We don't know what constitutes a true paleo diet!

likitisplit

You know, phenylalanine causes brain damage in some people. Obviously, this is because our ancestors relied on a largely plant-based diet as gatherer-hunters.

So we should all consume as few high protein foods as possible (meat, eggs, legumes), while consuming as many fruits, veggies and low-protein breads and pastas as possible.

My paleo-anthropology might not be all there, but who can argue with consuming fruits and veggies?

likitisplit

Well, one thing: if soluble fiber absorbs protein and fat, and I have a cup of oatmeal and a half grapefruit in the morning, how much more bacon can I eat?

If you're Paleo/Primal, you can eat as much bacon as you'd like (though aim for the ones with no nitrates/nitrites)! Though minimal/no oatmeal. Choices, choices.

^^ And this is how "carnivores" can easily pack on the pounds! Yummy, yummy bacon that can be eaten *by the pound.*

(Or in the case of my mother, it was spare ribs, but yeah, either way, you can get fat on meat if you are under the impression that you can eat "as much as you'd like." )

Well, most carnivores have to be faster than their prey animals...or stealth hunters. But since we now have access to ample food sources without having to do the physical labor traditionally required...oh, I'm sounding like a broken record now.

jenn26point2

Just curious all you paleoers out there. How long have you been eating this way? I have a hard time believing that it's sustainable long term. Maybe because I live in the land of the mediterranian diet (Italy), which balances out carbs, proteins etc. etc., and pasta and pizza are king. Doing paleo here is almost impossible unless one is doing it for grave health reasons. However I'd like to hear how long you've been doing paleo--anyone for years?

Two years.

smelius22

I googled Paleo Diet and found the original website explaining it all. Seemed easy enough.

DamePiglet

You know, phenylalanine causes brain damage in some people. Obviously, this is because our ancestors relied on a largely plant-based diet as gatherer-hunters.

So we should all consume as few high protein foods as possible (meat, eggs, legumes), while consuming as many fruits, veggies and low-protein breads and pastas as possible.

My paleo-anthropology might not be all there, but who can argue with consuming fruits and veggies?

Awesome post is awesome!
:drinker:

tennisdude2004

You know, phenylalanine causes brain damage in some people. Obviously, this is because our ancestors relied on a largely plant-based diet as gatherer-hunters.

So we should all consume as few high protein foods as possible (meat, eggs, legumes), while consuming as many fruits, veggies and low-protein breads and pastas as possible.

My paleo-anthropology might not be all there, but who can argue with consuming fruits and veggies?

Who's arguing about eating fruit and veggies?

ascrit

You know, phenylalanine causes brain damage in some people. Obviously, this is because our ancestors relied on a largely plant-based diet as gatherer-hunters.

So we should all consume as few high protein foods as possible (meat, eggs, legumes), while consuming as many fruits, veggies and low-protein breads and pastas as possible.

My paleo-anthropology might not be all there, but who can argue with consuming fruits and veggies?

Who's arguing about eating fruit and veggies?

Dumb people

richardheath

I disagree wholeheartedly. Dairy and grains have been shown to create inflammatory and mucosal responses in some people and there is no nutritional necessity in having either in our diets. Your body becomes inflamed or creates mucous as a response to something foreign that it isn't able to handle properly entering the system. Can some people handle these things better than others? Sure. Can white people handle dairy better than blacks and asians and other races? Yep. (Because evolution) But that doesn't mean your body won't appreciate the break from having to process things it has a difficult time processing.

What does "difficult time processing" mean? And how can we get so fat off of something we can't process? That seems to be a case of wanting your sugar/gluten free cake and eating it too.

tennisdude2004

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

You realize, of course, that you are my case in point?

Have you ever gone off grains to see what the difference is? If not, then how do you know your body hasn't needed a break?

I like grains. They help me make my calories. I like legumes. They help me get my protein.

I don't experience any ill effects.

Why would I "fix" something that isn't broken?

You wouldn't which is why we have different diets for different people.

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

Anyway the point is not all diets fit all people. I personally can think of no worse a diet where I had to count every bit of food I was eating and then had to stop eating when I'd reached my target number. But for many it works just great.

And unless your stock portfolio is invested in the major multinational grain companies, why would you care if people are cutting grain from their diets.

You don't have to , there not forcing you to give up a nutrient deficient food source.

Paleo is a choice that you take. Not something that is forced upon you. It's not like it's backed by the government and is the foundation of its food paradigm (hmmm I wonder what cheap, nutritionally deficient food source is?)

likitisplit

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

I really, really think you should read Amber's blog https://gokaleo.com/about-me/what-is-kaleo-2/

I think it would be very helpful to you.

(Edited to provide a more informative link)

DamePiglet

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

You realize, of course, that you are my case in point?

Have you ever gone off grains to see what the difference is? If not, then how do you know your body hasn't needed a break?

I like grains. They help me make my calories. I like legumes. They help me get my protein.

I don't experience any ill effects.

Why would I "fix" something that isn't broken?

You wouldn't which is why we have different diets for different people.

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

Anyway the point is not all diets fit all people. I personally can think of no worse a diet where I had to count every bit of food I was eating and then had to stop eating when I'd reached my target number. But for many it works just great.

And unless your stock portfolio is invested in the major multinational grain companies, why would you care if people are cutting grain from their diets.

You don't have to , there not forcing you to give up a nutrient deficient food source.

Paleo is a choice that you take. Not something that is forced upon you. It's not like it's backed by the government and is the foundation of its food paradigm (hmmm I wounded what cheap, nutritionally deficient food source is?)

I was responding to someone else who apparently thinks I don't know what digestive discomfort is like.

FTR:
I think the name "paleo" or "primal" or whatever is stupid and laughable and the "science" behind it is "meh" at best.
I think it's foolish to "food shame" based on said "meh" science.
I don't care if you choose to eat raspberry pianokeytones, I'm going to poop on forum derp.

tennisdude2004

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

I really, really think you should read Amber's blog www.gokaleo.com

I think it would be very helpful to you.

Thanks I have read it several times.

I wasn't be sarcastic (although I normally am). I think it looks like a great diet.

It just doesn't suit me or my eating style. my point is there are some great diets out there, most get us to the same destination, they just use our preferred route.

lindsey1979

Very tenuous, all proven science started as belief or theory.

The word you are looking for here is hypothesis. You may believe your hypothesis is correct, but you won't know until you test it. Get enough experimental data together so it forms a cohesive picture, and then you have a theory.

But there's that damn semantics again!

Sure, and if we were writing a paper on it in a scientific forum, it would be appropriate. But do you think the average joe on this site (or in America at large) really needs to know the difference between hypothesis and theory?

Yes.

Really?

If you respect your reader you will show them the differences efficiently, and take a step in educating them, hopefully bringing us a bit back from the brink of idiocracy we're sliding into.

I disagree with you there. I think there is a time and place for everything, and appropriate forums for certain discourse. Just as I wouldn't lay a lot of legalese on reader's in a non-legal forum, I likewise would lay a lot of scientific specific jargon out on a non-scientific based forum. The need to "educate" others seems incredibly arrogant in this context to me.

tennisdude2004

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

You realize, of course, that you are my case in point?

Have you ever gone off grains to see what the difference is? If not, then how do you know your body hasn't needed a break?

I like grains. They help me make my calories. I like legumes. They help me get my protein.

I don't experience any ill effects.

Why would I "fix" something that isn't broken?

You wouldn't which is why we have different diets for different people.

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

Anyway the point is not all diets fit all people. I personally can think of no worse a diet where I had to count every bit of food I was eating and then had to stop eating when I'd reached my target number. But for many it works just great.

And unless your stock portfolio is invested in the major multinational grain companies, why would you care if people are cutting grain from their diets.

You don't have to , there not forcing you to give up a nutrient deficient food source.

Paleo is a choice that you take. Not something that is forced upon you. It's not like it's backed by the government and is the foundation of its food paradigm (hmmm I wounded what cheap, nutritionally deficient food source is?)

I was responding to someone else who apparently thinks I don't know what digestive discomfort is like.

FTR:
I think the name "paleo" or "primal" or whatever is stupid and laughable and the "science" behind it is "meh" at best.
I think it's foolish to "food shame" based on said "meh" science.
I don't care if you choose to eat raspberry pianokeytones, I'm going to poop on forum derp.

Lol.

DamePiglet

I disagree with you there. I think there is a time and place for everything, and appropriate forums for certain discourse. Just as I wouldn't lay a lot of legalese on reader's in a non-legal forum, I likewise would lay a lot of scientific specific jargon out on a non-scientific based forum. The need to "educate" others seems incredibly arrogant in this context to me.

The difference between "hypothesis" and "theory" is taught in elementary school here in the U.S.

lindsey1979

True "paleo" diet?

Hmm.

Well, how about the Iceman- 5,000 years old?

His stomach was stuffed with fatty goat meat. Some extra stuff too, but mainly goat meat.

he was chalcolithic, not palaeolithic. and the neolithic came before the chalcolithic

Are their actual stomach contents to be analyzed from people older than 5,000 old?

I didn't think so.

What we find in the iceman is REAL science, not speculation put together by diet "gurus."

Cro-Magnon man only goes back about 25,000 years.

The paleo diet is not based on any science, as I've been saying through this thread.

I don't do paleo dieting.

However:

Cro-Magnons (if you mean the first Homo sapiens sapiens people in Europe, it's not a scientific term, but that's who it's usually used to refer to) date back to about 40,000 years ago. Homo sapiens sapiens, our subspecies (some use the term Cro-Magnon to refer to our entire subspecies) dates back 100,000 years ago.

Homo sapiens idaltu dates back to about 160,000 years ago. They ate hippos.

As for analysis of the diets of people who lived earlier than Otzi, there is a lot of sources for this: 1. the bones found associated with palaeolithic people, e.g. animal bones with cut marks on them from stone tools. This is evidence as to which species of animals they ate. (this is how we know Homo sapiens idaltu ate hippos, and scientists have a very good idea what species of animals were eaten by which species of humans and whether they were hunted or scavenged) - only humans can make stone tools therefore stone tool marks on bones = humans ate this. 2. there is a lot of recent research looking at microscopic food particles from teeth, this, for example, has told scientists that neanderthals not only ate various different plants, but that they cooked them too. 3. analysis of the molecular structure of bones and teeth tells scientists about the diet as well, such as whether the protein they ate came from meat, fish or plants.

The above is real science and can be found in various journals of palaeoanthropology such as the Journal of Human Evolution

None of it resemble the diet of paleo gurus though. I agree with you that the paleo diet isn't based on science... .I'm trying to improve people's general knowledge of palaeoanthropology.

The paleo diet may not be based upon paleoanthropology -- I don't think anyone is disputing that the label is a pop culture reference, not to be taken seriously from a scientific perspective. But, to say that there is no science behind the paleo/Primal diet is simply incorrect. There are significant studies and various scientific principles on various aspects and components of the paleo diet which support its premise. You may not agree with the conclusions in such studies for you various reasons but to say that there is no science behind it is simply factually inaccurate.

lindsey1979

True "paleo" diet?

Hmm.

Well, how about the Iceman- 5,000 years old?

His stomach was stuffed with fatty goat meat. Some extra stuff too, but mainly goat meat.

he was chalcolithic, not palaeolithic. and the neolithic came before the chalcolithic

Are their actual stomach contents to be analyzed from people older than 5,000 old?

I didn't think so.

What we find in the iceman is REAL science, not speculation put together by diet "gurus."

Cro-Magnon man only goes back about 25,000 years.

The paleo diet is not based on any science, as I've been saying through this thread.

it may not be based on accurate evolutionary science but the nutritional science is sound.

Thank you.

likitisplit

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

I really, really think you should read Amber's blog www.gokaleo.com

I think it would be very helpful to you.

Thanks I have read it several times.

I wasn't be sarcastic (although I normally am). I think it looks like a great diet.

It just doesn't suit me or my eating style. my point is there are some great diets out there, most get us to the same destination, they just use our preferred route.

I'm sorry, I don't understand.

Here is Amber's description of Kaleo:

Kale + Paleo = Kaleo. It’s a joke, yo! A word I made up because people always seem to want to label my way of eating, to put me ‘in a box’. Kale and paleo are trendy right now, and I wanted to poke at food fads a little. I kinda liked it though, and it took on a life of it’s own. It grew into something more than a play on words, an anti-dogma if you will. I resist the philosophical dogma that there is only ONE right way to eat.

Everyone’s ‘ideal’ diet is very individual and unique to themselves. Here’s a graphic that depicts how I decide what to eat.

(venn diagram showing intersection between Foods I enjoy, Foods that support my goals, values and culture, Foods that my local food system provides abundantly and sustainably: https://gokaleo.com/about-me/what-is-kaleo-2/)

I try to get as much of my nutrition as possible from foods that fit into the ‘Food Foundation’ intersection. Of course I do eat foods that don’t fit perfectly into this template, like coffee and chocolate, but most of my food choices fall into these intersections. Using this template, everyone’s diet would be unique to their values, goals, personal tastes and local climate. There is no one right way.

My way of eating evolves as I learn, and as my body changes, so flexibility is also a component of my eating philosophy. And most important of all, a sense of perspective: we are unbelievably fortunate that we have the freedom and resources to spend time optimizing our diets. Lets be gracious to others who are just beginning their lifestyle change, and lets be aware of how our food choices impact our environment and the people and creatures we share it with.

Exactly what about that doesn't suit you? Considering how food choices impact the environment? Eating foods you enjoy?

lindsey1979

True "paleo" diet?

Hmm.

Well, how about the Iceman- 5,000 years old?

His stomach was stuffed with fatty goat meat. Some extra stuff too, but mainly goat meat.

he was chalcolithic, not palaeolithic. and the neolithic came before the chalcolithic

Are their actual stomach contents to be analyzed from people older than 5,000 old?

I didn't think so.

What we find in the iceman is REAL science, not speculation put together by diet "gurus."

Cro-Magnon man only goes back about 25,000 years.

The paleo diet is not based on any science, as I've been saying through this thread.

it may not be based on accurate evolutionary science but the nutritional science is sound.

And that would be great...except every article I've read about it makes the case that the nutritional science is sound BECAUSE "This is what our ancestors evolved to eat." And there is no nutritional reason to eliminate grains and legumes, potatoes and dairy.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Dairy and grains have been shown to create inflammatory and mucosal responses in some people and there is no nutritional necessity in having either in our diets. Your body becomes inflamed or creates mucous as a response to something foreign that it isn't able to handle properly entering the system. Can some people handle these things better than others? Sure. Can white people handle dairy better than blacks and asians and other races? Yep. (Because evolution) But that doesn't mean your body won't appreciate the break from having to process things it has a difficult time processing.

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

How is that fear mongering? I thought it was pretty widely accepted that peoples that derived from Northern European ancestry are better able to process dairy (less lactose and casein intolerances) because of the history of dairy in those people's history. Folks from Asia and Africa have a much, much higher percentage of dairy/lactose intolerance and the thought is that those cultures didn't feature dairy heavily, or at all, in their diets. That isn't fear mongering AT ALL.

tappae

Hmmm...seems like there are a lot of fat herbivores out there, especially those that are fed grains...like cows. And yet I see very few fat carnivores...very few overweight tigers, lions, etc.

The domestic cat is an obligate carnivore. That means that they have to eat meat to survive. There are certain amino acids that they need to function that they can only get from eating meat. Here in America, more than half of them are obese. In my work, I've seen x-rays of cats that show a girth to pelvis ratio that doesn't seem possible. I've seen multiple cats who were 4 times as heavy as they should have been ("your cat needs to lose 20 pounds").

Carnivores in the wild aren't trim because they're paleo. They're slim because they don't eat without a significant expenditure of energy first. If you were a hunter gatherer and one day all you found was some wild legume that took you hours to collect and prepare before you could eat it, it's probably not going to make you fat, right?

If you want to emulate the diet of our skinny ancestors, why not imitate their lifestyle? You can start with baby steps. Peeling, chopping and stirring don't burn a lot of calories, but probably more than ordering a pizza. Next, why not walk to the grocery store? Or grow your own vegetables?

Master level: persistence hunting!

lindsey1979

Just curious all you paleoers out there. How long have you been eating this way? I have a hard time believing that it's sustainable long term. Maybe because I live in the land of the mediterranian diet (Italy), which balances out carbs, proteins etc. etc., and pasta and pizza are king. Doing paleo here is almost impossible unless one is doing it for grave health reasons. However I'd like to hear how long you've been doing paleo--anyone for years?

I'm entering my second year, though I don't do a strict Paleo diet, but Primal which is more permissive. I just feel tons better on it personally, so it makes the food choices so much easier for me. I never knew I had issues with certain foods until I started eating them. Now, I notice the difference right away, so it's a pretty good negative feedback loop to not eat them in the future. In many ways, my diet is very similar to a French diet (minus the bread and most starchy vegetables) -- big on sauces, vegetables, some fruits, all sorts of meats, cheese, nuts, little red wine, etc. Just instead of the rice/potatoes/bread, I eat more vegetables.

lindsey1979

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

You realize, of course, that you are my case in point?

Have you ever gone off grains to see what the difference is? If not, then how do you know your body hasn't needed a break?

I like grains. They help me make my calories. I like legumes. They help me get my protein.

I don't experience any ill effects.

Why would I "fix" something that isn't broken?

No one is asking you to "fix" anything. I don't think I've seen anyone that says this diet is the right diet for EVERYONE (I don't think any diet can make that claim). But, there are a lot of people that didn't think anything was wrong for them either, and then after going Paleo/Primal, they felt a lot better and realized that their "normal" was suboptimal. Folks with celiac are extreme and realize something is very, very wrong. But food sensitivities and intolerances lie on a spectrum and many people don't realize that until they eliminate them from their diet -- and for some, this results in the clearing up of other issues -- digestive issues, auto-immune issues, etc.

It may not help you personally, but it certainly has helped and is beneficial to others.

cwsreddy

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

You realize, of course, that you are my case in point?

Have you ever gone off grains to see what the difference is? If not, then how do you know your body hasn't needed a break?

I like grains. They help me make my calories. I like legumes. They help me get my protein.

I don't experience any ill effects.

Why would I "fix" something that isn't broken?

you realize the logic here is fundamentally flawed yes?

if you've never gone without grains you have nothing to compare your current experience WITH.

you understand this? yes?

cwsreddy

I disagree wholeheartedly. Dairy and grains have been shown to create inflammatory and mucosal responses in some people and there is no nutritional necessity in having either in our diets. Your body becomes inflamed or creates mucous as a response to something foreign that it isn't able to handle properly entering the system. Can some people handle these things better than others? Sure. Can white people handle dairy better than blacks and asians and other races? Yep. (Because evolution) But that doesn't mean your body won't appreciate the break from having to process things it has a difficult time processing.

"in some people" is the key point here

absolutely.

cwsreddy

I was responding to someone else who apparently thinks I don't know what digestive discomfort is like.

FTR:
I think the name "paleo" or "primal" or whatever is stupid and laughable and the "science" behind it is "meh" at best.
I think it's foolish to "food shame" based on said "meh" science.
I don't care if you choose to eat raspberry pianokeytones, I'm going to poop on forum derp.

1) the science behind the nutritional value of a paleo diet is not meh
2) the only people who food shame in regard to paleo are the people shaming those ON the paleo diet. lol
3) the only person who derped in this thread thus far is the person who put up a raccoon meme, plugged her ears and went "lalalalalala I can't hear you"

wonder who that was. :yawn:

lindsey1979

Pffttt... I don't know where you live, but "race" isn't so clear cut where I live.
Maybe YOUR body "appreciates a break" but my body ("white" by appearance but not necessarily by heritage, btw) hasn't needed a break in 45 years.
Please stop the fear mongering.

You realize, of course, that you are my case in point?

Have you ever gone off grains to see what the difference is? If not, then how do you know your body hasn't needed a break?

I like grains. They help me make my calories. I like legumes. They help me get my protein.

I don't experience any ill effects.

Why would I "fix" something that isn't broken?

You wouldn't which is why we have different diets for different people.

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

Anyway the point is not all diets fit all people. I personally can think of no worse a diet where I had to count every bit of food I was eating and then had to stop eating when I'd reached my target number. But for many it works just great.

And unless your stock portfolio is invested in the major multinational grain companies, why would you care if people are cutting grain from their diets.

You don't have to , there not forcing you to give up a nutrient deficient food source.

Paleo is a choice that you take. Not something that is forced upon you. It's not like it's backed by the government and is the foundation of its food paradigm (hmmm I wounded what cheap, nutritionally deficient food source is?)

I was responding to someone else who apparently thinks I don't know what digestive discomfort is like.

FTR:
I think the name "paleo" or "primal" or whatever is stupid and laughable and the "science" behind it is "meh" at best.
I think it's foolish to "food shame" based on said "meh" science.
I don't care if you choose to eat raspberry pianokeytones, I'm going to poop on forum derp.

Who is food shaming anyone? You're reading into things that aren't on this thread.

As for the science behind it, how many studies have you read? I'm betting very few, if any.

bluetuesday5

Penicillin isn't paleo so you should avoid it if you get an infection. You can probably guess where I stand on this issue...

tennisdude2004

I think the kaleo diet looks interesting, but I would never consider doing it because it does not suit my lifestyle or the foods I WANT to eat.

I even like the fact that the name is a cross between kale and paleo (I know that probably gets a lot of your blood boiling) hell they didn't even have kale in Palaeolithic times ( sorry not sure if that's true or not).

I really, really think you should read Amber's blog www.gokaleo.com

I think it would be very helpful to you.

Thanks I have read it several times.

I wasn't be sarcastic (although I normally am). I think it looks like a great diet.

It just doesn't suit me or my eating style. my point is there are some great diets out there, most get us to the same destination, they just use our preferred route.

I'm sorry, I don't understand.

Here is Amber's description of Kaleo:

Kale + Paleo = Kaleo. It’s a joke, yo! A word I made up because people always seem to want to label my way of eating, to put me ‘in a box’. Kale and paleo are trendy right now, and I wanted to poke at food fads a little. I kinda liked it though, and it took on a life of it’s own. It grew into something more than a play on words, an anti-dogma if you will. I resist the philosophical dogma that there is only ONE right way to eat.

Everyone’s ‘ideal’ diet is very individual and unique to themselves. Here’s a graphic that depicts how I decide what to eat.

(venn diagram showing intersection between Foods I enjoy, Foods that support my goals, values and culture, Foods that my local food system provides abundantly and sustainably: https://gokaleo.com/about-me/what-is-kaleo-2/)

I try to get as much of my nutrition as possible from foods that fit into the ‘Food Foundation’ intersection. Of course I do eat foods that don’t fit perfectly into this template, like coffee and chocolate, but most of my food choices fall into these intersections. Using this template, everyone’s diet would be unique to their values, goals, personal tastes and local climate. There is no one right way.

My way of eating evolves as I learn, and as my body changes, so flexibility is also a component of my eating philosophy. And most important of all, a sense of perspective: we are unbelievably fortunate that we have the freedom and resources to spend time optimizing our diets. Lets be gracious to others who are just beginning their lifestyle change, and lets be aware of how our food choices impact our environment and the people and creatures we share it with.

Exactly what about that doesn't suit you? Considering how food choices impact the environment? Eating foods you enjoy?

This is a prime example of somebody trying to force a diet on someone

'I don't understand' 'exactly what about that doesn't suit you'

I think this is where primal differs from other 'fad diets kaleo, vegan, IIFYM and yes primal and paleo - there all fad diets don't be naive'. With primal we don't force it on others.

Your diet doesn't float my boat, it's based on cutting out food I really enjoy eating and limiting the macros I really enjoy eating.

The thing is I'm not going to chastise you for having a different diet to me.

DIFFERENT HORSES FOR DIFFERENT COURSES.

Amber realises it - everyone’s ‘ideal’ diet is very individual and unique to themselves.

lindsey1979

I disagree with you there. I think there is a time and place for everything, and appropriate forums for certain discourse. Just as I wouldn't lay a lot of legalese on reader's in a non-legal forum, I likewise would lay a lot of scientific specific jargon out on a non-scientific based forum. The need to "educate" others seems incredibly arrogant in this context to me.

The difference between "hypothesis" and "theory" is taught in elementary school here in the U.S.

Then you must also know that theory has uses other than in the scientific context in common parlance. It's not exclusively used as the scientific term of art (unlike hypothesis that is).

For example, when a prosecutor is arguing his/her case before a jury, he/she will explain the "theory" of the case or motive. I don't think anyone screams "that's not what theory means!" Ugh, yes, it is -- at least one of the meanings.

cwsreddy

Penicillin isn't paleo so you should avoid it if you get an infection. You can probably guess where I stand on this issue...

I didn't realize you're supposed to eat penicillin.

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