Scapegoat of this decade: Sugar.
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Saw it coming a mile away...........blog posts passed as sciencehttp://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2i6sECFfm
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diabetes/#axzz2i6sECFfm
Here are two articles that help explain why sugar isn't all that healthy for us. Mark's usually pretty good about linking to the studies he's referring to if you want to look at the actual science; he's just put it all together into one convenient place.
I do agree that it's wrong to demonize any food or say it's something you can never eat; I think the point of life isn't to live by a rigid list of foods you can and can't eat, but to be informed about what different foods do to your body and make the choices you want to and need to to live a happy and healthy life. Is sugar going to play a big role in that? Probably not; it DOES have a lot of drawbacks and not too many good points, but that doesn't mean it can't be a part of your life if that's what you want.
Really? A low-carb, paleo/primal propaganda site?
Propaganda, really? Is that what we call personal opinions based on scientific studies. Also, yes, they're blog posts, but did you notice the part where I specifically stated that there are usually links directly within the blog to the science it's based on? Are textbooks now propaganda simply because they are a bringing together of information in one easy to access place? At least read things before you start making unintelligent criticism.
I have. I've read many of his blogs and an entire one of his books. The guy is an idiot.
I've read all his books, used to spend all my free time his site and followed his plan for several months-I agree with you that he's a quack
He's no different than all the others out there pushing their man made, processed supplements while promoting them as 'clean' and 'natural.' The guy's selling stuff that people don't need while promoting a diet that's based on utter silliness. I regret I fell for it, because I ended up having nasty and embarrassing side effects eating primal/paleo. Live and learn!
Me too, until I knew better.
I'm pretty sure that even at the time I wouldn't have leapt on my high horse and accused others of not being familiar with the material if they questioned my source.
There was no high horse thank you; I know based on comments from many people that they don't know much about the lifestyle beyond the sound bite. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular so the fact that some people have in fact read the material doesn't make my statement any less true that many people bash the lifestyle based off of nothing but science and peer reviewed studies.
FIFY :flowerforyou:0 -
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2i6sECFfm
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diabetes/#axzz2i6sECFfm
Here are two articles that help explain why sugar isn't all that healthy for us. Mark's usually pretty good about linking to the studies he's referring to if you want to look at the actual science; he's just put it all together into one convenient place.
I do agree that it's wrong to demonize any food or say it's something you can never eat; I think the point of life isn't to live by a rigid list of foods you can and can't eat, but to be informed about what different foods do to your body and make the choices you want to and need to to live a happy and healthy life. Is sugar going to play a big role in that? Probably not; it DOES have a lot of drawbacks and not too many good points, but that doesn't mean it can't be a part of your life if that's what you want.
Here's a video explaining the fallacy behind paleo diets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG8 0 -
So the fact that some part of someone's life includes making money means that everything about their life, all their opinions and information, are crap? Well there's goes just about every single scientist, researcher, academic and doctor. They're all selling something, and according to your guys' logic, that means they're crackpots.
Honestly, have your opinions, everyone does, but rather than bashing someone else's, try these newfangled ideas called RESPECT and POLITENESS. Disagree politely, don't bash.
Honestly, these forums have gotten more and more unfriendly as time has gone on, and I'm finding it less and less useful to be here with people who'd rather spend their days laughing at others rather than having intelligent discussion. You can disagree with others and still be kind about it you know.
Ahh I see. A member of the don't hurt my feelings, disagree with, say anything I don't want to hear, participation trophy for everyone crowd. Disagreement =/= rudeness or disrespect.
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So the fact that some part of someone's life includes making money means that everything about their life, all their opinions and information, are crap? Well there's goes just about every single scientist, researcher, academic and doctor. They're all selling something, and according to your guys' logic, that means they're crackpots.
Honestly, have your opinions, everyone does, but rather than bashing someone else's, try these newfangled ideas called RESPECT and POLITENESS. Disagree politely, don't bash.
Honestly, these forums have gotten more and more unfriendly as time has gone on, and I'm finding it less and less useful to be here with people who'd rather spend their days laughing at others rather than having intelligent discussion. You can disagree with others and still be kind about it you know.
Ahh I see. A member of the don't hurt my feelings, disagree with, say anything I don't want to hear, participation trophy for everyone crowd.
Why can't you just be nice?0 -
Saw it coming a mile away...........blog posts passed as sciencehttp://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2i6sECFfm
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diabetes/#axzz2i6sECFfm
Here are two articles that help explain why sugar isn't all that healthy for us. Mark's usually pretty good about linking to the studies he's referring to if you want to look at the actual science; he's just put it all together into one convenient place.
I do agree that it's wrong to demonize any food or say it's something you can never eat; I think the point of life isn't to live by a rigid list of foods you can and can't eat, but to be informed about what different foods do to your body and make the choices you want to and need to to live a happy and healthy life. Is sugar going to play a big role in that? Probably not; it DOES have a lot of drawbacks and not too many good points, but that doesn't mean it can't be a part of your life if that's what you want.
Really? A low-carb, paleo/primal propaganda site?
Propaganda, really? Is that what we call personal opinions based on scientific studies. Also, yes, they're blog posts, but did you notice the part where I specifically stated that there are usually links directly within the blog to the science it's based on? Are textbooks now propaganda simply because they are a bringing together of information in one easy to access place? At least read things before you start making unintelligent criticism.
So this wasn't a continuation of the exchange, where you accuse someone of not reading, this was a general expression explaining that many people don't know much about paleo diets?
I'm pretty sure it's not just me, that doesn't seem to be how it reads.0 -
Honestly, have your opinions, everyone does, but rather than bashing someone else's, try these newfangled ideas called RESPECT and POLITENESS. Disagree politely, don't bash.
First you accuse someone of "making unintelligent criticism" and THEN you complain about a lack of respect and politeness?
:laugh:
Okee-doke...0 -
So the fact that some part of someone's life includes making money means that everything about their life, all their opinions and information, are crap? Well there's goes just about every single scientist, researcher, academic and doctor. They're all selling something, and according to your guys' logic, that means they're crackpots.
Honestly, have your opinions, everyone does, but rather than bashing someone else's, try these newfangled ideas called RESPECT and POLITENESS. Disagree politely, don't bash.
Honestly, these forums have gotten more and more unfriendly as time has gone on, and I'm finding it less and less useful to be here with people who'd rather spend their days laughing at others rather than having intelligent discussion. You can disagree with others and still be kind about it you know.
Ahh I see. A member of the don't hurt my feelings, disagree with, say anything I don't want to hear, participation trophy for everyone crowd.
Why can't you just be nice?
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Saw it coming a mile away...........blog posts passed as sciencehttp://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2i6sECFfm
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diabetes/#axzz2i6sECFfm
Here are two articles that help explain why sugar isn't all that healthy for us. Mark's usually pretty good about linking to the studies he's referring to if you want to look at the actual science; he's just put it all together into one convenient place.
I do agree that it's wrong to demonize any food or say it's something you can never eat; I think the point of life isn't to live by a rigid list of foods you can and can't eat, but to be informed about what different foods do to your body and make the choices you want to and need to to live a happy and healthy life. Is sugar going to play a big role in that? Probably not; it DOES have a lot of drawbacks and not too many good points, but that doesn't mean it can't be a part of your life if that's what you want.
Really? A low-carb, paleo/primal propaganda site?
Propaganda, really? Is that what we call personal opinions based on scientific studies. Also, yes, they're blog posts, but did you notice the part where I specifically stated that there are usually links directly within the blog to the science it's based on? Are textbooks now propaganda simply because they are a bringing together of information in one easy to access place? At least read things before you start making unintelligent criticism.
I have. I've read many of his blogs and an entire one of his books. The guy is an idiot.
I've read all his books, used to spend all my free time his site and followed his plan for several months-I agree with you that he's a quack He's no different than all the others out there pushing their man made, processed supplements while promoting them as 'clean' and 'natural.' The guy's selling stuff that people don't need while promoting a diet that's based on utter silliness. I regret I fell for it, because I ended up having nasty and embarrassing side effects eating primal/paleo. Live and learn!
Me too, until I knew better.
I'm pretty sure that even at the time I wouldn't have leapt on my high horse and accused others of not being familiar with the material if they questioned my source.
Lots of us had silly ideas when we started out. But, then we learned and moved on. I'm grateful to those on MFP who didn't say "good job!", or "great idea!" to every dumb thing that I might have fallen for.0 -
Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot0
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So the fact that some part of someone's life includes making money means that everything about their life, all their opinions and information, are crap? Well there's goes just about every single scientist, researcher, academic and doctor. They're all selling something, and according to your guys' logic, that means they're crackpots.
Scientists/researchers/academics sell their skills and knowledge to do more research and figure out what's actually happening in any given situation. That's the idea at least.
It's different when someone starts with a conclusion, figures out a way to market it, then handpicks others' studies that back up the conclusion while ignoring all of the ones that directly refute it.
There are also many who start as academics or scientists who get tired of applying for grants, publishing in journals and lecturing grad students and would rather write NY Times best sellers, be friends with Oprah and get on TV.0 -
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Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
About how he managed to lose so much weight, yes, yes it does. :flowerforyou:0 -
What does it explain?Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
That he has made his point?0 -
Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
Oh? Care to expand on that? What does it explain? Aside from hitting all of my weight and health goals for several years now, while eating what I want.0 -
Been here almost 2-1/2 years and says sugar is not bad:
Been here over 2-1/2 years and says sugar is bad:
Am I the only one who notices tickers?0 -
Pumpkin ice cream and pumpkin pop tarts?Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
About how he managed to lose so much weight, yes, yes it does. :flowerforyou:
Look at my diary too. Ice cream EVERYDAY! And I've lost 121lbs. What's it supposed to explain? 0 -
Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
Oh? Care to expand on that? What does it explain? Aside from hitting all of my weight and health goals for several years now, while eating what I want.
You know what would really help convince her? More shirtless pics. Also I would forgive you for not being nice.
And for the way your body produces lactase. But I'm gonna need a LOT of shirtless pics for that last one.0 -
Saw it coming a mile away...........blog posts passed as sciencehttp://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2i6sECFfm
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diabetes/#axzz2i6sECFfm
Here are two articles that help explain why sugar isn't all that healthy for us. Mark's usually pretty good about linking to the studies he's referring to if you want to look at the actual science; he's just put it all together into one convenient place.
I do agree that it's wrong to demonize any food or say it's something you can never eat; I think the point of life isn't to live by a rigid list of foods you can and can't eat, but to be informed about what different foods do to your body and make the choices you want to and need to to live a happy and healthy life. Is sugar going to play a big role in that? Probably not; it DOES have a lot of drawbacks and not too many good points, but that doesn't mean it can't be a part of your life if that's what you want.
Really? A low-carb, paleo/primal propaganda site?
Propaganda, really? Is that what we call personal opinions based on scientific studies. Also, yes, they're blog posts, but did you notice the part where I specifically stated that there are usually links directly within the blog to the science it's based on? Are textbooks now propaganda simply because they are a bringing together of information in one easy to access place? At least read things before you start making unintelligent criticism.
I have. I've read many of his blogs and an entire one of his books. The guy is an idiot.
I've read all his books, used to spend all my free time his site and followed his plan for several months-I agree with you that he's a quack He's no different than all the others out there pushing their man made, processed supplements while promoting them as 'clean' and 'natural.' The guy's selling stuff that people don't need while promoting a diet that's based on utter silliness. I regret I fell for it, because I ended up having nasty and embarrassing side effects eating primal/paleo. Live and learn!
If you had "nasty and embarrassing side effects eating primal/paleo"...
...you were doing it wrong.
Note, I'm not saying that primal/paleo is necessary or even optimal for effective weight management or health...
...but done correctly, there shouldn't be any side effects.
ETA: That said, I still agree w/ magerum.0 -
Pumpkin ice cream and pumpkin pop tarts?Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
About how he managed to lose so much weight, yes, yes it does. :flowerforyou: Look at my diary too. Ice cream EVERYDAY! And I've lost 121lbs. What's it supposed to explain?
That you guys rock, and have figured out how to lose weight healthily, without cutting out the things you love.
And that therefore we should listen to you with an open mind at least. :drinker:0 -
Been here almost 2-1/2 years and says sugar is not bad:
Been here over 2-1/2 years and says sugar is bad:
Am I the only one who notices tickers?0 -
Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
It explains why I seethe in jealousy every time I see his name. Seethe.
Other than that, can't imagine what you mean. Unless you're jealous too?0 -
Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
Serious?
I hope you meant that in a positive context and not a negative context.
158lbs is a great accomplishment.
Before my pregnancy I lost 70lbs. My diet consisted of a scale and measuring cup. Because my self destructive mindset I couldn't make any food bad.0 -
There are also many who start as academics or scientists who get tired of applying for grants, publishing in journals and lecturing grad students and would rather write NY Times best sellers, be friends with Oprah and get on TV.
We call those scientists brilliant0 -
Just looked at OP's diary - it explains a lot
Oh? Care to expand on that? What does it explain? Aside from hitting all of my weight and health goals for several years now, while eating what I want.
For me it explain that magerum is a beast. I want to be his metabolism when I grow up.0 -
Regardless if it is a scapegoat or not, maybe the negative press will lead to more personal accountability? Unlikely I know given the devil taint that the media loves to add for ratings., but hopefully. The recent show on CBC could have been so much more useful. I think the parents at the beginning were a real sign of how clueless most are (or want to be because crap is so yummy).0
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Meh. The CBC is a nepotistic clusterfark of poor journalism.Regardless if it is a scapegoat or not, maybe the negative press will lead to more personal accountability? Unlikely I know given the devil taint that the media loves to add for ratings., but hopefully. The recent show on CBC could have been so much more useful. I think the parents at the beginning were a real sign of how clueless most are (or want to be because crap is so yummy).0 -
If sugar were magically made into an impossible molecule and there was no more sugar ever in the world, would there be any impact to the health and/or weight of human beings? I don't know, but I suspect there might be.0
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If sugar were magically made into an impossible molecule and there was no more sugar ever in the world, would there be any impact to the health and/or weight of human beings? I don't know, but I suspect there might be.
yes and not in a good way since our bodies NEED sugar. :noway:0 -
If sugar were magically made into an impossible molecule and there was no more sugar ever in the world, would there be any impact to the health and/or weight of human beings? I don't know, but I suspect there might be.
It would certainly impact my mental health.0 -
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