should or should not eat 1200 calories, just that it can't be a hard cut off for any weight just based on gender.
Nobody is saying (or advocating) that a 350 lb. woman is automatically OK to eat 1200 calories, that would be inadvisable unless under a Dr.'s care. You've got this backwards - posters are saying that most women don't need to eat 1200 calories to lose, and should be eating more to retain muscle mass and get adequate nutrition.4 -
The foundation of weight loss is all about calories in versus calories out. You have to eat less calories than your body burns.
While I do vouch for a well balanced meal plan and believe you can eat anything in moderation, you can technically eat what, when, how you like. As long as the calories in are less than the calories out.3 -
etherealanwar wrote: »I understand that 1200 is the minimum amount for a woman but I feel as though too many people are hating against it as if it were unhealthy when it isn't. I lose 1 lb a week on 1200 calories and if I were to increase it the process would be too slow for me. I have been doing this for many months now and I feel just fine. I do also acknowledge that not all women can feel satiated on this amount of calories and that's alright because you can lose on more calories.
Don't see the need to make it seem like it is such an unhealthy way to approach weight loss. On reddit there is a subreddit 1200isplenty and many women on there are progressing just fine with this strategy.
While 1200 cals may not be “unhealthy” for everyone, there are some other positive reasons to consider a higher calorie target and slower rate of loss, particularly as you get closer to goal.
Periodic refeeds and diet breaks can help with hormonal impact on weight as well as provide an opportunity to practice eating at maintenance.
Speaking of maintenance, eating at a steep calorie deficit for a prolonged period of time can make that transition to maintenance challenging - easing off the deficit as you get closer to goal can minimize the glycogen rebound and help people manage the challenge of all the extra cals they have to consume.
Rapid weight loss can result in loss of lean muscle and can contribute to yo yo dieting.
Eating at a modest deficit and increasing activity level can actually result in a higher than normal NEAT and TDEE when moving into maintenance.
For what it’s worth I’m 5’2 and currently maintaining my loss at a weight of 118 with a TDEE of about 2100, higher than many petite women would expect, and I lost the weight eating 1600-1900 calories. I believe the higher than expected TDEE is due in part to my conservative approach to weight loss, which benefits me now as I’m finding maintenance pretty easy.10 -
This post is a bit patronising. I am short with a petite frame and am for the most part inactive. I lost most of my weight eating around 1200 calories. It took me over a year and a half to lose 57 lbs. That's hardly fast weight loss! I'm currently on 1250 calories, losing weight VERY slowly. It's taken me over a month to lose 2.4 lbs. If I was eating more, I would not lose any weight, but likely gain it.
Just because something works for you, that doesn't mean it will work for the rest of us. It doesn't mean your way is the only right way and the rest of us are doing things wrong.14 -
I agree Sam! I may have lost around 80 lbs, but it's taken me several years to do that at 1235 calories ( I just reduced it from 1235 to 1200 after 2 years. I started at 1300).
What is right for me may not be right for you...and I am doing all of this under my doctors care. Just keep doing your best and strive for health and ignore the noise around you.That's what I do! Now....if I could just ignore sugary treats!9 -
Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories?
This always gets me on this forum. It's like 1200 is the magical line that somehow applies to all women. Why is it clear that a guy, who is bigger and heavier, should be eating more but a woman, whether she's 350lbs or 150lbs, has a cut off of 1200? How does that make sense? According to this logic a 150lbs guy needs to eat a minimum of 1500 but a 350lbs woman can eat a minimum of 1200o with no ill effects?
And just to state the obvious I'm not saying someone should or should not eat 1200 calories, just that it can't be a hard cut off for any weight just based on gender.
Nobody is saying (or advocating) that a 350 lb. woman is automatically OK to eat 1200 calories, that would be inadvisable unless under a Dr.'s care. You've got this backwards - posters are saying that most women don't need to eat 1200 calories to lose, and should be eating more to retain muscle mass and get adequate nutrition.
I get that, but you can't tell me you've never seen people tell someone else that the minimum requirement for a woman is 1200 calories?! It comes up every day as if it's a hard and fast rule. That's all I'm saying. Not even specific to this thread, but to this forum.1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »stunningalmond wrote: »Does coffee count as water?
My urologist says all fluids except soda count towards my fluid intake, including wine. I'm not going to argue.
why leave out soda when its like 95% water....
Maybe the sugar and caffeine? Hazarding a guess.7 -
Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories?
This always gets me on this forum. It's like 1200 is the magical line that somehow applies to all women. Why is it clear that a guy, who is bigger and heavier, should be eating more but a woman, whether she's 350lbs or 150lbs, has a cut off of 1200? How does that make sense? According to this logic a 150lbs guy needs to eat a minimum of 1500 but a 350lbs woman can eat a minimum of 1200o with no ill effects?
And just to state the obvious I'm not saying someone should or should not eat 1200 calories, just that it can't be a hard cut off for any weight just based on gender.
Nobody is saying (or advocating) that a 350 lb. woman is automatically OK to eat 1200 calories, that would be inadvisable unless under a Dr.'s care. You've got this backwards - posters are saying that most women don't need to eat 1200 calories to lose, and should be eating more to retain muscle mass and get adequate nutrition.
I get that, but you can't tell me you've never seen people tell someone else that the minimum requirement for a woman is 1200 calories?! It comes up every day as if it's a hard and fast rule. That's all I'm saying. Not even specific to this thread, but to this forum.
I'm confused.5 -
This post is a bit patronising. I am short with a petite frame and am for the most part inactive. I lost most of my weight eating around 1200 calories. It took me over a year and a half to lose 57 lbs. That's hardly fast weight loss! I'm currently on 1250 calories, losing weight VERY slowly. It's taken me over a month to lose 2.4 lbs. If I was eating more, I would not lose any weight, but likely gain it.
Just because something works for you, that doesn't mean it will work for the rest of us. It doesn't mean your way is the only right way and the rest of us are doing things wrong.
we arent talking about petite women as women who are very short,elderly.sedentary or A combo of the 3 many DO need less calories. but the whole point was the poster who is MALE needs more calories just to get enough nutrients to fuel his body. its 1500 for a male who is very short,sedentary,elderly or a combo.1200 is way too little for a male unless he is an outlier or under the direct care of a dr,same with MANY women. many very short women here also eat and maintain on more than 1200 calories. The more active a person is the more calories they need to be taking in to fuel their bodies.1200 might be fine for some people but its not for everyone.
I was only 70 lbs overweight and I was eating more than 2000 calories and still losing weight being sedentary(at 5'6 1/2). so if someone who is more than 100 lbs overweight surely they can eat more than 1200 and still lose weight as their intake to maintain their weight is probably more than 2500 calories.(depending on height,weight,age and activity level).
There is also those who think they are eating 1200 calories and in reality are eating way more calories.Those are the ones who post later on in the forums that they are maintaining their weight on low calories and cant lose and cant figure out why. they had blood work done and everything comes back normal. when they start using a food scale and weighing everything their eyes are opened as to how much they were really eating and they start losing again. of course those scenarios arent going to apply to everyone either,but most of the time its the case
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Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories?
This always gets me on this forum. It's like 1200 is the magical line that somehow applies to all women. Why is it clear that a guy, who is bigger and heavier, should be eating more but a woman, whether she's 350lbs or 150lbs, has a cut off of 1200? How does that make sense? According to this logic a 150lbs guy needs to eat a minimum of 1500 but a 350lbs woman can eat a minimum of 1200o with no ill effects?
And just to state the obvious I'm not saying someone should or should not eat 1200 calories, just that it can't be a hard cut off for any weight just based on gender.
I'm confused. Are you saying it's wrong to tell a healthy adult man that 1200 cals is too low? Or are you saying it's wrong to say that 1200 cals is too low for most women?5 -
I'm reading @me0231's question as-
Why do men get a higher minimum, 1500, than women, 1200, even if they weigh equal or less than a woman at the same height.
The answer, as far as I know, is that men have a higher BMR, in general, due to a larger muscle mass. Bone density and testosterone probably come into play somewhere too.
Cheers, h.7 -
This post is a bit patronising. I am short with a petite frame and am for the most part inactive. I lost most of my weight eating around 1200 calories. It took me over a year and a half to lose 57 lbs. That's hardly fast weight loss! I'm currently on 1250 calories, losing weight VERY slowly. It's taken me over a month to lose 2.4 lbs. If I was eating more, I would not lose any weight, but likely gain it.
Just because something works for you, that doesn't mean it will work for the rest of us. It doesn't mean your way is the only right way and the rest of us are doing things wrong.
I dont understand what you find patronising - you are short and petite and presumably female - yes you may well be one of the small group for whom 1200 is appropriate - and i dont think anyone has said there are no such people
but 2 posters who appear to be young men (if their avatar is them) are not in that group of people..
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Incidentally now that exercise has been mentioned in the last page of posts - it is relevant to note that even this 1200 when it is appropriate, is 1200 NET - ie those people should still be eating more by the time they eat back at least some of the excercise calories - unless they are not doing any excercise at all.5
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New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »stunningalmond wrote: »Does coffee count as water?
My urologist says all fluids except soda count towards my fluid intake, including wine. I'm not going to argue.
why leave out soda when its like 95% water....
Maybe the sugar and caffeine? Hazarding a guess.
Like the sugar that is in wine? (Since it’s made out of fermented grapes)....4 -
etherealanwar wrote: »I understand that 1200 is the minimum amount for a woman but I feel as though too many people are hating against it as if it were unhealthy when it isn't. I lose 1 lb a week on 1200 calories and if I were to increase it the process would be too slow for me. I have been doing this for many months now and I feel just fine. I do also acknowledge that not all women can feel satiated on this amount of calories and that's alright because you can lose on more calories.
Don't see the need to make it seem like it is such an unhealthy way to approach weight loss. On reddit there is a subreddit 1200isplenty and many women on there are progressing just fine with this strategy.
Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories? Can you point out where in the 2018 portion of this thread people are saying that 1200 calories is unhealthy for everyone (as opposed to the man I see all the "unhealthy" comments being directed to)?
Do you know for sure that all the women on that reddit are using a food scale for all solids and logging everything accurately and completely? Or are they using the common estimations many people use and end up under-stating their calories?
Oh I never meant it works for a man, that would be unhealthy i mean those referring to other women in this thread saying its too low when it isnt. As long as the woman is not doing harm to herself with the rate she's chosen people should let them be. Of course I don't know if all of them are using scales but I'm sure not ALL of them dont.
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deannalfisher wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »stunningalmond wrote: »Does coffee count as water?
My urologist says all fluids except soda count towards my fluid intake, including wine. I'm not going to argue.
why leave out soda when its like 95% water....
For me I guess it's because of my kidney disease and prediabetic status. I never really asked. I don't drink soda anyway so it truly doesn't matter to me. For the average person, I would say drink away.2 -
But it is too low for most women too etherealanwar - not all, and people generally have clarified this, saying older smaller less active women could well be at the right level on 1200 .
But not suitable for all women - so, No, we shouldn't just let them be if they post about inappropriate calorie targets.8 -
etherealanwar wrote: »etherealanwar wrote: »I understand that 1200 is the minimum amount for a woman but I feel as though too many people are hating against it as if it were unhealthy when it isn't. I lose 1 lb a week on 1200 calories and if I were to increase it the process would be too slow for me. I have been doing this for many months now and I feel just fine. I do also acknowledge that not all women can feel satiated on this amount of calories and that's alright because you can lose on more calories.
Don't see the need to make it seem like it is such an unhealthy way to approach weight loss. On reddit there is a subreddit 1200isplenty and many women on there are progressing just fine with this strategy.
Did you see that the primary person now being responded to is a guy? Do you think you and a larger guy should be eating the same amount of calories? Can you point out where in the 2018 portion of this thread people are saying that 1200 calories is unhealthy for everyone (as opposed to the man I see all the "unhealthy" comments being directed to)?
Do you know for sure that all the women on that reddit are using a food scale for all solids and logging everything accurately and completely? Or are they using the common estimations many people use and end up under-stating their calories?
Oh I never meant it works for a man, that would be unhealthy i mean those referring to other women in this thread saying its too low when it isnt. As long as the woman is not doing harm to herself with the rate she's chosen people should let them be. Of course I don't know if all of them are using scales but I'm sure not ALL of them dont.
Did you read my post on the previous page with an additional list of reasons to consider not going down to the bare minimum calorie target in order to lose weight?8 -
It's not for anyone else but the person (in this case a woman) to decide if 1200 works for them or not. If they notice they are fatigued and have difficulty sticking to this amount then it would not be appropriate but if they can get in all the nutrients they need and function fine on it then they should be left alone. Pointing this out is fine but saying only OLDER, small women should be on 1200 is over generalizing. Taller women may face more difficulty because they have a higher BMR on the other hand but ultimately its up to the person to decide.8
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As a wise rabbit used to say, “the winner is the one who eats the most and still loses the weight”...
Not sure why people purposely try to go to the bare minimum calories. Many people give up altogether, or never even start, because they think they will be miserable on a low calorie target. Letting people know that it is possible to eat more and still lose should be encouraging, not seen as a patronizing criticism of their approach..,19 -
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