Revving up slowed metabolism, gaining weight :(
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Lol... I actually have a thread about this same topic a while back, titled ' not a special snowflake, maybe damaged?'.... where I'm happy to say, people were much more civil and much less ' I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT'. Silly me for thinking I could find that success on more than one thread.....
So ya, I'm aware I'm not a special snowflake. It'd be cool if people could realize that their answer isn't always the right one, but whatevs...0 -
I'm saying this as genuinely and nicely as I would if we were all in a big room having this same discussing. No snark applied or implied.....
Just so we're on the same page, I didn't come here asking for help in defining my problem. I've done enough research and come to my own conclusions with the assistance of my GP and trainer to create a clear definition of what's going on with my current situation. What I asked for was guidance from like-minded people, because it gets boring only talking to the same two people about this and I enjoy the conversation with people who are on the same page as me.
I didn't ask anyone to come insult me, make assumptions, or trash my knowledge and understanding in favor of their own agenda/what's worked for them/etc. That advice is best saved for someone seeking it, which there are plenty of folks on the forum who are, and would happily take what's being offered. No offense meant in any way. Six months ago, I was banging a different drum myself, so I understand that there are many methods of weight loss that work on a variety of individuals. But to force the stance on someone who clearly isn't looking for a change of perspective seems counterproductive to me.
Thanks to those of you who stuck to the topic and offered guidance!
I don't think that anyone has meant to be rude but just trying to suggest there may be other reasons at work which could be easily solved. That can only be a good thing right?
In the Minnesota starvation experiment, which is very interesting read the participants metabolic rates fell by 40%, they were literally starved but they maintained 60% of their metabolic rate. The metabolic drop occurred when they were reaching extremely low body fat to a point were it was becoming dangerous. Most people on here will not experience this unless they are suffering from an eating disorder.0 -
I'm just wondering why you think your metabolism is damaged if you can have a TDEE that high doing nothing but a walk each day? I realize you are tall and overweight but really, that's a high TDEE. If your metabolism wasn't working right wouldn't you be seeing a TDEE much lower on your BodyMedia? Or are you assuming that it's basing it's calculations on a "normal" person and therefore it isn't really accurate for you which totally defeats the purpose of wearing it?
I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand where you got the idea your metabolism is slow. I'm really interested in how you arrived at this conclusion even though you ask only for like minded people to respond. I'm not sure if I'm like minded yet!0 -
I'm just wondering why you think your metabolism is damaged if you can have a TDEE that high doing nothing but a walk each day? I realize you are tall and overweight but really, that's a high TDEE. If your metabolism wasn't working right wouldn't you be seeing a TDEE much lower on your BodyMedia? Or are you assuming that it's basing it's calculations on a "normal" person and therefore it isn't really accurate for you which totally defeats the purpose of wearing it?
I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand where you got the idea your metabolism is slow. I'm really interested in how you arrived at this conclusion even though you ask only for like minded people to respond. I'm not sure if I'm like minded yet!
This was my initial question too. The math just doesn't work.0 -
I agree with others that your metabolism does not appear to be supressed given your estimated BMR and TDEE numbers.
However, you were eating low, and when you increase your calories, especially if you do it in one massive adding of calories, you'll see an increase in weight due to replenishing of glycogen stores, retaining water, etc. In addition to that, you've started weight training, which can also lead to a temporary weight gain due to retaining water (weighing in the day after a lifting session sucks!).
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1071202-why-you-gain-weight-if-you-eat-more-than-your-cut
Also, you had asked for how long. I'd continue what you're doing for 4-6 weeks, and then reassess. If you are going to add any more calories (or decrease them), I'd do relatively small increments a week or two at a time.
ETA: Also make sure you are being as accurate as possible in logging your foods since guessing can limit your progress. (Do as I say not as I do since I guess when I go out to eat
) Another good read about that:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/872212-you-re-probably-eating-more-than-you-think0 -
I'm just wondering why you think your metabolism is damaged if you can have a TDEE that high doing nothing but a walk each day? I realize you are tall and overweight but really, that's a high TDEE. If your metabolism wasn't working right wouldn't you be seeing a TDEE much lower on your BodyMedia? Or are you assuming that it's basing it's calculations on a "normal" person and therefore it isn't really accurate for you which totally defeats the purpose of wearing it?
I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand where you got the idea your metabolism is slow. I'm really interested in how you arrived at this conclusion even though you ask only for like minded people to respond. I'm not sure if I'm like minded yet!
Don't even bother. She received numerous pages of good, solid, well thought-out advice. She is set in her ways and refuses to see that she might be wrong.
I wouldn't even waste your time.0 -
Just so we're on the same page, I didn't come here asking for help in defining my problem. I've done enough research and come to my own conclusions with the assistance of my GP and trainer to create a clear definition of what's going on with my current situation. What I asked for was guidance from like-minded people, because it gets boring only talking to the same two people about this and I enjoy the conversation with people who are on the same page as me.
You believe you are eating 1600 calories per day, burning 2300-2900 calories per day, and you want to know how long someone with a damaged metabolism would expect to keep gaining weight in this scenario. Is that your question?
What did your GP and trainer say when you asked them this question?0 -
Be consistent for a month, then reassess.
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I'm just wondering why you think your metabolism is damaged if you can have a TDEE that high doing nothing but a walk each day? I realize you are tall and overweight but really, that's a high TDEE. If your metabolism wasn't working right wouldn't you be seeing a TDEE much lower on your BodyMedia? Or are you assuming that it's basing it's calculations on a "normal" person and therefore it isn't really accurate for you which totally defeats the purpose of wearing it?
I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand where you got the idea your metabolism is slow. I'm really interested in how you arrived at this conclusion even though you ask only for like minded people to respond. I'm not sure if I'm like minded yet!
You didn't come off as snarky, and I appreciate the questions, as they do help me to analyze and re-think my situation. The idea that my metabolism is slow comes from the fact that regardless of what my super exact TDEE is, there is just no earthly way I am eating to the point of a 7# weight gain in 4 weeks. Whether my daily expenditure is 2700-2900 calories as is calculated from my device and various calculators online (even those which take into account my body fat %), or if it's 2300 calories, or even 2,000 calories, I'm still only eating ~1600 calories a day. There's no way my TDEE is less than 1600, and therefore, I should certainly be seeing some sort of drop.
From what I understand, and has been confirmed here, there, and everywhere, is that continual VLCD along with BF% increase and LBM% decrease, one's metabolism gets more 'effective' at reserving what it's being fed. The way to break through this is by increasing calories and LBM, which is what I'm doing now. I'm eating more, albeit still at a deficit, and I've introduced weight training into my program, which will be 3x/week beginning next week, as I didn't want to throw too many changes to the equation all at once.
Now, what's going on in there to cause the scale to do whatever it's doing, I don't know. Am I retaining water? Am I storing fat? I really don't know. What I do know is that this was to be expected as things got on a more even keel, and I'm just trying to get a general idea of how long it takes before things start going in the opposite direction.0 -
Be consistent for a month, then reassess.
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In the OP, she says she has been consistent for a month and is gaining.0 -
Just so we're on the same page, I didn't come here asking for help in defining my problem. I've done enough research and come to my own conclusions with the assistance of my GP and trainer to create a clear definition of what's going on with my current situation. What I asked for was guidance from like-minded people, because it gets boring only talking to the same two people about this and I enjoy the conversation with people who are on the same page as me.
You believe you are eating 1600 calories per day, burning 2300-2900 calories per day, and you want to know how long someone with a damaged metabolism would expect to keep gaining weight in this scenario. Is that your question?
What did your GP and trainer say when you asked them this question?
GP said keep doing what I'm doing. Trainer said the same thing, and advised that once we get hot and heavy into the weight training, I increase my calories slightly.
Trainer is currently out of town til Thursday, so I'll ask him for a 'how long ya think this is gonna take' when he gets back. The dr, well, I don't make it a habit of worrying him with every aspect of my weight loss, so I haven't really addressed it with him since last time I saw him, which was about 2 weeks ago when we went over the bloodwork I had done a month ago. Prior to that, he scolded me for eating too little, advised I ramp up the calories, and let things fall into place.0 -
I'm just wondering why you think your metabolism is damaged if you can have a TDEE that high doing nothing but a walk each day? I realize you are tall and overweight but really, that's a high TDEE. If your metabolism wasn't working right wouldn't you be seeing a TDEE much lower on your BodyMedia? Or are you assuming that it's basing it's calculations on a "normal" person and therefore it isn't really accurate for you which totally defeats the purpose of wearing it?
I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand where you got the idea your metabolism is slow. I'm really interested in how you arrived at this conclusion even though you ask only for like minded people to respond. I'm not sure if I'm like minded yet!
You didn't come off as snarky, and I appreciate the questions, as they do help me to analyze and re-think my situation. The idea that my metabolism is slow comes from the fact that regardless of what my super exact TDEE is, there is just no earthly way I am eating to the point of a 7# weight gain in 4 weeks. Whether my daily expenditure is 2700-2900 calories as is calculated from my device and various calculators online (even those which take into account my body fat %), or if it's 2300 calories, or even 2,000 calories, I'm still only eating ~1600 calories a day. There's no way my TDEE is less than 1600, and therefore, I should certainly be seeing some sort of drop.
From what I understand, and has been confirmed here, there, and everywhere, is that continual VLCD along with BF% increase and LBM% decrease, one's metabolism gets more 'effective' at reserving what it's being fed. The way to break through this is by increasing calories and LBM, which is what I'm doing now. I'm eating more, albeit still at a deficit, and I've introduced weight training into my program, which will be 3x/week beginning next week, as I didn't want to throw too many changes to the equation all at once.
Now, what's going on in there to cause the scale to do whatever it's doing, I don't know. Am I retaining water? Am I storing fat? I really don't know. What I do know is that this was to be expected as things got on a more even keel, and I'm just trying to get a general idea of how long it takes before things start going in the opposite direction.
I'm just wondering if the device isn't calculating right. Maybe the data it uses is calculating on some "average" person and if your metabolism really has slowed it's giving you an exaggerated number. I would still think 1600 would allow for weight loss at your size. My daughter in 5'11" and about 165 lbs and she would maintain at that level.
All that said, from my research people don't generally experience metabolism issues that really make any difference until they've been eating at 500 calories or less a day for many months and even then it's minimal.0 -
If you are following a traditional way of dieting then I advise eating between 1400-1800 calories per day, 5-6 small meals about 3 hours between each.
I saw that you said you were starting up weight training, I would say to stop cardio workouts for the time being and concentrate on doing 20 minute sessions of high intensity training/weight training 3-4 times a week, HIIT and weight training builds muscle which increases your metabolism even when your resting. The more muscle your body has in relation to body fat the higher your metabolism will be.
Good luck. x0 -
Edited to delete original post... what would be the point lol0
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I wouldn't even waste your time.
You'd certainly waste yours tho, right? How about stop wasting YOUR time, and let those who want to have a conversation about it carry on without your interruptions?
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
What I don't appreciate is being told I'm wrong, simply because I didn't take YOUR advice. If you could understand and appreciate that there are different methods to lose weight, each applicable in certain situations, you wouldn't feel the need to come booming down on me with your knowledge stick.
You'll notice that people offering advice to my actual question, rather than preaching their own methods as 'the only way', are not being discouraged from posting on this thread. Just folks like you, who seem to think you know it all. Please, go give your advice where it's wanted, and stop derailing my thread. I didn't come here to be harassed, I came here for advice from like-minded individuals, which you obviously are not. And that's fine. Whatever works....I don't go onto low-cal threads, low carb threads, hcg threads, and preach at those people, and I'm only asking for the same respect here. Is that so much to ask?0 -
Simple answer then: there's a calorie surplus going on.Be consistent for a month, then reassess.
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In the OP, she says she has been consistent for a month and is gaining.
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I'm just wondering if the device isn't calculating right. Maybe the data it uses is calculating on some "average" person and if your metabolism really has slowed it's giving you an exaggerated number. I would still think 1600 would allow for weight loss at your size. My daughter in 5'11" and about 165 lbs and she would maintain at that level.
All that said, from my research people don't generally experience metabolism issues that really make any difference until they've been eating at 500 calories or less a day for many months and even then it's minimal.
It's possible the device, and online tools, are over estimating to a degree, but like I said, not to the point that I should be gaining if I'm eating a steady 1600 calories.
I could go into further detail about my 'disordered eating' (not sure if that's the same as an eating disorder), but I didn't reeeeally want to put myself out there like that, for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say, there have been times my caloric intake was 500 calories/day, however that was short lived (about a month).
So basically, if you go back maybe 6 months, I was at 500 cals/day for a month. I lost 8# that month and said said eff this, and moved back to what I felt was my 'safety net' of Medifast, which put me at 800-1000 cal/day. I did that for a couple months. I had no loss. I moved up to 1200 calories and did that for a couple months. Had my yearly physical, thyroid checked out ok, blood sugar from overnight fasting was fine. Cholesterol is up, but that will go down once I lose some weight...... Dr scorned me for eating so little still, and told me to ramp up the calories. Advised I'd see an uptick on the scale and not to get discouraged. I upped the calories to 1600, started a daily walking regimen, and have been at it for a month. I hired a trainer, started participating in his circuit training classes (heavy lifting), but that's so new it doesn't play into this- I've only been to one class so far. Now, here's some speculation.....
Last week, I walked 5.16 miles a day, with the exception of Thursday when I did a 10 mile hike with my kids. Wednesday, I did that lifting class. Certainly would expect some water retention from these two activities, so I'm *hoping* that I see as significant a drop this week as I have seen an increase since last Wednesday. And if that's the case, then I can safely assume that of the 7# I 'put on' this month, the majority of that was water retention from the hike/lifting. The rest? Perhaps water retention due to increased glycogen stores, now that I'm no longer low carbing and in ketosis.
And if all that pans out like I hope, then this would be 'my week', to start seeing it all turn around. It's just that after a month, I'm feeling a little antsy and decided to post for guidance from folks who understand THIS method of weight loss. I apologize for coming across as close-minded (I am, to be honest, because I've picked a methodology and I'm going to see it through to success). I appreciate the different opinions and options out there, but the way some folks were making assumptions and insinuations about me, it got my hackles up and I went all defense. Sorry 'bout that.0 -
Also, as others have mentioned the scale can cause a lot of consternation. You said you're 7lbs up, which could still be water weight. Women also have the added joy of monthly hormone fluctuations, and I've seen some people suggest that you should only compare your weight to an equivalent time point in your cycle.
I again think you need to give it another few weeks (and make sure you're accurately logging food/exercise). If you don't start to see a downward trend, then reassess.0 -
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You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
I have to agree that your responses are not helpful. She has asked you multiple times to let the topic go. She is asking specific questions, but you are determined to only voice your own opinion & drowned out and belittle all others. I'm curious what your nutritional background & training are to be so persistent in your harassment of the OP? She has spoken with her physician & her trainer, and they have given her advice. You somehow think yours is more valid, why is that?
As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on? If not, let the topic go!!! Folks like you who keep advocating lower & lower caloric intake without any regard to the patient specifics or nutrition are very dangerous! I've kept my opinions in this regard to myself for months on end, and only lately began to respond & speak out, because I think your viewpoint is dangerous! Deficits of >20% SHOULD NOT be undertaken without a physician's guidance. Weight loss of >1 pound/week is also ill advised & should not be undertaken without a physician's guidance. I also agree that most physicians are not well trained in nutrition during medical school, which is why I turned to the bariatric medical research literature for my opinions not the "bro science" spouted on the majority of these boards. There is HEALTHY weight loss & UNHEALTHY weight loss, I prefer to advocate for the former!0 -
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
I have to agree that your responses are not helpful. She has asked you multiple times to let the topic go. She is asking specific questions, but you are determined to only voice your own opinion & drowned out and belittle all others. I'm curious what your nutritional background & training are to be so persistent in your harassment of the OP? She has spoken with her physician & her trainer, and they have given her advice. You somehow think yours is more valid, why is that?
As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on? If not, let the topic go!!!
Thumbs up! :flowerforyou:0 -
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
I have to agree that your responses are not helpful. She has asked you multiple times to let the topic go. She is asking specific questions, but you are determined to only voice your own opinion & drowned out and belittle all others. I'm curious what your nutritional background & training are to be so persistent in your harassment of the OP? She has spoken with her physician & her trainer, and they have given her advice. You somehow think yours is more valid, why is that?
As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on? If not, let the topic go!!! Folks like you who keep advocating lower & lower caloric intake without any regard to the patient specifics or nutrition are very dangerous! I've kept my opinions in this regard to myself for months on end, and only lately began to respond & speak out, because I think your viewpoint is dangerous! Deficits of >20% SHOULD NOT be undertaken without a physician's guidance. Weight loss of >1 pound/week is also ill advised & should not be undertaken without a physician's guidance. I also agree that most physicians are not well trained in nutrition during medical school, which is why I turned to the bariatric medical research literature for my opinions not the "bro science" spouted on the majority of these boards. There is HEALTHY weight loss & UNHEALTHY weight loss, I prefer to advocate for the former!
I thought that posters original advice was very helpful. As someone whose weight loss has stalled in the past it made sense. You can't ask for advice and then be rude to people who don't give you the answer you want to hear.0 -
The advice I was seeking was from like-minded individuals who understand that once you up your caloric intake after months and months of starving yourself that yes, you're going to see an uptick on the scale, and maybe offer some guidance as to how long I might experience said uptick before it started to go back down.
I did NOT ask for another approach, or to be told I'm over eating, under exercising, I didn't ask for any of that. I did not come here looking for unsolicited advice. I came here with a very specific question, one that a handful of people chose to disregard in favor of pushing their own agendas.
I wasn't rude until about page 3, where I had had enough of the damn assumptions about myself, my intelligence, or my ability to log wtf i put in my mouth. Logging calories is not rocket science.0 -
So, I have been in your shoes. I know what you are talking about. I am currently pregnant and using this time to NOT diet, not count calories and cut back on my workouts.
I am wondering when was the last time you ate at maintenance? Before I got pregnant, I was eating at maintenance, trying to get my metabolism back on track. Since you are only eating 1600 calories a day right now you might want to bump that up slowly, 100-200 per week for a few weeks then add on. You will probably gain more weight. I don't know how much. But I would suggest you try this for a WHILE. A few months. Your body needs to repair and reset. I know I have read some good articles on this but I can't remember where I found them.
Also, I think the strength training will help so keep that up.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.0 -
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
I have to agree that your responses are not helpful. She has asked you multiple times to let the topic go. She is asking specific questions, but you are determined to only voice your own opinion & drowned out and belittle all others. I'm curious what your nutritional background & training are to be so persistent in your harassment of the OP? She has spoken with her physician & her trainer, and they have given her advice. You somehow think yours is more valid, why is that?
As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on? If not, let the topic go!!!
You must have missed the other pages of her telling people off for giving valid advice. Why am i persistent on this? Would you tell a patient to take a medication for diabetes if they weren't diabetic? Would you tell a patient to take an antibiotic for a virus? Of course you wouldn't. You would give them care that is in line with their illness and/or problem.
If a patient came into your office convinced she had cancer despite numerous screenings telling her otherwise would you advise her to simply see someone else who would tell her she has cancer?
As a physician i'm sure you're familiar with peer reviewed studies on this topic. Our bodies work in a systemic way and she is not the exception.
You can't just disregard fact because you want to believe otherwise.
I edited & added to my statement before you quoted it. I ask you to go back & read my full reply, because it still applies! Your advice is overbearing & dangerous, especially when advocating without knowing all the facts. I have exchanged further messages with the OP. You need to let it go, before you embarrass yourself & lead others astray, as the OP has asked. I don't know how to be more blunt.
As for folks questioning her TDEE, I am shorter, lighter & OLDER than the OP & have a TDEE of around 2200. My sister, who is taller than me, but heavier & older than the OP has a TDEE of 2400. Her TDEE is not out of line with her measurements & age. Just as a small percentage of folks (<5 feet) can lose weight appropriately on 1200 calories/day, folks at height >5-8 are going to have much higher TDEE than the majority of women on this board without taking into account a huge calorie burn from exercise. While there are "no special snowflakes," there are likewise inherent difference between us owing to age, height, weight, physical health, etc. That is where many of these response are missing out. The OP is appropriately concerned with conserving/building muscle mass & that is weighing into her decisions. If more women worked to ensure adequate calorie intake & protein intake, they would find their weigh loss journey more success in both the short term & LONG TERM. Pay attention to all those "I'm back" post & see what their calorie & weight loss goals were. Your diet should be a long term lifestyle change, not a temporary "lose as much as possible, as fast as possible." That attitude buys you nothing but the fast track back!0 -
The advice I was seeking was from like-minded individuals who understand that once you up your caloric intake after months and months of starving yourself that yes, you're going to see an uptick on the scale...
You are starting from a false premise. If you are eating at a consistent deficit, you will lose weight, consistently.
Put another way, you are begging the question.0 -
The advice I was seeking was from like-minded individuals who understand that once you up your caloric intake after months and months of starving yourself that yes, you're going to see an uptick on the scale...
You are starting from a false premise. If you are eating at a consistent deficit, you will lose weight, consistently.
Put another way, you are begging the question.
This is not always true. If so, you would lose weight eating zero calories days on end without exception & weight loss would be more linear. Yes the deficit matters, both not enough & too much. The body will eventually seek to conserve, thus you don't have the energy to carry out your daily routine. There is a too low limit, especially when it comes to losing muscle mass! The number on the scale isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to weight loss & health!!!0 -
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
I have to agree that your responses are not helpful. She has asked you multiple times to let the topic go. She is asking specific questions, but you are determined to only voice your own opinion & drowned out and belittle all others. I'm curious what your nutritional background & training are to be so persistent in your harassment of the OP? She has spoken with her physician & her trainer, and they have given her advice. You somehow think yours is more valid, why is that?
As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on? If not, let the topic go!!!
You must have missed the other pages of her telling people off for giving valid advice. Why am i persistent on this? Would you tell a patient to take a medication for diabetes if they weren't diabetic? Would you tell a patient to take an antibiotic for a virus? Of course you wouldn't. You would give them care that is in line with their illness and/or problem.
If a patient came into your office convinced she had cancer despite numerous screenings telling her otherwise would you advise her to simply see someone else who would tell her she has cancer?
As a physician i'm sure you're familiar with peer reviewed studies on this topic. Our bodies work in a systemic way and she is not the exception.
You can't just disregard fact because you want to believe otherwise.
I edited & added to my statement before you quoted it. I ask you to go back & read my full reply, because it still applies! Your advice is overbearing & dangerous, especially when advocating without knowing all the facts. I have exchanged further messages with the OP. You need to let it go, before you embarrass yourself & lead others astray, as the OP has asked. I don't know how to be more blunt.
As for folks questioning her TDEE, I am shorter, lighter & OLDER than the OP & have a TDEE of around 2200. My sister, who is taller than me, but heavier & older than the OP has a TDEE of 2400. Her TDEE is not out of line with her measurements & age. Just as a small percentage of folks (<5 feet) can lose weight appropriately on 1200 calories/day, folks at height >5-8 are going to have much higher TDEE than the majority of women on this board without taking into account a huge calorie burn from exercise. While there are "no special snowflakes," there are likewise inherent difference between us owing to age, height, weight, physical health, etc. That is where many of these response are missing out. The OP is appropriately concerned with conserving/building muscle mass & that is weighing into her decisions. If more women worked to ensure adequate calorie intake & protein intake, they would find their weigh loss journey more success in both the short term & LONG TERM. Pay attention to all those "I'm back" post & see what their calorie & weight loss goals were. Your diet should be a long term lifestyle change, not a temporary "lose as much as possible, as fast as possible." That attitude buys you nothing but the fast track back!
Okay, please tell me where i told her to eat less or offered she needed to be on a crash diet and not lift weights? I told her that if she were truly eating 1600 calories a day (which should be a deficit) she would be losing weight. She's not. She's done this for a month consistently and GAINED 7 pounds.
I agree completely that people should eat adequate calories, protein, carbohydrates, fats and micronutrients. Nowhere did i say otherwise.
I simply told her what's she's doing isn't working. She needs to test her BMR to find out accurately what it is and if there's any other issues going on because until then she doesn't have sufficient information to claim she has a damaged metabolism. I told her to continue to lift weights to retain muscle mass but understand the crash dieting she has done has likely resulted in a large amount of muscle mass being catabolized. Each time she gained weight back she gained it back in fat. I told her that gaining and or building new muscle on a calorie deficit isn't going to happen. I told her to get a scale and weigh/measure her food just to make sure she was logging as accurately as possible. I told her to find her TDEE accurately and then create her deficit.
I'm sorry that you guys feel the need to private message back and forth about how i need to save myself future embarrassment, but please don't advocate the exact same thing i did and then tell me i'm wrong.0 -
I'm sorry that you guys feel the need to private message back and forth about how i need to save myself future embarrassment, but please don't advocate the exact same thing i did and then tell me i'm wrong.
You'll be glad to know that we never once discussed you! We discussed her diet, dietary change & I sent her some good recipes. None of that had anything to do with YOU! Wow!!!0 -
Rainbow's right.0
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