This Cures Depression
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This is the biggest load I've seen on here in a long time. Depression is a biological disorder, not a "weed" to be pulled from your "mind garden."
Just when I thought I'd seen it all...0 -
I have an incredible mindset. I also have chemical imbalances. I deal with depression. Not because I think I'm inadequate or life is horrible (I'm very optimistic), but the chemicals cause issues with mood. Nice try though.
ETA: I elect to not take drugs for it. Vitamin D helps slightly since I have very low levels of it.0 -
15 years of various therapies / medications/ hospital trips and so much suffering
AND YOU FIXED ME IN 2 secounds
nope. only I can do that and it certainly is not as simple as plucking a weed0 -
and you do what for a living again?
Not sure what my job has to do with anything, but I've lived with depression my entire life and I've learned the hard way that not taking medication is a bad idea. Maybe there are some people out there that can get by without it just by eating healthy and exercising but I can't. And I think it's extremely irresponsible to imply otherwise.0 -
So tell me clearly why the broken hand needed medicine but the brain of a depressed person doesn't, please. I'm not getting why you believe that the human brain shouldn't/isn't able to be aided by medical science when the limbs should be/are.
you are going out on a limb here but let me tell you.......
Tell me more about how a broken arm can be healed by positive thoughts.
its not but all depression can be helped by alternative to drugs.......I don't advocate for any medication.~sighs deeply~
While what you suggest probably will relate to some people, it's complete nonsense for others.
Not all depression is circumstantial.
I recently broke my hand.......I don't wear a brace, I haven't seek treatment, physically therapy or pain meds.....but I know its broken.....like a mind for instances........so when I workout.......and I do, weights, pushups etc....it hurts a lot in the beginning but over time its gotten less painful......but I know its going to hurt but I still do it...why do I do it? well see I don't want to give up on what I want and that is working out to stay healthy.....therefore, the positive thoughts I have that it will eventually get better if I just keep going is working.
I thought we were talking about depression here......oh wait.0 -
So tell me clearly why the broken hand needed medicine but the brain of a depressed person doesn't, please. I'm not getting why you believe that the human brain shouldn't/isn't able to be aided by medical science when the limbs should be/are.
He's actually saying that the broken hand didn't need medicine. He just powered through it. You know. Like ya do.0 -
tell me more about how you know more about depression than all my Psychology professors. I'm sure they'd LOVE to know you discovered a cure that works 100% of the time on 100% of patients with major depressive disorder. Y'know, because the psychology and psychiatric (the former which DOESN'T rely on medication) fields still have not.0
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I am sorry op, read the title, opened this post, saw your profile photo, giggled and moved on
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~sighs deeply~
While what you suggest probably will relate to some people, it's complete nonsense for others.
Not all depression is circumstantial.
Yah.
The following is a helpful overview of the subject:
http://www.upworthy.com/what-is-depression-let-this-animation-with-a-dog-shed-light-on-it
I wish this video was a requirement for the general population. Then *maybe* the "snap out of it" mentality would cease.0 -
I'm not an expert on it by no means. I'm speaking from people who have been diagnosed with it whom I've observed. I'm very well aware of people who are pessimists and negative nancy's (I deal with them daily) who just that way naturally. I'm speaking of people who despite support and caring, can't seem to "brighten" up in any way.From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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FYI, here's the definition of clinical depression: a state of depression and anhedonia so severe as to require clinical intervention
NOT a choice. REQUIRES clinical intervention. If you're just talking about pessimists and negative nancies, that's not a DEPRESSED person. I do agree that some people are just NEGATIVE and choose to stay that way. But depression is not a choice. To suggest that is insensitive at best.
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all depression is different but exercise and music etc other forms of enjoyment and hobbies release chemicals that our brains should normal release anyway but by doing these types of things we increase the release and the connections to those brain synapses that do promote "the feeling of being depressed"
its not but all depression can be helped by alternative to drugs.......I don't advocate for any medication.~sighs deeply~
While what you suggest probably will relate to some people, it's complete nonsense for others.
Not all depression is circumstantial.
I'm sorry, I disagree with you, unless you mean 'helped' in a small not particularly noticeable way.
I'm glad you prefaced by saying all depression is different.
Some years ago, I frequented a gym, had a PT, and never experienced the positive mental benefits of exercise. What I experienced was extreme anger.
Without medication, and when I'm in the depths of depression, being around upbeat people, listing to upbeat music, or trying to do things that I might otherwise enjoy, inevitably either piss me off or set me to tears.
There is a reason that mental illness is one of the hardest things to treat.0 -
I'm not an expert on it by no means. I'm speaking from people who have been diagnosed with it whom I've observed. I'm very well aware of people who are pessimists and negative nancy's (I deal with them daily) who just that way naturally. I'm speaking of people who despite support and caring, can't seem to "brighten" up in any way.From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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FYI, here's the definition of clinical depression: a state of depression and anhedonia so severe as to require clinical intervention
NOT a choice. REQUIRES clinical intervention. If you're just talking about pessimists and negative nancies, that's not a DEPRESSED person. I do agree that some people are just NEGATIVE and choose to stay that way. But depression is not a choice. To suggest that is insensitive at best.
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I had to think about what you said regarding the giving up.
For me, I never gave up. If I had I would have committed suicide. I came close many times, but never actually made an attempt.
To an outsider, maybe it appeared as if I gave up on so many things because I was unable to do them.0 -
I'm not an expert on it by no means. I'm speaking from people who have been diagnosed with it whom I've observed. I'm very well aware of people who are pessimists and negative nancy's (I deal with them daily) who just that way naturally. I'm speaking of people who despite support and caring, can't seem to "brighten" up in any way.From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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FYI, here's the definition of clinical depression: a state of depression and anhedonia so severe as to require clinical intervention
NOT a choice. REQUIRES clinical intervention. If you're just talking about pessimists and negative nancies, that's not a DEPRESSED person. I do agree that some people are just NEGATIVE and choose to stay that way. But depression is not a choice. To suggest that is insensitive at best.
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I had to think about what you said regarding the giving up.
For me, I never gave up. If I had I would have committed suicide. I came close many times, but never actually made an attempt.
To an outsider, maybe it appeared as if I gave up on so many things because I was unable to do them.
I think your last statement is really well said. "Giving up" implies some sense of agency. Depression suppresses your agency. It's not that we choose not to care but that we can't figure out how to care. (or, at least, it is/was for me. every depression is different)0 -
As the OP, i cannot fully recant my original post. Its principles wholeheartedly applied would still aid in the healing process. But, I do acknowledge the sentiments of those suffering from clinical depression.
I watched the video about the black dog. To me, it seemed to convey many of the same ideas that I shared in the original post. In the end, if you can train your black dog new tricks, then is it not by using some of the same tools which I originally mentioned. Certainly, they wouldn't hurt.
I am startlingly surprised at the tone of many who have posted on this thread. I feel attacked and belittled for my attempts to offer some constructive advice. I'm not one to get offended. I'm just surprised, that's all.
At least we've provoked some conversation on the issue and some people have expressed gratitude for the post. That's all I intended. So, if what I've said has been offensive to you, I apologize. And if you still feel like punching me in the face, then you are welcome to print my pic and go to town.
I am gracefully bowing out of this discussion. Thank you all for your participation.0 -
I'm not an expert on it by no means. I'm speaking from people who have been diagnosed with it whom I've observed. I'm very well aware of people who are pessimists and negative nancy's (I deal with them daily) who just that way naturally. I'm speaking of people who despite support and caring, can't seem to "brighten" up in any way.From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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*SMH*
FYI, here's the definition of clinical depression: a state of depression and anhedonia so severe as to require clinical intervention
NOT a choice. REQUIRES clinical intervention. If you're just talking about pessimists and negative nancies, that's not a DEPRESSED person. I do agree that some people are just NEGATIVE and choose to stay that way. But depression is not a choice. To suggest that is insensitive at best.
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Perhaps because clinical depression, like any other disease, cannot be cured by support and caring.0 -
I am startlingly surprised at the tone of many who have posted on this thread. I feel attacked and belittled for my attempts to offer some constructive advice. I'm not one to get offended. I'm just surprised, that's all.
It's because depressed people have been told throughout their lives by well-meaning, but uninformed people... 'Cheer Up!', 'You need to SMILE!' and 'Snap out of it!'
I'm sure you meant well, but your post basically followed that script. People react strongly because it's kind of a slap-in-the-face and a trivialization of a serious health problem that is a lifelong battle for many people.
Coincidentally, I just stumbled across this '6 Things Not to Say to Someone with Depression': http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/29/what-not-to-say-to-someon_n_4675854.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular0 -
love the profile avatar!This is the biggest load I've seen on here in a long time. Depression is a biological disorder, not a "weed" to be pulled from your "mind garden."
Just when I thought I'd seen it all...
and I'm not even agreeing with the OP
but not all depression should be evaluated or assessed the same way.......I mean being overweight to me shouldn't even be allowed to be a major depressive disorder.....EVER.
Of course if you are fat you aren't happy.............I mean come on......Clinically Depression by diagnosis should be that for having the symptoms WITHOUT A REASON for FEELING THAT WAY. Sorry to have to emphasis but some people aren't understanding that....
I'm not a doctor, but I don't believe that being overweight is diagnosed as a depressive disorder, ever. Clinical depression is due to chemical issues in the brain-which have nothing to do with weight - nor anything to do with having a reason to feel that way. I was exactly the same level of depressed when I was morbidly obese as I am now (just a touch above a healthy weight).0 -
I have to agree, the suggested advice does work for some. Clinically depressed (these are the people that usually it is a chemical imbalance), it won't work for. Those that are clinically depressed and experience an "episode", you don't know you've been hit with it until the suicidal thoughts start. And once diagnosed as clinically depressed, if you are a lucky one that doesn't need to stay on meds, you still chance the smallest thing triggering it. It's literally like you've been covered with a huge black blanket, those really heavy thick kind of blankets. You can function if you're lucky but it's very slow motion in your perception. The light of positive thought does not get through that.
Yes, I'm speaking from experience. And yes, basically I try to trick my mind as often as I can but there are times that I cannot. I'm just starting to come out of one of those episodes. Exercise is working for me for several hours after I exercise, but the depression comes back and I have to repeat the process. Okay in the grand scheme of losing weight, this is a good thing but in regards to the depression, it's only temporary.
Depression is often misunderstood because people do believe it's all about the depressed person being a pessimist (ie it's all about attitude). I know I'm not normally a pessimist. I equate it to Tigger and Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh. Tigger is your normal, everyday happy positive person. And I shoot to be Tigger. But when I get hit with a depressive episode, despite what I try, I become Eeyore. I feel like "why bother, nothing will work", even when I've already proven that it does work. There are things I can do to make the episode duration shorter, but I know that I do have to do those things and work through the episode.
I don't say that the person who suffers from depression shouldn't take the advice. I don't say that the person who suffers from depression shouldn't get all the help they can get to control their disease instead of give into their disease. I do say that the outside world who doesn't suffer from depression, understand that it is a disease, not an attitude. And that those people learn to help the person who suffers from depression to fight it instead of treat it as the depressed person needs to change their attitude.0 -
love the profile avatar!This is the biggest load I've seen on here in a long time. Depression is a biological disorder, not a "weed" to be pulled from your "mind garden."
Just when I thought I'd seen it all...
and I'm not even agreeing with the OP
but not all depression should be evaluated or assessed the same way.......I mean being overweight to me shouldn't even be allowed to be a major depressive disorder.....EVER.
Of course if you are fat you aren't happy.............I mean come on......Clinically Depression by diagnosis should be that for having the symptoms WITHOUT A REASON for FEELING THAT WAY. Sorry to have to emphasis but some people aren't understanding that....
Sorry, but you can't assume that just because a person is overweight that he or she is automatically unhappy.
And you are right to say that not all depression should be evaluated the same way - every person presents differently. But for the OP to post a topic that blares "THIS CURES DEPRESSION" is making a horrendously bad blanket statement by itself. Depression, from my standpoint, is a clinical illness that doesn't just go away because you perk up your shoulders, pick up your head, and whistle through life. It requires therapy, which can include practice in positive thinking - but must also include a medical approach in order to be successful.
The OP seems to be saying "Hey, just get over it and you'll be fine." Nothing could be further from the truth.0 -
Depressed people don't smile or laugh. Therefore, a smiling or laughing person doesn't stay depressed for very long. Stand up, throw your arms in the air, put a big smile on your face and tell yourself how amazing things are going to happen to you, and then have a big laugh about it, and I guarantee that your depressing thoughts will not stay around to join the party. That's right! I'm telling you how to crash a pity-party.
If you don't think depressed people smile or laugh, you probably don't have a clear picture of the breadth and scope of how depression actually manifests in people.
Clinically depressed people usually still have the full range of feelings and emotions. Depression is an odd combination of despair/hopelessness/indifference/numbness, but amid all that sadness there are still moments of laughter and levity. They're just not enough to pull you out of the 'sad pit'.
And, if only it were so simple to 'just cheer up' or let positive people/activities change your mood and rub off on you, then there probably wouldn't be so many people struggling with depression.
You've oversimplified.
^^^^THIS.0 -
I had post partum depression.
Damn, I should have just thought happy thoughts to fix it.0 -
Agreed, it was a class act for you to be able to say this, OP.Thank you all. I feel thoroughly educated at this point. Wish you all the best with your avenues of recovery, whatever they may be.
Thank you for reading with an open mind and considering what we have to say :flowerforyou:
I think your advice is good stuff for people not dealing with off-balance brain chemicals. For someone who is now well-managed like me, your stuff reads like a lot of what you'll learn in CBT (which I need, in conjunction with anti-depressants, diet, exercise, vitamin D, and light therapy). For someone who can't get the energy together to brush their teeth or take a shower, it's a bit much. I'm glad you understand that now.0 -
People have already covered what I would have said, and the OP has recognised that their post isn't a one-size-fits-all solution (heck, that concept doesn't even apply to CLOTHES!), but I'd just like to link to this Cracked article-
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-facts-everyone-gets-wrong-about-depression/
Y'know, for a humour site they have a lot of good stuff about serious matters....0 -
No. depression is an illness that makes you feel utterly worthless and like there's absolutely no point in you doing anything, and trying to get anything done when you're suffering from it is like wading through treacle when there's absolutely no point to wading through treacle and it's better to just let yourself stagnate, drown and die.
This is a perfect description of how I feel almost all of the time. And I have not given up on a g*dd**n thing. I continue to search for additional non-medicinal ways to manage this evil thing that has invaded my brain, and every single day I still get up and take care of my family. Most days I'd rather lie in bed, and some days I'd much rather kill myself, but guess what? I keep fighting it. But it doesn't mean it's not real, and it doesn't mean that "positive thoughts" will "cure" it. Also, as I've spent the last two + years pretty much exhausting all non-medicinal routes, this is probably the year I will have to go on medication for it. Because I am so sick of feeling like this.
TMI. *shrug*
ETA: just a note that I have absolutely no reason to feel this way. I have an amazing life, and yet here it is, dragging me down the rabbit hole.
Also, thanks to zyxst for posting that blog...great stuff.0 -
So my definition isn't close enough? Mine is just a cliff note of this right?From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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No. depression is an illness that makes you feel utterly worthless and like there's absolutely no point in you doing anything, and trying to get anything done when you're suffering from it is like wading through treacle when there's absolutely no point to wading through treacle and it's better to just let yourself stagnate, drown and die. Again, I'm not an expert at all in this field, but from a diagnosed person, this is what I have observed.
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~sighs deeply~
While what you suggest probably will relate to some people, it's complete nonsense for others.
Not all depression is circumstantial.
Yah.
The following is a helpful overview of the subject:
http://www.upworthy.com/what-is-depression-let-this-animation-with-a-dog-shed-light-on-it
What a terrible name for a dog.0 -
No I've experienced it, I just have no expertise in it. And what don't you like about my sig? It's legit.From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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You clearly have no experience in this arena as you haven't added it to your ridiculous signature.
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\I didn't say a person with depression or a person with something broken don't need meds.....I'm saying NOT everyone one does......some people go about it because others encourage them or direct them in that particular way.
You said all depression can be helped by an alternative to drugs, and that you don't advocate any medication. I must have misunderstood that to mean that you were saying that all depression could be treated by other means and no one should take medication. I'm sorry that I misunderstood your point.
You're right, there are other things that help depression. So far for me exercise hasn't made a significant difference, but I have found a lot of hope and peace in my religion. And not everyone needs medication.
But some of us do. That doesn't make me weak or dependent. If a person with asthma needs to user their inhaler on a hike, that doesn't make them weak or dependent. They have a condition that they have to treat. Period.0 -
Something for me to research since it's not something I've had to deal with much. Practically everyone I've dealt with in my line of work are looking for improvement and change. I am convinced that chemical reactions in the brain will effect emotions, thinking and sexual preference, but again, not at all versed in how depression actually works. I do know it can be treated with drug protocols though.
I'm not an expert on it by no means. I'm speaking from people who have been diagnosed with it whom I've observed. I'm very well aware of people who are pessimists and negative nancy's (I deal with them daily) who just that way naturally. I'm speaking of people who despite support and caring, can't seem to "brighten" up in any way.From my experience, a depressed person really just gives up on everything.
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FYI, here's the definition of clinical depression: a state of depression and anhedonia so severe as to require clinical intervention
NOT a choice. REQUIRES clinical intervention. If you're just talking about pessimists and negative nancies, that's not a DEPRESSED person. I do agree that some people are just NEGATIVE and choose to stay that way. But depression is not a choice. To suggest that is insensitive at best.
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Perhaps because clinical depression, like any other disease, cannot be cured by support and caring.
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I think anyone who ever had depression, or has a loved one who went through depression would find this insanely insulting.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2011/10/adventures-in-depression.html
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html0
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