To the mean people of MFP... You can say "I told you so"
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Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
The point of this was not to flash my success either.... but thank you for all of the props everyone!!!!!! The point is that some people just don't not eat enough.0 -
Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
The point of this was not to flash my success either.... but thank you for all of the props everyone!!!!!! The point is that some people just don't not eat enough.
Everyone's body and lifestyle is different and the amount of calories that your body needs is different for everyone. I think people just need to do a little more research before they start eating 1200 calories a day.0 -
Rock on! Keep up the great work!0
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Hooray! :drinker:0
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YAY!!!!!0
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Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
The point of this was not to flash my success either.... but thank you for all of the props everyone!!!!!! The point is that some people just don't not eat enough.
"Starvation mode". LOL. :laugh:
Funny thing about starvation mode: It only happens to people who are literally starving. Another funny thing about people who are starving: They lose dramatic amounts of weight. So yeah, Average Gal With Overweight BMI? She's not in "starvation mode". :bigsmile:0 -
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Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
The point of this was not to flash my success either.... but thank you for all of the props everyone!!!!!! The point is that some people just don't not eat enough.
Oh, sorry I care. THE MATH MUST ADD UP. Occupational hazard, I guess.
I agree with what you are saying, but starvation mode (aka a lowered BMR from prolonged VLCD) is not corrected in one week.0 -
I'm pretty sure the whole eating more to lose more thing isn't actually about starvation mode, I am pretty sure it is about the fact that if you do end up eating below your BMR then you just don't really have the energy. You might be working out but you aren't giving it the gusto it needs to be effective. By eating a higher amount (but still at a deficit) you have more energy which allows you to have more effective workouts, maybe even longer durations of time. I think it's basically a matter of providing enough energy to get the work done!!!
That's just what I've grasped from what I've read and experienced. I don't really think it's starvation mode per se.0 -
Why would it stop if I am in a deficit?
This is what I have been thinking the whole time. The deficit is simple math that will determine, roughly, how many pounds are destined to come off, at least pounds that contain energy.
I understand it's a good idea to eat (nearly) enough to fuel your body, as in use a TDEE-20% kind of approach for losing weight. The difference comes from energy stored in your body (hopefully fat).
I think maybe what is at work in situations like these where people report suddenly losing weight after a plateau is the "whoosh." I think Lyle McD talks about this effect in one of his articles. Sometimes a "refeed" is enough to break through a plateau. I don't know if there is a whole lot studied on refeeds, but there seems to be a lot of anecdotal evidence. For what it's worth...0 -
Also, YAY OP for kickin booty!!! keep up the good work, girl!!! ^___^0
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Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point....
I know - it's great that you're losing! I just mean the (known) rules about science (physiology in this case) are underpinned by maths. Maths is our FRIEND, here.
I didn't mean to rain on your parade, I just have a thing about maths. It's not a healthy thing, either. My apologies. :flowerforyou:0 -
Probably just a measurement error. But hey, if OP is happier eating more, good for her.0
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Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
The point of this was not to flash my success either.... but thank you for all of the props everyone!!!!!! The point is that some people just don't not eat enough.
"Starvation mode". LOL. :laugh:
Funny thing about starvation mode: It only happens to people who are literally starving. Another funny thing about people who are starving: They lose dramatic amounts of weight. So yeah, Average Gal With Overweight BMI? She's not in "starvation mode". :bigsmile:
Ouch. Bit rude? No need to mock people.0 -
Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
The point of this was not to flash my success either.... but thank you for all of the props everyone!!!!!! The point is that some people just don't not eat enough.
Oh, sorry I care. THE MATH MUST ADD UP. Occupational hazard, I guess.
I agree with what you are saying, but starvation mode (aka a lowered BMR from prolonged VLCD) is not corrected in one week.
I don't know. Have there been that many studies of it in humans? I don't think we understand the mechanisms through which the body lowers and raises metabolism in the kind of detail necessary for the math to be completely solid. There could be a wide range of individual differences in humans, imho.
The animal studies tend to use genetically-similar subjects when trying to mimic obesity or very high-metabolism individuals in humans. (The special populations show the metabolism traits they need for the studies). There could be selection bias in so many of the good studies we see, but that's understandable, of course.0 -
I can't respond for the OP - only for myself. In my case I WAS at a deficit at 1200 and below (of course). I wanted to lift weights and I really wanted to run. After 3 months eating this low, I could not do it anymore. I was hungry all the time and had no energy to exercise at all.
Upping my calories slowly, allowed me to see over time, how high I could go before I maintained. It took me about 6 weeks to see that even at 1800 I was still losing. I had a lot of weight to lose and I knew there was no way I could cut from 1200 calories. It's a slow process and I'm sure I would have lost like crazy at 1200 calories, but on top of everything else - my hair was starting to fall out too.
The thing is I didn't have to. I am able to lose at 1800, lift heavy weights 3x a week & run a couple of days. This is my experience. I can not speak for anyone else - except to say that you should try it. Our bodies were not made to run on 1200 calories.
Were you eating exercise calories back, when you were at 1,200 calories?
MFP added them into my daily totals, but I still didn't eat enough. Most days I was under 1200 by 100 or so.
ETA: All the posters wondering what number of calories they can eat - it is not the same for everyone. I tracked everything for 6 - 8 weeks. I upped my calories very slowly and tracked my exercise with an HRM. I did this every day and I weighed every day. All this went into a graph and although my weight would fluctuate the trend was still going down. I'm sure there are tests that can help you find these numbers , but not something I would spend $$ on. So I did it the hard way. I still track all this stuff after a year. Just because I like seeing it over time.0 -
Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
Well... that sounds like an oversimplification. Your BMR would slow down by a small percentage, but it doesn't stop, as that statement would imply. At any rate, I'm going to take a leap to say such a thing wasn't at work here.
I get your point about some people not eating enough. A diet that is a lifestyle and can be adhered to is one that will have calories closest to maintenance. I believe it is generally healthier to go about this journey slowly and steadily.
But the math... it has to add up somehow. It's super important. It's the basis of MFP and any solid method of weight management. I'd be curious to find out what your weight does over the next month or two as you stick to a higher calorie level.0 -
Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
Well... that sounds like an oversimplification. Your BMR would slow down by a small percentage, but it doesn't stop, as that statement would imply. At any rate, I'm going to take a leap to say such a thing wasn't at work here.
I get your point about some people not eating enough. A diet that is a lifestyle and can be adhered to is one that will have calories closest to maintenance. I believe it is generally healthier to go about this journey slowly and steadily.
But the math... it has to add up somehow. It's super important. It's the basis of MFP and any solid method of weight management. I'd be curious to find out what your weight does over the next month or two as you stick to a higher calorie level.
It does add up. See earlier posts. I've been losing weight doing what the OP has done. Several of my other MFP friends have too. I know different things work for different people, different methods etc and it's not a one size fits all, however, it is a method that has and does work.
ETA: See in a place of a road map that she posted. That may give a better example.0 -
Who cares if the math adds up or not?? That is not the point.... the point is that some people just don't eat enough. I was told by my dietitian that if your body goes into starvation mode it will hold onto everything for dear life... literally.
Well... that sounds like an oversimplification. Your BMR would slow down by a small percentage, but it doesn't stop, as that statement would imply. At any rate, I'm going to take a leap to say such a thing wasn't at work here.
I get your point about some people not eating enough. A diet that is a lifestyle and can be adhered to is one that will have calories closest to maintenance. I believe it is generally healthier to go about this journey slowly and steadily.
But the math... it has to add up somehow. It's super important. It's the basis of MFP and any solid method of weight management. I'd be curious to find out what your weight does over the next month or two as you stick to a higher calorie level.
It does add up. See earlier posts. I've been losing weight doing what the OP has done. Several of my other MFP friends have too. I know different things work for different people, different methods etc and it's not a one size fits all, however, it is a method that has and does work.
ETA: See in a place of a road map that she posted. That may give a better example.
I'm just saying the math has to add up. I'm not saying hers doesn't, because I didn't crunch her numbers myself to find out if they did. I know there are different ways to go about this, but it always has and always will come back to calories in/out. Energy accounting.0 -
I told you so.0
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Why would it stop if I am in a deficit?
I think maybe what is at work in situations like these where people report suddenly losing weight after a plateau is the "whoosh." I think Lyle McD talks about this effect in one of his articles. Sometimes a "refeed" is enough to break through a plateau. I don't know if there is a whole lot studied on refeeds, but there seems to be a lot of anecdotal evidence. For what it's worth...
Hmmm. Perhaps this is what happened in my case.0 -
your body needs 1200 just to function....so do i die if i go lower?0
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your body needs 1200 just to function....so do i die if i go lower?
Yes. You also die if you go higher. It's kind of a lose/lose situation we're all in.
All the best! :drinker:0 -
Bump!0
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I'm pretty sure the whole eating more to lose more thing isn't actually about starvation mode, I am pretty sure it is about the fact that if you do end up eating below your BMR then you just don't really have the energy. You might be working out but you aren't giving it the gusto it needs to be effective. By eating a higher amount (but still at a deficit) you have more energy which allows you to have more effective workouts, maybe even longer durations of time. I think it's basically a matter of providing enough energy to get the work done!!!
That's just what I've grasped from what I've read and experienced. I don't really think it's starvation mode per se.
Yep. Furthermore, some people are much more susceptible to this than others.
Also, some people (not necessarily the OP!) who are "failing to lose" at quite low calorie counts and then begin losing at higher calorie counts do so because they are tracking more days a week/going less overboard at "cheat meals"/sneaking fewer "just a taste, doesn't need to track"/in general demonstrating better adherence.0 -
I'm pretty sure the whole eating more to lose more thing isn't actually about starvation mode, I am pretty sure it is about the fact that if you do end up eating below your BMR then you just don't really have the energy. You might be working out but you aren't giving it the gusto it needs to be effective. By eating a higher amount (but still at a deficit) you have more energy which allows you to have more effective workouts, maybe even longer durations of time. I think it's basically a matter of providing enough energy to get the work done!!!
That's just what I've grasped from what I've read and experienced. I don't really think it's starvation mode per se.
Yep. Furthermore, some people are much more susceptible to this than others.
Also, some people (not necessarily the OP!) who are "failing to lose" at quite low calorie counts and then begin losing at higher calorie counts do so because they are tracking more days a week/going less overboard at "cheat meals"/sneaking fewer "just a taste, doesn't need to track"/in general demonstrating better adherence.
Once again, I can not speak for the OP, but only for myself. When I was eating at 1200 cals I had perfect adherence. I was afraid to eat anything over my cal limit. When I upped calories I loosened up a bit. I eat treats again as long as they fit into my 1800 cals. I eat the foods I love again - if they fit in my day. I have never been one to indulge in cheat meals. Especially now that I am eating the foods I enjoy. I have tracked for over 17 months consistently - every day. It's the only way I know that this really works.0 -
Congrats on your success!0
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Ugh...just hired a trainer and they are telling me to not eat back the calories...time will tell...
I can't allow myself to work my butt off and burn 1,000 calories in a day, and then eat them back. All of that hard work for nothing. The whole concept of dieting is to eat less and/or exercise more. Not exercise more annnd eat more. I'll stick with what has worked for ages and what is working for me right now.0 -
Ugh...just hired a trainer and they are telling me to not eat back the calories...time will tell...
I can't allow myself to work my butt off and burn 1,000 calories in a day, and then eat them back. All of that hard work for nothing. The whole concept of dieting is to eat less and/or exercise more. Not exercise more annnd eat more. I'll stick with what has worked for ages and what is working for me right now.
As long as you realize that this is NOT the way MFP is set up to work.0 -
so you are saying starvation diets, ketones, and detoxes are not the way to go????0
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