Sugar is killing you.
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HI OP - I just read your opening statement. If you are going to try to tell me that eating fruit (eating a fresh orange or apple) is going to make me fat, then I reject your opening statement.
I will eat an orange and an apple and a banana and watermelon and cherries and ugli fruit over cookies, cakes, ice cream, brownies, etc, not only because there are many nutrients in fruit (vitamins, fiber, juice, refreshment and sweetness), and also because they really taste good and satisfy my sweet tooth without having to eat processed sugary snacks for that reason.
Are cookies, cakes, brownies and ice cream considered processed if I make them myself?
Chewing is a process, by the time any of this food hits your belly, it's processed. I'm eating a damned cookie if I want one. Or a banana if I want one. They both have sugar. Perfectly fine either way.
PROCESSED - meaning desserts and sweets and things other than fruit usually made with white sugar - the stuff that I crave being a sugar addict that made me fat. (cookies, cake, brownies, pastries, etc.. For YOU ,, you might be able to eat that, but for me, I'm doing well without.)
Um, it was a question, not an attack on you or your decisions. I was curious as to where the line was drawn. Every time one of these discussions comes up someone starts talking about processed sweets, and I was trying to determine what the real issue is. Processed means different things to different people on this forum.0 -
sugar is my weakness hate it0
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The article doesn't distinguish over consumption of sugar vs over consumption of calories in general. When someone over consumes and as a result becomes obese, it's likely that they're over consuming fat and sugar, and not usually protein. It's the sustained over consumption of calories and resulting obesity that causes the health problems at a biological problem. The body does not handle excess stored fat well and that is what is unhealthy, a single macronutrient is not to blame.
This is what irritates me about all of these kinds of articles and the studies that are done from which the articles are written...and these stupid threads. Seems like the vast majority of these studies are all, "we gave people a gazillion grams of sugar every day...bad things happened....guess sugar is the devil."
Never mind the fact that if someone is eating sugar (or saturated fat or whatever some study is trying to link disease and causality to) in those quantities then they are obviously not getting anything resembling proper nutrition or a balanced diet. But rather than concluding that excess is the real issue and moderation and balance and proper nutrition is the solution...it just turns into X is bad and is killing you so it's just best to stay away from X and just eat Y...that is until they also determine that Y is bad for you...but what they won't tell you is that Y is perfectly fine for you...it's just bad in the absence of X.
I swear, the deeper I get into nutrition and fitness the less relevant I find any of these studies to really be.0 -
sugar is my weakness hate it
Then wouldn't it be more accurate to say:
?sugar is my weakness [because I] love it.0 -
The article doesn't distinguish over consumption of sugar vs over consumption of calories in general. When someone over consumes and as a result becomes obese, it's likely that they're over consuming fat and sugar, and not usually protein. It's the sustained over consumption of calories and resulting obesity that causes the health problems at a biological problem. The body does not handle excess stored fat well and that is what is unhealthy, a single macronutrient is not to blame.
This is what irritates me about all of these kinds of articles and the studies that are done from which the articles are written...and these stupid threads. Seems like the vast majority of these studies are all, "we gave people a gazillion grams of sugar every day...bad things happened....guess sugar is the devil."
Never mind the fact that if someone is eating sugar (or saturated fat or whatever some study is trying to link disease and causality to) in those quantities then they are obviously not getting anything resembling proper nutrition or a balanced diet. But rather than concluding that excess is the real issue and moderation and balance and proper nutrition is the solution...it just turns into X is bad and is killing you so it's just best to stay away from X and just eat Y...that is until they also determine that Y is bad for you...but what they won't tell you is that Y is perfectly fine for you...it's just bad in the absence of X.
I swear, the deeper I get into nutrition and fitness the less relevant I find any of these studies to really be.
Because you know (and more importantly, they know) that a study attempting to demonstrate the negative consequences of moderate sugar consumption would almost certainly yield no clear outcome. They have to use an extreme for any chance of a flashy headline...and funding for studies without results <<<<<<<<< funding for studies looking to prove a certain theory with flashy headlines.0 -
HI OP - I just read your opening statement. If you are going to try to tell me that eating fruit (eating a fresh orange or apple) is going to make me fat, then I reject your opening statement.
I will eat an orange and an apple and a banana and watermelon and cherries and ugli fruit over cookies, cakes, ice cream, brownies, etc, not only because there are many nutrients in fruit (vitamins, fiber, juice, refreshment and sweetness), and also because they really taste good and satisfy my sweet tooth without having to eat processed sugary snacks for that reason.
Are cookies, cakes, brownies and ice cream considered processed if I make them myself?
Chewing is a process, by the time any of this food hits your belly, it's processed. I'm eating a damned cookie if I want one. Or a banana if I want one. They both have sugar. Perfectly fine either way.
PROCESSED - meaning desserts and sweets and things other than fruit usually made with white sugar - the stuff that I crave being a sugar addict that made me fat. (cookies, cake, brownies, pastries, etc.. For YOU ,, you might be able to eat that, but for me, I'm doing well without.)
Eating at a calorie surplus made you fat.
Processed has nothing to do with desserts made with white sugar. Processed has to do with any food that goes through a process that takes it from its natural state to something else. Milk is processed. Boxed pasta is processed. Every frozen and canned food is processed. Bread is processed.
Very simplistic view. There are many more reasons, depending on individuals hormones, insulin etc. Some foods like sugar can be root cause of the gain. The way I look at it, no one really knows what the heck goes inside an individual. Every needs to get off a theory and do whats best for them.
^ lol…thats all I got...
Probably too hard for you to process. LOL0 -
Now I want a candy bar...
I haven't had a candy bar in forever. But tomorrow is a five mile day and I'm out of sour patch kids...I could swing a candy bar. Oh, but what kind of get.
I've always been a snickers fan.
Don't have it with water, because too much water can kill you and that's science
I don't drink water, too busy mainline diet soda to be bothered0 -
HI OP - I just read your opening statement. If you are going to try to tell me that eating fruit (eating a fresh orange or apple) is going to make me fat, then I reject your opening statement.
I will eat an orange and an apple and a banana and watermelon and cherries and ugli fruit over cookies, cakes, ice cream, brownies, etc, not only because there are many nutrients in fruit (vitamins, fiber, juice, refreshment and sweetness), and also because they really taste good and satisfy my sweet tooth without having to eat processed sugary snacks for that reason.
Are cookies, cakes, brownies and ice cream considered processed if I make them myself?
Chewing is a process, by the time any of this food hits your belly, it's processed. I'm eating a damned cookie if I want one. Or a banana if I want one. They both have sugar. Perfectly fine either way.
PROCESSED - meaning desserts and sweets and things other than fruit usually made with white sugar - the stuff that I crave being a sugar addict that made me fat. (cookies, cake, brownies, pastries, etc.. For YOU ,, you might be able to eat that, but for me, I'm doing well without.)
Eating at a calorie surplus made you fat.
Processed has nothing to do with desserts made with white sugar. Processed has to do with any food that goes through a process that takes it from its natural state to something else. Milk is processed. Boxed pasta is processed. Every frozen and canned food is processed. Bread is processed.
Very simplistic view. There are many more reasons, depending on individuals hormones, insulin etc. Some foods like sugar can be root cause of the gain. The way I look at it, no one really knows what the heck goes inside an individual. Every needs to get off a theory and do whats best for them.
Lots of us know what goes on inside an individual. Because science.
^ lol…thats all I got...
Probably too hard for you to process. LOL0 -
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2010 article vs 2014 article is worth taking into consideration.
Not really when one is an article on Salon.com and the other is an article written by a very well respected nutrition scientist backing up his claims with scientific evidence and published scientific studies, especially when the science on glucose and fructose hasn't changed in 4 years...
who is still not actually a scientist and just a blogger.
salon and aragon are no different in that - in this particular case - they are both mouthpieces for studies, neither has done the research themselves.
That would depend on the credentials of the mouthpieces. Are they qualified to accurately interpret scientific studies, or are they just trying to sell a publication via media sensationalism.
**I am making no assumption either way in this case as I have no idea who wrote the article for salon, I'm simply pointing out that some people are qualified to report on research by others and some are not.0 -
What's killing people is lack of knowledge of HOW much they are consuming which why there's a weight issue with just about every industrialized country.
Complicating approaches to "eat less, move more" just helps to confuse people more.
Guaranteed that unless someone has a health/hormonal issue, "eating less, moving more" will be fine for 90% of the people who need to lose weight.
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What's killing people is lack of knowledge of HOW much they are consuming which why there's a weight issue with just about every industrialized country.
Complicating approaches to "eat less, move more" just helps to confuse people more.
Guaranteed that unless someone has a health/hormonal issue, "eating less, moving more" will be fine for 90% of the people who need to lose weight.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
And for many, we could even simplify it to "eat less". Can't get much easier to understand than that.0 -
I agree to this article. "Our body doesn't process all sugars the same way."
Limited Sugar diet may not kill ya. Out of Portion Sugar based diet will definitely create complications and increased waistlines.0 -
I'm dying a little more everyday.0
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We are all going to die someday anyways, why not make it worth it.0
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What's killing people is lack of knowledge of HOW much they are consuming which why there's a weight issue with just about every industrialized country.
Complicating approaches to "eat less, move more" just helps to confuse people more.
Guaranteed that unless someone has a health/hormonal issue, "eating less, moving more" will be fine for 90% of the people who need to lose weight.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I think it is less to do with information then skills.
Knowing you have to eat less (food) and move more I think is common knowledge. It is also pretty much seems to be a failure as a message given how prevalent obesity still is today.
Knowing you must be in a calorie deficit or eat less doesn't equip people with the skills to actually achieve that state in practice. Knowing you must eat less does not give people the skills to moderate their intake of highly palatable food especially if it has become a compulsive habit.
Which brings us back to sugar. I can't get no satisfaction isn't just a song by the Rolling Stones.
Most people know, quite consciously, that demolishing a packet of biscuits, a tray of cake and a litre of fizzy pop probably won't assist them in their efforts to slim down. Yet they still do it. Why? It's not because they lack willpower or some other laughable notion. It's because they lack the skills to do so...0 -
Sometimes I like to eat sugar with a spoon. mmmmmm0
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I agree to this article. "Our body doesn't process all sugars the same way."
Limited Sugar diet may not kill ya. Out of Portion Sugar based diet will definitely create complications and increased waistlines.
My waistline is fine, thanks.0 -
Alan Aragon
who is still not actually a scientist and just a blogger.
No.Alan Aragon has over 20 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan lectures at national and international conferences, and maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks.
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/about/0 -
I agree to this article. "Our body doesn't process all sugars the same way."
Limited Sugar diet may not kill ya. Out of Portion Sugar based diet will definitely create complications and increased waistlines.
My waistline is fine, thanks.
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What's killing people is lack of knowledge of HOW much they are consuming which why there's a weight issue with just about every industrialized country.
Complicating approaches to "eat less, move more" just helps to confuse people more.
Guaranteed that unless someone has a health/hormonal issue, "eating less, moving more" will be fine for 90% of the people who need to lose weight.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I think it is less to do with information then skills.
Knowing you have to eat less (food) and move more I think is common knowledge. It is also pretty much seems to be a failure as a message given how prevalent obesity still is today.
Knowing you must be in a calorie deficit or eat less doesn't equip people with the skills to actually achieve that state in practice. Knowing you must eat less does not give people the skills to moderate their intake of highly palatable food especially if it has become a compulsive habit.
Which brings us back to sugar. I can't get no satisfaction isn't just a song by the Rolling Stones.
Most people know, quite consciously, that demolishing a packet of biscuits, a tray of cake and a litre of fizzy pop probably won't assist them in their efforts to slim down. Yet they still do it. Why? It's not because they lack willpower or some other laughable notion. It's because they lack the skills to do so...
OK, now I'm curious. Let's ignore people that have compulsive disorders and the like - I agree they're going to need help with food issues. But for the normal person who just loves to eat cookies, cakes, and drink soda ... what skill\s do they lack that they can't put down or not buy one (or even part of one) of the cookies, cake and soda?0 -
HI OP - I just read your opening statement. If you are going to try to tell me that eating fruit (eating a fresh orange or apple) is going to make me fat, then I reject your opening statement.
I will eat an orange and an apple and a banana and watermelon and cherries and ugli fruit over cookies, cakes, ice cream, brownies, etc, not only because there are many nutrients in fruit (vitamins, fiber, juice, refreshment and sweetness), and also because they really taste good and satisfy my sweet tooth without having to eat processed sugary snacks for that reason.
Are cookies, cakes, brownies and ice cream considered processed if I make them myself?
Chewing is a process, by the time any of this food hits your belly, it's processed. I'm eating a damned cookie if I want one. Or a banana if I want one. They both have sugar. Perfectly fine either way.
PROCESSED - meaning desserts and sweets and things other than fruit usually made with white sugar - the stuff that I crave being a sugar addict that made me fat. (cookies, cake, brownies, pastries, etc.. For YOU ,, you might be able to eat that, but for me, I'm doing well without.)
you realize that some fruits have more sugar then a service of ice cream right?
and there is no difference, at the molecular level sugar is sugar….your body does not distinguish between where sugar comes from.
I understand that some fruit has higher carbs than others, but in general they all have good stuff that i love and feel is doing my body better than cake and muffins. It is my choice to enjoy fruit over cake. I have reasons for not choosing the cake and fruit is what makes it worth it.
yeah i know others have their own opinions about fruit and cake, but im telling you MY choices and MY experience. I'm doing well with these choices and its having a weight loss effect on me.
right now i am not focusing on the scientific stuff, im focusing on what hits me on certain levels, and what is addicting to me, and by expereince I know what food will lead to bad affects like weight gain, and what will aim toward weight loss, and I know what works better or not for me. Hey you enjoy your cake and I'll enjoy my fruit! in the end, we will get to our goals. everyone is different.0 -
I think it's a personal thing..
I do terribly when I eat too much added sugars. I feel bad, I look bad, I am overall not good.
When I stop, i get headaches, sometimes shakes, sometimes they turn into full blown migraines.
I do believe that added sugar is addictive, highly addictive, and a lot of us are unknowingly addicted to it.
I can only go by what my experience is and that of my friends. I have some friends who do fine eating it and other who do not. It is interesting to note that my friends who cut out added sugar lose weight quicker and easier then my friends who do not do this. Even with all of us eating healthy and exercising and attempting to lose weight. I also see a correlation between energy levels and overall general feeling well and remaining healthy (as in not getting sick)
there is some backing of this.. although I did not do a through research project on it.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140203163432.htm0 -
I am in total agreement. As far as human food consumption goes, refined sugar is a newcomer ... with the exception of wild honey it has been produced for only about one thousand years, the blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, and our bodies are not designed to handle it easily. Indeed, It has only been in the past few hundred years that refined sugar has been available to the average person and with increased consumption of refined sugar has come similar increases in obesity and the associated insulin intolerance and hypertension that accompany metabolic syndrome. There is no doubt that the alarming rise in diabetes and heart disease is closely linked with obesity and the consumption of refined sugar. Of course sugar is not the only villain ... our bodies were meant to be moving, not parked in front of a screen all day. I believe we need to have more consideration of who we are as humans and what our bodies need. That means eating whole, naturally occurring foods and getting some kind of daily exercise.
I recommend you read Richard J Johnson's "The Fat Switch" ... it's well researched by a very credible author and full of interesting information.0 -
The act of living is killing me.0
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I am in total agreement. As far as human food consumption goes, refined sugar is a newcomer ... with the exception of wild honey it has been produced for only about one thousand years, the blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, and our bodies are not designed to handle it easily. Indeed, It has only been in the past few hundred years that refined sugar has been available to the average person and with increased consumption of refined sugar has come similar increases in obesity and the associated insulin intolerance and hypertension that accompany metabolic syndrome. There is no doubt that the alarming rise in diabetes and heart disease is closely linked with obesity and the consumption of refined sugar. Of course sugar is not the only villain ... our bodies were meant to be moving, not parked in front of a screen all day. I believe we need to have more consideration of who we are as humans and what our bodies need. That means eating whole, naturally occurring foods and getting some kind of daily exercise.
I recommend you read Richard J Johnson's "The Fat Switch" ... it's well researched by a very credible author and full of interesting information.
The alarming rise in diabetes and obesity is closely linked to overeating. Period.0 -
What's killing people is lack of knowledge of HOW much they are consuming which why there's a weight issue with just about every industrialized country.
Complicating approaches to "eat less, move more" just helps to confuse people more.
Guaranteed that unless someone has a health/hormonal issue, "eating less, moving more" will be fine for 90% of the people who need to lose weight.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I think it is less to do with information then skills.
Knowing you have to eat less (food) and move more I think is common knowledge. It is also pretty much seems to be a failure as a message given how prevalent obesity still is today.
Knowing you must be in a calorie deficit or eat less doesn't equip people with the skills to actually achieve that state in practice. Knowing you must eat less does not give people the skills to moderate their intake of highly palatable food especially if it has become a compulsive habit.
Which brings us back to sugar. I can't get no satisfaction isn't just a song by the Rolling Stones.
Most people know, quite consciously, that demolishing a packet of biscuits, a tray of cake and a litre of fizzy pop probably won't assist them in their efforts to slim down. Yet they still do it. Why? It's not because they lack willpower or some other laughable notion. It's because they lack the skills to do so...
OK, now I'm curious. Let's ignore people that have compulsive disorders and the like - I agree they're going to need help with food issues. But for the normal person who just loves to eat cookies, cakes, and drink soda ... what skill\s do they lack that they can't put down or not buy one (or even part of one) of the cookies, cake and soda?
None. I'm normal and I like to eat dessert sometimes. I just eat a small amount and don't eat more than that.0 -
HI OP - I just read your opening statement. If you are going to try to tell me that eating fruit (eating a fresh orange or apple) is going to make me fat, then I reject your opening statement.
I will eat an orange and an apple and a banana and watermelon and cherries and ugli fruit over cookies, cakes, ice cream, brownies, etc, not only because there are many nutrients in fruit (vitamins, fiber, juice, refreshment and sweetness), and also because they really taste good and satisfy my sweet tooth without having to eat processed sugary snacks for that reason.
Are cookies, cakes, brownies and ice cream considered processed if I make them myself?
Chewing is a process, by the time any of this food hits your belly, it's processed. I'm eating a damned cookie if I want one. Or a banana if I want one. They both have sugar. Perfectly fine either way.
PROCESSED - meaning desserts and sweets and things other than fruit usually made with white sugar - the stuff that I crave being a sugar addict that made me fat. (cookies, cake, brownies, pastries, etc.. For YOU ,, you might be able to eat that, but for me, I'm doing well without.)
you realize that some fruits have more sugar then a service of ice cream right?
and there is no difference, at the molecular level sugar is sugar….your body does not distinguish between where sugar comes from.
I see a lot of people on this site posting that, and it doesn't make any sense at all. Do you think that the second you eat something that it's instantly converted down to it's base molecules?0 -
I am in total agreement. As far as human food consumption goes, refined sugar is a newcomer ... with the exception of wild honey it has been produced for only about one thousand years, the blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, and our bodies are not designed to handle it easily. Indeed, It has only been in the past few hundred years that refined sugar has been available to the average person and with increased consumption of refined sugar has come similar increases in obesity and the associated insulin intolerance and hypertension that accompany metabolic syndrome. There is no doubt that the alarming rise in diabetes and heart disease is closely linked with obesity and the consumption of refined sugar. Of course sugar is not the only villain ... our bodies were meant to be moving, not parked in front of a screen all day. I believe we need to have more consideration of who we are as humans and what our bodies need. That means eating whole, naturally occurring foods and getting some kind of daily exercise.
I recommend you read Richard J Johnson's "The Fat Switch" ... it's well researched by a very credible author and full of interesting information.
then how do people like myself eat sugar, stay in deficit, hit macros and meet all their health and fitness goals? Maybe I am a special snowflake...0
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