Are you guys for or against childhood vaccines?
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I hear people say they got "the flu" all the time. I really don't know, but I think a lot of them really just had a bad cold.
^^ I have no doubt that this is true. Most people do not know the difference at all. I hear all the time how people had the 24 hour flu. I'm like, WHAT? :laugh:
this is absolutely the correct idea. most people do not get the Flu, they get a bad cold or other minor viruses floating around. the Flu is way to nasty to be a one or 2 day thing.
If you say you have/had the flu but it was not diagnosed/treated by a trained medical professional then i reserve judgement.
The Vaccine may well be a best case scenario, but the best guess is a very educated one, and there is a value in large numbers having been vaccinated - it's a herd immunity thing and even if you are susceptible the herd may well have protected you0 -
I never had kids but I'm for childhood vaccines, I've seen the results of polio and measles. My brother almost died from chicken pox when he got it from me. A good friend lost a baby to whooping cough and I wouldn't wish that pain on anyone. I'm also for adult vaccines, including the flu although I agree that falls in a little different category.
The only vaccine that's ever made me ill was the new tetanus booster. And I have to get the flu shot because my mom is severely immune suppressed after a liver transplant, haven't had the flu since she had her surgery in 2009 though so science's educated guess must be pretty good imo.0 -
These topics.. lol.. make me laugh.. instead of asking on here for all of our "Reliable" information... go talk to your doctor or so some of your own research.
I am 100% for ... all my kids have been vaccinated. There are some that I chose not to vaccinate against (eg. Chicken pox.. all my kids had it and were fine and the flu shots.. ).
We should be thankful for all that we have in North america and other richer countries.. there are people in the world who would die for the kind of health care we get.
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I'm pretty sure I've had every vaccine available. I got all three of the Gardasil shots as a teen [from which I never had any issues, btw], & every time I go in to see a gynecologist they are absolutely THRILLED that I actually did it. Clearly a lot of people are against it, which I can tell from an aunt of mine who wouldn't get it for her daughter, and from others in this thread. I have to say, I'm with the people who question your reasoning for that - because if there were common, 'extreme' aftereffects of it, it would NOT be on the market.
Not to mention, it's a vaccine that almost eliminates the chance of dying from one type of cancer.
One type of cancer from one potential type of virus. HPV has what, like 40 strains? I think the vaccine prevents one of those, if I remember correctly.0 -
Why is it crazy to question what is put in your body and your child's body? I think it's crazy not to! Conspiracy means you question things? Well, I think it's the only intelligent thing to do.
Some vaccines are necessary, but others are not. Sure, polio, measles, mumps, etc are good to have on a schedule when the child is older and not susceptible to autism. But nowadays, the childhood vaccination schedule has tripled over the past 30 years, from 23 doses of seven different vaccines in 1980 to 69 doses of 16 different vaccines in 2010. Do your own research, don't blindly follow the masses.
Including the ridiculous Hepatitus B vaccine for newborns that has caused over 1500 deaths. Given to newborns without the parent's consent.
And the flu vaccine- it is ineffective, contains mercury, and has also caused deaths that are covered up because they make BILLIONS off of this vaccine.
How can you say you are FOR vaccines? ANY vaccine? Really?0 -
This awesome video from Penn & Teller basically sums up my position on it (and it's an awesome watch):
http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo 0 -
How can you say you are FOR vaccines?
Because....well....science...
Also, do you care to post any of your research articles? Would love to read.0 -
I'm pretty sure I've had every vaccine available. I got all three of the Gardasil shots as a teen [from which I never had any issues, btw], & every time I go in to see a gynecologist they are absolutely THRILLED that I actually did it. Clearly a lot of people are against it, which I can tell from an aunt of mine who wouldn't get it for her daughter, and from others in this thread. I have to say, I'm with the people who question your reasoning for that - because if there were common, 'extreme' aftereffects of it, it would NOT be on the market.
Not to mention, it's a vaccine that almost eliminates the chance of dying from one type of cancer.
One type of cancer from one potential type of virus. HPV has what, like 40 strains? I think the vaccine prevents one of those, if I remember correctly.
It protects against the strains that are dangerous and increase the risk of cancer. Most of the strains do not.0 -
That was awesome!This awesome video from Penn & Teller basically sums up my position on it (and it's an awesome watch):http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo0 -
How can you say you are FOR vaccines?
Because....well....science...
Also, do you care to post any of your research articles? Would love to read.
Hahaha! THIS^^
Seriously though. Science. There is RESEARCH for a reason. & the protocol's for research are pretty stringent.0 -
Unfortunately it's time wasted that I won't get back.
Do you even reading comprehension?
I have an old 2nd grage grammar book if you would like to borrow it.
What about spelling?0 -
How can you say you are FOR vaccines?
Because....well....science...
Also, do you care to post any of your research articles? Would love to read.
This. Also, I love the agument against flu shots based on 1500 deaths. Considering how many people (millions? Don't know, haven't looked it up) get the shot annually, those are pretty low odds. Anybody have the data on what % of those who receive the flu shot end up with complications?0 -
Why is it crazy to question what is put in your body and your child's body? I think it's crazy not to! Conspiracy means you question things? Well, I think it's the only intelligent thing to do.
Some vaccines are necessary, but others are not. Sure, polio, measles, mumps, etc are good to have on a schedule when the child is older and not susceptible to autism. But nowadays, the childhood vaccination schedule has tripled over the past 30 years, from 23 doses of seven different vaccines in 1980 to 69 doses of 16 different vaccines in 2010. Do your own research, don't blindly follow the masses.
Including the ridiculous Hepatitus B vaccine for newborns that has caused over 1500 deaths. Given to newborns without the parent's consent.
And the flu vaccine- it is ineffective, contains mercury, and has also caused deaths that are covered up because they make BILLIONS off of this vaccine.
How can you say you are FOR vaccines? ANY vaccine? Really?
If you don't want your newborn to have the Hep B vaccine, tell them not to give your newborn the Hep B vaccine. Easy peasy. They're not going to do it if you tell them not to. I delayed my daughter's Hep B vaccine with no issues. Had it done at her ped's office.
ETA: Unless you're a Hep B carrier. In that case I hope they'd give it to them anyway.0 -
How can you say you are FOR vaccines?
Because....well....science...
Also, do you care to post any of your research articles? Would love to read.
Hahaha! THIS^^
Seriously though. Science. There is RESEARCH for a reason. & the protocol's for research are pretty stringent.
A million times THIS!!!!!!!!0 -
How can you say you are FOR vaccines?
Because....well....science...
Also, do you care to post any of your research articles? Would love to read.
This. Also, I love the agument against flu shots based on 1500 deaths. Considering how many people (millions? Don't know, haven't looked it up) get the shot annually, those are pretty low odds. Anybody have the data on what % of those who receive the flu shot end up with complications?
The FDA banned ephedra based on 300 deaths. And aspirin still kills about 2000 annually. It seems arbitrary to me.0 -
YAY! I'm not too late!
IN!0 -
100% for due to...all scientific evidence available at this juncture. Don't even get me started on herd immunity or the Andrew Wakefield business... :explode: I even pestered a friend of mine into getting vaccinations when it was revealed that she and her misinformed mother believed homeopathy would cure all her ills...
(would recommend the book Bad Science by Ben Goldacre to anyone wishing to know more about science misrepresentation in the media)0 -
Some vaccines are necessary, but others are not. Sure, polio, measles, mumps, etc are good to have on a schedule when the child is older and not susceptible to autism.
orHow can you say you are FOR vaccines? ANY vaccine? Really?
which is your stance?0 -
IBTL
And for... Because it's not just my child that needs to be protected from childhood illnesses... and because I understand how vaccines work because I'm not willfully ignorant.0 -
(would recommend the book Bad Science by Ben Goldacre to anyone wishing to know more about science misrepresentation in the media)
I definitely don't need a book to know the media often lies about science (among other things). :smokin:0 -
Why is it crazy to question what is put in your body and your child's body? I think it's crazy not to! Conspiracy means you question things? Well, I think it's the only intelligent thing to do.
Some vaccines are necessary, but others are not. Sure, polio, measles, mumps, etc are good to have on a schedule when the child is older and not susceptible to autism. But nowadays, the childhood vaccination schedule has tripled over the past 30 years, from 23 doses of seven different vaccines in 1980 to 69 doses of 16 different vaccines in 2010. Do your own research, don't blindly follow the masses.
Including the ridiculous Hepatitus B vaccine for newborns that has caused over 1500 deaths. Given to newborns without the parent's consent.
And the flu vaccine- it is ineffective, contains mercury, and has also caused deaths that are covered up because they make BILLIONS off of this vaccine.
How can you say you are FOR vaccines? ANY vaccine? Really?
Some estimates indicate that around 30,000 people die from the seasonal flu annually while close to 200,000 are hospitalized.0 -
(would recommend the book Bad Science by Ben Goldacre to anyone wishing to know more about science misrepresentation in the media)
I definitely don't need a book to know the media often lies about science (among other things). :smokin:
Haha, very true. But it's still a good read. For instance, he demonstrated how easy it is to be seen as a Dr (*cough* Gillian McKeith) by successfully procuring the title for his dead cat...0 -
Pro choice. Personnally, I weigh the risks against each other. Yes for the major childhood ones, no for the "modern" teenager ones... (the one for girls against uturus cancer, and I think there is now one recommended for 1type of meningitis). I asked their opinion, the one opted to get it; fine. The other not; fine too. The pharma industry does not need to be sponsored.0
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it's a big issue where i live.
Netherlands in biblebelt (that's what it's called) And the people of the very strict churches don't vaccinate their children.
Last year we had an epidemic amongst the schools of those children and whole classes of 30 -40 children got sick.
They don't vaccinate because of (fear of) God and that it is against nature
A lot of them are hypocrites in my opinion since they do as they please all week, except for Sundays, then they pretend to be Christians...
Last year in my area we had a measles outbreak due to an ultra conservative group that didn't vaccinate their kids... they do now.
We also see Pertussis (Whooping cough) and TB all the time as well... Yeah, I'm vaccinating myself and my kid... that way IF we get it it won't be near as bad as if we didn't.0 -
(would recommend the book Bad Science by Ben Goldacre to anyone wishing to know more about science misrepresentation in the media)
I definitely don't need a book to know the media often lies about science (among other things). :smokin:
Haha, very true. But it's still a good read. For instance, he demonstrated how easy it is to be seen as a Dr (*cough* Gillian McKeith) by successfully procuring the title for his dead cat...
Might be worth a read to add to my knowledge arsenal... :drinker:0 -
How can you say you are FOR vaccines?
Because....well....science...
Also, do you care to post any of your research articles? Would love to read.
This. Also, I love the agument against flu shots based on 1500 deaths. Considering how many people (millions? Don't know, haven't looked it up) get the shot annually, those are pretty low odds. Anybody have the data on what % of those who receive the flu shot end up with complications?
The FDA banned ephedra based on 300 deaths. And aspirin still kills about 2000 annually. It seems arbitrary to me.
Those numbers seem arbitrary. There's no source, we don't know how many people were likely taking ephedra compared to how many likely take aspirin, and we don't know whether intentional overdose is included in the count.0 -
I've done my research and my daughter has had all of her vaccines, including HPV. Pros outweigh cons. My dad had polio so I'm kind of a fan of disease prevention.
Also I hold no belief that vaccines cause autism.0 -
Pro choice. Personnally, I weigh the risks against each other. Yes for the major childhood ones, no for the "modern" teenager ones... (the one for girls against uturus cancer, and I think there is now one recommended for 1type of meningitis). I asked their opinion, the one opted to get it; fine. The other not; fine too. The pharma industry does not need to be sponsored.
I think you mean cervical cancer.0 -
you made me say it...
Y'all ninjas postin' in a troll topic...0 -
wow- we would hate to prevent meningitis or cancer (have fun explaining that to your 35 daughter who cannot conceive - "honey your teenage self had a choice").Pro choice. Personnally, I weigh the risks against each other. Yes for the major childhood ones, no for the "modern" teenager ones... (the one for girls against uturus cancer, and I think there is now one recommended for 1type of meningitis). I asked their opinion, the one opted to get it; fine. The other not; fine too. The pharma industry does not need to be sponsored.
WOW - I WOULD HATE TO FUND THE COMPANIES LOOKING FOR A CURE FOR CANCER OR ALZHEIMERS. SHAME ON THEM.0
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