Are Oreos more addicting than cocaine/morphine?
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Damn I'm getting hungry.
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Thanks a lot OP. I've been Oreo clean for 10 years...months...days and silly comparisons of Oreo's and actual harmful drugs is my trigger. I just bought a sleeve (what we call it on the street) and I can't stop myself.
I think its about time for me to down a container of oreos
Mfp is just so triggering. How am I supposed to beat my Oreo addiction with threads like this around?0 -
No one sits around all day eating oreos until their life falls apart around them. There have been no instances back when sugar was a rare commodity (that I know of) where people killed so they could get their sugar fix. People who are seriously addicted to cocaine and heroin neglect to take care of themselves and that includes forgetting to eat. Even oreos.
Personal anecdote but my life got to this point. I almost lost my job because I was caught taking extra food from the cafeteria, my boss came into my office and found it piled with empty soda cups, all I looked forward to after work was coming home and eating, I ate until it hurt, I'd leave the trash on the floor, I wouldnt talk to family, my coworkers started to comment on my hygiene and honestly I'd stay up all night eating, playing on the computer barely roll out of bed with no time for a shower. My binges and how I would create them was all I would really think about, working for each paycheck it went to rent, gas, and food, I could easily blow $500 for one week of binge just on going out to fast food and purchasing groceries. My Mom cried in front of me when she finally came out to visit. She was disgusted at the house and the weight I had gained. I truly had spiraled out of control. She did help me, but I would continue to lie and hide my addiction.
I still have days when it literally hurts and I just want to binge so bad. I just want to hide myself and be with my food. The fight not to go back is tremendous it occurs with every meal, and if I dont fight then I easily fall back into addictive patterns (because food is the one substance you dont get to abstain from). Food numbs, it can take away pain, yes Virginia it is addictive.0 -
And they aren't looking for an excuse to be fat, da_bears1008. DBAA.
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Someone said that you don't see people out at 3am buying oreos to feed their addiction... Are you kidding me? Obviously you've never struggled with an eating disorder. Some hoard food or steal food. They lie to their families to protect their secret. They think about food all day long. The spend entire days alternating between bingeing and purging and doing nothing else. Do you know how expensive these binges can be? We're not talking a bag of oreos. Try 3 large pizzas, an entire cake, 2 packages of oreos, /and/ a dozen donuts. It can obviously take an impact on one's financial situation day after day. And for god's sake, I know I'm not the only bulimic who's eaten out of the garbage. That being said....
In my opinion, this is an eating disorder and not an addiction. The similarities are there on the outside, but they are NOT the same.
And they aren't looking for an excuse to be fat, da_bears1008. DBAA.
That's an eating disorder and NOT an addiction to any particular food or nutrient.0 -
Someone said that you don't see people out at 3am buying oreos to feed their addiction... Are you kidding me? Obviously you've never struggled with an eating disorder. Some hoard food or steal food. They lie to their families to protect their secret. They think about food all day long. The spend entire days alternating between bingeing and purging and doing nothing else. Do you know how expensive these binges can be? We're not talking a bag of oreos. Try 3 large pizzas, an entire cake, 2 packages of oreos, /and/ a dozen donuts. It can obviously take an impact on one's financial situation day after day. And for god's sake, I know I'm not the only bulimic who's eaten out of the garbage. That being said....
In my opinion, this is an eating disorder and not an addiction. The similarities are there on the outside, but they are NOT the same.
And they aren't looking for an excuse to be fat, da_bears1008. DBAA.
That's an eating disorder and NOT an addiction to any particular food or nutrient.
Yep, that's literally just what I said.0 -
Someone said that you don't see people out at 3am buying oreos to feed their addiction... Are you kidding me? Obviously you've never struggled with an eating disorder. Some hoard food or steal food. They lie to their families to protect their secret. They think about food all day long. The spend entire days alternating between bingeing and purging and doing nothing else. Do you know how expensive these binges can be? We're not talking a bag of oreos. Try 3 large pizzas, an entire cake, 2 packages of oreos, /and/ a dozen donuts. It can obviously take an impact on one's financial situation day after day. And for god's sake, I know I'm not the only bulimic who's eaten out of the garbage. That being said....
In my opinion, this is an eating disorder and not an addiction. The similarities are there on the outside, but they are NOT the same.
And they aren't looking for an excuse to be fat, da_bears1008. DBAA.
That's an eating disorder and NOT an addiction to any particular food or nutrient.
But both are compulsions.0 -
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Thanks a lot OP. I've been Oreo clean for 10 years...months...days and silly comparisons of Oreo's and actual harmful drugs is my trigger. I just bought a sleeve (what we call it on the street) and I can't stop myself.
I've got that hookup yo. Just PM me anytime.0 -
Hate to say this but if you have a addictiver personality such as I, yes sugar is addicting I cannot eat just one oreo. My wife bought a package of cookies once and in one sitting I ate the whole fricking package. Call it what you will but for myself all jokes aside I cannot have just one or two ore three the whole package is a start then I want to go to the store to get another. Some things I do not buy too often Cookies and Ice cream are at the top of the list. If I could eat in moderation I would not be here.
< Eats in moderation ..
had half a serving of gelato and a few cookie thins the other night no problem..
Moderation is the key to long term success...0 -
Hate to say this but if you have a addictiver personality such as I, yes sugar is addicting I cannot eat just one oreo. My wife bought a package of cookies once and in one sitting I ate the whole fricking package. Call it what you will but for myself all jokes aside I cannot have just one or two ore three the whole package is a start then I want to go to the store to get another. Some things I do not buy too often Cookies and Ice cream are at the top of the list. If I could eat in moderation I would not be here.
You're going to have to learn moderation sooner or later. Keep away from self defeatist attitudes like 'I have an addictive personality therefore I am helpless in the face of Oreos (or whatever).' JMHO of course.0 -
No one sits around all day eating oreos until their life falls apart around them. There have been no instances back when sugar was a rare commodity (that I know of) where people killed so they could get their sugar fix. People who are seriously addicted to cocaine and heroin neglect to take care of themselves and that includes forgetting to eat. Even oreos.
Personal anecdote but my life got to this point. I almost lost my job because I was caught taking extra food from the cafeteria, my boss came into my office and found it piled with empty soda cups, all I looked forward to after work was coming home and eating, I ate until it hurt, I'd leave the trash on the floor, I wouldnt talk to family, my coworkers started to comment on my hygiene and honestly I'd stay up all night eating, playing on the computer barely roll out of bed with no time for a shower. My binges and how I would create them was all I would really think about, working for each paycheck it went to rent, gas, and food, I could easily blow $500 for one week of binge just on going out to fast food and purchasing groceries. My Mom cried in front of me when she finally came out to visit. She was disgusted at the house and the weight I had gained. I truly had spiraled out of control. She did help me, but I would continue to lie and hide my addiction.
I still have days when it literally hurts and I just want to binge so bad. I just want to hide myself and be with my food. The fight not to go back is tremendous it occurs with every meal, and if I dont fight then I easily fall back into addictive patterns (because food is the one substance you dont get to abstain from). Food numbs, it can take away pain, yes Virginia it is addictive.
That sounds like an eating disorder to me, not an addiction. I'm sure you have already looked into this, but chemical imbalances in the brain have been strongly linked to eating disorders or may even be created by eating disorders.
Best wishes to you on your journey to health!0 -
No one sits around all day eating oreos until their life falls apart around them. There have been no instances back when sugar was a rare commodity (that I know of) where people killed so they could get their sugar fix. People who are seriously addicted to cocaine and heroin neglect to take care of themselves and that includes forgetting to eat. Even oreos.
Personal anecdote but my life got to this point. I almost lost my job because I was caught taking extra food from the cafeteria, my boss came into my office and found it piled with empty soda cups, all I looked forward to after work was coming home and eating, I ate until it hurt, I'd leave the trash on the floor, I wouldnt talk to family, my coworkers started to comment on my hygiene and honestly I'd stay up all night eating, playing on the computer barely roll out of bed with no time for a shower. My binges and how I would create them was all I would really think about, working for each paycheck it went to rent, gas, and food, I could easily blow $500 for one week of binge just on going out to fast food and purchasing groceries. My Mom cried in front of me when she finally came out to visit. She was disgusted at the house and the weight I had gained. I truly had spiraled out of control. She did help me, but I would continue to lie and hide my addiction.
I still have days when it literally hurts and I just want to binge so bad. I just want to hide myself and be with my food. The fight not to go back is tremendous it occurs with every meal, and if I dont fight then I easily fall back into addictive patterns (because food is the one substance you dont get to abstain from). Food numbs, it can take away pain, yes Virginia it is addictive.
you seem to lack the understanding of what addiction really is. Your problem is most likely due to coping mechanisms or even a neurological problem where satiety cannot be reached.0 -
The difference is that one is physical (Cocaine) and the other is emotional. The compulsion is treated differently. Eating is hard to control. anyone who has ever had a weight problem would agree. But a withdraw from drugs can be life threatening..0
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If you really honestly believe you have a sugar addiction that's equivalent to a heroin addiction, then you may as well leave MFP now, because this site can't save you and you're completely f'ed anyway.
Stop counting calories and enjoy what time you have left.
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The difference is that one is physical (Cocaine) and the other is emotional. The compulsion is treated differently. Eating is hard to control. anyone who has ever had a weight problem would agree. But a withdraw from drugs can be life threatening..
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No one sits around all day eating oreos until their life falls apart around them. There have been no instances back when sugar was a rare commodity (that I know of) where people killed so they could get their sugar fix. People who are seriously addicted to cocaine and heroin neglect to take care of themselves and that includes forgetting to eat. Even oreos.
Personal anecdote but my life got to this point. I almost lost my job because I was caught taking extra food from the cafeteria, my boss came into my office and found it piled with empty soda cups, all I looked forward to after work was coming home and eating, I ate until it hurt, I'd leave the trash on the floor, I wouldnt talk to family, my coworkers started to comment on my hygiene and honestly I'd stay up all night eating, playing on the computer barely roll out of bed with no time for a shower. My binges and how I would create them was all I would really think about, working for each paycheck it went to rent, gas, and food, I could easily blow $500 for one week of binge just on going out to fast food and purchasing groceries. My Mom cried in front of me when she finally came out to visit. She was disgusted at the house and the weight I had gained. I truly had spiraled out of control. She did help me, but I would continue to lie and hide my addiction.
I still have days when it literally hurts and I just want to binge so bad. I just want to hide myself and be with my food. The fight not to go back is tremendous it occurs with every meal, and if I dont fight then I easily fall back into addictive patterns (because food is the one substance you dont get to abstain from). Food numbs, it can take away pain, yes Virginia it is addictive.
you seem to lack the understanding of what addiction really is. Your problem is most likely due to coping mechanisms or even a neurological problem where satiety cannot be reached.
Most people abuse drugs and alcohol as a coping mechanism. Can't speak from the neurological aspect, but I suspect that type of condition is rare.0 -
No one sits around all day eating oreos until their life falls apart around them. There have been no instances back when sugar was a rare commodity (that I know of) where people killed so they could get their sugar fix. People who are seriously addicted to cocaine and heroin neglect to take care of themselves and that includes forgetting to eat. Even oreos.
Personal anecdote but my life got to this point. I almost lost my job because I was caught taking extra food from the cafeteria, my boss came into my office and found it piled with empty soda cups, all I looked forward to after work was coming home and eating, I ate until it hurt, I'd leave the trash on the floor, I wouldnt talk to family, my coworkers started to comment on my hygiene and honestly I'd stay up all night eating, playing on the computer barely roll out of bed with no time for a shower. My binges and how I would create them was all I would really think about, working for each paycheck it went to rent, gas, and food, I could easily blow $500 for one week of binge just on going out to fast food and purchasing groceries. My Mom cried in front of me when she finally came out to visit. She was disgusted at the house and the weight I had gained. I truly had spiraled out of control. She did help me, but I would continue to lie and hide my addiction.
I still have days when it literally hurts and I just want to binge so bad. I just want to hide myself and be with my food. The fight not to go back is tremendous it occurs with every meal, and if I dont fight then I easily fall back into addictive patterns (because food is the one substance you dont get to abstain from). Food numbs, it can take away pain, yes Virginia it is addictive.
you seem to lack the understanding of what addiction really is. Your problem is most likely due to coping mechanisms or even a neurological problem where satiety cannot be reached.
Most people abuse drugs and alcohol as a coping mechanism. Can't speak from the neurological aspect, but I suspect that type of condition is rare.
the thing is that there is an chemical addiction for drugs, this doesnt apply the same for food. its different.0 -
No. I am not too fond of them.
The Trader Joe's version of an Oreo though.... YUM.
My coworker literally just said the SAME thing an hour ago when I told him about this study... yes, we agree, their version is
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Where did he pull that lighter from?
Oh, and no.
LMAO!0 -
:laugh:The next hit series on HBO: Baking Bad.0
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Double stuffed oreos are more addicting than ANYTHING.
Don't try the Mega Stuffed ones then.0 -
There is no doubt in my mind that certain palatable foods can be addictive for certain individuals. From a neurobiological perspective, it makes sense.
Unfortunately and understandably, those who don't or have never experienced such a problem find it difficult to comprehend.
A few links (which could be typed into Pubmed, but I wanted to show the titles):
Berridge KC, Ho CY, Richard JM, DiFeliceantonio AG. The tempted brain eats: pleasure and desire circuits in obesity and eating disorders. Brain Res 2010; 1350:43–64.
Davis C, Curtis C, Levitan RD, et al. Evidence that ’food addiction’ is a valid phenotype of obesity. Appetite 2011
Liu Y, von Deneen KM, Kobeissy FH, Gold MS. Food addiction and obesity: evidence from bench to bedside. J Psychoactive Drugs 2011
Parylak SL, Koob GF, Zorrilla EP. The dark side of food addiction. Physiol Behav 2011; 104:149–156.
Avena NM, Rada P, Hoebel BG. Evidence for sugar addiction: behavioral and neurochemical effects of intermittent, excessive sugar intake. Neurosci Biobehav Rev 2008; 32:20–39
I have copied and pasted the following from this article: Sugar addiction: pushing the drug-sugar analogy to the limit.
Ahmed SH, Guillem K, Vandaele Y. Available: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144
The current global increase in obesity prevalence and the difficulty of containing it despite the negative consequences have recently led several researchers, mostly neuroscientists, to compare obesity to drug addiction [1–9,10[black small square],11] and palatable foods, particularly those high in added sugar (i.e., sucrose), to addictive drugs like cocaine [4,12–14]. Volkow – the current head of the American National Institute on Drug Abuse – and O’Brien [9] were among the first to suggest that the concept of addiction may shed some new light on obesity – an idea that has proven quite influential, as shown by the exponential rise of the use of the expression ‘food addiction’ (and related terms) in the biomedical and scientific literature ever since [15[black small square]]. In parallel, others have strongly argued that hyperpalatable foods rich in added sugar and/or fat could be genuinely addictive, at least in a significant proportion of exposed people [12,13]. One currently estimates that about 10–20% of people would present addiction-like symptoms toward hyperpalatable foods [16,17] – a proportion that is not different from the proportion of cocaine or heroin users who go on to develop addiction [18]. The widespread introduction of hyperpalatable foods during the 20th century could be likened to the introduction of distilled drinks (i.e., gins, whiskeys) in the 17th century or of injectable synthetic drugs at the end of the 19th century, each spurred its own addiction epidemics [19]. Finally, people are as ill prepared biologically to foods high in added sugar and/or fat, as they are to drugs in pure or highly concentrated form [4]. In this regard, the ubiquity, ready availability, and affordability of those foods make them a serious modern hazard to public health [1,10[black small square]].
However, although the concept of food and sugar addiction is gaining momentum, it is also currently a subject of intense debate and no solid evidence-based consensus has emerged yet [20–22,23[black small square],24[black small square][black small square]]. What is really at stake is, first, the drug-like status of some food ingredients, notably sugar, and, second, the relevance of the concept of addiction to understanding obesity. The latter issue has been recently discussed at length elsewhere, particularly the overlap in the neurobiological substrates between drug addiction and obesity [10[black small square],12,13,23[black small square]]. Here we will be mainly concerned with the strengths and limitations of the analogy between drugs of abuse and hyperpalatable foods, with a particular, although not exclusive, focus on foods or drinks containing high levels of added sugar (i.e., sucrose). The world history of sugar is not different from that of many psychoactive drugs, including cocaine. It initially began as a medicine for the rich and the powerful and ended up as a product of mass consumption [19]. Today, the ‘sweetening of the world's diet’ is almost total [25] and there is growing evidence linking increased sugar availability and consumption to overweight and obesity [26,27]."0 -
There is no doubt in my mind that certain palatable foods can be addictive for certain individuals. From a neurobiological perspective, it makes sense.
Unfortunately and understandably, those who don't or have never experienced such a problem find it difficult to comprehend.
A few links (which could be typed into Pubmed, but I wanted to show the titles):
Berridge KC, Ho CY, Richard JM, DiFeliceantonio AG. The tempted brain eats: pleasure and desire circuits in obesity and eating disorders. Brain Res 2010; 1350:43–64.
Davis C, Curtis C, Levitan RD, et al. Evidence that ’food addiction’ is a valid phenotype of obesity. Appetite 2011
Liu Y, von Deneen KM, Kobeissy FH, Gold MS. Food addiction and obesity: evidence from bench to bedside. J Psychoactive Drugs 2011
Parylak SL, Koob GF, Zorrilla EP. The dark side of food addiction. Physiol Behav 2011; 104:149–156.
Avena NM, Rada P, Hoebel BG. Evidence for sugar addiction: behavioral and neurochemical effects of intermittent, excessive sugar intake. Neurosci Biobehav Rev 2008; 32:20–39
I have copied and pasted the following from this article: Sugar addiction: pushing the drug-sugar analogy to the limit.
Ahmed SH, Guillem K, Vandaele Y. Available: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144
The current global increase in obesity prevalence and the difficulty of containing it despite the negative consequences have recently led several researchers, mostly neuroscientists, to compare obesity to drug addiction [1–9,10[black small square],11] and palatable foods, particularly those high in added sugar (i.e., sucrose), to addictive drugs like cocaine [4,12–14]. Volkow – the current head of the American National Institute on Drug Abuse – and O’Brien [9] were among the first to suggest that the concept of addiction may shed some new light on obesity – an idea that has proven quite influential, as shown by the exponential rise of the use of the expression ‘food addiction’ (and related terms) in the biomedical and scientific literature ever since [15[black small square]]. In parallel, others have strongly argued that hyperpalatable foods rich in added sugar and/or fat could be genuinely addictive, at least in a significant proportion of exposed people [12,13]. One currently estimates that about 10–20% of people would present addiction-like symptoms toward hyperpalatable foods [16,17] – a proportion that is not different from the proportion of cocaine or heroin users who go on to develop addiction [18]. The widespread introduction of hyperpalatable foods during the 20th century could be likened to the introduction of distilled drinks (i.e., gins, whiskeys) in the 17th century or of injectable synthetic drugs at the end of the 19th century, each spurred its own addiction epidemics [19]. Finally, people are as ill prepared biologically to foods high in added sugar and/or fat, as they are to drugs in pure or highly concentrated form [4]. In this regard, the ubiquity, ready availability, and affordability of those foods make them a serious modern hazard to public health [1,10[black small square]].
However, although the concept of food and sugar addiction is gaining momentum, it is also currently a subject of intense debate and no solid evidence-based consensus has emerged yet [20–22,23[black small square],24[black small square][black small square]]. What is really at stake is, first, the drug-like status of some food ingredients, notably sugar, and, second, the relevance of the concept of addiction to understanding obesity. The latter issue has been recently discussed at length elsewhere, particularly the overlap in the neurobiological substrates between drug addiction and obesity [10[black small square],12,13,23[black small square]]. Here we will be mainly concerned with the strengths and limitations of the analogy between drugs of abuse and hyperpalatable foods, with a particular, although not exclusive, focus on foods or drinks containing high levels of added sugar (i.e., sucrose). The world history of sugar is not different from that of many psychoactive drugs, including cocaine. It initially began as a medicine for the rich and the powerful and ended up as a product of mass consumption [19]. Today, the ‘sweetening of the world's diet’ is almost total [25] and there is growing evidence linking increased sugar availability and consumption to overweight and obesity [26,27]."
So what instrument are they using to determine the addictiveness of the foods?
What is the dependency?
The article you posted is highly controversial and right now sugar addiction is inconclusive.0 -
This is hilarious and the Baking Bad new series. Lmao.... And btw, pass the Oreos please.That study didn't show any such thing.
What it did demonstrate, however, is that rats make better choices than do human junkies.
Lol. This.
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Read the article and it will explain some of the methods used such as brain imaging, gene and protein expression studies, behavioral studies etc. I posted details from a review article for that very reason. It is controversial but there is a good deal of evidence to suggest that addiction to certain foods is highly likely in some individuals. I'm not certain why the strong opposition to the idea.
So what instrument are they using to determine the addictiveness of the foods?
What is the dependency?
The article you posted is highly controversial and right now sugar addiction is inconclusive.0 -
changed my mind, no baring my soul tonight.0
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Read the article and it will explain some of the methods used such as brain imaging, gene and protein expression studies, behavioral studies etc. I posted details from a review article for that very reason. It is controversial but there is a good deal of evidence to suggest that addiction to certain foods is highly likely in some individuals. I'm not certain why the strong opposition to the idea.
So what instrument are they using to determine the addictiveness of the foods?
What is the dependency?
The article you posted is highly controversial and right now sugar addiction is inconclusive.
so what will happen with the withdrawal of these particular foods?
brain imaging only does so much to see what addiction can cause. there. Alan Aragon has talked about the poorly controlled studies. Regardless, sugar and the any drug should not be compared. People have seen the similar effect of people who chronically exercise and release of dopamine, then they compare that to a "drug".
i understand it can exist in a few though0 -
The next hit series on HBO: Baking Bad.
^^FTW!! Starring Paula Dean.0
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