Massively hungry the day after Cheat Day...
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I cheat every Saturday or Sunday night, and my weight loss continues unabated. Do the gym monday to friday then just chill over the weekend and enjoy myself. Albeit I do cheat a bit harder now that I have surpassed my original weight loss goal, but am still dropping bit by bit.
As for feeling more hungry the day after, yes I feel that way too. Perhaps my bodys way of saying give me the real yummy food that you used to eat, but my willpower does not bend simply because I set myself a short term goal to be finished by the 20th December and can see the finish line so can persevere. I suppose it would be a lot harder if it were a change for life.0 -
Cheat days mean different things to different people. A mental cheat day can be INVALUABLE for long term weight loss/maitenance. I have been watching my weight/tracking for almost 2 years on this site and if I didn't have a weekly break from logging, while allowing myself to the chance to splurge on normally restricted (I'm talking a donut, which, at 500 cals, will not fit into my 1500-1800 cal macros on a daily basis, so don't tell me just to "fit it in,") foods, although I do try to have a 200 cal brownie everyday to stave off binges. Works for me, hasn't derailed me as I keep my protein high and get right back on board the next day.
A monthly "refeed" day is truly a tool in long term weightloss as well. I just had a true refeed after 2 weeks at a deficit and, by keeping my protein high and my carbs high (almost to the point where I was getting a little sick of all the high carb food I ate) I experienced high leptin, which resulted in a "whoosh" the day after (a 1.5lb loss) and then ANOTHER 1.5lbs two days later after a day back at cut calories (I'm at a 500/day deficit right now). If I hadn't chosen to splurge in a strategic way, it would have taken me (and my lowered metabolism) another 2 weeks to get that loss.
I think that it's important for long-term food trackers/dieters (aka not ones that expect to just "deprive" themselves for 3 months, reach goal and then go back to the way they were) to look at all the science/info/experience of others to help them find what will help them get the best results. For me, cheat days are mentally and physically important, not an exercise in lack of willpower, as those who don't take them feel the need to pop in a "cheat meal thread" and point out. In my opinion, to do so shows a lack in not only tact, but knowledge of how a cheat meal/refeed can be essential in weight loss.0 -
I don't cheat any day. I eat what I want every day, then when I get to my calorie limit, I stop eating.
I'm not trying to be rude (honestly), but how does this help the original poster? It is great you can go without a cheat day, but we are all different.
To the original poster--I also feel like the more I eat, the more I WANT to eat. Last night I was hungry so I had late night sugary weight watchers red velvet snacks. When I woke up at 5am I was starving. Stupidly I ate sugary special k bfast bars and those mademe hungry. I think what might help on the day after is eating protein and fiber (pretty filling) and limit your sugar/carbs until you get into a balance again. Just my two cents.
Again--I wasn't trying to be rude.
Honestly it should help the OP and any other person who thinks they have to have a cheat day. If you eat what you want every day then there is never a need to cheat one day and then have this feeling the next day. Make what you want fit into your calorie goal everyday and enjoy it. But to make it fit if you can only have half a burger instead of the whole burger you will train your brain to understand that just because it's in front of you and tastes good you don't have to eat the whole thing. If you choose to eat the whole thing then again make it fit for that day or whatever your over for the day and at times that can be good, but if your wayyyyyy over every day that's not good. I had a chicken sandwich from longhorn the other night and to make it fit I did not eat the bread. But I still enjoyed that piece of chicken with a cheesy sauce over it and did not feel cheated or deprived. I had chocolate last night and it sent me over in calories, oh well, but today I will be fine0 -
I can't have a cheat day. Because my cheat day turns into a cheat month.
If I get used to eating little..I can eat little.
If I get used to eating a lot...a can't eat little.
I think you are feeling this.0 -
Since finding out how many calories i eat in the past few days, I cut out lots of sugar in my coffee, but cheated last night by having a steak for dinner,,, been shaking a lot this morning, So i guess it might be a combo of both, high cal yesterday and low sugar today,
To stop shaking i had to have another snack though. Im still pretty new at this, but i have always been under enormous stress while dieting, i prefer to think of this dieting as a lifetime change in eating habits, but i know its challenging.0 -
Let's get away from all the emotional/shaming/"mindset/lifestyle" comments and get logical. Do the math. Noone who is against cheat days on this thread has provided a reason why it is harmful for a person to be at a calorie deficit 6 days of the week and then reset to maintenance or a little above one day a week. If those extra 500-600 calories once a week keeps a dieter going for another week, or 7 or 10 more months instead of quitting, what is the problem and why do you need to convert them to your way of thinking?0
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Patient: Doc, it hurts when I do this.
Doctor: So don't do that.
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I'm wondering if anyone else has this issue of being rather hungry the day after having your Cheat Day?
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What do you do to help curb the day after hunger pangs?
This happens to me either. I think it's psychological - I am scared of overeating, but at the same time, I think about it often. So when I come to the point of overeating "responsibly" (I know I'm having my day off, I've behaved well until then and so on...) I get addicted and want to do it again. I'm hungry without actually needing food. I think that, in this case, it's not real hunger but more like emotional cravings. You know you can't overeat again, so that's exactly what you want to do.
There are 2 possibilities:
- during the cheat day you've eaten a lot, but not the right foods, so you're lacking some nutrients and this makes you genuinely hungry
- it's just psychological, as previously said
If you find out you might be in the first case, make you sure eat the right amount of EACH nutrients during the next days. If you feel very hungry and you absolutely need to eat more, try to come back to your healthy eating slowly, dropping a couple of hundreds calories a day after the cheat day.
If you still feel hungry it might be because you're not having enough food throughout your whole weightloss program.
If it's only because you're getting used to overeat again, give yourself a couple of days. Eat healthy but filling foods, and allow yourself to adjust in time. It might take a bit, but when I cheat for a day and feel hungry the next day, I usually feel so much better when I get back on track because my stomach feels less bloated.0 -
Let's get away from all the emotional/shaming/"mindset/lifestyle" comments and get logical. Do the math. Noone who is against cheat days on this thread has provided a reason why it is harmful for a person to be at a calorie deficit 6 days of the week and then reset to maintenance or a little above one day a week. If those extra 500-600 calories once a week keeps a dieter going for another week, or 7 or 10 more months instead of quitting, what is the problem and why do you need to convert them to your way of thinking?
I didn't realize we were trying to prove it was harmful? I don't believe anyone has said it was harmful. Just saying there is no reason to have a cheat day if you eat what you want or crave on a daily basis, but if you want to have a "cheat day" then by all means go for it, but don't complain the next day when you feel like your starving because it always happens to you and it's something you have control over by just not doing the cheat day to begin with. It's really a simple fix and that's what we are saying. If you don't have a cheat day then you don't have the day after starving to death feeling, problem solved. See how easy that is0 -
This happens to me either. I think it's psychological
It's not psychological...it's physical...it's hormones, namely leptin. When you re-feed you spike your leptin levels...increased leptin levels cue your brain that you are hungry. When you restrict calories your leptin levels tank so you don't feel hungry...essentially why an anorexic can consume very little and claim no hunger and a chronic over-eater is never full. It's all hormones and a physical response to that particular hormone (as well as gherin)0 -
Let's get away from all the emotional/shaming/"mindset/lifestyle" comments and get logical. Do the math. Noone who is against cheat days on this thread has provided a reason why it is harmful for a person to be at a calorie deficit 6 days of the week and then reset to maintenance or a little above one day a week. If those extra 500-600 calories once a week keeps a dieter going for another week, or 7 or 10 more months instead of quitting, what is the problem and why do you need to convert them to your way of thinking?
I didn't realize we were trying to prove it was harmful? I don't believe anyone has said it was harmful. Just saying there is no reason to have a cheat day if you eat what you want or crave on a daily basis, but if you want to have a "cheat day" then by all means go for it, but don't complain the next day when you feel like your starving because it always happens to you and it's something you have control over by just not doing the cheat day to begin with. It's really a simple fix and that's what we are saying. If you don't have a cheat day then you don't have the day after starving to death feeling, problem solved. See how easy that is
I see your point that one should realize that one of the consequences of having a cheat day is an increased appetite---a side effect of your body's metabolism increasing, which can aid against plateaus----along with a temporary water weight gain from carbs. Then the person can decide if those things are worth the physical and emotional benefits that the cheat day provides, and, if it is worth it, then not complain. I don't think the OP was complaining, just asking if anyone else had this phenomenon (completely normal and scientifically documented hunger due to leptin increases). Others said they did. No reason for anyone to try and make him feel like he is "doing it wrong" by having a cheat day. He didn't ask if he should, he only asked if those who DO take one have the same experience.0 -
This happens to me either. I think it's psychological
It's not psychological...it's physical...it's hormones, namely leptin. When you re-feed you spike your leptin levels...increased leptin levels cue your brain that you are hungry. When you restrict calories your leptin levels tank so you don't feel hungry...essentially why an anorexic can consume very little and claim no hunger and a chronic over-eater is never full. It's all hormones and a physical response to that particular hormone (as well as gherin)
QFT. Thank you for answering the OP's question in a logical manner instead of making him feel like he just needs more "willpower" the day after.0 -
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Since finding out how many calories i eat in the past few days, I cut out lots of sugar in my coffee, but cheated last night by having a steak for dinner,,, been shaking a lot this morning, So i guess it might be a combo of both, high cal yesterday and low sugar today,
To stop shaking i had to have another snack though. Im still pretty new at this, but i have always been under enormous stress while dieting, i prefer to think of this dieting as a lifetime change in eating habits, but i know its challenging.
How is having a steak cheating? I have at least one steak per week and have easily and successfully lost 40 Lbs. Part of the issue here is people negative relationships with food...categorizing foods as "good" or "bad" like this is not really healthy. A steak is a very good source of protein, dietary fat and iron...all of those things are essential to proper nutrition...yet somehow steak is "cheating"...0 -
Let's get away from all the emotional/shaming/"mindset/lifestyle" comments and get logical. Do the math. Noone who is against cheat days on this thread has provided a reason why it is harmful for a person to be at a calorie deficit 6 days of the week and then reset to maintenance or a little above one day a week. If those extra 500-600 calories once a week keeps a dieter going for another week, or 7 or 10 more months instead of quitting, what is the problem and why do you need to convert them to your way of thinking?
I didn't realize we were trying to prove it was harmful? I don't believe anyone has said it was harmful. Just saying there is no reason to have a cheat day if you eat what you want or crave on a daily basis, but if you want to have a "cheat day" then by all means go for it, but don't complain the next day when you feel like your starving because it always happens to you and it's something you have control over by just not doing the cheat day to begin with. It's really a simple fix and that's what we are saying. If you don't have a cheat day then you don't have the day after starving to death feeling, problem solved. See how easy that is
I see your point that one should realize that one of the consequences of having a cheat day is an increased appetite---a side effect of your body's metabolism increasing, which can aid against plateaus----along with a temporary water weight gain from carbs. Then the person can decide if those things are worth the physical and emotional benefits that the cheat day provides, and, if it is worth it, then not complain. I don't think the OP was complaining, just asking if anyone else had this phenomenon (completely normal and scientifically documented hunger due to leptin increases). Others said they did. No reason for anyone to try and make him feel like he is "doing it wrong" by having a cheat day. He didn't ask if he should, he only asked if those who DO take one have the same experience.
Very true, but in my head I don't understand why do it if you know what's going to happen. I have long since learned that overeating hurts my stomach, makes me feel yucky. Before doing it didn't bother me and I'd eat till my stomach wanted to revolt and wait till the feeling calmed down and then ate some more, now I know I don't like the feeling so I quit eating before I come close to that feeling, that's what I'm trying to say, if you know this is going to happen then you can prevent it by not doing it. IMO it's not worth it, but it may be worth it to the OP. But when I think about the long term your not learning a lesson, your learning how to work around the lesson so you can continue on.0 -
Just goes to show you the addictive properties that are in some foods. Check out a presentation by Dr. Fuhrman on what he calls "toxic hunger"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfVrRfm9U2I0 -
Well, first this.I don't cheat any day. I eat what I want every day, then when I get to my calorie limit, I stop eating.
Then all of this.the hormone leptin controls your hunger cues. When you diet your leptin levels decrease...basically an evolutionary response to protect from the discomforts of famine and general lack of food. When you eat more your leptin levels increase...so when you have a cheat you temporarily increase your leptin levels and therefore are hungrier. Essentially, this is why anorexics and people with other eating disorders can eat so little and claim not to be hungry...they're not...because their leptin levels are in the tank. Conversely, this is why obese individuals can seemingly eat and eat and eat without being full...there leptin levels are high and constantly signaling hunger cues.
I don't have a cheat day per sei, but I do a refeed every couple of weeks when I'm dieting. It is controlled and deliberate though, not a random cheat to do whatever. I re-feed in order to deliberately spike my leptin levels and make my metabolism crank it out.
Then.....Noone who is against cheat days on this thread has provided a reason why it is harmful for a person to be at a calorie deficit 6 days of the week and then reset to maintenance or a little above one day a week.
OP, it may be possible that your deficit is too aggressive thus you have a deprivation mentality and you are using a cheat day to be "allowed" a little relief. This is then causing the hunger problem. Maybe a lower deficit that doesn't create the deprivation mentality would help. It is a longer but possibly more sustainable road to your goal.0 -
Just goes to show you the addictive properties that are in some foods. Check out a presentation by Dr. Fuhrman on what he calls "toxic hunger"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfVrRfm9U2I0 -
Let's get away from all the emotional/shaming/"mindset/lifestyle" comments and get logical. Do the math. Noone who is against cheat days on this thread has provided a reason why it is harmful for a person to be at a calorie deficit 6 days of the week and then reset to maintenance or a little above one day a week. If those extra 500-600 calories once a week keeps a dieter going for another week, or 7 or 10 more months instead of quitting, what is the problem and why do you need to convert them to your way of thinking?
I didn't realize we were trying to prove it was harmful? I don't believe anyone has said it was harmful. Just saying there is no reason to have a cheat day if you eat what you want or crave on a daily basis, but if you want to have a "cheat day" then by all means go for it, but don't complain the next day when you feel like your starving because it always happens to you and it's something you have control over by just not doing the cheat day to begin with. It's really a simple fix and that's what we are saying. If you don't have a cheat day then you don't have the day after starving to death feeling, problem solved. See how easy that is
I see your point that one should realize that one of the consequences of having a cheat day is an increased appetite---a side effect of your body's metabolism increasing, which can aid against plateaus----along with a temporary water weight gain from carbs. Then the person can decide if those things are worth the physical and emotional benefits that the cheat day provides, and, if it is worth it, then not complain. I don't think the OP was complaining, just asking if anyone else had this phenomenon (completely normal and scientifically documented hunger due to leptin increases). Others said they did. No reason for anyone to try and make him feel like he is "doing it wrong" by having a cheat day. He didn't ask if he should, he only asked if those who DO take one have the same experience.
Very true, but in my head I don't understand why do it if you know what's going to happen. I have long since learned that overeating hurts my stomach, makes me feel yucky. Before doing it didn't bother me and I'd eat till my stomach wanted to revolt and wait till the feeling calmed down and then ate some more, now I know I don't like the feeling so I quit eating before I come close to that feeling, that's what I'm trying to say, if you know this is going to happen then you can prevent it by not doing it. IMO it's not worth it, but it may be worth it to the OP. But when I think about the long term your not learning a lesson, your learning how to work around the lesson so you can continue on.
I think I need to reemphasize that, to me, (and the OP I assumed based on his post) a cheat day is maintenance calories or a little above. I think you are referencing an unplanned binge, where one has no control, which is indeed a misuse of a true cheat day and would definitely be a bad mentality. A maintenance cheat day wouldn't make anyone sick, just feel truly full, (a nice break for your body, which is under stress from a continued calorie deficit) which might be hard to jump back into a deficit the next day, as is obviously the case, but it's similar to taking a "gym break" every couple months---it's good to give your body a rest even if it is hard to get back on the wagon. When I referenced almost getting sick from carbs, I was talking about a refeed, which is much less often and around double the normal carbs, which would make anyone who is carb-sensitive a little sick, but totally worth the results of not plateauing or inadvertently doing metabolism damage by dieting too long.
Obviously you have had great success with whatever method you have used, but for some people (myself included) a cheat day is key to sustaining weight loss both mentally and physically, as science seems to favor giving the body and metabolism a planned break from the stress of dieting.0 -
I'm wondering if anyone else has this issue of being rather hungry the day after having your Cheat Day?
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What do you do to help curb the day after hunger pangs?
I don't do cheat days because I'm not on a diet. I just allow myself to have what I want when I want and work hard to stay within my calorie limits. Sometimes I go over, like yesterday, but I will make up for it in exercise today.
I never feel massively hungry, but I don't eat a lot of sugar either, which in large quantities would make me feel very hungry.
I'd suggest just eating normally today and drinking loads of water.0 -
Me too friend, me too, the only way to stop and get back on the wagon for me to read and read read peoples success stories and keep my hands busy. I also have biggest loser on sky plus and watch that while catching up on my ironing there is always loads of ironing at my house. I also have some magazines from slimming world so will actively seek other peoples success. I Just eating up to my total but honestly I wish I could stop cheating because then I wouldn't have to bother trying my best to not be bothered by being narky all day. Other things I have tried include going to bed!0
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I'm wondering if anyone else has this issue of being rather hungry the day after having your Cheat Day?
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What do you do to help curb the day after hunger pangs?0 -
First, it's very normal to have hunger the day following a larger calories\ general food intake day, especially if this is the start of your journey. Unfortunately, this may indicate that your diet days are not giving you the sustenance your body requires - for example, if you're under a certain amount of calories per day for a long period of time, your body can go into "starvation mode". When you break that mode, and then return, your body can send out an alarm when you start going back because it remembers what's happened (not getting the nutrients and energy it needs) and is warning you to attempt to stop that process.
Helping to curb the hunger pangs can come in multiple different forms. My biggest suggestion is water - drink it, drink it, drink it! A glass every hour can really help to curb the feeling of hunger, especially because sometimes "hunger" is actually "thirst". Other dieting options are chewing sugar-free gum or tea leaves, or controlling your portions to have six small meals that day, to assure your body you are going to be feeding it.
Lastly, don't listen to people telling you not to take a cheat day. Taking a cheat day, especially on a diet (which is different from a clean eating lifestyle), can boost your morale, keep you on your diet longer, and actually keeps your metabolism higher, since you're varying the calorie and nutrient intake (which keeps your metabolism on its toes!).
Hope this helps! Happy journeying!0 -
I don't cheat any day. I eat what I want every day, then when I get to my calorie limit, I stop eating.
I'm not trying to be rude (honestly), but how does this help the original poster? It is great you can go without a cheat day, but we are all different.
It would hopefully help the OP to understand not to rely on "cheat days" (which are a ridiculous sentiment anyway for reasons already stated) as part of a health regime. Eating a similar amount each day prevents your body spiking insulin, and making your sugar levels excessively fluctuate.
It might help the OP research what I'm talking about, and stop thinking in the mindset of a "diet", and more of a "lifestyle".
Cheat meals and days are not ridiculous. If you don't understand it, don't comment. In the confines of this thread, if the OP cannot control it, then it may not be a good idea. For some people, a cheat day or meal is a good way to let go. It has some really great advantages. It helps with the restrictions knowing that you can cut some slack very soon. It helps to have a day to relax. Most people pick a weekend day. Maybe that's your date night, or a day out with friends watching football at a favorite bar with good friends and beer and hot wings. Nothing wrong with being a normal person and not worrying and obsessing about food.
I think if you took a normal person and told them what you do with food logging, they would call all of us insane. It is a bit over the top. So, the idea of not worrying for a meal or a day is fine, if you can control it afterwards.
Also, don't lose sight that a cheat meal or day is not an all out complete loss of control. It's just a bit above and beyond, but not a total freak out. That's is not at all what it is supposed to be. If normally you might have one slice of pizza, maybe on your cheat you have 2 or 3, and that's it. It's not about eating the whole pizza. That is not the idea. It's about relaxing the standard for a short time. Not an all out calorie binge.
And, this "if you don't understand it, don't comment on it" is ridiculous in and of itself. Everybody is free to comment whether they "believe" in "cheat days" or not.
The point is that no food is good or bad, diet is just a mentality, and why not just eat what you want within your calorie goal, log it in, and just move on? Or, why not just eat more than your calorie goal that day and just log it in and move on?
Overeating is not the problem, unless you overeat to the point of making yourself sick. The terminology cheat day/meal is the problem.0 -
Since finding out how many calories i eat in the past few days, I cut out lots of sugar in my coffee, but cheated last night by having a steak for dinner,,, been shaking a lot this morning, So i guess it might be a combo of both, high cal yesterday and low sugar today,
To stop shaking i had to have another snack though. Im still pretty new at this, but i have always been under enormous stress while dieting, i prefer to think of this dieting as a lifetime change in eating habits, but i know its challenging.
How is having a steak cheating? I have at least one steak per week and have easily and successfully lost 40 Lbs. Part of the issue here is people negative relationships with food...categorizing foods as "good" or "bad" like this is not really healthy. A steak is a very good source of protein, dietary fat and iron...all of those things are essential to proper nutrition...yet somehow steak is "cheating"...
Having any food is not cheating. I'll eat that steak any day.
It really is about a negative relationship with food. No food is good or bad.0 -
This happens to me either. I think it's psychological
It's not psychological...it's physical...it's hormones, namely leptin. When you re-feed you spike your leptin levels...increased leptin levels cue your brain that you are hungry. When you restrict calories your leptin levels tank so you don't feel hungry...essentially why an anorexic can consume very little and claim no hunger and a chronic over-eater is never full. It's all hormones and a physical response to that particular hormone (as well as gherin)
Anorexics stomaches shrinken either, plus yes, they get used to it, but it's a myth that anorexics don't feel hunger.
Your answer though doesn't really constrast mine, because I've said that it might be psychological, not imaginary. It's our brain that controls hormones levels, so yeah physical responses can be affected by the mind.
I wouldn't honestly know if anyone feels the same because of hormones, but actually, to me it's *always* psychological, because I'm constantly thinking about eating BUT on a diet. I'm not saying it works the same for everyone, but you can never forget the psychological side of being on a diet.0 -
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I don't cheat any day. I eat what I want every day, then when I get to my calorie limit, I stop eating.
I'm not trying to be rude (honestly), but how does this help the original poster? It is great you can go without a cheat day, but we are all different.
It would hopefully help the OP to understand not to rely on "cheat days" (which are a ridiculous sentiment anyway for reasons already stated) as part of a health regime. Eating a similar amount each day prevents your body spiking insulin, and making your sugar levels excessively fluctuate.
It might help the OP research what I'm talking about, and stop thinking in the mindset of a "diet", and more of a "lifestyle".
Cheat meals and days are not ridiculous. If you don't understand it, don't comment. In the confines of this thread, if the OP cannot control it, then it may not be a good idea. For some people, a cheat day or meal is a good way to let go. It has some really great advantages. It helps with the restrictions knowing that you can cut some slack very soon. It helps to have a day to relax. Most people pick a weekend day. Maybe that's your date night, or a day out with friends watching football at a favorite bar with good friends and beer and hot wings. Nothing wrong with being a normal person and not worrying and obsessing about food.
I think if you took a normal person and told them what you do with food logging, they would call all of us insane. It is a bit over the top. So, the idea of not worrying for a meal or a day is fine, if you can control it afterwards.
Also, don't lose sight that a cheat meal or day is not an all out complete loss of control. It's just a bit above and beyond, but not a total freak out. That's is not at all what it is supposed to be. If normally you might have one slice of pizza, maybe on your cheat you have 2 or 3, and that's it. It's not about eating the whole pizza. That is not the idea. It's about relaxing the standard for a short time. Not an all out calorie binge.
And, this "if you don't understand it, don't comment on it" is ridiculous in and of itself. Everybody is free to comment whether they "believe" in "cheat days" or not.
The point is that no food is good or bad, diet is just a mentality, and why not just eat what you want within your calorie goal, log it in, and just move on? Or, why not just eat more than your calorie goal that day and just log it in and move on?
Overeating is not the problem, unless you overeat to the point of making yourself sick. The terminology cheat day/meal is the problem.
Again, you don't understand the concept, so why are you in this thread? You don't get it. Go google it and learn. There are awesome benefits from people that do it properly. You didn't read what I said or you would not have commented the way you did.
Excuse me? :laugh: :laugh:
How about some common sense here?
There really is no reason to "cheat" when it comes to a dietary plan. Just eat what you want when you want within whatever your calorie goals are. If you go over, just as ALL people do at one time or another, then you go over. You log it in and move on. That doesn't make it cheating, it makes YOU and ME human. Get it?
To me, "cheat day" or a "cheat meal," which is why I've held my ground in this thread. Besides this, the only one who makes the rules is the person cheating. Maybe you eating a slice of apple is not cheating, but it is to another person.
In the real world, cheating is stealing from someone or looking over someone's should during a test and copying their answers.
In the "dieting" world, "cheating" is a mindset.
And, yes I did read your reply.0 -
REFEEDING not cheating ...0
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