Anyone else not believe in "starvation mode?"
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Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?
And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.
Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)
enough internetz for you today...
You "EAT" water?
Meanwhile, enjoy your calories from HFCS, white refined sugar and say hello diabetes0 -
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?
And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.
Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)
So in for this.0 -
Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.
Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.0 -
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?
And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.
Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)
enough internetz for you today...
You "EAT" water?
Meanwhile, enjoy your calories from HFCS, white refined sugar and say hello diabetes
I eat water. Get at me, bro.0 -
From the article:
Most people’s definition of starvation mode goes something like this:
To lose weight, you need to consume less calories. BUT, if you consume TOO few calories, your metabolism slows down so much so that your body enters a state where weight loss stops completely.
And technically, fiberous food has less(not totally devoid of) calories right?
Enter the proportion of carbs, protein, and fiberous food.
And 1200 calories is not really bad or low unless you only get your calories from carb.
And... no.... sorry. Try reading the original studies instead of pop science.0 -
I Believe!! Seriously, I do. I just don't think it's as big a deal as some people seem to think it is.
I've done a medically monitored, VERY controlled, 600 calorie per day diet. I was given 3 shakes a day to consume, no more, no less. Even following that to absolute perfection, there would still be an occasional week where I just didn't lose. WTF. However, I still lost TONS of weight super fast and for many months (about 6 months). So, while I may have seen a week or two of no loss, the net effect of "starvation mode" was negligible.
That being said, when I went back to regular food, my metabolism was slower, my muscle mass was depleted and my body/mind craved SUGAR. That paired with the program not really preparing me for the "real" world, and the fast weight loss giving me a skewed idea of how easy it is to gain/lose weight (i.e., 6lbs is nothing, I can lose that in 2 weeks without even trying), I gained the weight back, and then some.. So while "starvation mode" wont keep you from losing weight, I still wouldn't recommend going for a huge deficit. Physiologically, and for the long term, a huge deficit may be fast weight loss, but probably not long-term weight loss. Slow and steady wins the race.
But I'm not a doctor, and obviously not an expert or I wouldn't be here...fat and struggling. Lulz. So don't listen to me. I'll just putter off elsewhere.0 -
Not quite...I'm clarifying that starvation does not occur after 72 hours.
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...0 -
No, I suspect this is not the case. I think I'm going with your own answer - that greed is less socially acceptable, they are more physically active and the most commonly eaten foods are lower in fat and/or calories.Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.
Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.
OR they have discovered fat-melting magic fairy dust and are refusing to share with the rest of the world!!0 -
The way I understand it any time you are in a prolonged deficit your body switches to be more efficient with the cals it has available. I believe the "starvation mode" that people are terrified about, where your body goes into survival mode and shuts down any system it can to preserve energy doesn't happen till fat stores drop to dangerous levels. The thing that is dangerous about vcld while still having excess fat stores is lack of essential nutrients such as vitamins and minerals. This is why they need to be supervised by someone who can watch these levels through blood tests.0
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Not quite...I'm clarifying that starvation does not occur after 72 hours.
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
I believe I said a "pro longed period greater than 72 hours" will lead to starvation mode....but you should be able to read that for yourself...I think...0 -
The way I understand it any time you are in a prolonged deficit your body switches to be more efficient with the cals it has available. I believe the "starvation mode" that people are terrified about, where your body goes into survival mode and shuts down any system it can to preserve energy doesn't happen till fat stores drop to dangerous levels. The thing that is dangerous about vcld while still having excess fat stores is lack of essential nutrients such as vitamins and minerals. This is why they need to be supervised by someone who can watch these levels through blood tests.
you are actually referring to metabolic adaptation, not starvation mode...0 -
Not quite...I'm clarifying that starvation does not occur after 72 hours.
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
I believe I said a "pro longed period greater than 72 hours" will lead to starvation mode....but you should be able to read that for yourself...I think...
So you've eaten only water in 24 hours? Wow, 0 calories in one day. You're prolly "a veggie" in 48 hours0 -
Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.
Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.
Much much more complicated then you think. Yes, they have smaller portion sizes. Yes, they tend to eat less fast food (or at least the American variety). No, I don't know what your point is...
Edit: Oh, and culturally they will be much more upfront about people gaining unacceptable weight. So social pressure is much higher to remain thin. And yes, I have met people from Asian countries that are unusually thin and refuse to drink a glass of OJ due to the potential weight they MAY gain. Sounds pretty similiar to calorie counting....0 -
What's the difference? Serious question*The way I understand it any time you are in a prolonged deficit your body switches to be more efficient with the cals it has available. I believe the "starvation mode" that people are terrified about, where your body goes into survival mode and shuts down any system it can to preserve energy doesn't happen till fat stores drop to dangerous levels. The thing that is dangerous about vcld while still having excess fat stores is lack of essential nutrients such as vitamins and minerals. This is why they need to be supervised by someone who can watch these levels through blood tests.
you are actually referring to metabolic adaptation, not starvation mode...0 -
Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.
Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.
Just remember good fats are good for the body. Fat doesnt make us "Fat"
Unhealthy fats is what consumes most of Americans Diet therefore thats why we are an obese country0 -
Added Response to Peach: Oh, also Asians (and I'm being very general here) don't generally believe that females with muscle mass is attractive. Thus it's actually MORE of an insult to say you look muscular then to say someone's fat. They, very very generally speaking, idealize the thin academic look. So yes, less Asians in Southeast Asia go to the gym. I think the culture around exercise and what looks fit is changing though...0
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Not quite...I'm clarifying that starvation does not occur after 72 hours.
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
I believe I said a "pro longed period greater than 72 hours" will lead to starvation mode....but you should be able to read that for yourself...I think...
So you've eaten only water in 24 hours? Wow, 0 calories in one day. You're prolly "a veggie" in 48 hours
what the everloving what?
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Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.
Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.
Just remember good fats are good for the body. Fat doesnt make us "Fat"
Unhealthy fats is what consumes most of Americans Diet therefore thats why we are an obese country
We are an obese country because (in general) we eat more calories than we burn. I don't see how dietary fats come into play here.0 -
I do believe that your metabolism will slow down, and that overall it's a pretty dumb idea to starve yourself, when you can lose weight eating a reasonable amount... even if technically there isn't such a thing as 'starvation mode'.0
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America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar). Chickens, Cows, Hogs fed with antibiotics, GMO crops (usually to be resistant to pesticides)...
This is a very good lecture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0 0 -
here is some google sites for these "chinese" http://foodspin.deadspin.com/your-chinese-street-food-was-probably-cooked-in-poop-oi-1454080626
So I guess Asians do eat healthier hmmmm0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief0 -
Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.
Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.
Just remember good fats are good for the body. Fat doesnt make us "Fat"
Unhealthy fats is what consumes most of Americans Diet therefore thats why we are an obese country
I know. But America is fat-phobic. Fish is rich in fat, but good fats. Fat from avocados are good.
Just as not all fats are equal, not all carbs are equal either.
Obesity is much more than calories in calories out0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief
From what I can deduce from his lecture, it has to do with the kind of carb/calorie people consume.
Basically boils down to food. To get your calories, will you want to get it from white rice or white sugar?0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief
From what I can deduce from his lecture, it has to do with the kind of carb/calorie people consume.
Basically boils down to food. To get your calories, will you want to get it from white rice or white sugar?
Why not both? along with a wide range of other things. I have sugar, eat all kind of carbs and even drink alcohol, all in moderation and it seems to be working but perhaps I am doing it wrong0 -
I agree with the starvation mode thing.
Hoping that this isn't giving the ok to do VLCD. :ohwell:0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief
From what I can deduce from his lecture, it has to do with the kind of carb/calorie people consume.
Basically boils down to food. To get your calories, will you want to get it from white rice or white sugar?
I'll get them from wherever I want as long as I'm under my allotted calories for the day.0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief
From what I can deduce from his lecture, it has to do with the kind of carb/calorie people consume.
Basically boils down to food. To get your calories, will you want to get it from white rice or white sugar?
I'll get them from wherever I want as long as I'm under my allotted calories for the day.
To get you feel full, would you take white rice or white sugar?
Would you chow on white sugar to get 1200 calories or on white rice to get 1200 calories?
To get 1200 calories from sugar, you have to take 75 teaspoons
To get 1200 calories from white rice you have to take 4.5 cups of cooked rice0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief
From what I can deduce from his lecture, it has to do with the kind of carb/calorie people consume.
Basically boils down to food. To get your calories, will you want to get it from white rice or white sugar?
I'll get them from wherever I want as long as I'm under my allotted calories for the day.
To get you feel full, would you take white rice or white sugar?
Would you chow on white sugar to get 1200 calories or on white rice to get 1200 calories?
So do you really think someone would eat all of their calories from one or another? I believe your argument is invalid because it is dealing with unrealistic extremes.0 -
America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar)
This is a very good lecture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
Hmmm so it has nothing to do with calories then? Thats a relief
From what I can deduce from his lecture, it has to do with the kind of carb/calorie people consume.
Basically boils down to food. To get your calories, will you want to get it from white rice or white sugar?
I'll get them from wherever I want as long as I'm under my allotted calories for the day.
To get you feel full, would you take white rice or white sugar?
Would you chow on white sugar to get 1200 calories or on white rice to get 1200 calories?
To get 1200 calories from sugar, you have to take 75 teaspoons
To get 1200 calories from white rice you have to take 4.5 cups of cooked rice
Eating 1200 calories of only rice or only sugar is going to leave you with nutrition deficiencies beyond worrying over how full you feel or what kind of carbs you're getting. Eat a varied diet. Get plenty of protein, fats, and fiber. Stay within your calorie limit.0
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