We don't know what constitutes a true paleo diet!
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What amuses me is the "health benefits" of a paleo diet.
http://www.paleodietevolved.com/benefits-of-the-paleo-diet.html#.Uw0oP87-nt8
This has to be my favourite...The paleo diet recognizes that the human body digests fructose differently than other carbs. It's this reason that the paleo diet suggests limiting and strategically choosing the perfect fruit for the job!
Skip the banana and eat a kiwi instead!
Unless you know what you're doing, limit yourself to 2-3 pieces of fruit per day... Max.
My 2 cents on fructose, is that some of that stuff is accurate to people who have sensitive digestive systems BUT IT IS ALL BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL.
My wife is on the FODMAP diet, due to her IBD, which foods with higher fructose to glucose are avoided. This diet is to try and help people with IBS/IBD symptoms and is recommended by some dieticians and internal medicine doctors (such as my wife's doctor').
http://fodmap.com/what-are-fodmaps/
http://fodmap.com/info-for-professionals/0 -
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
Well, I've posted several sources that gather such studies, and so far they've just been scoffed at or complained about, without any discussion or criticism of the underlying scientific studies.
You yourself just scoffed at the blog, even though there is a wealth of credible information cited on it. So, yeah, that looks pretty disingenuous to me.0 -
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
If actual credible source is posted that I can read and not have to go buy a text book then I will read it.
If you don't want to read the books, fair enough. Go to the blog then -- 100% free. And I think he even hyperlinks many of the studies. Though you'll have to actually do some of the clicking yourself. I can only spoonfeed you so much.0 -
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
If actual credible source is posted that I can read and not have to go buy a text book then I will read it.
If you don't want to read the books, fair enough. Go to the blog then -- 100% free. And I think he even hyperlinks many of the studies. Though you'll have to actually do some of the clicking yourself. I can only spoonfeed you so much.
oh come on, I can only do so much at work. Its bad enough i am in here but making me multitask even more is nonsense.0 -
My 2 cents on fructose, is that some of that stuff is accurate to people who have sensitive digestive systems BUT IT IS ALL BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL.
This is true. But dietary advice should be non-partisan unless it is prefaced with a medical condition that would best be eased by following a particular diet. There are some people who, for a reason unknown to me, like to have everyone doing what they're doing.
My particular opinion is to start with the broadest strokes and work your way up to the details... basically, advise someone to eat as much and as great a variance of food as they can and exclude things only when they're necessary to exclude. Unproven pseudo-science aside, there's no scientifically-proven health benefit to being paleo if you experience no dietary distress from the food it doesn't allow.0 -
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
If actual credible source is posted that I can read and not have to go buy a text book then I will read it.
If you don't want to read the books, fair enough. Go to the blog then -- 100% free. And I think he even hyperlinks many of the studies. Though you'll have to actually do some of the clicking yourself. I can only spoonfeed you so much.
Ok, I would not take that blog too serious. He does make some points that are backed up by studies and some points he makes by references.....LA TIMES?!?!?!? Really? He also references his other blogs.
Blogs are a persons opinion and interpretation but some of the stuff is opinion based on someone elses non medical/scientific/slanted opinion. But I will give him some credit for SOME of his research.
Here is a bashing of paleo in a sense
http://perfectformuladiet.com/plant-based-nutrition/the-paleo-diet-dangers-and-distortions/
Here is a anti-paleo blog
http://ezinearticles.com/?Eating-Paleo-Food?-See-Here-What-Can-Be-Dangerous&id=74754340 -
My 2 cents on fructose, is that some of that stuff is accurate to people who have sensitive digestive systems BUT IT IS ALL BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL.
This is true. But dietary advice should be non-partisan unless it is prefaced with a medical condition that would best be eased by following a particular diet. There are some people who, for a reason unknown to me, like to have everyone doing what they're doing.
My particular opinion is to start with the broadest strokes and work your way up to the details... basically, advise someone to eat as much and as great a variance of food as they can and exclude things only when they're necessary to exclude. Unproven pseudo-science aside, there's no scientifically-proven health benefit to being paleo if you experience no dietary distress from the food it doesn't allow.
We started with FODMAPS are removed 1 food at a time and then waited to see if there were improvements or not. We were shocked to see foods like Apples were a huge culprit to increased pain to her. She has kept a food journal and kept track of all foods that have been singled out as affecting her IBD.
Like I said when it comes to this stuff of needed to eliminate stuff from you diet it on a case by case thing. Almost any person who has gone awhile with out red meat and then has a steak will not have a happy gut. that does not mean it is bad for you. It is just that your body is not use to it.
Paleo diet, IMO in its purest sense is unobtainable. Nobody is going to be able to find food at the store that has not had some sort of influence from mankind. I would love to see these Paleo people go out and hunt and gather their own foods.0 -
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
Well, I've posted several sources that gather such studies, and so far they've just been scoffed at or complained about, without any discussion or criticism of the underlying scientific studies.
You yourself just scoffed at the blog, even though there is a wealth of credible information cited on it. So, yeah, that looks pretty disingenuous to me.
last time I checked 'marks daily apple' is not a site devoted to peer reviewed studies…are you trying to tell me it is a credible as say, the new England journal of medicine?0 -
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?
:laugh:
What a charlatan...
(Sisson, I mean)0 -
I would love to see these Paleo people go out and hunt and gather their own foods.
That would require actual effort.
Much easier to sit on your butt and post nonsense in a chat board.0 -
do you think there's a difference between whole grain minimally processed wheat products and refined, heavily processed, enriched white bread?
For my husband there is. He can digest refined flour, but he is sensitive to whole wheat.0 -
My 2 cents on fructose, is that some of that stuff is accurate to people who have sensitive digestive systems BUT IT IS ALL BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL.
This is true. But dietary advice should be non-partisan unless it is prefaced with a medical condition that would best be eased by following a particular diet. There are some people who, for a reason unknown to me, like to have everyone doing what they're doing.
My particular opinion is to start with the broadest strokes and work your way up to the details... basically, advise someone to eat as much and as great a variance of food as they can and exclude things only when they're necessary to exclude. Unproven pseudo-science aside, there's no scientifically-proven health benefit to being paleo if you experience no dietary distress from the food it doesn't allow.
Awesome comment! Totally agree. I tend to believe that much of the nonsense stems from the politicizing food. Once politics comes in, the facts go out the window.
I also agree that people ought to eat a variety of *every* food, unless a medical condition prevents it, or if personal preference makes them want to avoid something. Personally, I don't eat raisins. lol0 -
People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.
Nope. I accuse people who spit out theories that foods are harmful but can't back those up with science of fear mongering.
No hyperbole whatsoever.
You definitly don't want my opinion of biologists who boast their credentials then quote blog posts as scientific evidence. You wouldn't like it.
Even if those blogs and books do a decent job of gathering and citing the underlying, supporting scientific studies? No, that wouldn't make sense at all. How terribly logical and convenient.
So far, you've given me very little reason to value your opinion, so I don't really care what it is either way. And, my degrees will still be there despite your opinion of it.
It's too bad you don't value my opinion in that regard. You'd seem much more credible if you took my advice.
But hey, you have your degrees, so there's that, right?0 -
I would love to see these Paleo people go out and hunt and gather their own foods.
That would require actual effort.
Much easier to sit on your butt and post nonsense in a chat board.
I made pizza. Does that count?
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People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.
Nope. I accuse people who spit out theories that foods are harmful but can't back those up with science of fear mongering.
No hyperbole whatsoever.
You definitly don't want my opinion of biologists who boast their credentials then quote blog posts as scientific evidence. You wouldn't like it.
Even if those blogs and books do a decent job of gathering and citing the underlying, supporting scientific studies? No, that wouldn't make sense at all. How terribly logical and convenient.
So far, you've given me very little reason to value your opinion, so I don't really care what it is either way. And, my degrees will still be there despite your opinion of it.
It's too bad you don't value my opinion in that regard. You'd seem much more credible if you took my advice.
But hey, you have your degrees, so there's that, right?
Credibility by people who have shown no ability to intelligently discuss the processes at hand don't mean much. Some folks here, on both sides of the equation, have been actually able to discuss and debate the underlying science. People like you have not added to that discussion.
And, yeah, I'll take my degrees from top 10 institutions any day over the week over opinions like yours. Easy choice.0 -
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
If actual credible source is posted that I can read and not have to go buy a text book then I will read it.
If you don't want to read the books, fair enough. Go to the blog then -- 100% free. And I think he even hyperlinks many of the studies. Though you'll have to actually do some of the clicking yourself. I can only spoonfeed you so much.
Ok, I would not take that blog too serious. He does make some points that are backed up by studies and some points he makes by references.....LA TIMES?!?!?!? Really? He also references his other blogs.
Blogs are a persons opinion and interpretation but some of the stuff is opinion based on someone elses non medical/scientific/slanted opinion. But I will give him some credit for SOME of his research.
Here is a bashing of paleo in a sense
http://perfectformuladiet.com/plant-based-nutrition/the-paleo-diet-dangers-and-distortions/
Here is a anti-paleo blog
http://ezinearticles.com/?Eating-Paleo-Food?-See-Here-What-Can-Be-Dangerous&id=7475434
I think I love you. :flowerforyou::drinker:0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
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have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
and I will say for the third time that not once did I mention a genetically modified cow.
you made that all up on your own sweetums.0 -
do you think there's a difference between whole grain minimally processed wheat products and refined, heavily processed, enriched white bread?
For my husband there is. He can digest refined flour, but he is sensitive to whole wheat.
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Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
The people who follow it generally feel better and stick to it without problems.
The paleo thing is just an idea that spawned the diet, while I'm sure some people try to eat what cavemen ate most people don't stress about it.
It's also discouraging that people who follow the diet simply can't let the diet speak for itself. The science really isn't there. It may not ever be there. All we can do is encourage people to give it a shot and see how they feel. Like any diet, it's a personal choice.0 -
Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
The people who follow it generally feel better and stick to it without problems.
The paleo thing is just an idea that spawned the diet, while I'm sure some people try to eat what cavemen ate most people don't stress about it.
It's also discouraging that people who follow the diet simply can't let the diet speak for itself. The science really isn't there. It may not ever be there. All we can do is encourage people to give it a shot and see how they feel. Like any diet, it's a personal choice.
because IIFYM. they don't allow people to eat differently then them, or haven't you heard?0 -
I would love to see these Paleo people go out and hunt and gather their own foods.
That would require actual effort.
Much easier to sit on your butt and post nonsense in a chat board.
I made pizza. Does that count?
Pizza always counts.
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People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.
Nope. I accuse people who spit out theories that foods are harmful but can't back those up with science of fear mongering.
No hyperbole whatsoever.
You definitly don't want my opinion of biologists who boast their credentials then quote blog posts as scientific evidence. You wouldn't like it.
Even if those blogs and books do a decent job of gathering and citing the underlying, supporting scientific studies? No, that wouldn't make sense at all. How terribly logical and convenient.
So far, you've given me very little reason to value your opinion, so I don't really care what it is either way. And, my degrees will still be there despite your opinion of it.
It's too bad you don't value my opinion in that regard. You'd seem much more credible if you took my advice.
But hey, you have your degrees, so there's that, right?
Credibility by people who have shown no ability to intelligently discuss the processes at hand don't mean much. Some folks here, on both sides of the equation, have been actually able to discuss and debate the underlying science. People like you have not added to that discussion.
And, yeah, I'll take my degrees from top 10 institutions any day over the week over opinions like yours. Easy choice.
LOLZ …posting your supposed credentials when there is no way to verify them just makes you look petty …did those top ten institutions teach you to use makes daily apple for your research?
I am still waiting for the studies that you mentioned...0 -
Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
Because there's always a crowd who starts claiming it provides magical health benefits.
Personally I don't care what anybody eats. Eating paleo, however one chooses to define it, is as fine as eating anything else. The problem arises when the dietary born-agains insist it is the *best* way to eat. Followed closely by the related group of born-agains who insist it's the way we're "supposed" to eat.0 -
Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
The people who follow it generally feel better and stick to it without problems.
The paleo thing is just an idea that spawned the diet, while I'm sure some people try to eat what cavemen ate most people don't stress about it.
It's also discouraging that people who follow the diet simply can't let the diet speak for itself. The science really isn't there. It may not ever be there. All we can do is encourage people to give it a shot and see how they feel. Like any diet, it's a personal choice.
Sure, it's a personal choice. But nobody here is going to sit and let others talk about it like it's the end-all be-all diet for weight loss. Other than that, my personal belief about it is that the whole "I feel better" attitude towards restrictive diet is that it is more often than not correlative, and not causative. In other words, people generally feel better when they restrict calories (and lose weight), whether they do that intentionally or not.0 -
Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
Because there's always a crowd who starts claiming it provides magical health benefits.
Personally I don't care what anybody eats. Eating paleo is as fine as eating anything else. The problem arises when the dietary born-agains insist it is the *best* way to eat. Followed closely by the related group of born-agains who insist it's the way we're "supposed" to eat.
who in this thread has done that?0 -
Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
The people who follow it generally feel better and stick to it without problems.
The paleo thing is just an idea that spawned the diet, while I'm sure some people try to eat what cavemen ate most people don't stress about it.
It's also discouraging that people who follow the diet simply can't let the diet speak for itself. The science really isn't there. It may not ever be there. All we can do is encourage people to give it a shot and see how they feel. Like any diet, it's a personal choice.
Sure, it's a personal choice. But nobody here is going to sit and let others talk about it like it's the end-all be-all diet for weight loss. Other than that, my personal belief about it is that the whole "I feel better" attitude towards restrictive diet is that it is more often than not correlative, and not causative. In other words, people generally feel better when they restrict calories, whether they do that intentionally or not.
who in this thread said that? i'm not paleo...0 -
Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
Because there's always a crowd who starts claiming it provides magical health benefits.
Personally I don't care what anybody eats. Eating paleo is as fine as eating anything else. The problem arises when the dietary born-agains insist it is the *best* way to eat. Followed closely by the related group of born-agains who insist it's the way we're "supposed" to eat.
who in this thread has done that?
lindsey, for starters.0 -
Wow this thread is still going on...My feelings are don't voice an opinion about the diet until you've actually tried it. Then if you haven't noticed any improvements in how you feel, or you feel worse or whatever then feel free to bash it all you want. Studies are helpful, but if I feel like crap eating a particular way I don't care what the supposed science says, it doesn't work for me. Experience is the best teacher0
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Not sure why there's always such a crazy debate over the paleo/primal diet.
The people who follow it generally feel better and stick to it without problems.
The paleo thing is just an idea that spawned the diet, while I'm sure some people try to eat what cavemen ate most people don't stress about it.
It's also discouraging that people who follow the diet simply can't let the diet speak for itself. The science really isn't there. It may not ever be there. All we can do is encourage people to give it a shot and see how they feel. Like any diet, it's a personal choice.
I could care less what people eat/do...
but when people come in and start saying things like..'I ate in a deficit before, and did not lose, but I switched to paleo and now I am losing; therefore, it is not about calories in vs calories out for me…" Well no, it is about calories in vs calories out you were just not in a deficit before and now you are ….
I also think that people do not like it because a lot of people that say they eat paleo, are really not eating like our paleo brethren…this was pointed out repeatedly in part 1…..0 -
People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.
Nope. I accuse people who spit out theories that foods are harmful but can't back those up with science of fear mongering.
No hyperbole whatsoever.
You definitly don't want my opinion of biologists who boast their credentials then quote blog posts as scientific evidence. You wouldn't like it.
Even if those blogs and books do a decent job of gathering and citing the underlying, supporting scientific studies? No, that wouldn't make sense at all. How terribly logical and convenient.
So far, you've given me very little reason to value your opinion, so I don't really care what it is either way. And, my degrees will still be there despite your opinion of it.
It's too bad you don't value my opinion in that regard. You'd seem much more credible if you took my advice.
But hey, you have your degrees, so there's that, right?
Credibility by people who have shown no ability to intelligently discuss the processes at hand don't mean much. Some folks here, on both sides of the equation, have been actually able to discuss and debate the underlying science. People like you have not added to that discussion.
And, yeah, I'll take my degrees from top 10 institutions any day over the week over opinions like yours. Easy choice.
LOLZ …posting your supposed credentials when there is no way to verify them just makes you look petty …did those top ten institutions teach you to use makes daily apple for your research?
I am still waiting for the studies that you mentioned...
And I told you where you can find them. You choose not to do so, that's on you.0
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