Need serious help with SUGAR!!!!

jonnythan

"Behavioral disorder" is a better description.

Does it really matter what we call it?

Yes, it really does matter.

psuLemon

So CAN you be addicted to SUGAR?
Apparently the answer is YES, if it is combined with Fat and Salt.

Hessler's article is based on his theory. While his theory might hold merit, it isn't confirmed by testing.; essentially, his theory still needs to be tested. It's possible in time, that his theories will be proved or possibly disproved. So we have to wait and see.



But I agree with jonnythan, it does matter how it's classified. If someone is addicted (physically or emotionally) to a specific food and causing a binge disorder, then us (as members) need to provide a recommendation of professional help as opposed to the answer, "just cut the food out of your diet". There are plenty of threads on this forum where this happens such as the below:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1192338-i-am-on-a-1200-calorie-diet-and-i-gained


When our community runs into a thread where a true disorder is apparent, it's overwhelming how many will suggest professional help. If the OP has a binge disorder caused by hyperpalatable foods, then the answer would be seek professional help. The bigger question for the OP is, does she have a disorder or does she not have will power? Does she go through withdraw from not eating cookies... does her life stop if she can't eat sugary foods? If not, it may not be addiction or a disorder, but rather a habitual issue with tasty foods.

I understand that it's frustrating to fight semantics, but in the pursuit of correct information, it does matter. Keep in mind that correct information can evolve with time as new science emerges.

msf74

And what pray tell is Hyperpalatable food? Why it appears to be foods with Fat, Sugar and salt.

So apparently the debate has now been settled.

I pretty much said the same thing early on in Part 1 of this thread in relation to combining sugar with other foodstuffs (particularly fat) as well as techniques that could be used and yet here we still are...

David Kessler's book on over eating which is mentioned in this article is great by the way, especially his examination of the food industry.

I think various forms of binge / unconsciously driven eating are a massive problem and may in fact be the problem most people need to the address, especially if they have been broken by yo you dieting.

I do also understand how powerless this may make people feel and how it is very easy to perceive this behaviour as an addiction. It does matter that we call it what it is though as it gives the person who is suffering a great deal of power - they can and they will change their behaviour without the need for abstinence if they are given exposure to the right techniques.

People don't need willpower to crack this. They need skillpower

WendyTerry420

Just wanted to say that of course a pill can be titrated unless it is specifically a slow release compound. I don't know of any good studies that show cannabis treating either ADHD or bi-polar. In fact, in many people, it has the effect of making them less likely to be productive. I say this as someone who thinks it should be legal, because it definitely has uses for cancer patients, Crohn's and IBS to name 3 off the top of my head.

Yes, but, as with many things that have not been properly studied, people like the way they "feel" so they're convinced it's treating them. For the three disorders you noted, it's helpful because the seffects of use counteract symptoms of those disorders, which would not be the case for something like ADHD or Bipolar. In none of the three cases is it actually treating the disorder itself, which is important to do first/concurrently.

Although both will benefit from counseling, one of the big differences between ADHD and Bipolar in respect to treamtent is that ADHD is extremely amenable to behavior modification. Behavioral therapy can do wonders where home life and parenting styles have not supported good coping strategies. With some bipolars this is helpful, and some not at all. I do, however, think that Bipolar is a diagnosis that should be revisited multiple times, and by qualified psychiatrists, not GPs.

For me, the counseling is the best thing I ever did. One of the main things I still do to this day is when I start to get distracted from my work, I get up and go for a walk. When I return to my desk, I can get back to what I was doing.

Also, I have zero faith in psychiatrists, and will never go back to one. If they want to prescribe me some methylphenidate or Adderall, I'll take it, but I'm not going to be a guinea pig. I am nearly 40 years old and have dealt with this my whole life. I know what works and what doesn't. I think many of these "disorders" would benefit more from behavior therapy than from drugs.


ETA: And I may have misread, but if you were referring to Crohn's, it has been studied in England, in Spain, and quite thoroughly in Israel. You might want to do some research if you haven't. Cannabidiol is apparently capable of healing the gut, which is why it's capable of putting Crohn's in remission.

People who don't need meds are fine with counseling. People who want/need meds are negligent in having them prescribed and monitored by someone without specific training in that specialty. Prescribing them under the advice of the specialist, for the convenience of having one doctor writing all prescriptions is one thing. A PCP or GP does not possess the knowledge to properly monitor psych meds, any more than he/she does with cardiac meds.

You did misread, or you don't understand the complexity of properly studying something as chemically complex as marijuana.

The real problem is that there are a host of other treatment options that can put Chron's in remission and keep it there. Most people just don't like the other options as much. Again, people like their quick fixes.

You might want to look at the latest research before making such claims. In the last three years, several studies have explained *why* cannabis is the best medicine for GI disorders. It is no longer just some clinical interviews with anecdotes. The first big one was in the U.K.'s Gastroenterology journal. But the more recent ones put a lie to any claim that cannabis isn't medicine for patients suffering from GI disorders. (I recently wrote an informational pamphlet on this topic. I had to make the cited works section in 9pt Times and it still took up the entire back side of the pamphlet.)


My husband has been on every Crohn's medicine out there. NONE of them work for him. Those drugs have no potential except to relieve symptoms and often come with nasty side effects. In fact, Remicade put him in the ER; it temporarily paralyzed him. After that, I determined to find a source of medicinal quality cannabis and to learn more about it. No more pharmaceutical nightmares for our household!

His GI informed him that his intestines now show "no sign" of Crohn's. He has been in remission for nearly 10 years now, and cannabis is the ONLY medicine he has been taking. Maybe the Crohn's will come back if he quit using it, so I hesitate to say he is "cured," but he most certainly is in remission and has the medical records to prove it.

A decade of being symptom-free is not what I'd call a "quick fix." He has a FB group for other Crohn's patients who use cannabis, and the reports are the same. People are dropping their steroids and IV treatments for a better quality of life.

Also, a Chinese study recently showed that people with GI disorders genetically express their CB1 differently. Their bodies do not produce enough endocannabinoids, so introducing external cannabinoids corrects the problem. (Yes, even China has surpasses the U.S. in the latest medical research. *sigh*)

So....we already know that the intestinal tract is lined with both CB1 and CB2 receptors. Now we also know that cannabidiol acts on the gut lining to actually *HEAL* it! Obviously, there is more we can learn, but what is already out there is overwhelming proof for Crohn's patients.






TBH, most patients don't care why it works. They are simply happy to FINALLY find a medicine that gives them their life back.

QuietBloom

Just wanted to say that of course a pill can be titrated unless it is specifically a slow release compound. I don't know of any good studies that show cannabis treating either ADHD or bi-polar. In fact, in many people, it has the effect of making them less likely to be productive. I say this as someone who thinks it should be legal, because it definitely has uses for cancer patients, Crohn's and IBS to name 3 off the top of my head.

Yes, but, as with many things that have not been properly studied, people like the way they "feel" so they're convinced it's treating them. For the three disorders you noted, it's helpful because the seffects of use counteract symptoms of those disorders, which would not be the case for something like ADHD or Bipolar. In none of the three cases is it actually treating the disorder itself, which is important to do first/concurrently.

Although both will benefit from counseling, one of the big differences between ADHD and Bipolar in respect to treamtent is that ADHD is extremely amenable to behavior modification. Behavioral therapy can do wonders where home life and parenting styles have not supported good coping strategies. With some bipolars this is helpful, and some not at all. I do, however, think that Bipolar is a diagnosis that should be revisited multiple times, and by qualified psychiatrists, not GPs.

For me, the counseling is the best thing I ever did. One of the main things I still do to this day is when I start to get distracted from my work, I get up and go for a walk. When I return to my desk, I can get back to what I was doing.

Also, I have zero faith in psychiatrists, and will never go back to one. If they want to prescribe me some methylphenidate or Adderall, I'll take it, but I'm not going to be a guinea pig. I am nearly 40 years old and have dealt with this my whole life. I know what works and what doesn't. I think many of these "disorders" would benefit more from behavior therapy than from drugs.


ETA: And I may have misread, but if you were referring to Crohn's, it has been studied in England, in Spain, and quite thoroughly in Israel. You might want to do some research if you haven't. Cannabidiol is apparently capable of healing the gut, which is why it's capable of putting Crohn's in remission.

Yes, I think I said, or meant to say, that it is effective for Crohns.

WendyTerry420

Just wanted to say that of course a pill can be titrated unless it is specifically a slow release compound. I don't know of any good studies that show cannabis treating either ADHD or bi-polar. In fact, in many people, it has the effect of making them less likely to be productive. I say this as someone who thinks it should be legal, because it definitely has uses for cancer patients, Crohn's and IBS to name 3 off the top of my head.

Yes, but, as with many things that have not been properly studied, people like the way they "feel" so they're convinced it's treating them. For the three disorders you noted, it's helpful because the seffects of use counteract symptoms of those disorders, which would not be the case for something like ADHD or Bipolar. In none of the three cases is it actually treating the disorder itself, which is important to do first/concurrently.

Although both will benefit from counseling, one of the big differences between ADHD and Bipolar in respect to treamtent is that ADHD is extremely amenable to behavior modification. Behavioral therapy can do wonders where home life and parenting styles have not supported good coping strategies. With some bipolars this is helpful, and some not at all. I do, however, think that Bipolar is a diagnosis that should be revisited multiple times, and by qualified psychiatrists, not GPs.

For me, the counseling is the best thing I ever did. One of the main things I still do to this day is when I start to get distracted from my work, I get up and go for a walk. When I return to my desk, I can get back to what I was doing.

Also, I have zero faith in psychiatrists, and will never go back to one. If they want to prescribe me some methylphenidate or Adderall, I'll take it, but I'm not going to be a guinea pig. I am nearly 40 years old and have dealt with this my whole life. I know what works and what doesn't. I think many of these "disorders" would benefit more from behavior therapy than from drugs.


ETA: And I may have misread, but if you were referring to Crohn's, it has been studied in England, in Spain, and quite thoroughly in Israel. You might want to do some research if you haven't. Cannabidiol is apparently capable of healing the gut, which is why it's capable of putting Crohn's in remission.

Yes, I think I said, or meant to say, that it is effective for Crohns.

Right. I know. That was intended for Greytfish.

ninerbuff

Does it really matter what we call it?

For people looking for correct information, of course it matters. There's a difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis. Some don't know the difference because they sound the same and are caused by eating very low carb. One is deadly while the other isn't.

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