My Experience with Raw Vegan 80/10/10 Challenge Month
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By the way. Durianrider's website is www.30bananasAday.com criticism here on MFP is expected due to oposing views but this guy is as healthy and thin as can be. He also does a lot of cycling.
Enough about him. I want to know why your goal weight appears to be zero:
And then we can get back to talking about that sketchy and suspect Harley guy.0 -
By the way. Durianrider's website is www.30bananasAday.com criticism here on MFP is expected due to oposing views but this guy is as healthy and thin as can be. He also does a lot of cycling.
I thought we all agreed thin doesn't make you healthy?
No but low cholesterol levels and winning lots of marathons might be a good indicator.
No, they're not.
I've personally known people who ran marathons and had low cholesterol, who were also thin (hurrah, hallmark of health!). They were actually very unhealthy, nutritionally missing the mark, underweight and generally overworked. Winning marathons doesn't make you healthy, low cholesterol doesn't make you healthy, being thin doesn't make you healthy. Advocating an unhealthy diet and being an all around *kitten*? Well, that just makes you look even worse.0 -
I don't have a goal weight.0
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By the way. Durianrider's website is www.30bananasAday.com criticism here on MFP is expected due to oposing views but this guy is as healthy and thin as can be. He also does a lot of cycling.
I thought we all agreed thin doesn't make you healthy?
No but low cholesterol levels and winning lots of marathons might be a good indicator.
No, they're not.
I've personally known people who ran marathons and had low cholesterol, who were also thin (hurrah, hallmark of health!). They were actually very unhealthy, nutritionally missing the mark, underweight and generally overworked. Winning marathons doesn't make you healthy, low cholesterol doesn't make you healthy, being thin doesn't make you healthy. Advocating an unhealthy diet and being an all around *kitten*? Well, that just makes you look even worse.
Cholesterol levels is what doctors use as an indicator for heart disease. So yes it's very important, so is blood pressure.0 -
By the way. Durianrider's website is www.30bananasAday.com criticism here on MFP is expected due to oposing views but this guy is as healthy and thin as can be. He also does a lot of cycling.
I thought we all agreed thin doesn't make you healthy?
No but low cholesterol levels and winning lots of marathons might be a good indicator.
No, they're not.
I've personally known people who ran marathons and had low cholesterol, who were also thin (hurrah, hallmark of health!). They were actually very unhealthy, nutritionally missing the mark, underweight and generally overworked. Winning marathons doesn't make you healthy, low cholesterol doesn't make you healthy, being thin doesn't make you healthy. Advocating an unhealthy diet and being an all around *kitten*? Well, that just makes you look even worse.
Cholesterol levels is what doctors use as an indicator for heart disease. So yes it's very important, so is blood pressure.
Oh, good. The lipid hypothesis lives.
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This unfortunately has devolved...
OP - congratulations! I am a cyclist too and wouldn't be able to do so on low carbs. Just didn't work that well for me when riding 4+ hours.
As for the rest of the guys pushing their diet visions: some people (the inuit) have survived and thrived in horrid environments on close to 100% animal products and low carbs. Same some other tribes in Africa where the warrior mean live on meat, milk and blood.
Opposite end of the spectrum? vegan buddhist monks. Even some martial castes among them.
As a whole, humans have a huge range of potentially successful diets. A single one won't work for all people (an Asian vegan fighting monk with a soy allergy is truly screwed in his native environment), but there is a large range to make things work.
Now, I don't understand how almond butter is not raw... I just put them in the food processor... is that cooked? Not that I live by those rules. I even cook some fruit
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Someone asked about long term results on the diet the OP tried for a month so durianrider is someone that lives on that diet consistently and been on it long term. Here's some footage of his bloot test results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_A6Mh1J48&feature=youtube_gdata_player 0 -
As for the rest of the guys pushing their diet visions: some people (the inuit) have survived and thrived in horrid environments on close to 100% animal products and low carbs. Same some other tribes in Africa where the warrior mean live on meat, milk and blood.
Opposite end of the spectrum? vegan buddhist monks. Even some martial castes among them.
As a whole, humans have a huge range of potentially successful diets. A single one won't work for all people (an Asian vegan fighting monk with a soy allergy is truly screwed in his native environment), but there is a large range to make things work.
This is a thought that's been bouncing around in my head for a while now. On a certain level it would make sense to me that a person's regional ancestry might influence what type of "diet" was best for them. The problem with this being that the logistics involved in trying to realistically design a study that could encompass the necessary variables would be a nightmare. But there have to be reasons why some people seem to do better low carb while others do better high carb etc. etc. etc. And I like blaming my husband's Irish ancestry for his irrational fondness for potatoes.0 -
As for the rest of the guys pushing their diet visions: some people (the inuit) have survived and thrived in horrid environments on close to 100% animal products and low carbs. Same some other tribes in Africa where the warrior mean live on meat, milk and blood.
Opposite end of the spectrum? vegan buddhist monks. Even some martial castes among them.
As a whole, humans have a huge range of potentially successful diets. A single one won't work for all people (an Asian vegan fighting monk with a soy allergy is truly screwed in his native environment), but there is a large range to make things work.
This is a thought that's been bouncing around in my head for a while now. On a certain level it would make sense to me that a person's regional ancestry might influence what type of "diet" was best for them. The problem with this being that the logistics involved in trying to realistically design a study that could encompass the necessary variables would be a nightmare. But there have to be reasons why some people seem to do better low carb while others do better high carb etc. etc. etc. And I like blaming my husband's Irish ancestry for his irrational fondness for potatoes.
And also some selection - e.g. the inuit that couldn't eat seal simply dies. But yeah, I think that one of humanity's evolutionary advantages is its dietary flexibility. That enables us (as a species) to live in almost every terrestrial environment. And even dominate most of them.
Of course, for 99% of our evolutionary path we didn't live very much past 30 and so heart disease, cancer, etc. were underrepresented so high cholesterol and the long-term effects of dietary deficiencies might have been the least of our species' worries. But it would also explain why most healthy people can eat diversely (and suffer mostly due to portion size and over/under nutrition) with relative few problems.0 -
Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
For over a year I was gluten and dairy free, I ate protein, veggies & fruits and had soy. My energy was decent which was important due to all the training I was doing, I needed it for my swims, biking and running! Because I have a horrible sweet tooth I also ate processed foods containing lots of junk during this time. Still, I didn't have a weigt problem then, which was only a year & a half ago.
However, a number of months ago I 'fell off the wagon', & began eating too much of the wrong foods, items that my body was not conditioned to eating. To trump a newly bad diet, I stopped training. Ouch! That was a big mistake.
Although I'm getting back on track now, exercising again and my diet is improving, my BUT! Is that I need to get the unhealthy weight off fast! I'm a 31 female, 5'6 and a smaller frame.
In your experience, what type of diet has worked best for you in terms of weight loss & is this diet a way of life for you? Low carb high protein vs. raw/vegan?
For all you lovers of raw check out dr. Fuhrmans book, eat to live. He advocates a plant based diet. Amazing doctor!0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.0 -
Citations please.
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
(Hoping you're trolling, here.)
Why will high carb be better for weight loss than having the same deficit with different food choices?
Do you consider the preservation of muscle an important factor when losing weight?
How do you measure 'improved energy' and can you explain why your solution will 'improve' it over a 'balanced' diet that has, well, a 'balance' of all three?0 -
As for the rest of the guys pushing their diet visions: some people (the inuit) have survived and thrived in horrid environments on close to 100% animal products and low carbs. Same some other tribes in Africa where the warrior mean live on meat, milk and blood.
Opposite end of the spectrum? vegan buddhist monks. Even some martial castes among them.
I was going to mention this! Humans can and do thrive on a huge variety of diets.
Of course, some of this isn't necessarily quite as advertised. I've never met an inuit or a "martial" vagan monk, but I have visited masailand a few times. Interestingly enough, the only food I was offered was cream of wheat and chai with a lot of sugar in it, so maybe they're not so carb-free. Also, they don't eat their cows as much as we do and I think the blood-letting thing must have some element of ritual to it. I never saw it happen. I think making any health claims about the traditional masai would be difficult, though, since the ones that are "western" enough to have their health tested are almost certainly enjoying some amount of "western" lifestyle, including the food (I saw a masai man roller skating on a train platform, wearing a grey flannel suit and listening to a bright yellow walkman). I would imagine, though, that there are some serious issues with malnutrition, especially among the children (and the less-favored wives).0 -
He also looks like he is going to keel over and die at any second. He's a marathoner so he actually might keel over from a heart attackSomeone asked about long term results on the diet the OP tried for a month so durianrider is someone that lives on that diet consistently and been on it long term. Here's some footage of his bloot test results.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_A6Mh1J48&feature=youtube_gdata_player0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
See, this is where people get annoyed. No one will argue with you if you say that this is what works best FOR YOU. I would DIE on this diet. The sugars in the fruits would have me in a constant cycle of bouncing off the walls and crashing, I would be constantly hungry etc. etc. etc. I don't like carbs, never have. There's a reason why I start getting cravings for burgers and bacon when I'm training hard (and I really don't eat nearly as much of those when I'm not training). My body NEEDS fats and proteins, plant based would just never cut it for me.
As several people now have said, there are MANY different diets that humans have adapted to. You "may" be adapted to work best on a high carbohydrate diet, but I can assure I am not, which is why trying to put a one size fits all label on what people SHOULD eat is ridiculous. Each person needs to experiment and find what works best for them. If you want to recommend they try what you're doing, great, but saying what you're doing is THE BEST and implying it's what everybody should do, that's just ludicrous.0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
See, this is where people get annoyed. No one will argue with you if you say that this is what works best FOR YOU. I would DIE on this diet. The sugars in the fruits would have me in a constant cycle of bouncing off the walls and crashing, I would be constantly hungry etc. etc. etc. I don't like carbs, never have. There's a reason why I start getting cravings for burgers and bacon when I'm training hard (and I really don't eat nearly as much of those when I'm not training). My body NEEDS fats and proteins, plant based would just never cut it for me.
As several people now have said, there are MANY different diets that humans have adapted to. You "may" be adapted to work best on a high carbohydrate diet, but I can assure I am not, which is why trying to put a one size fits all label on what people SHOULD eat is ridiculous. Each person needs to experiment and find what works best for them. If you want to recommend they try what you're doing, great, but saying what you're doing is THE BEST and implying it's what everybody should do, that's just ludicrous.
It's like the "30 Bananas a Day" high carb, low fat raw/cooked vegan diet.
I would die if I ate a truckload of bananas a day. I would gain like crazy from eating all those carbs, because I'm not biking hours a day like the people promoting it.
I absolutely agree with everything you just said, and I have the same reactions when I don't eat enough protein or fat. MY best way is a balance of fruits, veggies, processed foods in moderation, and lean animal protein (with the occasional splurge on sirloin steak tips). That way won't work for everyone, and I'd never say my way is the "best" way for everyone.0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.
If history is any indication, he would, and inevitably will, strongly disagree.0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.
If history is any indication, he would, and inevitably will, strongly disagree.
It almost reminds me of that stubborn donkey clip from Family Guy...haha.0 -
Not everyone, just humans.
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.0 -
Hello all, thank you for the feedback. I most certainly know & agree 110% that there is not one diet that works for everyone. My question is just what works for you? Plant based or high protein low carb? I'm especially interested in hearing from the athletes out there, as I have gotten back into my training. Thank you I look forward to your input!0
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Plant based helps a lot of endurance athletes get to the next level. I know it helped me a lot with my cycling stamina and overall speed.Hello all, thank you for the feedback. I most certainly know & agree 110% that there is not one diet that works for everyone. My question is just what works for you? Plant based or high protein low carb? I'm especially interested in hearing from the athletes out there, as I have gotten back into my training. Thank you I look forward to your input!0 -
He also looks like he is going to keel over and die at any second. He's a marathoner so he actually might keel over from a heart attackSomeone asked about long term results on the diet the OP tried for a month so durianrider is someone that lives on that diet consistently and been on it long term. Here's some footage of his bloot test results.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_A6Mh1J48&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He chose to be a marathon runner and that's the type of body you get when you run a lot of marathons. If he had chosen to lift weights he would be a bigger person but he's nit a bodybuilder. As far as falling from a heart attack, it hasn't happened to 80 year old nutritional biochemist T. Colin Campbell which is on a very similar high carb vegan diet and jogs a few miles every day. Time will tell. But if I can run 6 miles at the age of 70 which is the distance he was doing on a daily basis at that time I think it would be a good thing.0 -
Big difference between running a few miles a day and being a marathon runner.
A friend of mine in the running club I go to is in his 70s and still leads group runs on club nights, some weekends and so on, as well as running most ofther days. He did the ultramathon I did and finished about 10 minutes ahead of me (my excuse is I had a dog to clean up after :P ).
He eats plenty of meat.
Citations please. How do you know it helped you over other high carb diets that don't just have plants in?Plant based helps a lot of endurance athletes get to the next level. I know it helped me a lot with my cycling stamina and overall speed.0 -
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
I got fatter on a diet like that. High carb does not suit me at all.
I got lean on high protein, moderate fat, moderate carb
who would have thought that the eat a balanced diet and do exercise idea would work so well....0 -
Any successful high-mileage training planning program will be rooted on recovery. The obvious recovery is rest after long miles and/or tough workouts; however, there is much more emphasis on the stress of the body with regards to diet. Here’s a short video of Brendan touching on cortisol (he goes into much greater detail in his book “Thrive.”)
http://youtu.be/Zlxi1wVX1zk
I averaged 180 miles per week cycling in 2013. My diet ranges between raw vegan, vegan, and fruitarian (good mixture of all). I consistently stay lean 140lbs or less at <9% BF. I’ve been collecting annual wellness exams (blood & lab work) for the last several years. For 2014, I expect running mileage will be in the 50 to 70 miles per week combined with cycling 100 miles per week.
As previous posters stated, what might work for someone, might not for others. My diet choices are purely health (not as much ethical) because I find the cleaner I eat, the better my performance becomes. Granted the only comparison/reasoning I have is when I was a vegetarian and did not train to level I do now. Nonetheless, I’d love to compare stats with others (plant-based and meat eaters).0 -
Not everyone, just humans.
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.
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Not everyone, just humans.
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.
You're right humans don't show one single evolutionary adaptation for eating anything other than plants, after all that's why we still have a massive appendix for fermenting and digesting cellulose, oh.....wait.......0 -
Not everyone, just humans.
For ultimate energy, weight loss, and fitness improvements, the best way is high carbohydrate, low fat, whole foods plant based diet.Hello everyone, this is a great thread! Right now I'm debating between following a raw/vegan diet or following a low carb high protein diet called (see www.Bearware.info). My goal is weight loss & improved energy. Ideally, I would like to be able to call this way of eating a healthy lifestyle, not a diet.
That is your way. It's not the best way for everyone.
You're right humans don't show one single evolutionary adaptation for eating anything other than plants, after all that's why we still have a massive appendix for fermenting and digesting cellulose, oh.....wait.......
:laugh:
I don't have an appendix anymore. Guess I'm not longer human. :sad:0 -
I personally believe that for me (based on what I have read and researched) that a high protein/higher fat/low carb diet is great for fast weight loss but over time can have major effects on your heart. I am currently 3 days into a high complex carbohydrate/plant based/no added salt/no dairy diet combined with at least 20 minutes of exercise per day. I feel great and I am enjoying the new recipes that I have discovered. I am really trying to limit my processed foods and also drink at least 8 glasses of water per day. I decided to do this after reading "The China Studies," "Skinny *****," and "How to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease." I don't have any major health issues except for the fact that I am overweight and looking to better my overall health.0
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