Eat to Live
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dwalt15110 wrote: »Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
I eat Doritos. I'll even weigh those suckers out, and put them in a snack bag. Your attitude shines through here.
Your point about a pound of green beans is moot, because green beans are not Doritos. Is this the advice you give people who want ice cream? Eat apples instead? It just does not work like that for the vast majority of people.
And gah, the thought of eating a pound of green beans makes me want to gag, I can't even imagine trying to force that down
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dwalt15110 wrote: »Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
Really? Please don't look at my diary, you'd be shocked at what I've been able to eat and still lose 65 lbs without buying in to a restrictive diet not based upon science.
If people feel that they need to be super strict in order to reach their goals, fine. I get that. But it's not the ONLY way. Many people on MFP have been successful while still maintaining their sanity.0 -
Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
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We have that book here. My husband wanted to try it. Water sauté - ing made me burn our wok. And I effing hate kale. I am willing to make a lot of changes in my life to lose weight, but giving up meat is not one of them. Eating huge plates of water sautéd veggies is not for me. I think there was one recipe that may have been tolerable but he had recipes with 15 different ingredients. Even the smoothies were awful. Not impressed. Let me eat my own food sautéed in whatever I want. He's into the memberships and the money.0
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dwalt15110 wrote: »Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
Calories in < calories out works for everyone. Always.
And Fuhrman, Isn't he the one that talks about "toxic hunger?" LOL He's a regular on Oz, so I personally have no interest or belief in what he says. All credibility is lost there with me.
(And does anyone actually eat an entire pound of green beans in one sitting? I think I'd never eat another green bean again, like that time when I was a kid and ate an entire package of coconut flakes. I couldn't eat coconut for about 20 years after that.)0 -
MommyL2015 wrote: »dwalt15110 wrote: »Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
Calories in < calories out works for everyone. Always.
And Fuhrman, Isn't he the one that talks about "toxic hunger?" LOL He's a regular on Oz, so I personally have no interest or belief in what he says. All credibility is lost there with me.
(And does anyone actually eat an entire pound of green beans in one sitting? I think I'd never eat another green bean again, like that time when I was a kid and ate an entire package of coconut flakes. I couldn't eat coconut for about 20 years after that.)
I would eat a pound of green beans in one sitting (I am a volume eater), but they'd be roasted in olive oil or with some potatoes. Just a pound of green beans? Nope.0 -
We have that book here. My husband wanted to try it. Water sauté - ing made me burn our wok. And I effing hate kale. I am willing to make a lot of changes in my life to lose weight, but giving up meat is not one of them. Eating huge plates of water sautéd veggies is not for me. I think there was one recipe that may have been tolerable but he had recipes with 15 different ingredients. Even the smoothies were awful. Not impressed. Let me eat my own food sautéed in whatever I want. He's into the memberships and the money.
Stuff like that is what makes me think he's really over the top. I'd try a plant-based diet for a while to see if I liked how it makes me feel (I actually started an experiment and might go back to it). But I really don't understand the idea that even small amounts of olive oil must be avoided, especially since it makes vegetables so much tastier (although I am suspicious that it's something related to that).0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »We have that book here. My husband wanted to try it. Water sauté - ing made me burn our wok. And I effing hate kale. I am willing to make a lot of changes in my life to lose weight, but giving up meat is not one of them. Eating huge plates of water sautéd veggies is not for me. I think there was one recipe that may have been tolerable but he had recipes with 15 different ingredients. Even the smoothies were awful. Not impressed. Let me eat my own food sautéed in whatever I want. He's into the memberships and the money.
Stuff like that is what makes me think he's really over the top. I'd try a plant-based diet for a while to see if I liked how it makes me feel (I actually started an experiment and might go back to it). But I really don't understand the idea that even small amounts of olive oil must be avoided, especially since it makes vegetables so much tastier (although I am suspicious that it's something related to that).
I think the idea is because it doesn't taste as good, you're going to eat only to extinguish your hunger. I tried "Eat to Live" for a week years ago and it felt like a struggle to eat because so much of the food was raw and the salt/fat content was so low.0 -
Every time I see "Eat to Live" I think of Maiden:Run, live to eat, eat to live, do or die
Run, live to eat, eat to live, Aces high0 -
Everyone "Eats to live". Kind of an oxymoron. HOW people eat is a choice. While nutrient dense food is a better choice, I'll be damned if I have to eliminate Doritos.
The issue I see here is that many people who do restrictive diets condemn lots of "processed" foods because usually they don't know how to handle them themselves or blame them as the reason for being overweight or the obesity epidemic.
The reality is, it's CICO. If people prefer to eat whole foods only, cool. If some like to mix in a lot of processed foods with it, cool.
But realize that ALL the people who sell books/diets are GREAT SALESMAN. You're supposed to be enticed by what they say, and they are supposed to make it sound better than the next guys diet. That's why it's a billion dollar industry.
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janejellyroll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »We have that book here. My husband wanted to try it. Water sauté - ing made me burn our wok. And I effing hate kale. I am willing to make a lot of changes in my life to lose weight, but giving up meat is not one of them. Eating huge plates of water sautéd veggies is not for me. I think there was one recipe that may have been tolerable but he had recipes with 15 different ingredients. Even the smoothies were awful. Not impressed. Let me eat my own food sautéed in whatever I want. He's into the memberships and the money.
Stuff like that is what makes me think he's really over the top. I'd try a plant-based diet for a while to see if I liked how it makes me feel (I actually started an experiment and might go back to it). But I really don't understand the idea that even small amounts of olive oil must be avoided, especially since it makes vegetables so much tastier (although I am suspicious that it's something related to that).
I think the idea is because it doesn't taste as good, you're going to eat only to extinguish your hunger. I tried "Eat to Live" for a week years ago and it felt like a struggle to eat because so much of the food was raw and the salt/fat content was so low.
Yeah, that was my suspicion.0 -
MommyL2015 wrote: »dwalt15110 wrote: »Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
Calories in < calories out works for everyone. Always.
And Fuhrman, Isn't he the one that talks about "toxic hunger?" LOL He's a regular on Oz, so I personally have no interest or belief in what he says. All credibility is lost there with me.
(And does anyone actually eat an entire pound of green beans in one sitting? I think I'd never eat another green bean again, like that time when I was a kid and ate an entire package of coconut flakes. I couldn't eat coconut for about 20 years after that.)
I'm pretty crazy for raw green beans - I can put away about a pound raw, no dressing/dip. But I regret it gastrointestinally later when my body wonders what I just put it through....
I think your first point is a bit nitpicky though. Clearly he's not talking about CICO as a scientific concept, but as a diet - where you don't worry about anything else but calorie content, often paired with a heavy emphasis on perfect food logging. For many people, this kind of lifestyle just isn't sustainable and they work much better on a diet with black and white rules - even if the rules end up adhering to the CICO scientific concept, the way of eating isn't focused on it.0 -
I don't know of their relationship except that Dr. Oz wrote the preface for Dr Fuhrman's book Eat to Live.0
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snowflake930 wrote: »He is always on the membership drive for PBS when they are asking for money.
That is where I first heard him talk. What he said made sense. I bought the audio book and his encouragement and validation of nutrition principles has changed my life.0 -
His Eat to Live book was published in 2003. It has a reasonable plan.redchevy54 wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »He is always on the membership drive for PBS when they are asking for money.
That is where I first heard him talk. What he said made sense. I bought the audio book and his encouragement and validation of nutrition principles has changed my life.
Later, Furhman went of the rails when he made a nutty web site and hooked up with the quack Dr. Oz.0 -
Regarding Forks Over Knives, you might want to read the following:
aicr.org/about/advocacy/the-china-study.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
http://anthonycolpo.com/forks-over-knives-the-latest-vegan-nonsense-dissected-debunked-and-destroyed/
scienceforfitness.com/2014/12/01/movie-review-forks-over-knives/
theskepticalcardiologist.com/2015/08/04/the-incredibly-bad-science-behind-dr-esselstyns-plant-based-diet/
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Fuhrman is a grade A quack.0
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I'm pretty closed minded to all you haters. I have tested Fuhrman's ideas and found them to work. I hoped to get support from others that had found success as well as share what has given me so much hope and success.0
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arios952013 wrote: »Again, please read the Eat to Live book by Doctor Joel Fuhrman before making judgments or thoughtless statements. Don't put down people looking for true nutrition. I don't count calories, and I look for nutrient rich foods, whole foods not processed. I also review what is good to eat to avoid cancer and/or recover from cancer. I also know meat has no fiber and clogs arteries. In addition, I saw my cholestrol fall form the 200s to 147 and all my other numbers looking better than ever.
I too had a major drop in my cholesterol, but I have not given up meat, eggs, cheese, or, really, any foods. I personally do not do well on diets that restrict certain foods or food groups.0 -
redchevy54 wrote: »I'm pretty closed minded to all you haters. I have tested Fuhrman's ideas and found them to work. I hoped to get support from others that had found success as well as share what has given me so much hope and success.
of course- the only answer to everyone's thoughts is - we are haters.
Clearly.
it's the only logical answer.0 -
dwalt15110 wrote: »Wow! It's so amazing how differences in opinion certainly bring out the cattiness in people. First of all, there is no best way to lose weight. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone works out in the same way. I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but calories in and calories out doesn't work for everyone.
Second, perhaps instead of being closed minded, you might want to read to be better informed. If you haven't read Dr. Fuhrman's book and researched his approach, you have no idea what he has proposed. I always find that those who attack something do so because it's different from what they think is right.
I know no one would ever eat Doritos, but 1 ounce of Doritos is 140 calories. That's 11 chips. Not very filling. Yet, for that same 140 calories, I can eat almost 1 pound of green beans.
A vegetarian approach is not for everyone, just as a diet of meat isn't, or one based on fats, and I can go on and on. However, there is a respectful way of disagreeing and a disrespectful way. Attacking someone's ideas, because they don't match yours is disrespectful. Even without caps lock on, attitude shines through.
OP I'm glad you found something that has you exciting about losing weight. Only you will know if this is the right thing for you.
I eat Doritos. Granted I don't feel like eating them often, but when I feel like having them I do and enjoy every single one of these 11 chips.
That's besides the point though. If we are applying the same rules no one would eat nuts. Why would I eat walnuts when 1 ounce of walnuts is 185 calories? That's only 14 walnut halves (or 7 whole walnuts if you will). I can eat almost 15 Doritos for that many calories!
Kidding aside. The thing is, there is a place for Doritos (and walnuts, and green beans, and meat...etc) in a diet. You have a calorie allowance, so you budget the calories accordingly among the foods you feel you want for that day and judge what is worth the calories and what isn't. If you treat it like a money budget, do you always go for the cheapest options? Or do you sometimes buy something that isn't the cheapest simply because you deem it worthy? (tastier, looks better, has better options, provides better entertainment..etc)
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redchevy54 wrote: »I'm pretty closed minded to all you haters. I have tested Fuhrman's ideas and found them to work. I hoped to get support from others that had found success as well as share what has given me so much hope and success.
Well, you could always join his community to be around like minded people, though (shockingly), it costs money to be a member.
https://www.drfuhrman.com/members/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=/members/default.aspx0 -
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I have read almost all of Dr. Fuhrman's books and several other books akin to Dr. Fuhrman's beliefs. I tend to agree with them about 80%. I believe that we all do need to eat more nutrient dense foods and eliminate or restrict other "not-so-great" foods like refined sugar. Does that mean it works for everyone? Absolutely not. I tried to do the 6-week diet and couldn't hack it.
I did learn that my taste changed a lot when I drastically lowered salt and sugar intake and I was more sensitive to those during and after I tried it. And I have tried several recipes and liked them. (And tried some that were absolutely awful!)
Now, I try to follow a plant-based diet but I eat cheese and yogurt and occasionally ice cream.
We all have strong beliefs about what is "right." Maybe there isn't a "right."0 -
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Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I admit to being too absolute in my thinking. Although I will make concessions in what I eat when the social pressure is too high, I am most comfortable with restricting animal products, refined carbs, and oils while loading up on vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and legumes. I have enjoyed the weight loss and the ability to move freely again. I don't suffer from arthritis stiffness and pain like I did before and have forgone the daily anti-inflammatory med. I only wish I could have adopted healthy eating earlier in my life. Perhaps I could have avoided having my left shoulder joint replaced due to osteoarthritis.0
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meredith1629 wrote: »I have read almost all of Dr. Fuhrman's books and several other books akin to Dr. Fuhrman's beliefs. I tend to agree with them about 80%. I believe that we all do need to eat more nutrient dense foods and eliminate or restrict other "not-so-great" foods like refined sugar. Does that mean it works for everyone? Absolutely not. I tried to do the 6-week diet and couldn't hack it.
I did learn that my taste changed a lot when I drastically lowered salt and sugar intake and I was more sensitive to those during and after I tried it. And I have tried several recipes and liked them. (And tried some that were absolutely awful!)
Now, I try to follow a plant-based diet but I eat cheese and yogurt and occasionally ice cream.
We all have strong beliefs about what is "right." Maybe there isn't a "right."
I am not familiar with the membership offer. I didn't use it. I am careful in my judgement against it although human nature is frequently to take advantage of others.0 -
“Broccoli has more protein than steak”—and other crap
http://eathropology.com/2013/04/08/broccoli-has-more-protein-than-steak-and-other-crap/
"I have nothing against a plants-only diet—in whatever form it takes—if that’s what a person want to do and it makes him/her happy. I have no more interest in converting a vegan to omnivory than I do in having a vegan attempt to convert me to swearing off bacon. I am also aware that there is more—much more—to food choices than the nutritional content of the food chosen.
But I’m afraid this is just one of those situations where ideology has been sent to do the work of science. Ideology has its place, and science has its flaws. Truth, facts, and beliefs can be hard to define and harder still to separate. I get all that. But – to quote Neil deGrasse Tyson – “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” Unfortunately, for all those gorilla-wannabees out there, the reverse also applies: Believing in something doesn’t make it true. You can believe all you want that broccoli is a better source of protein than steak, but your ribosomes don’t have access to a keyboard and they might vote differently.
Now, dear readers, if you ever run across some library-card-challenged blogger out there perpetuating Dr. Furhman’s little myth, you have a link to help spill some sunshine on the matter."0 -
I'm reading it from the library right now, although I've been eating this way for about a year.
I've found that cutting out meat and cheese and full-fat dairy worked for me to get my cholesterol down, and I've progressively cut out dairy and eggs, without really trying particularly. I still have fish maybe once a week and meat occasionally, and will probably share a goose egg with the family once this year, but want to get my cholesterol down some more. My approach was to give it a go for a month and see what happened, but I had a visible goal in mind (my cholesterol numbers were truly awful after bingeing on saturated fats after reading the Nina-Whats-Her-Face-Saturated-Fats-Book) and I approached it as an experiment, getting tested both before and after the month. My tastes changed in that month, and I don't miss anything, even though I suppose I didn't really give anything up for good, so adherence hasn't been an issue. In fact, the flavors of what I enjoy are more diverse, spicy and tasty than before, so it just goes to show that if you're motivated it doesn't feel restrictive. You adapt.
Having said all that, mine was a study with an n=1, and so it won't suit or necessarily work for everyone, in a similar way to the recent study which cautioned people who originate from vegetarian-based cultures may struggle with coping with a more meat-oriented diet. Genetics and their interplay with your environment is a huge undiscovered country!0 -
SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage wrote: »Hoo boy
Dr. Fuhrman is one of Dr. Oz's cronies, isn't he?
Yes, he is, and that is why I do not trust him. Why spend money to loose weight, when I have lost 160 pounds for free.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUal2iAeDU4
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