I hate Deadlifts and Squats
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I appreciate (almost) all of the input. So far, only one a$$wipe with nothing more to do in her pathetic Internet life but to comment that the mere title of the discussion invoked nothing but pity from her. In person, I'm sure she's awesome. On the Interwebz, she comes off a bit in-your-face-b!tchy.
I will press on and progress through these lifts and I will ensure that my form is spot on before adding weight.
I hardly think you know enough about me to call me an a$$wipe (which violates TOS, by the way....but hey, whatever).
I do feel bad for you that you hate 2 of the most important lifts. They are very beneficial and I find them extremely enjoyable. When I know something is good, I feel bad for the people who don't see it that way.
Sorry for being in-your-face-b!tchy :flowerforyou:
Good luck finding suitable replacements for 2 important lifts that could be very, very good for you and your progress!
Well, I appreciate the less hostile tone.
Anyway, just because I expressed a dislike for these lifts doesn't mean that I won't do them. The responses on this thread have only confirmed the importance of these. That being said, I'm not going to suddenly start liking them just because I need to do them. Others have expressed dislike for the bench or the OHP. They still do them.0 -
Don't do them.
I absolutely hate deadlifts and never do them. They're the most overhyped lift possible.
And I think suggesting beginners to squat and deadlift without someone coaching them is horrible, they're going to snap the **** out of their back.0 -
I do not understand this post. Hate DL and Squat? Just No.0
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It depends on where you want to go man. Squats and DL's are the foundation of building strength. If you have a crappy foundation then the structure on top will not be as sound as if you did IMO. Once you start putting on some big weight and see what your body can do with it you will like it more. I hated DL's with a passion but once I broke into lifting 200% BW I started liking them more. Same with Squats....once I broke into big weights and saw progression I got hooked. I also like the side effects of lifting big weight.0
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Thanks, Danny_Boy.0
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No one said it was easy. When I say that after returning to them after a hiatus that I didn't enjoy them anymore goes back to the root of my query: why don't I enjoy them as much as I enjoy the bench press?
Honestly, I really don't get the point of this thread. Are you asking US why YOU don't enjoy Squats & Deadlifts as much the Bench Press? What are we mind-readers now?Hasn't happened yet. I don't know anyone stupid enough or big enough an *kitten* to call someone a whiner for not liking something. Only keyboard warriors do that.
You're whining about not liking something, period. Sorry, that's not being a keyboard commander, that's being factual.
This thread is full of a lot of WHINE.0 -
Am I the only one who is a bigger @$$ IRL than online? The MFP Community Guidelines (all hail) are a much stricter filter than what I personally use in real life. (I can even correct spelling and grammar there.)
I just don't understand the "keyboard warrior" comments that are thrown around here...(ironically, from keyboards).0 -
No one said it was easy. When I say that after returning to them after a hiatus that I didn't enjoy them anymore goes back to the root of my query: why don't I enjoy them as much as I enjoy the bench press?
Honestly, I really don't get the point of this thread. Are you asking US why YOU don't enjoy Squats & Deadlifts as much the Bench Press? What are we mind-readers now?Hasn't happened yet. I don't know anyone stupid enough or big enough an *kitten* to call someone a whiner for not liking something. Only keyboard warriors do that.
You're whining about not liking something, period. Sorry, that's not being a keyboard commander, that's being factual.
This thread is full of a lot of WHINE.
I posted this to ask about alternatives, form, and other people's experiences. I didn't post to whine, didn't post to be insulted, and didn't post to ruin your day. I didn't tap you on the shoulder at the gym. I didn't even solicit your opinion, but you've provided it anyway. Thanks again. You've been very helpful.0 -
Instead of squats, if you have a leg press machine that you can load with weights, you can do leg presses and all the other leg machines (calf raise at the same leg press station, leg curls, leg extensions at least). I got into a habit of doing this after a knee injury and not liking the rack available and I now tend to do this instead still, since I dont like bruising my shoulders each and every time even with a pad. You can usually do at least 1.5x the weight on a leg press machine though (depending on angle), so you need a lot of available plates. Sometimes its a pain in the butt trying to get enough if you go heavy and the gym is light on plates.0
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Squats are kind'of like a crazy lover, you hate them, but the sex(results) is awesome.
Deadlifts are like a great lover with amazing personality. I put a ring on that finger long ago.0 -
I posted this to ask about alternatives, form, and other people's experiences. I didn't post to whine, didn't post to be insulted, and didn't post to ruin your day. I didn't tap you on the shoulder at the gym. I didn't even solicit your opinion, but you've provided it anyway. Thanks again. You've been very helpful.
My first post was helpful-did you even bother to read it?
Thank you for insulting me for no reason other than trying to figure out why you started this thread.
Not a keyboard commander sweetie, nor did I make any inappropriate comments to you. You start a thread & ask for people's comments then you get pissed when you get comments you don't like & lash out at people (like myself ). Nice.0 -
I posted this to ask about alternatives, form, and other people's experiences. I didn't post to whine, didn't post to be insulted, and didn't post to ruin your day. I didn't tap you on the shoulder at the gym. I didn't even solicit your opinion, but you've provided it anyway. Thanks again. You've been very helpful.
My first post was helpful-did you even bother to read it?
Thank you for insulting me for no reason other than trying to figure out why you started this thread.
Not a keyboard commander sweetie, nor did I make any inappropriate comments to you. You start a thread & ask for people's comments then you get pissed when you get comments you don't like & lash out at people (like myself ). Nice.
Too many people in this thread condescended the OP. Very few offered helpful advice but you have to wade through a lot of "LOOK How witty I am" to find them. I notice that sort of thing happens a lot here.
OP. I think you need to look back at all of the posts and extract the good info. Basically, either switch to other movements, look to your form, get on a structured program and look at all of the inputs, etc.etc.0 -
I posted this to ask about alternatives, form, and other people's experiences. I didn't post to whine, didn't post to be insulted, and didn't post to ruin your day. I didn't tap you on the shoulder at the gym. I didn't even solicit your opinion, but you've provided it anyway. Thanks again. You've been very helpful.
My first post was helpful-did you even bother to read it?
Thank you for insulting me for no reason other than trying to figure out why you started this thread.
Not a keyboard commander sweetie, nor did I make any inappropriate comments to you. You start a thread & ask for people's comments then you get pissed when you get comments you don't like & lash out at people (like myself ). Nice.
What are you even talking about? The only thing I complained about were the "whiner" posts. I thanked everyone for the constructive feedback.0 -
Squats are kind'of like a crazy lover, you hate them, but the sex(results) is awesome.
Deadlifts are like a great lover with amazing personality. I put a ring on that finger long ago.
yup- besides, if someone I love was stuck on a train track I could now pick them up and put them down elsewhere.
- or- my favourite is knowing that if a someone was really annoying the crap out of me, I could probably deadlift their spine out of their back... problem solved.
-shoot - will that get me banned? if so then, what I meant was something else.
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I appreciate (almost) all of the input. So far, only one a$$wipe with nothing more to do in her pathetic Internet life but to comment that the mere title of the discussion invoked nothing but pity from her. In person, I'm sure she's awesome. On the Interwebz, she comes off a bit in-your-face-b!tchy.
I will press on and progress through these lifts and I will ensure that my form is spot on before adding weight.
I hardly think you know enough about me to call me an a$$wipe (which violates TOS, by the way....but hey, whatever).
I do feel bad for you that you hate 2 of the most important lifts. They are very beneficial and I find them extremely enjoyable. When I know something is good, I feel bad for the people who don't see it that way.
Sorry for being in-your-face-b!tchy :flowerforyou:
Good luck finding suitable replacements for 2 important lifts that could be very, very good for you and your progress!
Well, I appreciate the less hostile tone.
Anyway, just because I expressed a dislike for these lifts doesn't mean that I won't do them. The responses on this thread have only confirmed the importance of these. That being said, I'm not going to suddenly start liking them just because I need to do them. Others have expressed dislike for the bench or the OHP. They still do them.
The first post wasn't hostile. That's just how you chose to interpret it.
That's the thing about the internet. You can assume....but you never really know the true intentions of the poster. For example, I was feeling much snarkier in the second post than I was in the first post. But apparently using a :flowerforyou: and the word "sorry" negates that emotion from coming across. In my first post, I was just having a light-hearted laugh. But whatever.0 -
Standard deads are my fav I look forward to deadlifts because I kill it like a boss!!0
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I appreciate (almost) all of the input. So far, only one a$$wipe with nothing more to do in her pathetic Internet life but to comment that the mere title of the discussion invoked nothing but pity from her. In person, I'm sure she's awesome. On the Interwebz, she comes off a bit in-your-face-b!tchy.
I will press on and progress through these lifts and I will ensure that my form is spot on before adding weight.
I hardly think you know enough about me to call me an a$$wipe (which violates TOS, by the way....but hey, whatever).
I do feel bad for you that you hate 2 of the most important lifts. They are very beneficial and I find them extremely enjoyable. When I know something is good, I feel bad for the people who don't see it that way.
Sorry for being in-your-face-b!tchy :flowerforyou:
Good luck finding suitable replacements for 2 important lifts that could be very, very good for you and your progress!
Well, I appreciate the less hostile tone.
Anyway, just because I expressed a dislike for these lifts doesn't mean that I won't do them. The responses on this thread have only confirmed the importance of these. That being said, I'm not going to suddenly start liking them just because I need to do them. Others have expressed dislike for the bench or the OHP. They still do them.
The first post wasn't hostile. That's just how you chose to interpret it.
That's the thing about the internet. You can assume....but you never really know the true intentions of the poster. For example, I was feeling much snarkier in the second post than I was in the first post. But apparently using a :flowerforyou: and the word "sorry" negates that emotion from coming across. In my first post, I was just having a light-hearted laugh. But whatever.
My apologies. I obviously took it the wrong way.0 -
There are no alternatives that are as effective as the squat. Considering it takes you less than 10 to 15 minutes of your workout time to get through a good number of sets of squats, why not just suck it up and grind through them?0
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There are no alternatives that are as effective as the squat. Considering it takes you less than 10 to 15 minutes of your workout time to get through a good number of sets of squats, why not just suck it up and grind through them?
Thanks. That's the plan.0 -
Try good mornings! I had horrible deadlift form that I just couldn't get right, so I tried these and they force you into the right position. I've seen HUGE progress in my hamstrings since I've been doing them. I think you might like them better than deadlifts, and not because they're easier ('cause they're not).
As for squats: Just gotta power through them. Leg days suck but I'd never skip 'em!
^^ This advice is worth trying. No substitute, but they were the first thing I thought of wrt deadlift.
I heart good mornings! Also, maybe try weighted step-ups wrt squats.
General advice, if there is something you don't enjoy but ought to do anyway: choose great music and then just get on with it.
follow up, found this link. interesting.
http://www.overspeedtraining.com/legsart.htm
again, "substitute"? I don't know. "Supplement"? surely0 -
Op. I believe you asked about balance and symmetry in your physique and if it was necessary to squat and deadlift to obtain this. In my opinion the short answer would be no. Given that you would have to due some type of progression weight training regimen to get hypertrophy, therefore you wouldn't have to do a traditional squat or deadlift but you would need to use different types of movements that recruit the same muscle groups. Volume and Intensity in your workout are both key when building. I use to train legs every six days I now train them every fourth with a little less intensity. This has helped me gain a lot more strength and my legs are able to take more. Its amazing how our bodies adapt to exercise and repetitiveness.
Keep doing those squats and maybe a little more often and you will find that you will be squatting with a lot more weight and reps. I would like to say it will be easier as well but that's not how it works if you want to build muscle.0 -
My goal is just to build a balanced physique and get stronger.
Then you don't need to do squats or deads. Do I think they are a very good idea though? Absolutely.
What underpins a decent programme - intensity, frequency, volume, good form and progressive overload. Exercise selection is largely secondary.
Pick some alternatives:
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/WaistWt.html#anchor1945210
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/ThighWt.html#anchor172012
And go with it.0 -
Am I the only one who is a bigger @$$ IRL than online? The MFP Community Guidelines (all hail) are a much stricter filter than what I personally use in real life. (I can even correct spelling and grammar there.)
I just don't understand the "keyboard warrior" comments that are thrown around here...(ironically, from keyboards).
I absolutely LOVE the avatar!!! So sad that "Bad" has finally "Broken"0 -
glute bb raises
reverse hammy curls/ghetto hammy curls
walking lunges
box jumps
squat jumps
burpees
All fabulous.
squats/deads are better- those to me are supporting exercises- but you can get a great deal accomplished with just those alone.
And yes- I would call someone a name to their face- I'm an *kitten* like that. I throw tantrums at my gym for people not putting weights away- and I'm seriously NOT the biggest roided out person in the world.0 -
I also have to wonder how many people are so sensitive in real life.Am I the only one who is a bigger @$$ IRL than online? The MFP Community Guidelines (all hail) are a much stricter filter than what I personally use in real life. (I can even correct spelling and grammar there.)
I just don't understand the "keyboard warrior" comments that are thrown around here...(ironically, from keyboards).0 -
Do whatever leg exercises your comfortable with. From a sheer stand-point of comparing exercises, there is no replacement exercise for the Squat or the Conventional (or even Sumo) Deadlift. You can always try to Front Squat but the Front Squat is just as challenging. The SLDL is not the same as a Conventional deadlift, more of an assistance exercise for improving your posterior chain.
Personally, I love deadlifting but I don't love squatting. I simply do squatting because I want to be stronger and better than I was yesterday and continue to get stronger. I love the fact that I can barely wear classic fit pants and that I have to buy dress slacks two sizes too big and have the waist tailored down just so my legs and butt fit.0 -
I also have to wonder how many people are so sensitive in real life.Am I the only one who is a bigger @$$ IRL than online? The MFP Community Guidelines (all hail) are a much stricter filter than what I personally use in real life. (I can even correct spelling and grammar there.)
I just don't understand the "keyboard warrior" comments that are thrown around here...(ironically, from keyboards).
There is a difference between taking offense where offense is intended and being sensitive.0 -
If you want to take more time doing more isolated exercises to hit your legs, back, core, etc, you can. You'll spend a lot more time in the gym and it wont be the same as if you had done squats and deads. That being said, you can add plenty of size without ever squatting or deadlifting...
IMO, a big deadlift is more rewarding than a big bench. You'll probably agree when you pull big numbers.
My guess is you;ve tweaked your body and you know your lifting wrong. Check yo self son.. Fix your form and lift... Done be a sissy on account of your lack of will to finesse your technique. In the same vein, dont be hardheaded and ego lift numbers you cant handle.
When your legs can lift it but your core caves, thats too heavy... Every muscle involved needs to be able to stay rigid and maintain form or you're lifting too heavy. Maybe a couple reps arent great, but, overall your form should be stellar for at least 90% of your lifts.. That should be your aim. The guys who ego lift on squats plateau almost immediately and never get anywhere. I run circles around those kids.0 -
If you want to take more time doing more isolated exercises to hit your legs, back, core, etc, you can. You'll spend a lot more time in the gym and it wont be the same as if you had done squats and deads. That being said, you can add plenty of size without ever squatting or deadlifting...
IMO, a big deadlift is more rewarding than a big bench. You'll probably agree when you pull big numbers.
My guess is you;ve tweaked your body and you know your lifting wrong. Check yo self son.. Fix your form and lift... Done be a sissy on account of your lack of will to finesse your technique.
I personally take pride on Squat and DL day when I'm working harder then all the other idiot guys in the gym doing stupid crap or half-assing it. Nothing like some fool walking up to you while you're doing your DL warm-up sets to work in with you and thinking he's being all bad-*kitten*, then finally get to your work sets and he goes, "oh, you're doing that; I'm out." LOL! PRICELESS! Some of stares you get while you're pulling big weight off the ground are great too.0 -
I wouldn't go so far as to say that I hate those lifts. I have a great degree of respect (almost a fear) for them because I know they are highly effective at making people strong. They're a challenge, but progress at them, and you'll be a monster.
At this point, I'm starting to get a little nervous when deadlift day comes. I'm going to be lifting something off the ground that weighs significantly more than I do for reps. It's going to wear me out. I'm probably going to make weird breathing noises, Arnold grunts, and possibly exhale like a horse after my last rep. Yes, I'm getting damn fearful of the deadlift as I've progressed in it. At what point does my spine just shoot out of my back, or when does my grip give, allowing the bar to fall on my legs somehow and break them in 6 places?
But as I look at the development I've had from challenging myself with the dreadlift, I can't help but love it to pieces.0
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