Anyone taking Phentermine 37.5?
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Dear Dr. Trogalicious,
Shaking your head at people is helping? Condescending is helping? Just because you have an opinion about everything doesn't mean you have to open your mouth every time. Catch your breath and have another beer. I'm sure you really enjoy hiding behind your computer taking pot shots at people. You can dish it all day but taste your own swill and you realize it sucks. If this is the worst thing anyone has ever said to you need to get out more, your as sensitive as a 15 year old girl with the low self esteem too.
Trog is condescending?!?! You have GOT to be kidding me. The only condescending person I've seen on this thread is you.
And just so we are clear on what that means...con·de·scend·ing [kon-duh-sen-ding] adjective showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority.
You have been the ONLY one doing that.
Trog is one of the most supportive people, I see him giving advice and help where he can. She was asking for people who take pills. Last I saw this was a free board and people whether they take them or not can post what they want, be it their experience, them just saying no (which he wasn't the only one doing this, just the only one you seem to have thing for) because he posted a gif saying no. Nor does he say he's an expert or does he get mad at anyone who doesn't do it his way. He's the first one to always say find what works for you.
Typically pills don't work. They also do raise health issues. I have had friends on this, their doctor required them to come in every 3 months, not just for BP issues, but to check their liver enzymes.
And as for your remark that he doesn't know how to keep it off long term, where are you getting that from? He made a LIFESTYLE change and has been keeping it off. I know it's mind blowing that he can eat/drink what he wants, including beer and actually lose weight. Shocking I know. Sorry if that approach doesn't work for you, no need to take it out on other people in the forums.
The thing that DOESN'T work long term for people are pills. Because doctors typically won't continue to prescribe this for the rest of your life.
ETA: Personally, I'd listen to someone who has lost 153 lbs and has almost 3000 posts on the board where he's HELPING people over you.0 -
Wow. The people on this website simply amaze me. I usually keep to myself and never post but this thread just annoys me. The OP said "Would love to have some friends that are also taking the Phentermine." I didnt see anything in her post about asking for anyone's opinion no matter how "helpful" you think you were.
I started taking Phentermine on Feb 4th and so far its been perfect. No terrible effects at all. I've been able to gain control of my previous out of control behaviors. I expect to take it for about 2 more months and then come off of it. By that time, I'll have picked up some better eating and exercise habits. And no, I don't care about your experiences and no it's not your business if I "gain it all back".
mlittle71...Not trying to be rude or anything, just stating that the pill isn't teaching you better eating and exercise habits, YOU are teaching yourself those things.
ETA: Yes, I've tried it before, years ago. I might have lost, but it all came back because a pill isn't a lifestyle change. It's a placebo. I also felt like my heart was going to explode.0 -
Wow. The people on this website simply amaze me. I usually keep to myself and never post but this thread just annoys me. The OP said "Would love to have some friends that are also taking the Phentermine." I didnt see anything in her post about asking for anyone's opinion no matter how "helpful" you think you were.
I started taking Phentermine on Feb 4th and so far its been perfect. No terrible effects at all. I've been able to gain control of my previous out of control behaviors. I expect to take it for about 2 more months and then come off of it. By that time, I'll have picked up some better eating and exercise habits. And no, I don't care about your experiences and no it's not your business if I "gain it all back".
mlittle71. Wow. Your callousness and general disregard for others is dually noted. I'm glad the pills didn't harm you. I really am. I wish that was the case for every other person out there who has taken a believed-to-be-safe stimulant diet pill. Because, clearly no one else has ever been harmed/killed by taking diet pills before.
Based on my loss (sorry, "experience"), which everyone is completely free to disregard, I feel morally obligated to offer a word of caution to those people who are considering taking amphetamine pills for weight loss who may not be fully aware of the potential risks involved.0 -
Um, I'll come at this from another angle:
What thyroid problem do you have that you'd be able to off your meds? Thyroid problems are for life. They get "fixed" when they're being treated with medication. And being heavy doesn't cause a thyroid problem, so losing weight wouldn't require you to go off of meds, just be able to reduce the medication dosage you can take (since there'd be less of you to dose).
^^^ This, you can help it with diet, pills, and trying live as healthy as you can but you'll never be "cured" because thyroid issues are due to an improperly working thyroid. You can fix your levels but that doesn't mean you can get off your meds or not have to worry about it anymore. The best thing to do is to find the right dose for you and to try and stick to it the old fashioned way. I am newly diagnosed but I still lost about 40 pounds before being diagnosed, working hard the old fashioned way. Mind you had to work harder due to this issue but still worked hard. Just keep working and accept the fact that there will be downfalls. I've had mine, I've been watching my weight fluctuate up and down these past few months since starting medication and it's a pain. But I'm still here, that's an important step. Just keep trying. If you have to start over then start over, it's okay. It's hard and stressful. Also, find others on here with thyroid issues that comiserate in the sucktasticalness of this diagnosis and to provide adivce from their experiences. This is my opinion.
for the record, I do not take phentermine and avoid taking pills at all, except for those which are required for medical reasons (synthroid and BC)0 -
Dear Dr. Trogalicious,
Shaking your head at people is helping? Condescending is helping? Just because you have an opinion about everything doesn't mean you have to open your mouth every time. Catch your breath and have another beer. I'm sure you really enjoy hiding behind your computer taking pot shots at people. You can dish it all day but taste your own swill and you realize it sucks. If this is the worst thing anyone has ever said to you need to get out more, your as sensitive as a 15 year old girl with the low self esteem too.
Trog is condescending?!?! You have GOT to be kidding me. The only condescending person I've seen on this thread is you.
And just so we are clear on what that means...con·de·scend·ing [kon-duh-sen-ding] adjective showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority.
You have been the ONLY one doing that.
Trog is one of the most supportive people, I see him giving advice and help where he can. She was asking for people who take pills. Last I saw this was a free board and people whether they take them or not can post what they want, be it their experience, them just saying no (which he wasn't the only one doing this, just the only one you seem to have thing for) because he posted a gif saying no. Nor does he say he's an expert or does he get mad at anyone who doesn't do it his way. He's the first one to always say find what works for you.
Typically pills don't work. They also do raise health issues. I have had friends on this, their doctor required them to come in every 3 months, not just for BP issues, but to check their liver enzymes.
And as for your remark that he doesn't know how to keep it off long term, where are you getting that from? He made a LIFESTYLE change and has been keeping it off. I know it's mind blowing that he can eat/drink what he wants, including beer and actually lose weight. Shocking I know. Sorry if that approach doesn't work for you, no need to take it out on other people in the forums.
The thing that DOESN'T work long term for people are pills. Because doctors typically won't continue to prescribe this for the rest of your life.
ETA: Personally, I'd listen to someone who has lost 153 lbs and has almost 3000 posts on the board where he's HELPING people over you.
^^^ I second this. Trog is super helpful and has accomplished what I hope to do. Lose it and maintain that loss and live an awesome and fun-filled life. He can have a bit of snark and sarcasm, admittedly but that is only because he's been here long enough and heard it 100 times. He has great advice if only people listen.0 -
Courtkizer - not to make this thread go sideways, but I was on the keto group yesterday and was flabbergasted to read there was calorie counting involved. I didn't think that was needed on paleo or low carb diets. You can reply to me directly if you like.
Thanks.
The only thing that works is a calorie deficit. That's why calorie counting is effective and these fad diets often are not.0 -
This is just the first page....Not only did my heart start palpatating with prolonged use, it started to become less effective. When I stopped using it, my appetite returned to normal and I unfortunately gained all of my weight back.Not to make you panic but I took it and I ended up in hospital with a panic attack =-(I'm a pharmacist, and I think this drug is dangerous and addictive. I don't like dispensing it. There is inherent risk in prescribing an amphetamine like drug to an obese person, because they are already at a higher risk for cardiovascular events...the drug only makes the risk higher. The drug has addictive potential and can cause behavioral issues, mood changes, and even psychosis. In clinical trials, it did not cause that much more weight loss versus diet and exercise alone...especially when you consider the cost of the medication (usually not covered by insurance) and the additional risk you could be putting upon your body. In addition, these meds can only be used short term, so any benefit you get from it will likely go away, once you have to discontinue it.I tried Phentermine twice, as in two pills, and the side effects sucked so badly for me that I tossed the rest of the bottle. So there's no way to say exactly what will happen with you without actually trying it. Good luck.I have tried it. You have to be smart when using it. It made me have no appetite with bad headaches and I didn't eat and I got sick...just be smart.I took Phentermine a few years ago for about 5 months... I dropped about 30 lbs
Then I noticed it made me extremely edgy and touchy, and overall just more easily agitated all the time. My heart felt like it would explode out of my chest at times, horrible horrible stomach aches if you don't eat enough. Make sure you eat!
So that December, I got off of the pill. Gained all of weight back instantly plus some. When I say instantly, I mean within 2 months, it was back. I didn't have the energy to workout obviously, because my body wanted that pill.
Bottom line: It will work, you will lose weight, but the side effects are extremely horrible, not to mention the withdrawals and weight gain you'll experience once you give it up.0 -
This is just the first page....Not only did my heart start palpatating with prolonged use, it started to become less effective. When I stopped using it, my appetite returned to normal and I unfortunately gained all of my weight back.Not to make you panic but I took it and I ended up in hospital with a panic attack =-(I'm a pharmacist, and I think this drug is dangerous and addictive. I don't like dispensing it. There is inherent risk in prescribing an amphetamine like drug to an obese person, because they are already at a higher risk for cardiovascular events...the drug only makes the risk higher. The drug has addictive potential and can cause behavioral issues, mood changes, and even psychosis. In clinical trials, it did not cause that much more weight loss versus diet and exercise alone...especially when you consider the cost of the medication (usually not covered by insurance) and the additional risk you could be putting upon your body. In addition, these meds can only be used short term, so any benefit you get from it will likely go away, once you have to discontinue it.I tried Phentermine twice, as in two pills, and the side effects sucked so badly for me that I tossed the rest of the bottle. So there's no way to say exactly what will happen with you without actually trying it. Good luck.I have tried it. You have to be smart when using it. It made me have no appetite with bad headaches and I didn't eat and I got sick...just be smart.I took Phentermine a few years ago for about 5 months... I dropped about 30 lbs
Then I noticed it made me extremely edgy and touchy, and overall just more easily agitated all the time. My heart felt like it would explode out of my chest at times, horrible horrible stomach aches if you don't eat enough. Make sure you eat!
So that December, I got off of the pill. Gained all of weight back instantly plus some. When I say instantly, I mean within 2 months, it was back. I didn't have the energy to workout obviously, because my body wanted that pill.
Bottom line: It will work, you will lose weight, but the side effects are extremely horrible, not to mention the withdrawals and weight gain you'll experience once you give it up.
kind sir, please keep your logic to another forum community.
there is no room for that here.
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My mom suddenly died at 59 from a brain aneurysm (i.e., massive hemorrhagic stroke) immediately after starting a stimulant diet pill regimen. It wasn't phentermine, it was PPA/ephedra-based - but both are pharmacologically similar to amphetamine. Our family sued the manufacturer and the drug is no longer on the market, but that doesn't bring my mother back. Seriously, it's just not worth it. I would like to ask you to please exhaust all your other options before resorting to a stimulant diet drug. At least consider safer options first. For you and your family. Please. Much love & support in your weight loss journey.
I really wish people would pay attention to posts like this. Look at the risks, OP. Please.0 -
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I'm a pharmacist, and I think this drug is dangerous and addictive. I don't like dispensing it. There is inherent risk in prescribing an amphetamine like drug to an obese person, because they are already at a higher risk for cardiovascular events...the drug only makes the risk higher. The drug has addictive potential and can cause behavioral issues, mood changes, and even psychosis. In clinical trials, it did not cause that much more weight loss versus diet and exercise alone...especially when you consider the cost of the medication (usually not covered by insurance) and the additional risk you could be putting upon your body. In addition, these meds can only be used short term, so any benefit you get from it will likely go away, once you have to discontinue it.
I'm also a pharmacist, and I agree with all of this.
I've also lost 50 pounds before, gained it back while I was pregnant, and am now losing it again.
The second time has been much easier, because I already know I can do it with just diet and exercise. Please give yourself the pleasure of knowing that it was you and only you that lost the weight .
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Dear Dr. Trogalicious,
Shaking your head at people is helping? Condescending is helping? Just because you have an opinion about everything doesn't mean you have to open your mouth every time. Catch your breath and have another beer. I'm sure you really enjoy hiding behind your computer taking pot shots at people. You can dish it all day but taste your own swill and you realize it sucks. If this is the worst thing anyone has ever said to you need to get out more, your as sensitive as a 15 year old girl with the low self esteem too.
I will be ever understand the mentality that if when some people think others are being mean on the internet so they reply back by being mean... Is this a pot, kettle type situation?
You tell him to stop taking shots at people and then proceed to take shots... Sure that makes tons of sense. :huh: Trog has helped a lot around the forums. Show some respect.0 -
Um, I'll come at this from another angle:
What thyroid problem do you have that you'd be able to off your meds? Thyroid problems are for life. They get "fixed" when they're being treated with medication. And being heavy doesn't cause a thyroid problem, so losing weight wouldn't require you to go off of meds, just be able to reduce the medication dosage you can take (since there'd be less of you to dose).
I disagree with this. I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and since losing weight, I've been able to cut out my medication. I don't take anything for my thyroid now at all, where before I've taken Armour, and levothyroxine to maintain levels. If I feel off, I get a blood draw, and will evaluate with my doctor how to proceed. But for now, nothing.0 -
I asked for an appetite suppressant from my doctor some time back because I have a voracious appetite. I also have more than 120 lbs. to lose, not 15, not 25, not 40 lbs. like many of those who are naysaying you right now.
Not naysaying because it won't make someone lose weight. Naysaying because there aren't any magic pills... especially some that have cause some serious health side effects.
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I'm a pharmacist, and I think this drug is dangerous and addictive. I don't like dispensing it. There is inherent risk in prescribing an amphetamine like drug to an obese person, because they are already at a higher risk for cardiovascular events...the drug only makes the risk higher. The drug has addictive potential and can cause behavioral issues, mood changes, and even psychosis. In clinical trials, it did not cause that much more weight loss versus diet and exercise alone...especially when you consider the cost of the medication (usually not covered by insurance) and the additional risk you could be putting upon your body. In addition, these meds can only be used short term, so any benefit you get from it will likely go away, once you have to discontinue it.
I could not have said it better myself.
This whole thing is not easy. It took years to get become fat and out of shape, it will take years to turn the boat around. While phentermine may do well to kick start your weight loss, in my humble opinion, the risks well outweigh the pros. Don't wait to lose weight to exercise: start right now. If all you can do is walk the length of the driveway, then do that. And each day, do two more steps. And patience, patience, patience. It has taken a year to lose 10 small pounds...but damn do I feel better, look better, my clothes fit better, and my body fat % is down significantly. There are more measurements than just the scale. Use tham all. Good luck.0 -
Don't take it!!!! I took it years ago and was successful, but I gained the weight back and ended up in the hospital. Small diet changes, lots of water and some activity will decrease your weight. Diet pills are not the way to go...unsafe and very dangerous!!!0
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Well said and totally agree!!!!0
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Um, I'll come at this from another angle:
What thyroid problem do you have that you'd be able to off your meds? Thyroid problems are for life. They get "fixed" when they're being treated with medication. And being heavy doesn't cause a thyroid problem, so losing weight wouldn't require you to go off of meds, just be able to reduce the medication dosage you can take (since there'd be less of you to dose).
I disagree with this. I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and since losing weight, I've been able to cut out my medication. I don't take anything for my thyroid now at all, where before I've taken Armour, and levothyroxine to maintain levels. If I feel off, I get a blood draw, and will evaluate with my doctor how to proceed. But for now, nothing.
And if you feel off, you'd have to go back on it. You're fine now, but unless you become a miracle patient, your condition doesn't go away. I'm curious how long you've been without medication. As thyroid is notoriously slow-going in seeing changes from doses, levels, etc., I could see you going even as long as a year or so before needing medication, once again. If not, I can only wish you the most positive thoughts in hoping you're not tanking your adrenals in the process.
Unless, of course, you have very mild instances of anything, where it's not enough to tax the rest of your endocrine system and not enough signs to make you want to take medication... however, of course, that doesn't mean you don't *need* meds, you'd just be choosing to function without them. And that most likely also wouldn't be forever.0 -
I used it also, lost around 30lbs in about 3.5 months. My emotions were crazy during use! Also gained it all back, BUT with the help of MFP I am down 15lbs! Good luck!0
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HA! Awesome. (to the guy shaking his head)0
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I may have a unique perspective on this situation, or maybe not, since there are several people that have also taken this. I took this drug in the Phen-Fen combo when I was around 19....I don't really remember much from the 3-6 months I took it - it was like I was on speed or something. I took HALF the recommended dosage, after the first week, because of what it did to me. (made me feel like I could run 50 miles without stopping, and not hungry at all, but also not really sleeping, and acting erratic). I lost 30 pounds in one month...and although we all want the weight GONE...this is NOT the way to do it.
I was prescribed this med because I also have an issue with feeling hungry ALL the time. It was literally the ONLY time in my life I didn't feel hungry, so I UNDERSTAND where you are coming from (the part about using it as a tool), HOWEVER, now that I'm not taking it, I still feel that. It didn't remove that feeling forever...so eventually, you have to learn to "fight" that feeling or deal with it on your own.
Trog is on my FL. I LOVE his advice. He's someone that is a huge inspiration and success story on here. If I have a question, I can ask him, and know I'll get an honest answer. I also like his snark. He makes me laugh, and I think he's just a cool beardy guy. Who wouldn't want to be friends with a cool, successful, beer drinking, snarky, beardy dude?!
***I was also scheduled to have an echocardiogram, and I am in perfect health, but I know others that took this combination of meds are NOT in perfect health, and there IS NO CURE for the damage it does to your heart.***0 -
I asked for an appetite suppressant from my doctor some time back because I have a voracious appetite. I also have more than 120 lbs. to lose, not 15, not 25, not 40 lbs. like many of those who are naysaying you right now.
yeah, i didnt have 15, 20, 25 or 40 pounds to lose either, i too had over 100 pounds to lose, and didnt need a dangerous drug to do so. those of us who are "naysaying" the op, are doing so out of care and concern.0 -
I asked for an appetite suppressant from my doctor some time back because I have a voracious appetite. I also have more than 120 lbs. to lose, not 15, not 25, not 40 lbs. like many of those who are naysaying you right now.
yeah, i didnt have 15, 20, 25 or 40 pounds to lose either, i too had over 100 pounds to lose, and didnt need a dangerous drug to do so. those of us who are "naysaying" the op, are doing so out of care and concern.
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I took Phentermine in 2008, and I lost about 70 lbs while taking it. It definitely suppressed my appetite, and it kept me from the mindless snacking and "eating my feelings" that I had done most of my life. I used to see it as the "magic pill" that helped me to lose weight. Awesome, right? Who wouldn't want to take these pills?!
Well, as others have said, it is not a lifestyle change, and the weight loss is most likely to be temporary. I had to increase my dosage to two 37.5 pills a day because my original dosage became ineffective, and this led to sleep issues. I also had horrible headaches and dry mouth from the medication, as well as dramatically increased irritability. As soon as I stopped taking the medication, it was like I hadn't eaten in weeks--I was starving all the time! This is not a medication that you can take all of your life, and you're fooling yourself if you think that you can use it just to lose weight, then will maintain that weight loss on your own without the pills. The habits and reasons that you gained weight will still be lurking under the surface, and Phentermine just gives you a way to avoid dealing with them in the short-term.
Long story made short, I have since gained all of the weight back plus more, which is why I'm here. I just started on a new weight loss journey (see ticker below), and this time I'm determined to do it the hard way--the way that will be a lifestyle change and permanent. Don't waste your time or health on Phentermine.0 -
I think it's totally counter productive to use a pill (dangerous amphetamines at that) to begin your journey to health. You need to show yourself you CAN do this and without any magic pills. You need to learn how to do this THE RIGHT WAY, or you will very likely fail. I'm sorry if that is harsh, but it is truly how I feel.
This!! Being active, watching portions, and eating healthy is the ONLY way to do this! It's my opinion that you need to change your lifestyle to achieve your goal!!
Good Luck~0 -
Hey girl its your friend from MFP. I have not heard of this pill so I really don't have a comment about it. I tried a pill from GNC before not sure about the name and it helped when I first started it but then lost it effect. I just want to say be careful my friend. I have been taken of al my blood pressure meds since I lost weight and I want to say it took about a year and then the doctor took me off. What I will say is that some pills will increase your heart rate so PLEASE BE CAREFUL. :flowerforyou:0
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I took Phentermine in 2008, and I lost about 70 lbs while taking it. It definitely suppressed my appetite, and it kept me from the mindless snacking and "eating my feelings" that I had done most of my life. I used to see it as the "magic pill" that helped me to lose weight. Awesome, right? Who wouldn't want to take these pills?!
Well, as others have said, it is not a lifestyle change, and the weight loss is most likely to be temporary. I had to increase my dosage to two 37.5 pills a day because my original dosage became ineffective, and this led to sleep issues. I also had horrible headaches and dry mouth from the medication, as well as dramatically increased irritability. As soon as I stopped taking the medication, it was like I hadn't eaten in weeks--I was starving all the time! This is not a medication that you can take all of your life, and you're fooling yourself if you think that you can use it just to lose weight, then will maintain that weight loss on your own without the pills. The habits and reasons that you gained weight will still be lurking under the surface, and Phentermine just gives you a way to avoid dealing with them in the short-term.
Long story made short, I have since gained all of the weight back plus more, which is why I'm here. I just started on a new weight loss journey (see ticker below), and this time I'm determined to do it the hard way--the way that will be a lifestyle change and permanent. Don't waste your time or health on Phentermine.
Thanks for sharing your story, Clandahlina. I wish you much success!!!0 -
I have taken it in the past. I only took it for 2 months and it decreased my appetite, which was great! It gave me severe dry mouth, which helped me get my water quota in. It never affected my heart rate, and I slept just fine. The reason I quit taking it, was because when I started the drug, I also started my diet. So 2 months into it, I was already eating like I should be and didn't need the help. It did not cause a dramatic weight loss, only 1-2 pounds per week. I was happy to have tried it, but am confident with myself that I won't need it again. Good luck to you and your journey!!
WOW....This is exactly what I am doing - changing eating habits...and I have not had side effects except for dry mouth. Will take for 3 months only - had my 2 week Dr. appointment yesterday - and blood pressure is lower, no rapid heart rate either.....works for me - may not for others.....no grumpiness either - actually happier...and I am already a very chipper person.
Feel free to add me as a friend if you like!0 -
Hello ~
I have read each and every post and do realize that many are against taking Phentermine - that's ok - it is your opinion and I appreciate and understand your concerns. I see posts where the pill had extreme side effects.....the KEY is.....I trust my doctor - she knows my history well...I just had my 2 week follow up yesterday and Blood pressure was 132 over 74.....I feel great - no racing heart or spacey high feeling. We also discussed I am only taking for 3 months as I change my lifestyle and eating habits and get used to that. I am eating smart - not under eating and staying at 1200 calories to 1500 calories - balanced meals. I do not drink pop/soda - quit that in Sept.....I am a smart and educated woman that with her Doctor feels this is the best choice for me in my life right now - they way I was headed....I wouldn't have made it too many years longer.
Thanks heavens I am a strong person though - some post may have easily sent me running far...far...away....I turn it around as others care and express concern. Please.....those of you against taking the meds....do not let that change your opnion of others that are and treat us different. We are all here at MFP for a reason - I do not judge others - and am here to celebrate success in the weight loss journey. For me it will be a life journey.
Cherie' in Walla Walla, WA0 -
I'm a nurse and we have a weight management program at the office I work at. We prescribe Phentermine. The biggest thing to watch is your BP. If it's already high it might not be a good idea to take it because it can increase BP. But if you're taking it under close direction of your doctor then it should be okay. We have our patients come for monthly weigh ins and blood pressure monitoring. It does work so I think if you want to lose the weight quickly it will help. But I've seen a lot of patients gain the weight right back after stopping it because they didn't change their eating habits and life style. Good luck!0
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