Revving up slowed metabolism, gaining weight :(
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I'm sorry that you guys feel the need to private message back and forth about how i need to save myself future embarrassment, but please don't advocate the exact same thing i did and then tell me i'm wrong.
You'll be glad to know that we never once discussed you! We discussed her diet, dietary change & I sent her some good recipes. None of that had anything to do with YOU! Wow!!!
Not going to address anything else i said? No? Okay then.
When you say it like this " Your advice is overbearing & dangerous, especially when advocating without knowing all the facts. I have exchanged further messages with the OP. You need to let it go, before you embarrass yourself & lead others astray, as the OP has asked. I don't know how to be more blunt. " it implies you discussed me. If not, that's fine. But the advice i gave is almost exactly what you said. If anything i encouraged her to get tested and know FOR SURE what's going on instead of basing her diet off an assumption.0 -
Okay, please tell me where i told her to eat less or offered she needed to be on a crash diet and not lift weights? I told her that if she were truly eating 1600 calories a day (which should be a deficit) she would be losing weight. She's not. She's done this for a month consistently and GAINED 7 pounds.
Did you bother to read this:I could go into further detail about my 'disordered eating' (not sure if that's the same as an eating disorder), but I didn't reeeeally want to put myself out there like that, for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say, there have been times my caloric intake was 500 calories/day, however that was short lived (about a month).
So basically, if you go back maybe 6 months, I was at 500 cals/day for a month. I lost 8# that month and said said eff this, and moved back to what I felt was my 'safety net' of Medifast, which put me at 800-1000 cal/day. I did that for a couple months. I had no loss. I moved up to 1200 calories and did that for a couple months. Had my yearly physical, thyroid checked out ok, blood sugar from overnight fasting was fine. Cholesterol is up, but that will go down once I lose some weight...... Dr scorned me for eating so little still, and told me to ramp up the calories. Advised I'd see an uptick on the scale and not to get discouraged. I upped the calories to 1600, started a daily walking regimen, and have been at it for a month. I hired a trainer, started participating in his circuit training classes (heavy lifting), but that's so new it doesn't play into this- I've only been to one class so far. Now, here's some speculation.....
Last week, I walked 5.16 miles a day, with the exception of Thursday when I did a 10 mile hike with my kids. Wednesday, I did that lifting class. Certainly would expect some water retention from these two activities, so I'm *hoping* that I see as significant a drop this week as I have seen an increase since last Wednesday. And if that's the case, then I can safely assume that of the 7# I 'put on' this month, the majority of that was water retention from the hike/lifting. The rest? Perhaps water retention due to increased glycogen stores, now that I'm no longer low carbing and in ketosis.
And if all that pans out like I hope, then this would be 'my week', to start seeing it all turn around. It's just that after a month, I'm feeling a little antsy and decided to post for guidance from folks who understand THIS method of weight loss. I apologize for coming across as close-minded (I am, to be honest, because I've picked a methodology and I'm going to see it through to success). I appreciate the different opinions and options out there, but the way some folks were making assumptions and insinuations about me, it got my hackles up and I went all defense. Sorry 'bout that.0 -
Or is water retention a myth as well?
Again, I didn't come here asking for caloric advice. I asked how long I can expect the scale to be screwing with my after upping my calories after repeatedly doing damage to myself on VLCD.
How that turned into, please, tell me I'm inaccurately logging is beyond me.0 -
I mean we're all arguing semantics now. No one can help you and you clearly cant help yourself until you get your RMR tested. Period.
You claim you have a damaged metabolism? Go get it tested.
You claim you are eating "x" amount of calories but aren't losing weight? Test that the number is correct.
You claim you are burning "x" amount of calories causing this huge deficit? Test the number is correct with a VO2 max in conjunction with your RMR testing.
You claim you are gaining weight? Test to make sure you are gaining fat. If so, one of the above is not accurate. ^ This isn't my opinion, this is fact.
I cannot even believe that i have been made out to be the "bad guy" in this situation when in fact OP disregards everything she is told.0 -
Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:0 -
Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
I'm sorry, but don't use your prestigious degree to argue that everyone is subservient to you and clearly wrong. Nothing i stated has anything to do with your medical school or ICU experience. I stated facts. Albeit i probably could have added more fluff and *cheering the op on* crap to not get attacked.
OP hasn't even mentioned how she measured body fat, simply that it's 40%. She hasn't added that she has gained 7 pounds of FAT. She hasn't mentioned an increase/decrease in measurements.
As i stated above, we're all arguing semantics. But don't take it personally Doc! I never said anything that disagrees with your views personally.0 -
Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
What did Rainbow say that was incorrect?0 -
Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
What did Rainbow say that was incorrect?
I dont know who you are Penfoldsplace, but thank you for not immediately attacking me. Thanks for actually reading my original post. Thanks for at least seeing the malicious intent behind the OP of this thread.
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Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
You know Doc...I was with you until this... kind of beneath you don't you think? Clearly you haven't always had all the answers... or you wouldn't be here.0 -
OP hasn't even mentioned how she measured body fat, simply that it's 40%. She hasn't added that she has gained 7 pounds of FAT. She hasn't mentioned an increase/decrease in measurements.
Where did I say it was 7# of 'fat'. Again, I need to ask if you even read the post I quoted last time I addressed you, as it's pretty damn clear I was muddling the idea that this is temporary weight gain via water retention. As far as body fat %, had it checked with calipers, as well as bio-impedance.
I believe I did mention an increase in measurements, either explicitly or in round-about fashion when I stated that my clothes are tighter than they were a month ago.
After it was suggested and explained how to go about it, I looked into having my RMR tested and there is apparently a place that does testing via a BodPod about 45 minutes from here. I'll be going that route if things that I'm currently doing dont turn around in the next few weeks.malicious intent behind the OP of this thread
So now, asking for people who are on the same page as me for guidance, and asking people who want to ram their opinions down my throat to please take their unsolicited advice elsewhere so that I may continue my conversation with people who will converse with me on the topic I've asked about, rather than debate assumptions you people are making about me, I have 'malicious intent'? For wanting to talk about people who can relate to the topic at hand? Can you please just go away already? I mean, seriously.... I don't go into threads that clearly don't jive with my line of thinking, only to force feed my viewpoints and cause a ruckus. You think you could maybe do the same?0 -
Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
I'm sorry, but don't use your prestigious degree to argue that everyone is subservient to you and clearly wrong. Nothing i stated has anything to do with your medical school or ICU experience. I stated facts. Albeit i probably could have added more fluff and *cheering the op on* crap to not get attacked.
OP hasn't even mentioned how she measured body fat, simply that it's 40%. She hasn't added that she has gained 7 pounds of FAT. She hasn't mentioned an increase/decrease in measurements.
As i stated above, we're all arguing semantics. But don't take it personally Doc! I never said anything that disagrees with your views personally.
If you'll notice, that wasn't your post. It was from someone else. I directed that statement to that particular post, because the author of the post has advocated low calorie diets in other threads. His assumptions are wrong!
As for your original post, you made some very good points. The problem evolved when the OP tried to answer you, and you continued to argue back. You refused to let the topic go, despite many pleas from her! You even went so for as to tell others not to waste their time responding to the OP. The OP repeatedly told you what she was specifically asking assistance with & you refused to listen. That is when you started embarrassing yourself. When presented with even more information that you are lacking some of the specific background related to the OP's question, you continued to argue. It's one thing to answer a question, it's a whole nuther to continue to argue for the sake of arguing & gaining the last word. You completely derailed the thread & tried to bully the OP and others away from disagreeing with you. If you had stopped after 2 or 3 post, you would've shown more authority & decorum, but you couldn't help yourself.
This is the very first time I have answered/argued back & I'm not proud of myself! I assume you are proud of yourself??? I apologize to the OP for any part I played in this now mess of thread. I need to remember this is the internet where anyone & everyone is an expert, and those you cry loudest are king!0 -
As for your original post, you made some very good points. The problem evolved when the OP tried to answer you, and you continued to argue back.
To be fair, it wasn't even directed at her in particular. There were several posts that came in that offered the same sort of advice, and I responded to all, in an open-mic sort of fashion. It was at that point that she took it as a direct attack at what she had to say (which, by the way, aside from all the assumptions, actually contained sound advice). She escalated it to the point of ridiculous without me ever even speaking directly to her. So good job on that, Rainbow..... see what happens when you assume?You refused to let the topic go, despite many pleas from her! You even went so for as to tell others not to waste their time responding to the OP. The OP repeatedly told you what she was specifically asking assistance with & you refused to listen.
Ya, all that banter was directed towards her specifically. Hell, I even started out with flowers and smiliey faces to show that while I don't agree with everyone's opinions and stances, it's all good. Not my fault some people can't take 'no thanks' gracefully.....0 -
tgs1029 increase the intensity of your excerise and trick or jumpstart your metabolism.0
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Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
What did Rainbow say that was incorrect?
I dont know who you are Penfoldsplace, but thank you for not immediately attacking me. Thanks for actually reading my original post. Thanks for at least seeing the malicious intent behind the OP of this thread.
No problem, I thought you gave the OP good advice.0 -
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
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As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on?
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Care to take on what? The unverifiable "credentials" of an anonymous internet poster?
Oh wait...you're being serious, aren't you?0 -
Rainbow's right.
Oh goody! Next time I won't waste my time going to medical school, doing a residency & fellowship, or having 23 years of ICU experience. I just apply for my doctorate from the MFP "Cracker Jack" box! :huh:
What does that have to do with anything?0 -
You claim you have a damaged metabolism? Go get it tested.
You claim you are eating "x" amount of calories but aren't losing weight? Test that the number is correct.
You claim you are burning "x" amount of calories causing this huge deficit? Test the number is correct with a VO2 max in conjunction with your RMR testing.
You claim you are gaining weight? Test to make sure you are gaining fat. If so, one of the above is not accurate.
That sums it up.
My prediction: OP will do none of that, opting instead to follow the "eat more" path and will, inevitably, gain more weight.0 -
You're hilarious. :drinker:
As if you'd actually have a conversation with anyone on here without telling them they're wrong. Stop wasting you're own time if you're convinced you have all the answer? I dont know, that's what i'd suggest. But it's pretty obvious everything we say is just being "cocky".
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As an aside, I have answered the OP's question & stuck to the topic. Now before you blow me off too, I'll just let you know that I am a physician with EXTENSIVE training & experience in newborn & ICU nutrition. That doesn't make me an expert in adult nutrition & weight loss, but it does prepare me to evaluate articles & research in the topic of weight loss & nutrition. I have read extensively in the topic since starting my weight loss & dare say I am a little more qualified than you. Care to take me on?
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Care to take on what? The unverifiable "credentials" of an anonymous internet poster?
Oh wait...you're being serious, aren't you?
Hey watch your words... He's an important doctor and only he can have opinions, remember?0 -
Have you thought about raspberry ketones? Dr OZ says they work.0
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I started eating healthy and regular exercise and I immediately noticed results. At first I didn't lower my food intact just worked on 3 squares a day. I'd lose 2 pounds amonth exercising 3-4 days a week. By month 3 I decided to count calories and add 2 snacks to my 3 meals a day. I upped my exercise to 4-5 days a week and by the end of a year I was over 80 pounds down.
I've maintained this past year. I move around about 7 pounds each month, but stay in the 160's. One of these days I'll really knuckle down and get that last 25 or some pounds off.0 -
I haven't read all the he said/she said between here and my previous post but I did read OP's "story". If you've been eating at that kind of deficit for that long, are the size you are and are now basically refeeding then most likely the 7 lbs is a combination of replenished glycogen stores and water. Also at your height/weight 7 lbs isn't a huge amount. I'm really small so 7 lbs is enormous but you have a lot more height to spread that over.
It would have been helpful in the beginning to know the back story on your recent eating history. Maybe my misconception but I thought from the get go that you meant events in the more distant past, not within the last few months, It makes total sense that your body is trying to replenish stores it gave up during your enforced fast.0 -
I haven't read all the he said/she said between here and my previous post but I did read OP's "story". If you've been eating at that kind of deficit for that long, are the size you are and are now basically refeeding then most likely the 7 lbs is a combination of replenished glycogen stores and water. Also at your height/weight 7 lbs isn't a huge amount. I'm really small so 7 lbs is enormous but you have a lot more height to spread that over.
It would have been helpful in the beginning to know the back story on your recent eating history. Maybe my misconception but I thought from the get go that you meant events in the more distant past, not within the last few months, It makes total sense that your body is trying to replenish stores it gave up during your enforced fast.
Replenishment is a real thing but that would've been over and done with within a couple of days, a week at most. She wouldn't have kept gaining for a month.0 -
You claim you have a damaged metabolism? Go get it tested.
You claim you are eating "x" amount of calories but aren't losing weight? Test that the number is correct.
You claim you are burning "x" amount of calories causing this huge deficit? Test the number is correct with a VO2 max in conjunction with your RMR testing.
You claim you are gaining weight? Test to make sure you are gaining fat. If so, one of the above is not accurate.
That sums it up.
My prediction: OP will do none of that, opting instead to follow the "eat more" path and will, inevitably, gain more weight.
Seriously....wtf is with the assumptions around here? Good job!0 -
OMG. People around hear must be really bored.0
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A few things!
1. Check to make sure that you are wearing your BodyMedia right-side-up. I had the BodyBugg, and I know that it's an issue with several other bands, but if you wear them the wrong way, it overestimates calorie burn.
2. How is your LBM? If you have really low muscle mass, that can be why your metabolism is stalling.
3. What time of day do you weight yourself? I know from checking the scale that I can gain 10 pounds in one day (from first thing in the morning until right before bed).
4. *What* do you eat? Are you getting 7-9 servings of vegetables and fruits every day? With no more than 3 fruits?
Overall, if you are burning 2600ish calories per day (or whatever it was exactly) then you aren't really having metabolism issues. However, from what you are saying the signs seem to point at metabolism issues. This makes me think that there's a problem with you BodyMedia. 2600 calories per day is not bad metabolism.
Good luck, and maybe put a little less credence in the BodyMedia :-)0 -
LOL I'm wearing it right side up
The only time it gives wonky results is when I'm riding my bike, but that's a known issue with the arm bands so I just take it off, use my Polar HRM for bike rides, and edit my 'off body' details for that duration.
LBM sucks.
It's a pretty good assumption that with all the VLCD'ing I've done over the years and recently, excessive cardio, and lack of lifting, that I've eradicated what little muscle I had. Eating more calories and lifting will help with that.
I weight myself first thing in the morning, after using the bathroom, before getting in the shower. Same time every day for the most part, always before food or drink, before soaking myself in the shower, and after using the potty.
As for what I eat.... breakfast- 2 egg whites + 1 whole egg and a low fat cheese stick.
Morning snack- fruit of some sort and a cheese stick if I didn't eat one with the eggs.
Lunch- I had grilled salmon and rice the other day, today I had a big salad with some grilled chicken sausage on top, balsamic vinegar for flavor.
Afternoon snack- pumpkin puree with 0% fat greek yogurt, flax, a tablespoon of honey, vanilla, pumpkin pie spice, and ice blended in the blender.
Dinner- chicken on the grill tonight, salmon tonight, both with a side of veg (steamed broccoli/ roasted squash)
Evening snack- turkey jerky
And ZOMG! If I can fit it in my calories and macros, I'll even have a COOKIE! So that must be it right there, like the poster who so graciously posting about me nom'ing on bon bons. That was very mature.....
I digress.....so ya, I eat pretty well, and balanced. Macros are 40/35/25 carbs/protein/fat.
I didn't get here eating properly. I got here being lazy after losing weight- slacking off on the working out, some in part due to injury, some in part due to falling back into bad habits, and all the yoyo'ing finally caught up with me I guess, because this time around, it hasn't been as simple as cutting back the calories like I did in the recent past, which is what drove me to reassess my approach to weight loss in the first place. 0 -
This is my favorite article on this subject I've seen. People in the "bargaining" stage try to lawyer their way out of this all the time, but really, math is math.
http://www.acaloriecounter.com/blog/why-am-i-not-losing-weight/0 -
You again? Really?0
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No, it's my identical twin.0
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I have not read this whole post, but I wanted to let you know that I gained a lot of weight wearing the BMF. I followed the calories, did everything as accurately as you are, measured everything that went into my mouth, I was doing boot camp and walking and running and riding bike. I gained ten pounds in two or three months.
I ditched the Body Media Fit and now I wear my fitbit. I love the fitbit. I take between 12,000-20,000 steps per day. I have your dieting history as well. I find it really, really hard to lose weight. I go at it for a few months, lose a few pounds, take a break for a few months, and continue on. It's taken me all summer and into the fall to lose 9 lbs. It's not easy, but I figure it's better than gaining weight.
Some of us just don't fit the calories in and calories out equation. I don't know why.
Keep plugging away and perhaps take a break from the BMF?
Way to go on the walking by the way! I love my daily walks!0
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