Are you guys for or against childhood vaccines?
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No, not misunderstanding, just re-interpreting. Like I said, it's people who get the shot who are more likely to get sick. Proper hygiene (which means not extreme in either direction) is the best way to prevent the flu. :smokin:
:huh:
How?
Hand-washing with soap and water kills germs. :flowerforyou:
And someone sneezing on you on the subway is solved by handwashing how again?0 -
I am for childhood vaccines because the disease is often more of a risk to life than the vaccine is. I play the numbers game, if the risks are higher from the disease than the prevention, I go with prevention.
For example, my daughter and myself don't get flu shots, why we are often exposed to flu in others, but have not had it to date. My brother gets the flu every year, he should get a flu shot. My mom is over 80 she needs a flu shot.In. To watch the over- priviledged, under-educated morons who think that Jenny McCarthy is someone who should be taken seriously.
Ever notice that the anti-vaxers are of the younger generations, who never had to watch their peers drop like flies, from horrible diseases that vaccines could have prevented?Against. Why? Because they are bullcrap! They almost never do anything.
And this is why me, (and my 23 year old brother) are terrified of the Doctor because EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GO, they give us a shot for no reason whatsoever. I don't care if I sound or act childish, I'm terrified of thin sharp needles that stick into my skin for no reason. It's stupid. They either love seeing me cry in pain, or give me a shot for what they say will help, but will really make me sick.
Don't reproduce.
^^^^All of this basically sums everything I could say on the matter^^^
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I am for childhood vaccines. I believe they save lives. I was vaccinated as a child and so were my kids. I also get a flu vaccine every year.
ETA: Anyone who thinks vaccines are worthless should spend some time with someone who had polio - who survived, that is. There are plenty of older adults who are polio victims. And that's just one of the diseases that vaccines can prevent.
Of course, if more people skip the vaccines, inevitable, these diseases that have largely been eradicated will begin to return in our population.0 -
Hmm. I had the flu shot this year because I am pregnant. I have not been sick yet,. I've never gotten sick any year that I have gotten the shot. I don't consistently get it.
My father was a teacher and got his shot every year because the whole kids are germy thing. He never got sick.
I'm not quite convinced that those who get the shot wind up sick every time.
Oh, that's scary. Best of luck to your baby! I can't believe they do that now.
Can't believe they do what now? GIve the recommended vaccine to a pregnant woman?
I spoke to my doctor who recommended it. I know not all doctors are great and many don't trust theirs, however, I trust my doctor for many good reasons. I have been with her for years and I know she keeps up to date, particularly with pregnancy/labour and delivery. She isn't a drug pusher and has never pushed anything on me. I am not scared at all. But thanks.
Yeah, they used to recommend that children, the elderly, and people who are pregnant or had an illness avoid the flu vaccine.
That ispretty much who they specifically recommend have the vaccine.
Recommended recipients of influenza vaccine for the 2013-2014 seasonFootnote *
People at high risk of influenza-related complications or hospitalization
■Adults (including pregnant women) and children with the following chronic health conditions:
■cardiac or pulmonary disorders (including bronchopulmonary dysplasia, cystic fibrosis and asthma);
■diabetes mellitus and other metabolic diseases;
■cancer, immune compromising conditions (due to underlying disease and/or therapy);
■renal disease;
■anemia or hemoglobinopathy;
■conditions that compromise the management of respiratory secretions and are associated with an increased risk of aspiration;
■morbid obesity (BMI≥40); and
■children and adolescents with conditions treated for long periods with acetylsalicylic acid.
■People of any age who are residents of nursing homes and other chronic care facilities.
■People ≥65 years of age.
■All children 6 to 59 months of age.
■Healthy pregnant women (the risk of influenza-related hospitalization increases with length of gestation, i.e. it is higher in the third than in the second trimester)
■Aboriginal Peoples.
People capable of transmitting influenza to those at high risk
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/13vol39/acs-dcc-4/index-eng.php#rec
And
NACI recommends the inclusion of all pregnant women, at any stage of pregnancy, among high priority recipients of influenza vaccine due to the risk of influenza-associated morbidity in pregnant women,from Footnote 88-to Footnote 92 evidence of adverse neonatal outcomes associated with maternal respiratory hospitalization or influenza during pregnancy, from Footnote 93-to Footnote 96 evidence that vaccination of pregnant women protects their newborns from influenza and influenza-related hospitalization,from Footnote 97-to Footnote 100 and evidence that infants born during influenza season to vaccinated women are less likely to be premature, small for gestational age, and low birth weight.from Footnote 101-to Footnote 104 Support for the hypothesis that infants are protected by transplacental antibody transfer from vaccinated mothers has recently been published.Footnote 105 Omer et al. provides a recent review of the evidence of the benefit of maternal influenza vaccination for pregnant women and their infants.Footnote 106 The safety of influenza vaccine during pregnancy has recently been reviewed.Footnote 107 Active studies of influenza vaccination during pregnancy have not shown evidence of harm to the mother or fetus associated with influenza immunization.Footnote 1080 -
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Scientist owns uneducated internet idiot over vaccines
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this is the best response, I've posted it elsewhere before0 -
Against. Why? Because they are bullcrap! They almost never do anything.
And this is why me, (and my 23 year old brother) are terrified of the Doctor because EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GO, they give us a shot for no reason whatsoever. I don't care if I sound or act childish, I'm terrified of thin sharp needles that stick into my skin for no reason. It's stupid. They either love seeing me cry in pain, or give me a shot for what they say will help, but will really make me sick.
Don't reproduce.
^^^--- THIS! (Bless you!)0 -
Oh, that's scary. Best of luck to your baby! I can't believe they do that now.
That's a messed up thing to say.0 -
I am completely for vaccines. My brothers and I got all of ours and didn't die, parents got theirs and didn't die. And hey! Did I mention that nobody I know that was vaccinated developed autism either? AND no measels or polio or other weird disease outbreaks. :drinker: If and when the day comes that I have kids, they will be vaccinated as well. I see no point in risking a disease that is completly preventable.
As for flu shots, I probably SHOULD get them regularly since I do have a compromised immune system, but I got one a few years ago and had a reaction to it and haven't gotten one since. (No, I'm not one of those peeps that gets sick and claims they got the flu from the flu shot).0 -
When I had my kids I did HOURS and HOURS of research on vaccines. I am definitely pro for some of them (not all) but I also ordered them spaced out. I said no way to chicken pox vax, and HELL no on the Gardisil vax for my daughter. The US has the highest number of autoimmune diseases in the WORLD. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. We also do the most vaccinations, which many believe lead to auto-immune diseases. AND, when the CDC reported that "they can not conclusively claim that vaccines cause autism" was the same thing as saying that can't conclusively claim they DON'T. For me it's not just the autism issue (which I have three friends with autistic kids who ALL claim it happened after a vaccine), it's all of the other illnesses as well. I will tell you that my kids (12 & 8) rarely get sick, are very healthy, have no allergies and thankfully, no autoimmune diseases or intestinal issues (which we all know is the HEART of the immune system). There is no conclusive evidence for either side of the argument (as far as autoimmune / autism goes) so, I take the perspective that my health is my responsibility and I will decide for myself based on my own research.
As someone with a dear nephew who is on the autism spectrum, I cannot tell you how much the Jenny McCarthyisms in this post bother me.
is false logic. Proving a negative is almost impossible in most cases and the type of reasoning in that quote is unsound."they can not conclusively claim that vaccines cause autism" was the same thing as saying that can't conclusively claim they DON'T."
Second point -
Anecdotes do not prove a point.have three friends with autistic kids who ALL claim it happened after a vaccine
Obviously, I don't buy the autism/vaccine connection. Sorry.0 -
No, not misunderstanding, just re-interpreting. Like I said, it's people who get the shot who are more likely to get sick. Proper hygiene (which means not extreme in either direction) is the best way to prevent the flu. :smokin:
:huh:
How?
Hand-washing with soap and water kills germs. :flowerforyou:
And someone sneezing on you on the subway is solved by handwashing how again?
OOH, yuck! That's when hand-sanitizer is needed. But for the record, I don't ride the bus. I do use hand-sanitizer though, for when I am unable to access soap and water.
Maybe it's just luck of the DNA draw, but I have managed to avoid the influenza virus for 40 years so far.0 -
Yes to childhood vaccines. My much elder cousin had polio. She has a sweet heart and handles it beautifully, but, polio is tragic. Ignorance is also tragic.
Yes to flu vaccines.0 -
Hmm. I had the flu shot this year because I am pregnant. I have not been sick yet,. I've never gotten sick any year that I have gotten the shot. I don't consistently get it.
My father was a teacher and got his shot every year because the whole kids are germy thing. He never got sick.
I'm not quite convinced that those who get the shot wind up sick every time.
Oh, that's scary. Best of luck to your baby! I can't believe they do that now.
Can't believe they do what now? GIve the recommended vaccine to a pregnant woman?
I spoke to my doctor who recommended it. I know not all doctors are great and many don't trust theirs, however, I trust my doctor for many good reasons. I have been with her for years and I know she keeps up to date, particularly with pregnancy/labour and delivery. She isn't a drug pusher and has never pushed anything on me. I am not scared at all. But thanks.
Yeah, they used to recommend that children, the elderly, and people who are pregnant or had an illness avoid the flu vaccine.
That ispretty much who they specifically recommend have the vaccine.
Recommended recipients of influenza vaccine for the 2013-2014 seasonFootnote *
People at high risk of influenza-related complications or hospitalization
■Adults (including pregnant women) and children with the following chronic health conditions:
■cardiac or pulmonary disorders (including bronchopulmonary dysplasia, cystic fibrosis and asthma);
■diabetes mellitus and other metabolic diseases;
■cancer, immune compromising conditions (due to underlying disease and/or therapy);
■renal disease;
■anemia or hemoglobinopathy;
■conditions that compromise the management of respiratory secretions and are associated with an increased risk of aspiration;
■morbid obesity (BMI≥40); and
■children and adolescents with conditions treated for long periods with acetylsalicylic acid.
■People of any age who are residents of nursing homes and other chronic care facilities.
■People ≥65 years of age.
■All children 6 to 59 months of age.
■Healthy pregnant women (the risk of influenza-related hospitalization increases with length of gestation, i.e. it is higher in the third than in the second trimester)
■Aboriginal Peoples.
People capable of transmitting influenza to those at high risk
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/13vol39/acs-dcc-4/index-eng.php#rec
And
NACI recommends the inclusion of all pregnant women, at any stage of pregnancy, among high priority recipients of influenza vaccine due to the risk of influenza-associated morbidity in pregnant women,from Footnote 88-to Footnote 92 evidence of adverse neonatal outcomes associated with maternal respiratory hospitalization or influenza during pregnancy, from Footnote 93-to Footnote 96 evidence that vaccination of pregnant women protects their newborns from influenza and influenza-related hospitalization,from Footnote 97-to Footnote 100 and evidence that infants born during influenza season to vaccinated women are less likely to be premature, small for gestational age, and low birth weight.from Footnote 101-to Footnote 104 Support for the hypothesis that infants are protected by transplacental antibody transfer from vaccinated mothers has recently been published.Footnote 105 Omer et al. provides a recent review of the evidence of the benefit of maternal influenza vaccination for pregnant women and their infants.Footnote 106 The safety of influenza vaccine during pregnancy has recently been reviewed.Footnote 107 Active studies of influenza vaccination during pregnancy have not shown evidence of harm to the mother or fetus associated with influenza immunization.Footnote 108
I know, just the opposite of what they used to recommend. It's another thing that makes me go hmmm.....
I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:0 -
Definitely for childhood vaccines. The flu shot, that's a different story. That's the drug companies' best guess as to which strain of the flu might be prevalent during the coming year. Their like the weather forecasters...sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong.
I am an oldster and I remember when the polio vaccine was not prevalent. I knew children who had polio and what their lives were like afterwards. I also remember when the vaccine became an oral vaccine. We went to the school up the street. You had to go with your parents and they signed you in. You went in a single file line and someone gave you a little paper cup with a sugar cube which they had put the pink vaccine on. You immediately popped it into your mouth and handed the cup to a worker who would make certain you had taken it. We had to do that once a month for three months.
I also remember one time when only 8 of us out of the entire school showed up for class one day. The rest of the children had measles. I had the chicken pox and have the scars to prove it. I don't know how many people have ever had the mumps, but I can tell you that they are painful.
When people speak out against vaccines, they need to really educate themselves beyond what they want to read and find people who actually had the diseases. I can tell you that some of them, you never forget.
I could have been in your school
I also had scarlett fever (which I believe now has a vaccine didn't then) nasty stuff, Mumps yep, Chicken Pox (fortunately a mild case that being covered in calamine made livable) Measels. Heck I remember parent deliberately exposing us as kids to Chicken pox because it was far less severe for a child than an adult
and Polio I mentioned in my post as well. Scary that it can be making a comeback at all (or TB) A lot of diseases though to be eradicated or close to it are coming back because of the anti vac crowd0 -
In to read at lunch.
Also FOR. Because polio, measles, mumps, and many other diseases are almost completely eradicated because of vaccines. Because all it takes is one idiot parent who heard that vaccines give a kid autism from Jenny McCarthy (world reknowned blonde & buxom, source of all knowledge) to start a problem. All it takes is one unvaccinated kid and next thing we know, some old disease made new again is reintroduced, stronger than ever, and we have a pandemic on our hands.
Oh and yes because science.0 -
Vaccines make kids go into starvation mode.0
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I am for childhood vaccines. I believe they save lives. I was vaccinated as a child and so were my kids. I also get a flu vaccine every year.
ETA: Anyone who thinks vaccines are worthless should spend some time with someone who had polio - who survived, that is. There are plenty of older adults who are polio victims. And that's just one of the diseases that vaccines can prevent.
Of course, if more people skip the vaccines, inevitable, these diseases that have largely been eradicated will begin to return in our population.
My mom's cousin got polio. People should be educated about it, but there's no reason to avoid the polio vaccine, and every reason to vaccinate against it.0 -
Vaccines make kids go into starvation mode.
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For years we've used vaccines to help reduce some childhood killers, but out spoken celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, have swayed some into thinking that they are responsible for autism. Now pertussis (whooping cough) is back on the rise and has claimed a couple of lives. The correlation with the deaths..................no vaccination for either child.
Are there valid reasons to avoid them? Depends on one's POV or belief. Some catholics don't believe in vaccines because of use of aborted fetal cell lines in making them. Others don't believe that a foreign virus should be introduced into the body.
What we DO KNOW, is that vaccines have prevented millions of childhood outbreaks that used to kill children before they were administered. And I'll take protecting a child from death over personal views of individuals who are against them.
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I am in favor of vaccines, though not at the rate and frequency currently practiced, especially given the lack of evidence that more than doubling the vaccine protocol since I was a child has produced improvement.
A note on the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. In addition to getting one in your third trimester of pregnancy (each one), everyone who hasn't had the vaccine since 2005 should get one, as it was reformulated.0 -
I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:
One of these years we are going to get hit by a strain that has properties like the Spanish flu did, that'll be the year you regret not getting it (I didn't this year but have most years) in the 1918-1919 pandemic approximately 6% of the world population died from the Flu - this year world population will hit 7 billion, so even if the next pandemic only takes out 3 % that will be 210 million dead
I'd rather ensure as much as possible i am one of the survivors thanks0 -
For years we've used vaccines to help reduce some childhood killers, but out spoken celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, have swayed some into thinking that they are responsible for autism. Now pertussis (whooping cough) is back on the rise and has claimed a couple of lives. The correlation with the deaths..................no vaccination for either child.
Are there valid reasons to avoid them? Depends on one's POV or belief. Some catholics don't believe in vaccines because of use of aborted fetal cell lines in making them. Others don't believe that a foreign virus should be introduced into the body.
What we DO KNOW, is that vaccines have prevented millions of childhood outbreaks that used to kill children before they were administered. And I'll take protecting a child from death over personal views of individuals who are against them.
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I am in favor of vaccines, though not at the rate and frequency currently practiced, especially given the lack of evidence that more than doubling the vaccine protocol since I was a child has produced improvement.
A note on the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. In addition to getting one in your third trimester of pregnancy (each one), everyone who hasn't had the vaccine since 2005 should get one, as it was reformulated.
I had whooping cough as a kid, do your kids (and yourselves) a favour and get this one - it's was bad enough that i remember it distinctly 47 years later0 -
I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:
One of these years we are going to get hit by a strain that has properties like the Spanish flu did, that'll be the year you regret not getting it (I didn't this year but have most years) in the 1918-1919 pandemic approximately 6% of the world population died from the Flu - this year world population will hit 7 billion, so even if the next pandemic only takes out 3 % that will be 210 million dead
I'd rather ensure as much as possible i am one of the survivors thanks
You understand that's not how the flu vaccine works, right?0 -
I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:
One of these years we are going to get hit by a strain that has properties like the Spanish flu did, that'll be the year you regret not getting it (I didn't this year but have most years) in the 1918-1919 pandemic approximately 6% of the world population died from the Flu - this year world population will hit 7 billion, so even if the next pandemic only takes out 3 % that will be 210 million dead
I'd rather ensure as much as possible i am one of the survivors thanks
Again....luck of the DNA draw. Lots of folks didn't die during those epidemics. It's not something that can be prevented and spending time worrying over it is time wasted. If I die of the flu, then whoever is left will have to bury me or burn my body. :ohwell:
And considering that the vaccine is chosen by guesses, I seriously doubt that such a serious illness can be protected by it.0 -
I am for, because science.0
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For years we've used vaccines to help reduce some childhood killers, but out spoken celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, have swayed some into thinking that they are responsible for autism. Now pertussis (whooping cough) is back on the rise and has claimed a couple of lives. The correlation with the deaths..................no vaccination for either child.
Are there valid reasons to avoid them? Depends on one's POV or belief. Some catholics don't believe in vaccines because of use of aborted fetal cell lines in making them. Others don't believe that a foreign virus should be introduced into the body.
What we DO KNOW, is that vaccines have prevented millions of childhood outbreaks that used to kill children before they were administered. And I'll take protecting a child from death over personal views of individuals who are against them.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I am in favor of vaccines, though not at the rate and frequency currently practiced, especially given the lack of evidence that more than doubling the vaccine protocol since I was a child has produced improvement.
A note on the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. In addition to getting one in your third trimester of pregnancy (each one), everyone who hasn't had the vaccine since 2005 should get one, as it was reformulated.
I had whooping cough as a kid, do your kids (and yourselves) a favour and get this one - it's was bad enough that i remember it distinctly 47 years later
If you're going to bother to respond to a post, bother to read it first. :noway:0 -
I thought McCarthy's kid turned out not to be Autistic after all. Or was that just a magazine headline? Can't honestly say I follow that saga.0
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I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:
One of these years we are going to get hit by a strain that has properties like the Spanish flu did, that'll be the year you regret not getting it (I didn't this year but have most years) in the 1918-1919 pandemic approximately 6% of the world population died from the Flu - this year world population will hit 7 billion, so even if the next pandemic only takes out 3 % that will be 210 million dead
I'd rather ensure as much as possible i am one of the survivors thanks
Again....luck of the DNA draw. Lots of folks didn't die during those epidemics. It's not something that can be prevented and spending time worrying over it is time wasted. If I die of the flu, then whoever is left will have to bury me or burn my body. :ohwell:
And considering that the vaccine is chosen by guesses, I seriously doubt that such a serious illness can be protected by it.
And I'm not going to trust advice to the mothers of unborn children to you just because you have serious doubts.
They used to burn people alive to ask favor from the Gods for a good crop, now they don't. It makes me go hmmmmm...0 -
I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:
One of these years we are going to get hit by a strain that has properties like the Spanish flu did, that'll be the year you regret not getting it (I didn't this year but have most years) in the 1918-1919 pandemic approximately 6% of the world population died from the Flu - this year world population will hit 7 billion, so even if the next pandemic only takes out 3 % that will be 210 million dead
I'd rather ensure as much as possible i am one of the survivors thanks
You understand that's not how the flu vaccine works, right?
I don't think he does.0 -
The US has the highest number of autoimmune diseases in the WORLD. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. We also do the most vaccinations, which many believe lead to auto-immune diseases.
Who are these "many" of which you speak? Logic fail.....AND, when the CDC reported that "they can not conclusively claim that vaccines cause autism" was the same thing as saying that can't conclusively claim they DON'T.
Logic fail # 2For me it's not just the autism issue (which I have three friends with autistic kids who ALL claim it happened after a vaccine),
Anecdotal......I take the perspective that my health is my responsibility and I will decide for myself based on my own research.
Taking personal responsibility is a good thing just be sure that your research is based on real science not the nonsense pedaled by the tinfoil hat crowd........they can make very convincing sounding arguments until you start looking at the science (or lack thereof) behind their claims. It's also useful to pick apart the logical fallacies that their material is almost invariably full of. (A little OT but one my biggest criticisms of public education is that kids aren't taught to think critically)0 -
I don't trust the flu vaccine. Our family is vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. But the flu? Nope. Not happening. :flowerforyou:
One of these years we are going to get hit by a strain that has properties like the Spanish flu did, that'll be the year you regret not getting it (I didn't this year but have most years) in the 1918-1919 pandemic approximately 6% of the world population died from the Flu - this year world population will hit 7 billion, so even if the next pandemic only takes out 3 % that will be 210 million dead
I'd rather ensure as much as possible i am one of the survivors thanks
Again....luck of the DNA draw. Lots of folks didn't die during those epidemics. It's not something that can be prevented and spending time worrying over it is time wasted. If I die of the flu, then whoever is left will have to bury me or burn my body. :ohwell:
And considering that the vaccine is chosen by guesses, I seriously doubt that such a serious illness can be protected by it.
And I'm not going to trust advice to the mothers of unborn children to you just because you have serious doubts.
They used to burn people alive to ask favor from the Gods for a good crop, now they don't. It makes me go hmmmmm...
Like I said on page one...
I'm Pro-Choice on this issue. :smokin:0
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