Distance runners: How to work past 90 minutes?
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For the tempo session, is the goal for that to work on steady pacing or to increase the pace i.e. moving up from a 5 mph to 6 mph pace etc.?
Generally for your tempo run you're aiming for a consistent faster pace than your long run. So if you're running a 10 minute mile long run then push out a 9 minute mile for the tempo. Session.As for the running long distances on a treadmill, maybe I was a lab rat in a past life
I would never claim it's enjoyable, and I would much prefer an outdoor scenic run, but I've learned how to just focus my brain somewhere else and get it done.
Rather you than me. The only indoor CV work I do is the rowing machine.0 -
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i wanted to throw in my 2 cents since this is near and dear to me.. but I don't have time to read any of these pages of replies so forgive me if I am being repetitive
1) If I over-eat the day before I long run, I feel like crap during my run. That's just me. You may want to stop being full of food when you try your long runs.
2) I think you are psyching yourself out and that the 90 minute thing is totally in your head! What distance do you generally run in 90 minutes? One idea: start focusing on distance instead of time. if you usually run 9 miles, just tell yourself that youre going to run 10, despite the "time" it takes you. I think you've worked it up too much. Can you map out a 10 mile (or whatever distance you would run in over 90 minutes), and then just run it without a watch? Then be surprised that you have gone over 90 without thinking about it!
3) I take a running belt and start drinking gatorade at 60 minutes and then every 30 min after that. You could try it!0 -
that's called the WALL.
DO NOT WALK ...gotta fight through it it is completely mental.
Or alternatively, it is completely physical.
Or a factor of diet/fueling.
That was actually the subset of "physical" I was thinking of...but thought I'd leave it more general.0 -
that's called the WALL.
DO NOT WALK ...gotta fight through it it is completely mental.
Or alternatively, it is completely physical.
Or a factor of diet/fueling.
That was actually the subset of "physical" I was thinking of...but thought I'd leave it more general.
Fair. I tend to view physical as conditioning with fueling being a completely separate challenge and skillset. I know I've screwed it up before. 0 -
that's called the WALL.
DO NOT WALK ...gotta fight through it it is completely mental.
Or alternatively, it is completely physical.
Or a factor of diet/fueling.
That was actually the subset of "physical" I was thinking of...but thought I'd leave it more general.
Fair. I tend to view physical as conditioning with fueling being a completely separate challenge and skillset. I know I've screwed it up before.
Agreed. Improper fueling/diet can certainly lead to a physical wall.0 -
that's called the WALL.
DO NOT WALK ...gotta fight through it it is completely mental.
I always thought "the wall" was physical - you have pretty much depleted your glycogen stores and you basically have no fuel left which makes it almost physically impossible to keep going.
Correct. Many people get tired and call it the Wall, but the true Wall is depleting all your glycogen. And when you hit it, you will never confuse it with just being tired.
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that's called the WALL.
DO NOT WALK ...gotta fight through it it is completely mental.
I always thought "the wall" was physical - you have pretty much depleted your glycogen stores and you basically have no fuel left which makes it almost physically impossible to keep going.
Correct. Many people get tired and call it the Wall, but the true Wall is depleting all your glycogen. And when you hit it, you will never confuse it with just being tired.
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Yes. I was less then fifty feet from my car after getting lost, ending up on a technical trail (that's not as goodas it sounds) for 12 miles with enough water packed for 5. Longest fifty feet of my life. Never felt any thing like it.
The irony bein that I always overpack with water, gels, whatever but this ONE time I just brought water. Something that is key in refueling is consider your weight. Bigger people deplete faster simply because it takes more energy to move. It's all well and good for do and so to go nine miles with nothing but not me. The pissing contests over who takes less never cease to amuse me.
wtf cares? Sometimes I bring a sandwhich on a ten mile run. Sometimes two bottles if water and gummies on a five. I've got nothing to prove.0 -
Correct. Many people get tired and call it the Wall, but the true Wall is depleting all your glycogen. And when you hit it, you will never confuse it with just being tired.
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Yes. I was less then fifty feet from my car after getting lost, ending up on a technical trail (that's not as goodas it sounds) for 12 miles with enough water packed for 5. Longest fifty feet of my life. Never felt any thing like it.
Happened to me about a year ago, I was out on my mountain bike and got lost, ended up doing about 10 miles longer than I'd anticipated, and I lost it about two miles from home.
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See, now that wouldn't have happened if you had been running on a treadmill.....
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See, now that wouldn't have happened if you had been running on a treadmill.....
After about 10 minutes of running on a treadmill I'd be so bored and frustrated I'd be ready to tear someones arms off...
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That is a long time to be running. Bad for your knees, bad for your muscles, maybe slightly good for your heart. It is up to you if you want to run that long, I suppose.
It is probably in your head. Very few modern people are mentally capable of running that long since it isn't a life or death situation. You aren't chasing down food and you aren't running from a predator (there are no other mammals in the world that can run as long as humans without needing a break.) Since the goal is only to finish the run, you have less of a primal drive pushing you. Only the people who make running their life can go into the 2+ hour range I'd say. If you aren't 100% dedicated, then it just won't happen. No shame in that, though.
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It took me a while to go from 90 minutes to 2 hours running. I remember it so well because I found it harder to find a two hour cassette tape! (The standard length was 90 minutes)0
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See, now that wouldn't have happened if you had been running on a treadmill.....
After about 10 minutes of running on a treadmill I'd be so bored and frustrated I'd be ready to tear someones arms off...
It's all relative...
I once did 15 miles on a treadmill.
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Run with a group. Almost the only way to keep the pace and not quit.
Bad idea IMO, if the group is not doing your pace. Your pace should be dictated by your heart rate and how you feel. I used to run in groups for fun, but when I got serious about training for something, I had to run solo to stay in the proper training speed.0 -
Only if the human isn't caught first and turned into lunch.
Not my meaning. Run longer and farther.
They can't outrun a lion.No - humans can outrun anything.
Look, I know it's something that is repeated often, but it is not really very true. You put a human out in the wild and they won't be outrunning anything - they'll be eaten. What allows us to "run longer and farther" isn't our physiology, it's the fact we live in the equivalent of organized herds and can usually fend of much faster animals long enough to live long enough to "run longer and farther".
Which means we aren't outrunning at all - we're out-organizing.
I thought the basis of that whole theory was that we outran our prey, not what was preying on us.
I know in Born to Run it did break down why we could theoretically run longer over distance than a lion and other animals, even dogs, which is what I assume that poster is getting at, not that we do or are supposed to outrun all animals for survival.
Yep. Thank you. Lots of indigenous tribes still practice long distance running (the Masai for example). They aren't 'fast' but can go much much longer than any prey animal can.0 -
Lol, one word, Houston, trust me, the treadmill is preferable.
You think the treadmill is preferable to running in Houston, TX??? I have an awesome treadmill in my basement right in front of a TV w/ cable...and yet I've run outside in <20 degree F (and >95 degree F) weather many times because I hate...HATE...HATE running on the treadmill.
I can't do it watching TV, it's a good book on my kindle or nothing. I could remain completely oblivious to the zombie apocolypse if I had a good book to read.
I could probably work my way around the heat issue, it's the boring issue, I can distract myself with something to read or something to look at. There's nothing inspiring in looking at a bunch or concrete, chain stores/restraunts and sprawling suburban neighborhoods.
That and the no sidewalks or trails thing just pisses me off. There is no such thing as walking in Houston, it is assumed that you will take your car EVERYWHERE. The grocery store is less then a mile from where I live, but to walk there I would have to walk on the street (which is major, six lane heavy traffic) or through lots filled with mud and grass growing up to my hips, and bugs, lots of bugs.
I run in Houston! I guess it depends on what side of town you're on (Houston is a huge city, physically) on how easy it is to find a good place to run.
I run at Memorial Park, though I live in Friendswood (the suburbs). I run after work, which is a closer drive to Memorial. There is a nice 3 mile running loop, plus some AWESOME mountain bike trails I run on when there's daylight in the evenings (spring and summer).
They've also built up the network of bike/run trails along Allen Parkway and the Heights. There's also a nice network in the I-10/Beltway 8 region (Terry Hershey Park, I believe). TC Jester area has a good running trail (might be what meets up with the Heights' trail) It's an ongoing long-term project to expand biking/running trails throughout the city and outside 610 loop.
Anyway, PM or friend request me if you want ideas on where to run outside in Houston. I never run on a treadmill, and dislike running in my neighborhood (quite boring). :drinker:0 -
I run in Houston! I guess it depends on what side of town you're on (Houston is a huge city, physically) on how easy it is to find a good place to run.
I run at Memorial Park, though I live in Friendswood (the suburbs). I run after work, which is a closer drive to Memorial. There is a nice 3 mile running loop, plus some AWESOME mountain bike trails I run on when there's daylight in the evenings (spring and summer).
They've also built up the network of bike/run trails along Allen Parkway and the Heights. There's also a nice network in the I-10/Beltway 8 region (Terry Hershey Park, I believe). TC Jester area has a good running trail (might be what meets up with the Heights' trail) It's an ongoing long-term project to expand biking/running trails throughout the city and outside 610 loop.
Anyway, PM or friend request me if you want ideas on where to run outside in Houston. I never run on a treadmill, and dislike running in my neighborhood (quite boring). :drinker:
I know in theory there are some good places, but from what I have been able to find so far, all of them would be quite a commute just to get there. I'm in the NW Houston area, think 290/1960, I know there is a runners club for my general area, and I even know a few of the people in it, but I do think they just mostly run around the neighborhoods in the area and yea, I don't find that much more stimulating then staring out the window at the lake in the middle of my appartment complex....
Definitely intersted if you know of any good distance running trails that would be closer to me though because I do need to start doing some work outdoors. I think the winter is starting to get to my mood, even with all the exercise....0 -
I'm surprised to learn this about Houston...I thought they were far more "progressive" than that. I expected sidewalks everywhere and lush public parks for everyone. Hmph.
Not sure if serious or sarcasm meter busted? :huh:
I freely admit to skewing a bit to the left (degree in ecology/biology from UCLA), but even within Texas, Houston isn't usually considered to be among the most progressive areas.....some parts of Houston, but typically Austin is about the only major city in Texas that would regularly be described as progressive.0 -
I'm surprised to learn this about Houston...I thought they were far more "progressive" than that. I expected sidewalks everywhere and lush public parks for everyone. Hmph.
Not sure if serious or sarcasm meter busted? :huh:
I freely admit to skewing a bit to the left (degree in ecology/biology from UCLA), but even within Texas, Houston isn't usually considered to be among the most progressive areas.....some parts of Houston, but typically Austin is about the only major city in Texas that would regularly be described as progressive.
Ah, there's the confusion...it's Austin, not Houston. (Your sarcasmometer is working fine. It was a third alternative: I was serious, but I was wrong.)
(Nonetheless, I'm still not doing any significant amount of running on a treadmill. I'm not wrong about that. :drinker:)0 -
I run in Houston! I guess it depends on what side of town you're on (Houston is a huge city, physically) on how easy it is to find a good place to run.
I run at Memorial Park, though I live in Friendswood (the suburbs). I run after work, which is a closer drive to Memorial. There is a nice 3 mile running loop, plus some AWESOME mountain bike trails I run on when there's daylight in the evenings (spring and summer).
They've also built up the network of bike/run trails along Allen Parkway and the Heights. There's also a nice network in the I-10/Beltway 8 region (Terry Hershey Park, I believe). TC Jester area has a good running trail (might be what meets up with the Heights' trail) It's an ongoing long-term project to expand biking/running trails throughout the city and outside 610 loop.
Anyway, PM or friend request me if you want ideas on where to run outside in Houston. I never run on a treadmill, and dislike running in my neighborhood (quite boring). :drinker:
I know in theory there are some good places, but from what I have been able to find so far, all of them would be quite a commute just to get there. I'm in the NW Houston area, think 290/1960, I know there is a runners club for my general area, and I even know a few of the people in it, but I do think they just mostly run around the neighborhoods in the area and yea, I don't find that much more stimulating then staring out the window at the lake in the middle of my appartment complex....
Definitely intersted if you know of any good distance running trails that would be closer to me though because I do need to start doing some work outdoors. I think the winter is starting to get to my mood, even with all the exercise....
See if any of these parks or trails are near you: http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/hikeandbike.html There are 3 sections (existing, new, bike trails)
Also try this link: http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/trails.html
You can also check the PDF's they have of the "bikeways" also to see if any of those are runnable trails near you.
One thing I've done in the past is to pull up my location on Google Maps and look for neighborhood parks near me. A lot of neighborhood parks will have running tracks, but as the parks aren't built by the city, it's not noted anywhere. It's how I found a nice track near my neighborhood that I run at on Sunday mornings when I don't want to drive to Memorial.
A friend of mine who lives near 290/Beltway will drive down to the TC Jester park (more 290/610) to run sometimes, as it has a nice bike/run trail.
Finally, are one of the major bayous near you? A lot of them have sidewalks along them you can run on.
Good luck. I'm lucky enough to work near Memorial, so my half-marathon training was mostly there.0 -
How long do I need to rest between sessions for it not to count against my >90 minutes = knees fall off?
For example, if I run 60 minutes, then rest for 30 minutes, and then run 40 minutes more, will they still fall off? Does the clock reset after a certain amount of rest or does this only happen at midnight each day?
Regardless, the next time my wife drags me to the mall, I'm going to insist that we stop shopping before 90 minutes just to be safe. I don't want to lose my knees.0 -
How long do I need to rest between sessions for it not to count against my >90 minutes = knees fall off?
For example, if I run 60 minutes, then rest for 30 minutes, and then run 40 minutes more, will they still fall off? Does the clock reset after a certain amount of rest or does this only happen at midnight each day?
Regardless, the next time my wife drags me to the mall, I'm going to insist that we stop shopping before 90 minutes just to be safe. I don't want to lose my knees.
They fell off when you starred thinking about running, its that dangerous. I think they are back there with my uterus. Now that running has made my uterus fall out my only hope is go get to the gym where lifting weights will turn me into a man.0 -
I know in theory there are some good places, but from what I have been able to find so far, all of them would be quite a commute just to get there. I'm in the NW Houston area, think 290/1960, I know there is a runners club for my general area, and I even know a few of the people in it, but I do think they just mostly run around the neighborhoods in the area and yea, I don't find that much more stimulating then staring out the window at the lake in the middle of my appartment complex....
Definitely intersted if you know of any good distance running trails that would be closer to me though because I do need to start doing some work outdoors. I think the winter is starting to get to my mood, even with all the exercise....
http://www.walkjogrun.net/
^ Check out this website to find user-mapped routes in your area. I love the website, i used it to find some good routes in my area (and also mapped some of my own). BUT, i should say that I run in a city, in neighborhoods (sometimes down the coast by the beach too). My particular city is a complete mess (cars parked on sidewalks, broken sidewalks, low branches, etc) and it turns out that I NEED that to keep me from getting bored. I tried running a loop at a nice, clear running park and couldn't last 15 minutes. And a treadmill....psssh! forget about it. Also, I try to run straight out and come back by tram or bus to keep from getting bored by doing a big loop. There's something about moving forward to new territory (and not covering the same territory) that keeps me going. I honestly don't see how you can go as long as you do on a treadmill. You have got some serious dedication! Don't worry, just like anything, this is just a little bump and you 'll be over it soon enough. Let usknow how the fueling experiment goes. 0 -
An update for anyone who is interested. This weekend was one of the 4-5 times a year when we get absolutely gorgeous weather (upper 60's and sunny with a slight breeze) so I decided for my own sanity (I get SAD) that I needed to haul my butt outside for the run. I purchased two different types of fueling chews so I could see which ones I liked best, found an old little pouch/purse to use for carrying stuff, stole my husbands cell phone (I refuse to join the modern age and become attached to a social umbilical) and downloaded run keeper. I picked out a 10.23 mile run that I was familiar enough with the route that I thought I could manage.
The start of the run was a disaster. The strap to my purse broke after 5 minutes and I had to try to tie the strap around myself in such a way that the pouch section wouldn't dump everything on the sidewalk since it was now dangling from one thread. While I was familiar with the route, I didn't know some of the areas that actually went in to the neighborhoods, but I thought the app would give me directions. If it does, I didn't figure out how to make it work so I was constantly having to check back with the route to make sure I was on the right track. Finally, even though I went before I left, I had to pee about 5 minutes in to the run but didn't want to stop because at this point I was so frustrated I was about to just walk back to my car and call the whole thing off.
By about ten minutes in I had most of the issues worked out and was able to start concentrating on my run. I decided I liked the soft chews the best so at about 30 minutes I started eating those. I couldn't eat more then one at a time without it distracting me so I just had one every 15 minutes or so after that. I still had to check my route periodically, but I figured out how to do that without having to completely stop and if I decide to run this route again there should be no issues.
Towards the end of the run there was about a 1/2 mile section where the sidewalk disappears and I was on grass for part of it and a gravel/dirt path for the other part. I wear vibrams when I'm running to help me focus on my gait, but I HATE the actual feeling of being barefoot. My feet are big babies and stepping on those stupid little pebbles HURTS and those unseen deathtrap pits covered by grass make me panic about twisting my ankles which has always been a problem for me. I know I know, wimp. It was also at about this time I figured out that I had somehow paused the tracking on run keeper, oohhh, about 30 minutes ago :explode: , so yea, there was that.....
Anyways, finally made it back to my car. 10.23 mile run, about 2 hours and no dead legs. Very very tender feet from 10 miles on concrete, but legs felt fine (still had to pee though). No idea if it was the refueling or just getting distracted during the run by being outside and the various obstacles but......
TL;DR Yay! I made it past 90 minutes on my run!0 -
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