If a carbohydrate isn't fiber or sugar...

BroScience976

Yeah, I'm not going to trust Wikipedia. I'll just ask the homeless guy under the bridge. Thanks anyway.

Is there a scientific paper that shows carb consumption increases rudeness? Geez. Someone spent time writing back and offered a perfectly good answer and that's how you reply? :grumble:

Sugar is a carbohydrate. Fiber is a carbohydrate. You see them listed on food labels because of regulations, laws, etc. You don't see other carbohydrates listed, like starch, because again, the food manufacturer is not required to do so by regulations, laws, etc. Thus the discrepancy between sugar plus fiber grams and carbohydrate grams.

Now go ahead and ask that old guy under the bridge if he agrees.

Wikipedia is not a perfectly good answer unless the question is "Would you please give me a mountain of possibly false information?"

Yes give me a mountain of possibly wrong information with citations.

The answer to your question is carbs and sugars are the same thing, the only difference is the length of the saccharide chain.

JesusBiscuits

You know what is dumber than wikipedia? Dumb questions.

Mother_Superior

Op, I know exactly how you feel. Here are some other sources of info. Some are web links and others are titles of books and articles to google. Hope they help, and good luck on your journey!

* Western Kentucky University (May 29, 2013). "WKU BIO 113 Carbohydrates" . wku.edu.
* Eldra Pearl Solomon, Linda R. Berg, Diana W. Martin; Cengage Learning (2004). Biology . google.books.com. p. 52. ISBN 978-0534278281.
* National Institute of Standards and Technology (2011). "Material Measurement Library D-erythro-Pentose, 2-deoxy-" . nist.gov.
* Long Island University (May 29, 2013). "The Chemistry of Carbohydrates" . brooklyn.liu.edu.
* Purdue University (May 29, 2013). "Carbohydrates: The Monosaccharides" . purdue.edu.
* Flitsch, Sabine L.; Ulijn, Rein V (2003). "Sugars tied to the spot". Nature 421 (6920): 219–20. doi:10.1038/421219a . PMID 12529622 .
* Maton, Anthea; Jean Hopkins, Charles William McLaughlin, Susan Johnson, Maryanna Quon Warner, David LaHart, Jill D. Wright (1993). Human Biology and Health. Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, USA: Prentice Hall. pp. 52–59. ISBN 0-13-981176-1.
* John Merle Coulter, Charler Reid Barnes, Henry Chandler Cowles (1930), A Textbook of Botany for Colleges and Universities "
* Carl A. Burtis, Edward R. Ashwood, Norbert W. Tietz (2000), Tietz fundamentals of clinical chemistry
* Matthews, C. E.; K. E. Van Holde; K. G. Ahern (1999) Biochemistry. 3rd edition. Benjamin Cummings. ISBN 0-8053-3066-6
* Campbell, Neil A.; Brad Williamson; Robin J. Heyden (2006). Biology: Exploring Life . Boston, Massachusetts: Pearson Prentice Hall. ISBN 0-13-250882-6.
* Pigman, Ward; Horton, D. (1972). "Chapter 1: Stereochemistry of the Monosaccharides". In Pigman and Horton. The Carbohydrates: Chemistry and Biochemistry Vol 1A (2nd ed.). San Diego: Academic Press. pp. 1–67.
* Pigman, Ward; Anet, E.F.L.J. (1972). "Chapter 4: Mutarotations and Actions of Acids and Bases". In Pigman and Horton. The Carbohydrates: Chemistry and Biochemistry Vol 1A (2nd ed.). San Diego: Academic Press. pp. 165–194.
* http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y5022e/y5022e04.htm
* http://www.diabetes.org.uk/upload/How we help/catalogue/carb-reference-list-0511.pdf
* a b Westman, EC (2002). "Is dietary carbohydrate essential for human nutrition?". The American journal of clinical nutrition 75 (5): 951–3; author reply 953–4. PMID 11976176 .
* Park, Y; Subar, AF; Hollenbeck, A; Schatzkin, A (2011). "Dietary fiber intake and mortality in the NIH-AARP diet and health study" . Archives of internal medicine 171 (12): 1061–8. doi:10.1001/archinternmed.2011.18 . PMC 3513325 . PMID 21321288 .
* http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.full.pdf+html
* http://www.jneurosci.org/content/23/13/5928.full
* http://www.nature.com/jcbfm/journal/v33/n2/abs/jcbfm2012151a.html
* MedBio.info > Integration of Metabolism Professor em. Robert S. Horn, Oslo, Norway. Retrieved on May 1, 2010. [1]
* Pichon, L; Huneau, JF; Fromentin, G; Tomé, D (2006). "A high-protein, high-fat, carbohydrate-free diet reduces energy intake, hepatic lipogenesis, and adiposity in rats". The Journal of nutrition 136 (5): 1256–60. PMID 16614413 .
* Tighe, P; Duthie, G; Vaughan, N; Brittenden, J; Simpson, WG; Duthie, S; Mutch, W; Wahle, K; Horgan, G; Thies, F. (2010). "Effect of increased consumption of whole-grain foods on blood pressure and other cardiovascular risk markers in healthy middle-aged persons: a randomized, controlled trial". The American journal of clinical nutrition 92 (4): 733–40. doi:10.3945/ajcn.2010.29417 . PMID 20685951 .
* Food and Nutrition Board (2002/2005). Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrate, Fiber, Fat, Fatty Acids, Cholesterol, Protein, and Amino Acids . Washington, D.C.: The National Academies Press. Page 769 . ISBN 0-309-08537-3.
* Joint WHO/FAO expert consultation (2003). [2] (PDF). Geneva: World Health Organization. pp. 55–56. ISBN 92-4-120916-X.
* Joint WHO/FAO expert consultation (1998), Carbohydrates in human nutrition, chapter 1 . ISBN 92-5-104114-8.
* a b "Carbohydrates" . The Nutrition Source. Harvard School of Public Health. Retrieved 3 April 2013.
* Jenkins, David; Alexandra L. Jenkins, Thomas M.S. Woleve, Lilian H. Thompson and A. Venkat Rao (February 1986). "Simple and Complex Carbohydrates". Nutrition Reviews 44 (2).
* DHHS and USDA, Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2010

By the way, this poster got this list of credible references from *gasp* Wikipedia! Oh Noes!!!

Are those unreliable?

You're a joke ruiner. You ruin people's jokes. You're like Regina George.

tammyschleicher

How Rude!!!!! Get some common sense and yes ask the homeless guy under the bridge because he probably has more tact and common sense than you have.

DYELB

The answer is that McDonald's is delicious and parents should let there kids have some from time to time.

WalkingAlong

Carbohydrate is also a bit of a catch-all term. If a food isn't fat, protein or alcohol, it gets called carbohydrate by default.

QuietBloom

Well, sugar is defined as 'sucrose' which has a different molecular structure than other carbs.

Here is what I got when I Googled:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate

Use your own fingers then and stop being so lazy. As others have said, that was a perfectly good article about carbohydrates with scientific references.

EvgeniZyntx

Yeah, I'm not going to trust Wikipedia. I'll just ask the homeless guy under the bridge. Thanks anyway.

Is there a scientific paper that shows carb consumption increases rudeness? Geez. Someone spent time writing back and offered a perfectly good answer and that's how you reply? :grumble:

Sugar is a carbohydrate. Fiber is a carbohydrate. You see them listed on food labels because of regulations, laws, etc. You don't see other carbohydrates listed, like starch, because again, the food manufacturer is not required to do so by regulations, laws, etc. Thus the discrepancy between sugar plus fiber grams and carbohydrate grams.

Now go ahead and ask that old guy under the bridge if he agrees.

Wikipedia is not a perfectly good answer unless the question is "Would you please give me a mountain of possibly false information?"

All information is possibly false. All of it.
Wikipedia happens to be reasonably structured, it's a good starting point.

mccindy72

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

Still failing at interpersonal communication.

cmriverside

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

Says the pot

Just_Scott

As the homeless guy under the bridge, I am offended by this thread.

REPORTED!

and someone assumed you are old...really.

kathrinnbauer

Yeah, I'm not going to trust Wikipedia. I'll just ask the homeless guy under the bridge. Thanks anyway.

Is there a scientific paper that shows carb consumption increases rudeness? Geez. Someone spent time writing back and offered a perfectly good answer and that's how you reply? :grumble:

Sugar is a carbohydrate. Fiber is a carbohydrate. You see them listed on food labels because of regulations, laws, etc. You don't see other carbohydrates listed, like starch, because again, the food manufacturer is not required to do so by regulations, laws, etc. Thus the discrepancy between sugar plus fiber grams and carbohydrate grams.

Now go ahead and ask that old guy under the bridge if he agrees.

Wikipedia is not a perfectly good answer unless the question is "Would you please give me a mountain of possibly false information?"

Yeah, I totally agree: Better ask random strangers on some forum. Sounds like a reasonable thing to do

kathrinnbauer

While I agree, some wiki articles should be taken with a grain of salt - I don't see it being any less reliable than the majority of information outlets....including this very message board.

Also the wiki article includes about 29 references to fun stuff like scientific studies etc... Often a wiki article is a great jumping off point for people to start their own research.

I have been burned by that site way too many times to go back.

Hmm, I really wonder why that might be.

BarbieAS

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

Sound advice. We all can probably remember that the next time we ask a group of strangers to do our research for us, and when someone's thoughtful answer includes a source that we find unacceptable (despite most people considering it just fine for basic knowledge, and therefore no one else would have any idea that WE found it unacceptable), we give them a reasonable answer (including some gratitude that that person took the time to answer you) rather than "gee, thanks anyway, but obviously the homeless guy under the bridge is more knowledgeable than you."

As an aside, I additionally find that offensive in that just because someone is experiencing homelessness does not mean that they are unintelligent, often quite the opposite. Generalize much?

Sabine_Stroehm

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

Best of luck on your weight loss journey.

Pandora_King

I'm sorry, but is this not a forum? Where one can ask opinions and share opinions? Well, that's all I did so freaking relax people!

ShannonMpls

Yeah, I'm not going to trust Wikipedia. I'll just ask the homeless guy under the bridge. Thanks anyway.

You won't trust Wiki but you'll trust an internet message board.

All posts should include Jennifer Lawrence gifs.

QuietBloom

I'm sorry, but is this not a forum? Where one can ask opinions and share opinions? Well, that's all I did so freaking relax people!

Sure you can share your opinions. But expect a backlash when you act like a jerk.

sjohnny

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

I don't know where.

Just_Scott

While I agree, some wiki articles should be taken with a grain of salt - I don't see it being any less reliable than the majority of information outlets....including this very message board.

Also the wiki article includes about 29 references to fun stuff like scientific studies etc... Often a wiki article is a great jumping off point for people to start their own research.

I have been burned by that site way too many times to go back.

very accurate...next caller...

Hmm, I really wonder why that might be.

nomeejerome

I'm sorry, but is this not a forum? Where one can ask opinions and share opinions? Well, that's all I did so freaking relax people!

Yes, this is a forum.
Yes, people can ask and share opinions.
However, that does not excuse your reactions/responses in this thread and previous threads.

sjohnny

Yeah, I'm not going to trust Wikipedia. I'll just ask the homeless guy under the bridge. Thanks anyway.

You won't trust Wiki but you'll trust an internet message board.

All posts should include Jennifer Lawrence gifs.

Seconded!

Any objections?





The motion carries.

WendyTerry420

I'm sorry, but is this not a forum? Where one can ask opinions and share opinions? Well, that's all I did so freaking relax people!

Take your own advice! Good luck on your journey! :flowerforyou:

No_Finish_Line

Sugars are simple carbohydrates. Complex carbohydrates, like you get from grains and most veggies, are not included in the sugar count. Most sugars end with "-ose" in the chemical name. Glucose, fructose, sucrose, lactose, etc...

this would be my answer.

Let me also add that it doesn't necessairly matter, all carbs are broken down into glucose, a sugar, in order to be absorbed into the blood stream.

What does matter is the glycemic index of the carb. the higher the GI, the faster the glucose will get into the blood stream and the more likely it is to trigger an insulin response (forcing the glucose in your blood to be stored as fat). and some of the 'complex' carbs actually have a much higher GI then most sugars.

but just keep it at or under your calorie goal and you really shouldn't have to worry about it.

kathrinnbauer

http://www.skillsyouneed.com/ips/social-skills.html
http://www.skillsyouneed.com/general/communication-skills.html

ndj1979

Yeah, I'm not going to trust Wikipedia. I'll just ask the homeless guy under the bridge. Thanks anyway.

i will take wikipedia over a guy under bridge…

WendyTerry420

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

I don't know where.

No_Finish_Line

i'll never understand the unwritten rules of conduct on this rediculous forum.

they don't seem too consistent

kgeyser

Wow. Some people need to take the stick out of you know where. Overreaction alert!

Anticipating your next question….the stick is considered fiber.

ndj1979

Op, I know exactly how you feel. Here are some other sources of info. Some are web links and others are titles of books and articles to google. Hope they help, and good luck on your journey!

* Western Kentucky University (May 29, 2013). "WKU BIO 113 Carbohydrates" . wku.edu.
* Eldra Pearl Solomon, Linda R. Berg, Diana W. Martin; Cengage Learning (2004). Biology . google.books.com. p. 52. ISBN 978-0534278281.
* National Institute of Standards and Technology (2011). "Material Measurement Library D-erythro-Pentose, 2-deoxy-" . nist.gov.
* Long Island University (May 29, 2013). "The Chemistry of Carbohydrates" . brooklyn.liu.edu.
* Purdue University (May 29, 2013). "Carbohydrates: The Monosaccharides" . purdue.edu.
* Flitsch, Sabine L.; Ulijn, Rein V (2003). "Sugars tied to the spot". Nature 421 (6920): 219–20. doi:10.1038/421219a . PMID 12529622 .
* Maton, Anthea; Jean Hopkins, Charles William McLaughlin, Susan Johnson, Maryanna Quon Warner, David LaHart, Jill D. Wright (1993). Human Biology and Health. Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, USA: Prentice Hall. pp. 52–59. ISBN 0-13-981176-1.
* John Merle Coulter, Charler Reid Barnes, Henry Chandler Cowles (1930), A Textbook of Botany for Colleges and Universities "
* Carl A. Burtis, Edward R. Ashwood, Norbert W. Tietz (2000), Tietz fundamentals of clinical chemistry
* Matthews, C. E.; K. E. Van Holde; K. G. Ahern (1999) Biochemistry. 3rd edition. Benjamin Cummings. ISBN 0-8053-3066-6
* Campbell, Neil A.; Brad Williamson; Robin J. Heyden (2006). Biology: Exploring Life . Boston, Massachusetts: Pearson Prentice Hall. ISBN 0-13-250882-6.
* Pigman, Ward; Horton, D. (1972). "Chapter 1: Stereochemistry of the Monosaccharides". In Pigman and Horton. The Carbohydrates: Chemistry and Biochemistry Vol 1A (2nd ed.). San Diego: Academic Press. pp. 1–67.
* Pigman, Ward; Anet, E.F.L.J. (1972). "Chapter 4: Mutarotations and Actions of Acids and Bases". In Pigman and Horton. The Carbohydrates: Chemistry and Biochemistry Vol 1A (2nd ed.). San Diego: Academic Press. pp. 165–194.
* http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y5022e/y5022e04.htm
* http://www.diabetes.org.uk/upload/How we help/catalogue/carb-reference-list-0511.pdf
* a b Westman, EC (2002). "Is dietary carbohydrate essential for human nutrition?". The American journal of clinical nutrition 75 (5): 951–3; author reply 953–4. PMID 11976176 .
* Park, Y; Subar, AF; Hollenbeck, A; Schatzkin, A (2011). "Dietary fiber intake and mortality in the NIH-AARP diet and health study" . Archives of internal medicine 171 (12): 1061–8. doi:10.1001/archinternmed.2011.18 . PMC 3513325 . PMID 21321288 .
* http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.full.pdf+html
* http://www.jneurosci.org/content/23/13/5928.full
* http://www.nature.com/jcbfm/journal/v33/n2/abs/jcbfm2012151a.html
* MedBio.info > Integration of Metabolism Professor em. Robert S. Horn, Oslo, Norway. Retrieved on May 1, 2010. [1]
* Pichon, L; Huneau, JF; Fromentin, G; Tomé, D (2006). "A high-protein, high-fat, carbohydrate-free diet reduces energy intake, hepatic lipogenesis, and adiposity in rats". The Journal of nutrition 136 (5): 1256–60. PMID 16614413 .
* Tighe, P; Duthie, G; Vaughan, N; Brittenden, J; Simpson, WG; Duthie, S; Mutch, W; Wahle, K; Horgan, G; Thies, F. (2010). "Effect of increased consumption of whole-grain foods on blood pressure and other cardiovascular risk markers in healthy middle-aged persons: a randomized, controlled trial". The American journal of clinical nutrition 92 (4): 733–40. doi:10.3945/ajcn.2010.29417 . PMID 20685951 .
* Food and Nutrition Board (2002/2005). Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrate, Fiber, Fat, Fatty Acids, Cholesterol, Protein, and Amino Acids . Washington, D.C.: The National Academies Press. Page 769 . ISBN 0-309-08537-3.
* Joint WHO/FAO expert consultation (2003). [2] (PDF). Geneva: World Health Organization. pp. 55–56. ISBN 92-4-120916-X.
* Joint WHO/FAO expert consultation (1998), Carbohydrates in human nutrition, chapter 1 . ISBN 92-5-104114-8.
* a b "Carbohydrates" . The Nutrition Source. Harvard School of Public Health. Retrieved 3 April 2013.
* Jenkins, David; Alexandra L. Jenkins, Thomas M.S. Woleve, Lilian H. Thompson and A. Venkat Rao (February 1986). "Simple and Complex Carbohydrates". Nutrition Reviews 44 (2).
* DHHS and USDA, Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2010

By the way, this poster got this list of credible references from *gasp* Wikipedia! Oh Noes!!!

Are those unreliable?

I think this guy wrote the article so it should be fine

hey, that guy asked me for five bucks the other day!