move less and eat less

pcastagner

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your body comes back stronger than before? that's not a given, sorry. your body comes back stronger than before IF: 1)resources are available
2)it has an opportunity to repair itself fully

But why would you NOT give it the resources it requires and the opportunity to repair itself?

that's the question I asked in my OP, based on the curious case of me, a guy who DID JUST THAT!

it appears you agree with me, sir, but are confused about why someone would need to be told. the answer is that some people are like me, it makes no sense, but we can help fix it with some choice reminders and shifts in emphasis.

So your solution is to eat less and move less?

yup!

instead of trying to create a deficit with exercise, I just eat less, and rest more (move less).


just like the people coming out of the woodwork now that the haters who have been rushing to take me down have mostly moved on (or been reported), I noticed a really weird acceleration in fat loss from extra rest (which I only started doing to make strength gains by following a program requiring 4 rest days per week minimum). That's not my evidence for you guys, but it was enough to get me thinking.

Then I started reviewing all the literature that got me here, and wtf! I've been ignoring this recommendation from the start, because exercise was my distraction and that was more important to me than progress.


ETA - the most salient counter-point here came from sarauk2sf (again), who pointed out that this is only possible because i can get enough to run 1000 cal deficits without malnourished, while being sedentary, whereas certain very small and lean individuals (usually women) would not be able to pull it off without some cardio.

Holy crap. Haters? People are allowed to have opposing opinions or to question your points,its an open forum, that does not make them haters. You are the one who has been condescending and insulting to those who don't agree with you.

I'm not saying everyone who disagrees here is a hater.


Are you seriously saying none of them are?


Not saying I'm perfect either, some I my comments are just crabby. But you know what? The people who replied positively to this thread, as few and far between as they are, and the manner in which they responded, is more than enough to make this poster very happy for trying.

mxmkenney

@ pcastegner - I get what your saying. A couple years ago I was doing "Slim in Six" 6 days a week for 6 weeks and I lost NOTHING - not one pound! I think the main contributor to my lack of weight loss was that I ate back all the calories I burned. Working out hard makes you more hungry, and when your trying to lose weight, you have to eat less - period. The less you work out the less likely you are to eat extra calories. I get that now. Weight-loss is very much diet focused. Maintenance, on the other hand, can be achieved by consistent exercise.

J72FIT

@ pcastegner - I get what your saying. A couple years ago I was doing "Slim in Six" 6 days a week for 6 weeks and I lost NOTHING - not one pound! I think the main contributor to my lack of weight loss was that I ate back all the calories I burned. Working out hard makes you more hungry, and when your trying to lose weight, you have to eat less - period. The less you work out the less likely you are to eat extra calories. I get that now. Weight-loss is very much diet focused. Maintenance, on the other hand, can be achieved by consistent exercise.

Working out at a high intensity 6 days a week is a bit much unless you are athlete and in that instance body comp is not there primary driver, performance is.

pcastagner

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@ pcastegner - I get what your saying. A couple years ago I was doing "Slim in Six" 6 days a week for 6 weeks and I lost NOTHING - not one pound! I think the main contributor to my lack of weight loss was that I ate back all the calories I burned. Working out hard makes you more hungry, and when your trying to lose weight, you have to eat less - period. The less you work out the less likely you are to eat extra calories. I get that now. Weight-loss is very much diet focused. Maintenance, on the other hand, can be achieved by consistent exercise.

Working out at a high intensity 6 days a week is a bit much unless you are athlete and in that instance body comp is not there primary driver, performance is.

And yet lots of people here touted their 6 a week as proof I'm wrong.

alisonlynn1976

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Working out makes me motivated to fuel my body properly to facilitate the workout. If not for exercise, I would (and did) eat more out of boredom. No way would I have lost this much weight without exercise. The amount I have to eat to lose weight with no exercise is so low that I can't stick to it long-term. What I'm doing now is what works for me.

Hey, great!

Just keep in mind, as you lean out you may need to up your game if you want to keep going, as I have found. Since the rules haven't changed, it strongly implies if you can find a way to distract yourself that isn't exercise, you will be EVEN BETTER at this NOW, regardless of leanness.

if you are already PERFECT, and have NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, I can see why you would reject what I have to say out of hand.

Why are you personally attacking me for stating what works for me? But yeah, you're right, I'm already perfect.

pcastagner

@ pcastegner - I get what your saying. A couple years ago I was doing "Slim in Six" 6 days a week for 6 weeks and I lost NOTHING - not one pound! I think the main contributor to my lack of weight loss was that I ate back all the calories I burned. Working out hard makes you more hungry, and when your trying to lose weight, you have to eat less - period. The less you work out the less likely you are to eat extra calories. I get that now. Weight-loss is very much diet focused. Maintenance, on the other hand, can be achieved by consistent exercise.

Yup!

If you wanted to, you could basically say it seems that your tdee relative to your capacity to expend energy creates a context which modulates how you behave in response to a negative energy balance,

3dogsrunning

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@ pcastegner - I get what your saying. A couple years ago I was doing "Slim in Six" 6 days a week for 6 weeks and I lost NOTHING - not one pound! I think the main contributor to my lack of weight loss was that I ate back all the calories I burned. Working out hard makes you more hungry, and when your trying to lose weight, you have to eat less - period. The less you work out the less likely you are to eat extra calories. I get that now. Weight-loss is very much diet focused. Maintenance, on the other hand, can be achieved by consistent exercise.

Working out at a high intensity 6 days a week is a bit much unless you are athlete and in that instance body comp is not there primary driver, performance is.

And yet lots of people here touted their 6 a week as proof I'm wrong.

I didn't use it as "proof" you were wrong. I offered my experience because it outright contradicts what you claim to contradict and to point out that there may be other factors involved.
In my case, body comp was a priority. Performance was a benefit.


And no, I didn't say no one was a "hater" although I hate that word.

pcastagner

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@ pcastegner - I get what your saying. A couple years ago I was doing "Slim in Six" 6 days a week for 6 weeks and I lost NOTHING - not one pound! I think the main contributor to my lack of weight loss was that I ate back all the calories I burned. Working out hard makes you more hungry, and when your trying to lose weight, you have to eat less - period. The less you work out the less likely you are to eat extra calories. I get that now. Weight-loss is very much diet focused. Maintenance, on the other hand, can be achieved by consistent exercise.

Working out at a high intensity 6 days a week is a bit much unless you are athlete and in that instance body comp is not there primary driver, performance is.

And yet lots of people here touted their 6 a week as proof I'm wrong.

I didn't use it as "proof" you were wrong. I offered my experience because it outright contradicts what you claim to contradict and to point out that there may be other factors involved.
In my case, body comp was a priority. Performance was a benefit.


And no, I didn't say no one was a "hater" although I hate that word.

In that case it doesn't apply to you. Problem solved. I meant one of the other dozens of people who responded very harshly.