Extra cals not working despite patience= hmmmm!

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  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    I'm 44, and 5'8", and for me 1600 calories is MAINTENANCE TDEE at my goal weight. And if I miscalculate by even 50 calories, I'm at calorie surplus. Not doing it.

    Honestly, why do people act like 1200 calories is starvation? I'm not starving.
    It has more to do with the fact that nearly 90% of women who start their journey on MFP are given a 1200 calorie net intake regardless of their actual starting weight and goals. Statistically speaking, this implies that there is a good portion of the population pursuing deficits larger than needed. When 9/10 women are given a 1200 net intake, it doesn't exactly support the mantra, "Everyone is different."

    Ah, you must be male.

    Guess what? Women tend to be shorter and less massive than men. Women have slower resting metabolism than men. Women can't eat as many calories as men if they want to lose weight, not unless they want to run themselves ragged with exercise. So yeah, if you're a woman who is a) on the short side, or b) on the more mature side) or c) on the sedentary side, MFP is probably going to throw you into the 1200 calorie end of the pool. And if you meet more than one of those criteria, well, you're definitely going to be Team Twelve Hundred. Why? Probably because that's the arbitrary lower limit allowed by the software. It's not terribly mysterious. I know people would love the fantasy of being able to lose weight while eating massive quantities, but isn't that how we all ended up needing to lose weight in the first place? :huh:

    <----woman.5'9. 145. Maintains on 2400/day. Would kill and eat the neighbors at 1200/day.

    Ah, so you're on the tall side. And you're not exactly thin as a rail if you're 145 lbs. You're an inch taller than me, and 6 pounds heavier, so we're probably similar enough at the moment. And if you're maintaining at 2400 a day, you're either young, or you exercise a fair amount, or both. How am I doing with my precognition?

    Wait a minute. Are you insinuating that someone at 5 9" and 145lbs is in any way overweight?

    There is a lot of room between "skinny as a rail" and "overweight". There's that whole middle ground of "healthy weight", "rocking some curves" etc.

    No idea why you mentioned it then. *shrugs*

    I only mentioned it to confuse you, so, mission accomplished, I guess. :devil:
  • AllonsYtotheTardis
    AllonsYtotheTardis Posts: 16,947 Member
    I'm 44, and 5'8", and for me 1600 calories is MAINTENANCE TDEE at my goal weight. And if I miscalculate by even 50 calories, I'm at calorie surplus. Not doing it.

    Honestly, why do people act like 1200 calories is starvation? I'm not starving.
    It has more to do with the fact that nearly 90% of women who start their journey on MFP are given a 1200 calorie net intake regardless of their actual starting weight and goals. Statistically speaking, this implies that there is a good portion of the population pursuing deficits larger than needed. When 9/10 women are given a 1200 net intake, it doesn't exactly support the mantra, "Everyone is different."

    Ah, you must be male.

    Guess what? Women tend to be shorter and less massive than men. Women have slower resting metabolism than men. Women can't eat as many calories as men if they want to lose weight, not unless they want to run themselves ragged with exercise. So yeah, if you're a woman who is a) on the short side, or b) on the more mature side) or c) on the sedentary side, MFP is probably going to throw you into the 1200 calorie end of the pool. And if you meet more than one of those criteria, well, you're definitely going to be Team Twelve Hundred. Why? Probably because that's the arbitrary lower limit allowed by the software. It's not terribly mysterious. I know people would love the fantasy of being able to lose weight while eating massive quantities, but isn't that how we all ended up needing to lose weight in the first place? :huh:

    <----woman.5'9. 145. Maintains on 2400/day. Would kill and eat the neighbors at 1200/day.

    Ah, so you're on the tall side. And you're not exactly thin as a rail if you're 145 lbs. You're an inch taller than me, and 6 pounds heavier, so we're probably similar enough at the moment. And if you're maintaining at 2400 a day, you're either young, or you exercise a fair amount, or both. How am I doing with my precognition?

    I'm 5'3 and while lifting only 3 days a week (so less than 3 hours of exercise a week) lost over a pound a week at 1725 calories. This puts my maintenance around 2100-2200 calories. I was also sedentary (for real sedentary, as in unemployed and cruising the internet all day.) So I hit 2 of 3 of those points.


    I suppose I'm just lucky.

    Not lucky, just young. Try doing that 20 years from now. I'll wait. :devil:

    I am 46 years old. I maintain at about that also.

    I'm 41 - I also would maintain at about that. And I'm short. 5'2"
  • Hezzietiger1
    Hezzietiger1 Posts: 1,256 Member
    Eat less. You will always lose WEIGHT at a calorie deficit. If you are not losing WEIGHT you are not eating at a deficit.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    I'm 44, and 5'8", and for me 1600 calories is MAINTENANCE TDEE at my goal weight. And if I miscalculate by even 50 calories, I'm at calorie surplus. Not doing it.

    Honestly, why do people act like 1200 calories is starvation? I'm not starving.
    It has more to do with the fact that nearly 90% of women who start their journey on MFP are given a 1200 calorie net intake regardless of their actual starting weight and goals. Statistically speaking, this implies that there is a good portion of the population pursuing deficits larger than needed. When 9/10 women are given a 1200 net intake, it doesn't exactly support the mantra, "Everyone is different."

    Ah, you must be male.

    Guess what? Women tend to be shorter and less massive than men. Women have slower resting metabolism than men. Women can't eat as many calories as men if they want to lose weight, not unless they want to run themselves ragged with exercise. So yeah, if you're a woman who is a) on the short side, or b) on the more mature side) or c) on the sedentary side, MFP is probably going to throw you into the 1200 calorie end of the pool. And if you meet more than one of those criteria, well, you're definitely going to be Team Twelve Hundred. Why? Probably because that's the arbitrary lower limit allowed by the software. It's not terribly mysterious. I know people would love the fantasy of being able to lose weight while eating massive quantities, but isn't that how we all ended up needing to lose weight in the first place? :huh:

    <----woman.5'9. 145. Maintains on 2400/day. Would kill and eat the neighbors at 1200/day.

    Ah, so you're on the tall side. And you're not exactly thin as a rail if you're 145 lbs. You're an inch taller than me, and 6 pounds heavier, so we're probably similar enough at the moment. And if you're maintaining at 2400 a day, you're either young, or you exercise a fair amount, or both. How am I doing with my precognition?

    I'm 5'3 and while lifting only 3 days a week (so less than 3 hours of exercise a week) lost over a pound a week at 1725 calories. This puts my maintenance around 2100-2200 calories. I was also sedentary (for real sedentary, as in unemployed and cruising the internet all day.) So I hit 2 of 3 of those points.


    I suppose I'm just lucky.

    Not lucky, just young. Try doing that 20 years from now. I'll wait. :devil:

    I am 46 years old. I maintain at about that also.

    I'm 41 - I also would maintain at about that. And I'm short. 5'2"

    You must be extremely active! Having 2 of the 3 factors isn't enough!

    Or something.
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,145 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
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  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
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    OP has already been addressed, really. Until she logs accurately there is literally nothing anyone can do or say beyond "Log accurately"
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
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    I aim to please. :flowerforyou: Oh wait, no, that's not it... :devil:
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,145 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
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    OP has already been addressed, really. Until she logs accurately there is literally nothing anyone can do or say beyond "Log accurately"

    I know OP's been answered several times, but the off-track arguing is a joy bonus for me.
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
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    OP has already been addressed, really. Until she logs accurately there is literally nothing anyone can do or say beyond "Log accurately"

    On that, we agree! :flowerforyou:
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    OH

    Plus the op was eating 800 cals a day - so yeah - I think they should eat more

    No. OP thinks she was eating this much. But she's not logging.

    I think the chances of anyone not losing weight at 800 calories a day are slim to ridiculous.

    I know, right? No one ever thinks that people are reporting their calorie intake inaccurately, they just go straight to shoving more food at you. I think they just want people to fail. :huh:

    Which is why we said - BUY A SCALE AND LOG.

    you are being deliberately obtuse - so I'm out.

    I gave the op good advice,

    You said "eat less" despite the op not knowing what she is logging - ironic much :noway:

    I don't have to know how much she's eating. If she's not losing weight, she's eating too many calories.

    So let me ask this, you don't believe that eating a severe calorie deficit over time, will damage your metabolic function cause weight loss stalls or even sometimes gains? Just curious?

    If you can gain weight while eating at a calorie deficit, you're a miracle of modern science. And this "starvation mode" you're talking about is something that happens to people who are LITERALLY STARVING, not slightly overzealous dieters. :huh:

    You didn't completely answer the question I asked.... My definition of starvation mode has absolutely nothing to do with starving kids in Africa and everything to to with eating in a severe calorie deficit WILL overtime time cause Metabolic damage.... Would you not agree?? (Just so we are perfectly clear here I am referring to the metabolic damage cause from eating at a unsustainable calorie deficit over a extended period of time.... Just to be clear.....:flowerforyou:

    Humans are remarkably durable. Your metabolism is really hard to break. And I haven't seen anything conclusive to prove the thesis that people can gain weight while eating at a calorie deficit. And it's funny how nebulous this "metabolic damage" is. Why don't you give us the complete breakdown of all the biological processes involved, Dr. Eatmore?

    It seems pretty evident to me (and I believe studies exist that support this) that people who eat at a large deficit are not nearly as active as those who eat at a reasonable deficit...perhaps not on any given day, but over time, at a substantially different level. It isn't "metabolism" that is the big difference (although I suspect that will eventually decrease as well), but overall calorie burned.

    I also believe people who eat at a reasonable deficit are nicer, friendlier, better looking...just intrinsically better people, but that's just my personal opinion and may not be supported by science. :flowerforyou:

    For those of us who eschew exercise, a dramatic calorie deficit is really the only game in town. Exercise is tiresome and boring. Hate it. I still want to lose weight though, so I hitched my wagon to good ol' fashion calorie deficit. I think the results speak for themselves. :flowerforyou:

    This sounds remarkably unhealthy to me. Why would you intentionally avoid all forms of exercise?

    ETA: And more importantly, why would you preach this seemingly unhealthy approach to others?

    What part of "boring and tiresome" wasn't clear? Exercise isn't everyone's cup of tea, but the overall health benefits of weight management shouldn't be the sole province of the sweat-stained master race of MFP. :glasses:

    I suppose you equate "exercise" with "working out in a gym"? Or are you saying that all forms of movement are "boring and tiresome"?

    I...I just...

    *sigh*

    I would say more...but I'm so dumbfounded that someone would be averse to *all* forms of "exercise" that...I have nothing more to say to you...

    ...and will instead focus on the other 98.44% of people who haven't concluded that all forms of exercise are too "boring and tiresome" regardless of the many benefits it provides (and that most find a form of exercise that is not boring or tiresome).
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
    tumblr_mtuj36aMBR1sj3oxho1_250.gif

    OP has already been addressed, really. Until she logs accurately there is literally nothing anyone can do or say beyond "Log accurately"

    I know OP's been answered several times, but the off-track arguing is a joy bonus for me.

    Don't just be a spectator, participate! Typing vitriol burns calories. :bigsmile:
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    In to find later. I love reading arguments that are so far from OP it's laughable.
    tumblr_mtuj36aMBR1sj3oxho1_250.gif

    OP has already been addressed, really. Until she logs accurately there is literally nothing anyone can do or say beyond "Log accurately"

    On that, we agree! :flowerforyou:

    Add another agreeing to that!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I'm 44, and 5'8", and for me 1600 calories is MAINTENANCE TDEE at my goal weight. And if I miscalculate by even 50 calories, I'm at calorie surplus. Not doing it.

    Honestly, why do people act like 1200 calories is starvation? I'm not starving.
    It has more to do with the fact that nearly 90% of women who start their journey on MFP are given a 1200 calorie net intake regardless of their actual starting weight and goals. Statistically speaking, this implies that there is a good portion of the population pursuing deficits larger than needed. When 9/10 women are given a 1200 net intake, it doesn't exactly support the mantra, "Everyone is different."

    Ah, you must be male.

    Guess what? Women tend to be shorter and less massive than men. Women have slower resting metabolism than men. Women can't eat as many calories as men if they want to lose weight, not unless they want to run themselves ragged with exercise. So yeah, if you're a woman who is a) on the short side, or b) on the more mature side) or c) on the sedentary side, MFP is probably going to throw you into the 1200 calorie end of the pool. And if you meet more than one of those criteria, well, you're definitely going to be Team Twelve Hundred. Why? Probably because that's the arbitrary lower limit allowed by the software. It's not terribly mysterious. I know people would love the fantasy of being able to lose weight while eating massive quantities, but isn't that how we all ended up needing to lose weight in the first place? :huh:

    <----woman.5'9. 145. Maintains on 2400/day. Would kill and eat the neighbors at 1200/day.

    Ah, so you're on the tall side. And you're not exactly thin as a rail if you're 145 lbs. You're an inch taller than me, and 6 pounds heavier, so we're probably similar enough at the moment. And if you're maintaining at 2400 a day, you're either young, or you exercise a fair amount, or both. How am I doing with my precognition?

    Wait a minute. Are you insinuating that someone at 5 9" and 145lbs is in any way overweight?

    There is a lot of room between "skinny as a rail" and "overweight". There's that whole middle ground of "healthy weight", "rocking some curves" etc.

    No idea why you mentioned it then. *shrugs*

    I only mentioned it to confuse you, so, mission accomplished, I guess. :devil:

    I thought you were doing it to see if people were actually reading the posts...kind of a test...yep...I will stick with that explanation!
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    *snip*


    I suppose you equate "exercise" with "working out in a gym"? Or are you saying that all forms of movement are "boring and tiresome"?

    I...I just...

    *sigh*

    I would say more...but I'm so dumbfounded that someone would be averse to *all* forms of "exercise" that...I have nothing more to say to you...

    ...and will instead focus on the other 98.44% of people who haven't concluded that all forms of exercise are too "boring and tiresome" regardless of the many benefits it provides (and that most find a form of exercise that is not boring or tiresome).

    Hmmm, I think your math is off. 98.44% think exercise is fun and So Worth It? Then why is obesity such an epidemic?

    My point is, you don't HAVE to exercise to lose weight. You don't HAVE to adhere to "clean eating" or "healthy eating" or anything like that. Making the decision to lose weight is hard enough, without piling a newfound dedication to exercise and completely changing the foods you eat on top of that. I changed ONE thing when I decided to lose weight—my daily calorie total. That's it. I didn't do anything else differently. And I've been losing weight for two months straight without a "plateau". Thirteen pounds in two months isn't an unhealthy rate, and I haven't been hungry or tired or anything like that. People are always trying to "scare straight" people, but I'm here to say that one simple change can be enough to effect the desired loss of weight. And without that one simple change, all the exercise and "clean eating" in the world won't help you. I think we can all agree on that last point, at least? :drinker:
  • bunbu
    bunbu Posts: 131
    *snip*


    I suppose you equate "exercise" with "working out in a gym"? Or are you saying that all forms of movement are "boring and tiresome"?

    I...I just...

    *sigh*

    I would say more...but I'm so dumbfounded that someone would be averse to *all* forms of "exercise" that...I have nothing more to say to you...

    ...and will instead focus on the other 98.44% of people who haven't concluded that all forms of exercise are too "boring and tiresome" regardless of the many benefits it provides (and that most find a form of exercise that is not boring or tiresome).

    Hmmm, I think your math is off. 98.44% think exercise is fun and So Worth It? Then why is obesity such an epidemic?

    My point is, you don't HAVE to exercise to lose weight. You don't HAVE to adhere to "clean eating" or "healthy eating" or anything like that. Making the decision to lose weight is hard enough, without piling a newfound dedication to exercise and completely changing the foods you eat on top of that. I changed ONE thing when I decided to lose weight—my daily calorie total. That's it. I didn't do anything else differently. And I've been losing weight for two months straight without a "plateau". Thirteen pounds in two months isn't an unhealthy rate, and I haven't been hungry or tired or anything like that. People are always trying to "scare straight" people, but I'm here to say that one simple change can be enough to effect the desired loss of weight. And without that one simple change, all the exercise and "clean eating" in the world won't help you. I think we can all agree on that last point, at least? :drinker:

    That's true just changing your cal intake can help you loose weight, but I think others want more than just to lose weight.
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    *snip*


    I suppose you equate "exercise" with "working out in a gym"? Or are you saying that all forms of movement are "boring and tiresome"?

    I...I just...

    *sigh*

    I would say more...but I'm so dumbfounded that someone would be averse to *all* forms of "exercise" that...I have nothing more to say to you...

    ...and will instead focus on the other 98.44% of people who haven't concluded that all forms of exercise are too "boring and tiresome" regardless of the many benefits it provides (and that most find a form of exercise that is not boring or tiresome).

    Hmmm, I think your math is off. 98.44% think exercise is fun and So Worth It? Then why is obesity such an epidemic?

    My point is, you don't HAVE to exercise to lose weight. You don't HAVE to adhere to "clean eating" or "healthy eating" or anything like that. Making the decision to lose weight is hard enough, without piling a newfound dedication to exercise and completely changing the foods you eat on top of that. I changed ONE thing when I decided to lose weight—my daily calorie total. That's it. I didn't do anything else differently. And I've been losing weight for two months straight without a "plateau". Thirteen pounds in two months isn't an unhealthy rate, and I haven't been hungry or tired or anything like that. People are always trying to "scare straight" people, but I'm here to say that one simple change can be enough to effect the desired loss of weight. And without that one simple change, all the exercise and "clean eating" in the world won't help you. I think we can all agree on that last point, at least? :drinker:

    That's true just changing your cal intake can help you loose weight, but I think others want more than just to lose weight.

    Hmmm. Isn't this the "diet and weight loss" forum? :huh:
  • bunbu
    bunbu Posts: 131
    *snip*


    I suppose you equate "exercise" with "working out in a gym"? Or are you saying that all forms of movement are "boring and tiresome"?

    I...I just...

    *sigh*

    I would say more...but I'm so dumbfounded that someone would be averse to *all* forms of "exercise" that...I have nothing more to say to you...

    ...and will instead focus on the other 98.44% of people who haven't concluded that all forms of exercise are too "boring and tiresome" regardless of the many benefits it provides (and that most find a form of exercise that is not boring or tiresome).

    Hmmm, I think your math is off. 98.44% think exercise is fun and So Worth It? Then why is obesity such an epidemic?

    My point is, you don't HAVE to exercise to lose weight. You don't HAVE to adhere to "clean eating" or "healthy eating" or anything like that. Making the decision to lose weight is hard enough, without piling a newfound dedication to exercise and completely changing the foods you eat on top of that. I changed ONE thing when I decided to lose weight—my daily calorie total. That's it. I didn't do anything else differently. And I've been losing weight for two months straight without a "plateau". Thirteen pounds in two months isn't an unhealthy rate, and I haven't been hungry or tired or anything like that. People are always trying to "scare straight" people, but I'm here to say that one simple change can be enough to effect the desired loss of weight. And without that one simple change, all the exercise and "clean eating" in the world won't help you. I think we can all agree on that last point, at least? :drinker:

    That's true just changing your cal intake can help you loose weight, but I think others want more than just to lose weight.

    Hmmm. Isn't this the "diet and weight loss" forum? :huh:

    Never said they didnt want to loose weight just want more that working out gives. That is all.
  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member
    Hmmm. Isn't this the "diet and weight loss" forum? :huh:

    No. This is where you come for an argument.

    'No it isn't'. '

    'That's not an argument that's just a contradiction'.

    'No it isn't'.

    etc... apologies to Monty Python :bigsmile:
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    *snip*


    I suppose you equate "exercise" with "working out in a gym"? Or are you saying that all forms of movement are "boring and tiresome"?

    I...I just...

    *sigh*

    I would say more...but I'm so dumbfounded that someone would be averse to *all* forms of "exercise" that...I have nothing more to say to you...

    ...and will instead focus on the other 98.44% of people who haven't concluded that all forms of exercise are too "boring and tiresome" regardless of the many benefits it provides (and that most find a form of exercise that is not boring or tiresome).

    Hmmm, I think your math is off. 98.44% think exercise is fun and So Worth It? Then why is obesity such an epidemic?

    My point is, you don't HAVE to exercise to lose weight. You don't HAVE to adhere to "clean eating" or "healthy eating" or anything like that. Making the decision to lose weight is hard enough, without piling a newfound dedication to exercise and completely changing the foods you eat on top of that. I changed ONE thing when I decided to lose weight—my daily calorie total. That's it. I didn't do anything else differently. And I've been losing weight for two months straight without a "plateau". Thirteen pounds in two months isn't an unhealthy rate, and I haven't been hungry or tired or anything like that. People are always trying to "scare straight" people, but I'm here to say that one simple change can be enough to effect the desired loss of weight. And without that one simple change, all the exercise and "clean eating" in the world won't help you. I think we can all agree on that last point, at least? :drinker:

    That's true just changing your cal intake can help you loose weight, but I think others want more than just to lose weight.

    Hmmm. Isn't this the "diet and weight loss" forum? :huh:

    Never said they didnt want to loose weight just want more that working out gives. That is all.

    Yeah, I hear it gives you "in dolphins" or something. I don't have anywhere to keep all those dolphins, so that's another reason not to exercise. :bigsmile:
  • Siansonea
    Siansonea Posts: 917 Member
    Hmmm. Isn't this the "diet and weight loss" forum? :huh:

    No. This is where you come for an argument.

    'No it isn't'. '

    'That's not an argument that's just a contradiction'.

    'No it isn't'.

    etc... apologies to Monty Python :bigsmile:

    You're my new best friend. :flowerforyou: :drinker:

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