Paleo Lifestyle Change?

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  • I was going to suggest Wheat Belly as well. My 9 year old son has GERD very badly & was on meds at 3 months old until a year and a half ago when we went Paleo. He still had issues but not bad enough that he needed to be medicated. We also switched many foods to organic and grass fed which helped him too.

    A friend of ours has her masters in functional nutrition - she mentioned Wheat Belly to me for inflammation issues I was having in my arms causing major tendonitis and nerve pain - best book I have ever read! My husband, son and I have gone wheat free and my pain is gone, my son hasn't had a GERD attack in 6 months and my husband has lost 31 lbs in 10 weeks and has no more IBS issues.

    It's my opinion but this book has changed my life and my families life. We now cook every night as a family - plan our meals ahead of time and eat mostly whole foods and grass fed meat.

    Good luck to you!
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,216 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.
    Only read the first 2 books..........As far as visual stimulation goes I like the series, but I can see why some wouldn't.
  • snikkins
    snikkins Posts: 1,282 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.

    somehow I'm not surprised.

    At least the HBO series will eventually get an ending.
  • cwsreddy
    cwsreddy Posts: 998 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.

    somehow I'm not surprised.

    At least the HBO series will eventually get an ending.

    Tell me about it. Dude started out a good writer but he's gotten so masturbatory now... he just writes more because he likes the "sound" of his own voice so to speak. The meandering of the story is really detrimental to the amount of ****s I give anymore :tongue:
  • snikkins
    snikkins Posts: 1,282 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.

    somehow I'm not surprised.

    At least the HBO series will eventually get an ending.

    Tell me about it. Dude started out a good writer but he's gotten so masturbatory now... he just writes more because he likes the "sound" of his own voice so to speak. The meandering of the story is really detrimental to the amount of ****s I give anymore :tongue:

    Which is, really, why I tell people to not waste their time reading the books since there's a perfectly good alternative out there, i.e. the HBO show, until the written series is finished, which, spoiler alert, it never will be.

    I feel like there might be a counter-lesson here, but I haven't had enough coffee yet to determine what it is.

    ETA: Maybe it has something to do with what's been being said about doing what works for you especially if you have a medical condition that at least feels better if you're restrictive but avoiding being unnecessarily restrictive if you don't have to be.
  • nutritionist maybe, but MD's have truly no concept of how to treat GERD/LPR - I've seen dozens of ENTs including the best in the business and they're all clueless. They just throw you on a permanent regimen of PPIs that don't help, and in fact exacerbate the problem.

    I can say this is absolutely true from personal experience.

    I had GERD issues when I was overweight. I tried coming off the PPIs after I got to a healthy weight. The reflux just kept rebounding, to which my doctor shrugged and said 'Most people just stay on Prevacid for life. It's fine!'

    I wasn't fine with the risk of bone loss from the PPIs, so I did my own personal experiment with tapering my doses. I went from a full dose, to a half dose daily, to a half dose every other day, to a half dose every three days, and so on.

    I've been completely off PPIs and without a GERD/reflux recurrence for well over a year now.
    Doctors hardly get any education in nutrition. Unless they keep up to date with the scientific journals and studies or research things on their own they're pretty much clueless themselves. Their solution is usually to prescribe a pill for every malady which usually only treats the symptoms not the underlying cause.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Definitely personal experience counts for a lot - when I was having difficulty with IBS, I found that Acacia fiber and fennel helped immensely and that was through suggestions.

    But I've also tried lots of other things and been so excited by the hope of change that I noticed wonderful differences in the first few days or weeks... and then not so much. And then whatever I'm doing is a pain to sustain but I hope it's going to get better, and it doesn't really but I feel guilty about quitting because of all the information I've read about how this is the ONE TRUE WAY to take care of myself and be truly healthy. I've learned through experience that cumulative small changes trump big ones.
  • RockWarrior84
    RockWarrior84 Posts: 840 Member
    Wouldn't a gastroenterologist be the person to ask about what diet is best for a person with GERD, rather than people on a forum?

    Doctors can not give absolutes when it comes to diets. They can tell you what has worked with other patients and recommend stuff but that is about it. If you test positive for something like celiac disease that is one thing. Depending on blood test the doctor can tell you if you are low in anything as well (Iron, B12, ect) and recommend supplements.
  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.
    Only read the first 2 books..........As far as visual stimulation goes I like the series, but I can see why some wouldn't.

    Funniest irony... I've read the whole series but I'm considerate. Still love the series.

    FTR: People who have digestive issues actually have my sympathies.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.

    somehow I'm not surprised.

    At least the HBO series will eventually get an ending.

    Tell me about it. Dude started out a good writer but he's gotten so masturbatory now... he just writes more because he likes the "sound" of his own voice so to speak. The meandering of the story is really detrimental to the amount of ****s I give anymore :tongue:

    Which is, really, why I tell people to not waste their time reading the books since there's a perfectly good alternative out there, i.e. the HBO show, until the written series is finished, which, spoiler alert, it never will be.

    I feel like there might be a counter-lesson here, but I haven't had enough coffee yet to determine what it is.

    ETA: Maybe it has something to do with what's been being said about doing what works for you especially if you have a medical condition that at least feels better if you're restrictive but avoiding being unnecessarily restrictive if you don't have to be.

    There's actually another alternative: the actual historical account of the Plantagenets, which Game of Thrones is pretty solidly based upon. Fewer dragons and zombies, but you can't have everything.
  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHiu6fxvlNFsJN0JylKGytNpjIvDIWt6lFyRovMbRuYpJ6sdn8DA

    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.

    somehow I'm not surprised.

    At least the HBO series will eventually get an ending.

    Tell me about it. Dude started out a good writer but he's gotten so masturbatory now... he just writes more because he likes the "sound" of his own voice so to speak. The meandering of the story is really detrimental to the amount of ****s I give anymore :tongue:

    Which is, really, why I tell people to not waste their time reading the books since there's a perfectly good alternative out there, i.e. the HBO show, until the written series is finished, which, spoiler alert, it never will be.

    I feel like there might be a counter-lesson here, but I haven't had enough coffee yet to determine what it is.

    ETA: Maybe it has something to do with what's been being said about doing what works for you especially if you have a medical condition that at least feels better if you're restrictive but avoiding being unnecessarily restrictive if you don't have to be.

    There's actually another alternative: the actual historical account of the Plantagenets, which Game of Thrones is pretty solidly based upon. Fewer dragons and zombies, but you can't have everything.

    I dunno. I'm crushin' pretty hard on Tyrion & Sandor (bad boy thing, I guess), but I'd give it a read. :drinker:
  • greentart
    greentart Posts: 411 Member
    I have/had GERD, and the only thing that helped were those damn pills.
    Until I started eating Primal. I've almost gone completely Paleo, except that I still occasionally eat diary and corn. I don't have any issues with GERD, constipation, headaches, or super PMS-ing. Whether its the non-gluten, the non-sugar, or a combo of both, I really don't know. I find myself to be fuller for longer, I have more energy, and my brain is clearer.
    I don't think that the food is bland at all. I use spices and herbs, and find everything to be perfectly flavorful. Substitute peanut butter for almond butter, sunflower seed butter, cashew butter, or any other nut butter. If you still need the occasional bread, then go for it. But pay attention to how it makes you feel. Plus, there's so many alternatives (coconut flour, almond flour, gluten-free flour mixes) that you can make your own gluten-free bread if you really need it. (Also, look up 'Cloud Bread'. Yum!)

    So, based on personal experience, I would recommend Primal/Paleo to anyone who's willing to make the effort. And it's really not that huge of an effort. I would say see what works for you. Try it if you want, try a modified version if you prefer instead. It's helped me positively change my view on food and how I interact with food.

    Good luck and best wishes!
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Paleo isn't inherently bad as a diet (like Atkins and some of the others).

    Why is Atkins an "inherent bad diet"?

    Because it eliminates carbs, an important macro nutrient.

    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Paleo isn't inherently bad as a diet (like Atkins and some of the others).

    Why is Atkins an "inherent bad diet"?

    Because it eliminates carbs, an important macro nutrient.

    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Wouldn't a gastroenterologist be the person to ask about what diet is best for a person with GERD, rather than people on a forum?

    Potentially, but many don't treat the condition correctly as I've found over my years of research and first hand experience on the subject, which is why I've referred to Dr. Stephen Wright's work on numerous occasions now. Take his word for it if you don't want to take mine. :smile:

    Steve Wright is a health engineer and author. (Yeah, I'm sticking with a specialist on this one.)

    I thought he is a comedian.


    That too:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbzaDt0IbF4
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Paleo isn't inherently bad as a diet (like Atkins and some of the others).

    Why is Atkins an "inherent bad diet"?

    Because it eliminates carbs, an important macro nutrient.

    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is

    130g of carb intake????? Really.

    Please explain why we need to eat carbs and certainly to those levels?????
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Are you thinking of doing it just because of the GERD issue, or do you ave any other reasons? GERD is acid reflux issues, right? I really do not see how paleo would help with acid reflux….

    I had horrible stomach ulcers, gas etc etc for years. I was never diagnosed with GERD but cutting out the gluten completely ended all symptoms.

    Sounds like it wasn't GERD then.
  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member
    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is

    Looks straight to me.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Hi everyone. I am seriously considering transitioning into a paleo lifestyle. I don't know that I can cut out grains completely, I love my brown rice & occasionally whole wheat pasta & cereal, but I can definitely cut back. Everything that I have been reading about it seems to be great. I have GERD & I've read a lot of reviews that adopting the paleo lifestyle not only cleared it up, but also cleared up a whole slew of other health issues that they had as well. Has anyone adopted the Paleo lifestyle here & can you please tell me what your experience has been by doing so? I'd appreciate your feedback.

    Thanks!!
    Tiff

    I understand reducing stuff to remove symptoms of GERD. My wife has Crohns and what we learned and that no diet is the right diet. It is an individual effort. I would say start with a food journal and remove some foods and see if symptoms decrease or stay the same. Do this and figure out what foods affect you negatively. Have you been tested for celiac disease? What the wife and I found out is that some foods that are natural and healthy according to most diets still had a negative impact on her gut such as Apples and other fruit and vegtables. IMO when it comes to gut issues its about what affects you and not the diet.

    QWe have found out that adding a probiotic helps or adding food such as greek yogurt that has active cultures helped as well.

    Your wife has Crohn's? Has she tried cannabis? My husband has been in remission for the last several years because of cannabis. Cannabidiol actually heals the intestinal lining, eliminating the symptoms. He has been able to eat anything since he found the right strains with enough CBD in it.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Paleo isn't inherently bad as a diet (like Atkins and some of the others).

    Why is Atkins an "inherent bad diet"?

    Because it eliminates carbs, an important macro nutrient.

    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is

    130g of carb intake????? Really.

    Please explain why we need to eat carbs and certainly to those levels?????

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day. However, this level is recommended only to support the central nervous system, red blood cell production, and tissues dependent on glucose; it does not support any physical activity."

    Essentially, my understanding is that your brain needs them. It can't use the energy from your fat stores.

    http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/2935/why-cant-the-brain-and-red-blood-cells-use-fuels-other-than-glucose
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Note how I am backing up my statements with credible references.
  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member

    Please explain why we need to eat carbs and certainly to those levels?????

    http://www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/macronutrients.htm

    doesn't list levels.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Paleo isn't inherently bad as a diet (like Atkins and some of the others).

    Why is Atkins an "inherent bad diet"?

    Because it eliminates carbs, an important macro nutrient.

    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is

    They aren't making those recommendations off of human need.

    Again, there is NO PHYSIOLOGICAL NEED for carbohydrates in the human diet. Zero, Zilch, None.

    We NEED protein, we NEED fats - DO NOT need carbs.
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Paleo isn't inherently bad as a diet (like Atkins and some of the others).

    Why is Atkins an "inherent bad diet"?

    Because it eliminates carbs, an important macro nutrient.

    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is

    130g of carb intake????? Really.

    Please explain why we need to eat carbs and certainly to those levels?????

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day. However, this level is recommended only to support the central nervous system, red blood cell production, and tissues dependent on glucose; it does not support any physical activity."

    Essentially, my understanding is that your brain needs them. It can't use the energy from your fat stores.

    http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/2935/why-cant-the-brain-and-red-blood-cells-use-fuels-other-than-glucose

    your body needs glucose to help support the brain and other organs, but why would you need to eat carbs? and again at those levels???
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
    I think I'd prefer the Game of Thrones Diet.
    Drink all the booze and bang all the time.

    Look what it did for them! Most of those folks are super fit!
    Looking forward to the next season of banging and drinking and of course the great imp, incest, killing, eunuchs, girls with swords, and more banging and drinking and to see Ayra make Joffrey cry like a little baby.

    Arya never meets Joffrey again.
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    :sad:

    She could've told you much more regarding those two than she did, so be thankful

    Funny irony here too -- that we're readers of the series and they're merely watchers of the HBO version.
    Only read the first 2 books..........As far as visual stimulation goes I like the series, but I can see why some wouldn't.

    If you're read the first two, you'll enjoy the third. Fourth is shaky and fifth is completely off the rails -- I suspect these are a result of him getting more popular and possibly in talks about the HBO series, so he abandoned/paused a lot of the major story arcs and put in a bunch of filler and side character. It was supposed to originally be a 5 book series, but now it looks like it will be at least 7 and maybe 9.

    I think HBO did a good job with the show -- better than I expected, but how they go into this next season or two will be telling as that when the books start to go rather nuts.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    I would not be so sure of that...
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    GERD, IBS, thyroid, they all have a leaky gut connection. Like many of the above posters, i went through 4 endocrinologists before I found one who actually looked me in the face and was more interested in my health as a whole than in prescribing me pills and scheduling the next appointment 6 weeks out.

    Although, I do think in many ways they too get jaded after dealing with so many people who want a quick fix, yet don't want to do the hard work. When I was absolutely adamant that I wanted my issue fixed to the greatest capacity available to both of us, I too was daunted by what was required.

    If anyone is interested in what it has cost me literally thousands of dollars to learn, here is what I have finally been told (and so far, he's proving himself correct)

    1. Weight loss is NOT the issue. If you have ANY leaky bowel issue, your concerns are far greater than you can possibly imagine and THAT is the biggest issue on your plate. It is THE doorway to every auto-immune disease.

    Anyone who has tears in their intestinal tract would benefit from cannabidiol. Your concerns have been answered!

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24185313

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3728155/
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Atkins doesn't eliminate carbs. You are eating, or should be, eating a lot of vegetables along with your proteins and fats for the first few weeks.

    Then you start upping your carb counts slowly all the while adding back in higher carb vegetables, fruits, nuts / seeds, dairy, grains.

    Get your facts straight before stating incorrect information.

    P.S - There is NO physiological NEED for carbs in the human diet. We don't need them to survive.

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day."

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    The Atkins diet requires less than that in the first phase:

    What You Can Eat and What You Can't

    The first part of the plan, called the induction phase, has these rules:

    No more than 20 grams of carbohydrates per day, mostly from certain vegetables
    Protein and fat from poultry, fish, eggs, red meat, butter, and vegetable oils
    No pasta, bread, grains, fruit, starchy vegetables, or dairy other than butter, cheese, and cream
    No nuts, seeds, or legumes like beans
    No caffeine
    No alcohol

    Next comes the "ongoing weight loss" stage, when you slowly add more vegetables, and you can include seeds, nuts, legumes, berries and other fruit, wine and other low-carb alcohol, and whole grains.

    After that, to help keep the weight off, you may be able to eat more carbs and add more foods to your diet, depending on your body's needs.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/atkins-diet-what-it-is

    Looks straight to me.

    She isn't posting from her own knowledge. Has to go to the corporate sponsored WebMD.

    I lived a low carb lifestyle for almost 10 years. My endocrinologist introduced me to the Atkins way of eating back in 2001 and I lost weight, Diabetes under control and kept the weight off until other health issues and a bad car accident.

    Found out that gluten is the culprit and hence my change in way of eating lifestyles.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate

    "The minimum recommended intake of carbohydrates necessary for survival is 130 grams or 520 kcal per day. However, this level is recommended only to support the central nervous system, red blood cell production, and tissues dependent on glucose; it does not support any physical activity."

    Essentially, my understanding is that your brain needs them. It can't use the energy from your fat stores.

    http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/2935/why-cant-the-brain-and-red-blood-cells-use-fuels-other-than-glucose

    your body needs glucose to help support the brain and other organs, but why would you need to eat carbs? and again at those levels???

    I do much better on 200 grams of carbs. Only 130g would have me feeling pretty hungry.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Again, there is NO PHYSIOLOGICAL NEED for carbohydrates in the human diet. Zero, Zilch, None.

    We NEED protein, we NEED fats - DO NOT need carbs.

    This is not correct.

    The different macros are metabolized at different rates - carbs are metabolized by far the fastest. Any individual who is going to be doing a lot of high intensity activity (like hunting game without a rifle) will *have* to consume carbs, or they will not be able to continue performing the activities. In the case of, for example, hunting, that means starvation.

    So, yes, carbs are required, and they are required precisely because of human physiology.

    Now, if you want to say that sedentary people who have food delivered to them don't strictly speaking need carbs to survive - yes, that statement can be considered basically correct.