Are Oreos more addicting than cocaine/morphine?

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  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    You know, I've discussed this before. Oreos are sweet. Sweet stimulates sensory organs. Cocaine is a narcotic... it does not stimulate sensory organs. Dopamine is released faster with food, and does not last nearly as long. Obviously, a rat is going to choose sweet food over a narcotic substance because it is their instinct to eat food and sweet makes it more attractive. It is not, however, their instinct to snort cocaine.

    I'm sorry but I feel like this study is just dumb! Besides, rats have a completely different physiology than humans anyway.
  • bunnybutler29
    bunnybutler29 Posts: 291
    Mmmm oreo's... They are good, but not my fave. Some of the meds I've had in the hospital were pretty dang good including the morphine. I don't take any meds at home though, prescribed or not. Not even Tylenol, but I could totally see how you could get addicted to the other stuff.
  • Mutant13
    Mutant13 Posts: 2,485 Member
    Do you mean "addictive"?

    Oh and no.

    Thankyou!
  • dirty_dirty_eater
    dirty_dirty_eater Posts: 574 Member
    I think they are.

    In the grocery store, I walk right past the cocaine without a second thought. It's the Oreo's that call my name.
  • nyboer
    nyboer Posts: 346 Member
    I think they are.

    In the grocery store, I walk right past the cocaine without a second thought. It's the Oreo's that call my name.

    :laugh: "I walk right past the cocaine without a second thought." :laugh:
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    Try some morphine and let me know what you think.

    I enjoyed it the escape is wonderful, but my go to drug has always been food. Nice thing about food vs morphine is it serves the dual purpose of comfort and self destruction. By being obese you get to fulfill your prophecy that you are a shunned, worthless, disgusting piece of garbage. At least my reasoning as to why despite exposure to other drugs I always chose food.

    Another note the brother chose cocaine we both suffered similar consequences despite our substance of choice. His was just a lot easier to hide.
  • bcf7683
    bcf7683 Posts: 1,653 Member
    LOL, I saw this on the news this morning, too. I feel like this is a symptom of the times...we're always looking to blame the addiction rather than take responsibility for our own choices...face palms...

    Exactly. Always trying to point a finger rather than look in the mirror. :noway:
  • jack758
    jack758 Posts: 15 Member
    LOL ESPECIALLY
  • jack758
    jack758 Posts: 15 Member
    LOL ESPECIALLY when they are in a McFlurry! I can't even eat them by themselves, but I'll eat them in a McFlurry.
  • sillyshamrock11
    sillyshamrock11 Posts: 43 Member
    I've eaten a lot of Oreos, but I never gave anyone a BJ to get more when the package ran out.

    HAHAHAHAHA. This whole thread in general is hilarious.

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  • belgerian
    belgerian Posts: 1,059 Member
    Double stuffed oreos are more addicting than ANYTHING.
  • gabbygirl78
    gabbygirl78 Posts: 936 Member
    That study didn't show any such thing.

    What it did demonstrate, however, is that rats make better choices than do human junkies.

    :laugh: this
  • belgerian
    belgerian Posts: 1,059 Member
    Hate to say this but if you have a addictiver personality such as I, yes sugar is addicting I cannot eat just one oreo. My wife bought a package of cookies once and in one sitting I ate the whole fricking package. Call it what you will but for myself all jokes aside I cannot have just one or two ore three the whole package is a start then I want to go to the store to get another. Some things I do not buy too often Cookies and Ice cream are at the top of the list. If I could eat in moderation I would not be here.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    If sugar is addictive, how do you explain the fact that millions or billions of people can eat it occasionally and not have any withdrawal symptoms when they don't eat any?

    Sugar is not addictive. Some people might display compulsive eating behaviors, and may have a preference for sugary foods, but that doesn't mean it's addictive.

    same way millions of people responsibly enjoy drinking alcohol and are completely functional... and are not alcoholics- or even FUNCTIONAL alcoholics.
  • tedrickp
    tedrickp Posts: 1,229 Member
    People are way to quick to attribute compulsion or simple lack of will power to addiction IMO.
  • SkinnyFatAlbert
    SkinnyFatAlbert Posts: 482 Member
    No.
  • Myhaloslipped
    Myhaloslipped Posts: 4,317 Member
    If sugar is addictive, how do you explain the fact that millions or billions of people can eat it occasionally and not have any withdrawal symptoms when they don't eat any?

    Sugar is not addictive. Some people might display compulsive eating behaviors, and may have a preference for sugary foods, but that doesn't mean it's addictive.

    same way millions of people responsibly enjoy drinking alcohol and are completely functional... and are not alcoholics- or even FUNCTIONAL alcoholics.

    Some years back, my best friend would go through two bottles of wine per day (the really big bottles), and no one ever really noticed much unless they spent a great deal of time with her. She only drinks socially now that she has a kid, but yeah, you just never know what is going on in someone's life.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    Hate to say this but if you have a addictiver personality such as I, yes sugar is addicting I cannot eat just one oreo. My wife bought a package of cookies once and in one sitting I ate the whole fricking package. Call it what you will but for myself all jokes aside I cannot have just one or two ore three the whole package is a start then I want to go to the store to get another. Some things I do not buy too often Cookies and Ice cream are at the top of the list. If I could eat in moderation I would not be here.

    That's exactly the point. If you have an addictive personality, then you can develop the compulsion to over-indulge on anything. However, it is a common belief that narcotics cause an instant addiction. In part, this is true because it bypasses the sensory organs when creating the dopamine release. Therefore, the propensity towards addiction is far more likely with narcotics than anything else, which is why all narcotics are illegal. But the first time you snort cocaine, or shoot up heroine, or take a hit of ecstasy, or smoke a joint, or even hit a crack rock, you won't immediately become addicted, despite popular belief. However, if a pattern of using emerges, then it will not take long.

    Food addiction, nicotine addiction, alcohol addiction, and sex addiction (as well as any other compulsive behavior) requires a much longer pattern of behavior to emerge before the "overwhelming desire" that trademarks addiction begins to take hold.
  • Quieau
    Quieau Posts: 428 Member
    Just came back to check and was not at all surprised at the reaction.

    I tried cocaine a few times back in the day. Never got addicted, it was too expensive for what I got out of it. I tried morphine several times (in a hospital setting) and as much as I loooove my morphine (I've had more than my share, most likely, lots of surgeries), I never got addicted to it either. Just not my particular chemical trigger I guess.

    Sugar? I've been addicted to sugar. I kicked it myself, just like I kicked nicotine myself. I still enjoy the occasional sugar (even processed sugar like ice cream) but I do know that I have to be very careful with it, just like I have to be very careful with my oxycodone and hydrocodone prescriptions. I have used them judiciously for a few years and not gotten addicted, but I know many who have legit addictions to morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone and cocaine. Heartbreaking addictions. Life shattering addictions.

    Although I have mine under control, I don't doubt for a minute that there are people for whom sugar has the same power and does the same damage that cocaine or morphine has to others. For those of you reading this thread, I apologize for the mocking of your problem that you have to endure here at MFP and I hope that eventually you will find someplace that offers you more support and compassion.

    That is all.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    People are way to quick to attribute compulsion or simple lack of will power to addiction IMO.

    Addiction actually is compulsion. Lack of will power begins the process towards addiction, but it is not addiction, in and of itself.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    If sugar is addictive, how do you explain the fact that millions or billions of people can eat it occasionally and not have any withdrawal symptoms when they don't eat any?

    Sugar is not addictive. Some people might display compulsive eating behaviors, and may have a preference for sugary foods, but that doesn't mean it's addictive.

    same way millions of people responsibly enjoy drinking alcohol and are completely functional... and are not alcoholics- or even FUNCTIONAL alcoholics.

    I didn't say anything about being functional while on it.

    I asked about withdrawal. Alcohol withdrawal is a thing. Sugar withdrawal is not.
  • tedrickp
    tedrickp Posts: 1,229 Member
    People are way to quick to attribute compulsion or simple lack of will power to addiction IMO.

    Addiction actually is compulsion. Lack of will power begins the process towards addiction, but it is not addiction, in and of itself.

    Maybe things have changed since I worked in the field (was over 10 years ago so entirely possible) but there is/was a fine but distinct line between compulsion and addiction.

    Agree with you about lack of will power though and essentially that last part is what I was trying to convey...albeit less eloquently than you :drinker:
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    Oh for gods sake, the rats went for the tastier food - that doesn't make them addictive.

    hmmm oreos or rice cakes - what a hard choice :noway:

    Ridiculous conclusion is ridiculous.
    I have a debiltating rice cake addiction.

    Are they Ranch or Cheddar rice cakes? I'd take them over Oreos. :love:
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    If sugar is addictive, how do you explain the fact that millions or billions of people can eat it occasionally and not have any withdrawal symptoms when they don't eat any?

    Sugar is not addictive. Some people might display compulsive eating behaviors, and may have a preference for sugary foods, but that doesn't mean it's addictive.

    same way millions of people responsibly enjoy drinking alcohol and are completely functional... and are not alcoholics- or even FUNCTIONAL alcoholics.

    I didn't say anything about being functional while on it.

    I asked about withdrawal. Alcohol withdrawal is a thing. Sugar withdrawal is not.

    actually yes you did- you said addiction takes place of all the essentials. If you are functional- it's not taking the place of food or sheltar- and plenty of people with addictions 'function' without giving up the 'essentials'. My best friend was a barely functional alcoholic. she couldn't make it through the week from Sunday to Friday without a drink- I remember her sitting on the floor of her room in college with the shakes.

    My roommate? completely functional (barely- as long as nothing goes wrong) alcoholic. holds a job.. pays the bills (sort of) got a DUI... still doesn't care- completely dellusional about his problem (although I've given up trying to be nice about it- I just tell him he's an alcoholic and no longer in the ha ha ha ha that's funny way) he'll kill a 12 pack between when he comes home at 7 AM and when he goes to bed around 5 PM. Completely 'functional'. Unless something goes wrong- then he's up s$$t creek. that's EXACTLY what you said and I say:

    bullhockey

    it is not just a matter of functionality- you can be completely addicted- and functional. and

    if you eat enough sugar regularly- you'll go through some sort of withdrawal- physical or mental.
  • tedrickp
    tedrickp Posts: 1,229 Member

    if you eat enough sugar regularly- you'll go through some sort of withdrawal- physical or mental.

    What is "enough"?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    If sugar is addictive, how do you explain the fact that millions or billions of people can eat it occasionally and not have any withdrawal symptoms when they don't eat any?

    Sugar is not addictive. Some people might display compulsive eating behaviors, and may have a preference for sugary foods, but that doesn't mean it's addictive.

    same way millions of people responsibly enjoy drinking alcohol and are completely functional... and are not alcoholics- or even FUNCTIONAL alcoholics.

    I didn't say anything about being functional while on it.

    I asked about withdrawal. Alcohol withdrawal is a thing. Sugar withdrawal is not.

    actually yes you did- you said addiction takes place of all the essentials.

    I think you are mistaking me for someone else.
  • PetulantOne
    PetulantOne Posts: 2,131 Member
    Mr White's got the blue stuff yo!

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    Yummy! I am referring to the picture of Jesse (guy on the left). I don't give a crap about the oreos. lol.

    Me too. I'm not a fan of oreos anyway.
  • inittoloose10
    inittoloose10 Posts: 11 Member
    Lets just say that there are no oreos in my house, not that anyone knows of anyhow,

    :)
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    People are way to quick to attribute compulsion or simple lack of will power to addiction IMO.

    Addiction actually is compulsion. Lack of will power begins the process towards addiction, but it is not addiction, in and of itself.

    Maybe things have changed since I worked in the field (was over 10 years ago so entirely possible) but there is/was a fine but distinct line between compulsion and addiction.

    Agree with you about lack of will power though and essentially that last part is what I was trying to convey...albeit less eloquently than you :drinker:

    You could be right. I have never worked in the psychology field. I have had some classes in psychology, and I'm a recovering addict, so I can't pretend to have a full understanding of the differences. But as I understand it, that by nature, compulsive behaviors and addiction both have a similar impact on the release of dopamine.

    I struggle a lot with the comparison between drug addiction and food addiction. For the most part, what people cite as food addiction really is just a lack of will power and individuals are using the term "food addiction" as an excuse for their behavior. As an addict who lost my home, my children, my marriage, and my family, individuals who compare their lack of will power to addiction are almost offensive. I took the stance for a long time that food addiction doesn't exist. But I have met individuals on this website who have taken the lack of will power with food to the point of addiction, severely endangering their lives, losing their mobility and simultaneously their livelihood, and putting their families through hell. I can easily see how their stories mimic my own.

    Food addiction is real. But physiologically and biochemically, it takes a lot to become addicted to food. Far more, than it takes to become addicted to narcotics.

    As has been said by others before me, if that rat isn't willing to give out handies for an Oreo, then its not addicted. LOL!
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    I truly find all the interest in trying to convince or prove to people that sugar is addicting is just an effort to deflect blame from personal accountability. To give the masses a scapegoat, "the man mad us fat!". That's really all I take from all the sugar fearmongering. Just another excuse to just be fat. Even if it was addictive, which I absolutely believe not to be the case, it's still a personal responsibility matter. Booze is legal (and cheap), are you an alcholic? Cigarettes are legal, do you smoke? These items have been proven to be addictive.

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