Vegan?

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  • live2dream
    live2dream Posts: 821 Member
    Hi there, my kids (now 19 & 16) have been vegetarian since birth, theyve never eaten meat or fish. My husband has been vegan for years and I eat meat.

    Having veggie kids is pretty easy, you just need to put a little more effort in. When they went through the inevitable hating vegetable stage I just pureed veg to make pasta sauce, its amazing what you can hide with a blender!

    Vegan is just one step on but again requires alot of thought and planning, I cook alot of curry, pasta, mexican, thai and roast dinners! I work full time so there are times when we just have junk, my husband loves pizza with no cheese - apparently its quite common at dominos.

    id suggest investing in a couple of good, easy cook books, I love hugh fearnly wittenstalls veg every day, riverford farms veg cookbook and delia smith. I also google alot for inspiration (bbc good food is great). What really got me started was getting a veg box delivered from a farm, you have no idea whats being delivered so have no choice but to find something good to cook.

    good luck, its not an easy option but also is nowhere near as hard as you think.

    cherry x

    Yeah it's not really that hard, vegan eating requires the same amount of effort and planning as an omnivore diet. Most kids I know eat the SAD (Standard American diet) and are malnutritioned and obese and not healthy at all.
  • ok, one more thing from me, here is a GREAT link to some super vegan recipes: http://ohsheglows.com/categories/recipes-2/food-entrees/ enjoy!

    Even if some of you out there are not vegan i highly recommend looking through vegan cookbooks for ideas - you can really find amazing ideas for adding more veggies into your diet. that Tex-mex spaghetti-squash w/ black bean guacamole on the site i linked is MAGIC.
  • MemphisHellFire
    MemphisHellFire Posts: 38 Member
    its great to hear your looking at a plant based diet, its surprising easy and affordable, iv been vegan 6 year and never looked back! if your struggling with the switch from meat to no meat there are plenty of vegan 'meats' available in health food shops and you can pretty much get an alternative for everything! and there's nothing wrong with children eating a vegan diet, i know plenty! don't understand where people get these ideas!?
  • RaeLB
    RaeLB Posts: 1,338 Member


    Yes, I was making that point. Humans are animals. Human byproducts are animal byproducts so by definition a baby that is breastfeeding is not vegan. This refers back to my point that animal based proteins have a better amino acid profile for muscle synthesis and contain more of the essential amino acids that a growing baby needs. Human breast milk falls into this category.

    Actually, having a diet with a variety of grains, legumes, and vegetables can provide all of the essential amino acids our bodies require.

    The amount of grains, legumes, and vegetables that would be required to equal the essential amino acid intake required for a baby would be absurd, especially when the concentration of those amino acids is very high in breast milk for the reason that a growing baby SHOULD be drinking breast milk. Also, a baby can only consume so much volume in their stomach in a given day. I'm not debating that it's possible to get the required amino acids from non animal sources for an adult because if you eat enough you can get there but it's a completely different story for a baby.

    Yeah, I'm definitely pro-breastfeeding (if possible) for all babies. I know plenty of people who went straight from being breastfed to 100% plant-based diets and they turned out just fine :smile:
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,159 Member
    its great to hear your looking at a plant based diet, its surprising easy and affordable, iv been vegan 6 year and never looked back! if your struggling with the switch from meat to no meat there are plenty of vegan 'meats' available in health food shops and you can pretty much get an alternative for everything! and there's nothing wrong with children eating a vegan diet, i know plenty! don't understand where people get these ideas!?

    Science...
  • Rocbola
    Rocbola Posts: 2,009 Member
    Congratulations on your decision. You may look back someday at this decision as being one of the best you have ever made.

    First piece of advice: Don't let the naysayers get you down. There will be TONS of nutritionally ignorant people who will try to change your mind, ESPECIALLY ON THIS SITE. There are vegan groups on this site that are great for you.

    Second piece of advice: Educate yourself. Gary Yourofsky's speech is truly one of the greatest speeches ever, but it's only the beginning. There are tons of things you need to learn to do well nutritionally. Please check out the following doctors/nutritionists:
    T.Colin Campbell
    Alan Goldhamer
    John McDougall
    Joel Fuhrman
    Doug Lisle
    Neal Barnard
    Caldwell Esselstyn
    Jeff Novick
    Michael Klaper

    Third piece of advice: Avoid the pitfalls of being vegan! Remember that vegan does not always mean healthy. The key to thriving on a vegan diet is to seek out the high quality whole plant foods, like local fruits and vegetables. You will have to learn new recipes to make it interesting. Try a new recipe every week, and keep your favorites on your regular rotation.

    Enjoy! You just made a fantastic decision!
  • awtume9
    awtume9 Posts: 423 Member
    I love Freelee the banana girl! Her videos are great and she hits the nail on the head with a lot of topics. If I were you I'd try going vegan the conventional way before switching to raw or 80/20 or anything like that. Vegan is tough as it is. I was vegan for 3 years. It didn't work for me, but that doesn't mean it won't work for you. Obviously it's working for Freelee! Just have to find what works for you! And don't listen to the haters- hater gonna hate! I say give it a try and find out for yourself :wink: LUCK!

    I have no opinion either way on veganism but I checked out Freelee's website... reading the FAQs was extremely painful.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,159 Member
    Congratulations on your decision. You may look back someday at this decision as being one of the best you have ever made.

    First piece of advice: Don't let the naysayers get you down. There will be TONS of nutritionally ignorant people who will try to change your mind, ESPECIALLY ON THIS SITE. There are vegan groups on this site that are great for you.

    Second piece of advice: Educate yourself. Gary Yourofsky's speech is truly one of the greatest speeches ever, but it's only the beginning. There are tons of things you need to learn to do well nutritionally. Please check out the following doctors/nutritionists:
    T.Colin Campbell
    Alan Goldhamer
    John McDougall
    Joel Fuhrman
    Doug Lisle
    Neal Barnard
    Caldwell Esselstyn
    Jeff Novick
    Michael Klaper

    Third piece of advice: Avoid the pitfalls of being vegan! Remember that vegan does not always mean healthy. The key to thriving on a vegan diet is to seek out the high quality whole plant foods, like local fruits and vegetables. You will have to learn new recipes to make it interesting. Try a new recipe every week, and keep your favorites on your regular rotation.

    Enjoy! You just made a fantastic decision!

    I think we're in agreement on one point...
  • its great to hear your looking at a plant based diet, its surprising easy and affordable, iv been vegan 6 year and never looked back! if your struggling with the switch from meat to no meat there are plenty of vegan 'meats' available in health food shops and you can pretty much get an alternative for everything! and there's nothing wrong with children eating a vegan diet, i know plenty! don't understand where people get these ideas!?

    Science...

    you've been trolling this thread like crazy, please link to this scientific and credible set of studies you are refering to. RaeLB posted the ADA link, where is *your* backup for your naysaying exactly?
  • RaeLB
    RaeLB Posts: 1,338 Member
    its great to hear your looking at a plant based diet, its surprising easy and affordable, iv been vegan 6 year and never looked back! if your struggling with the switch from meat to no meat there are plenty of vegan 'meats' available in health food shops and you can pretty much get an alternative for everything! and there's nothing wrong with children eating a vegan diet, i know plenty! don't understand where people get these ideas!?

    Science...

    Read some of the links I posted.
  • KoopaSix
    KoopaSix Posts: 252 Member
    I always base my life changing decisions on youtube videos and netflix documentaries. It is true that one is born every minute........

    Me too! Youtube is the worlds leader in nutritional advice.
  • JojoEffeckt164
    JojoEffeckt164 Posts: 146 Member
    I didn´t like meat as a child as well... Now I like it on ocassion. So many kids don´t like meat when they are young.

    I don´t belive in the vegan lifestyle so I cannot recomment anything to you. For me it´s an unnatural diet for human kind. However being vegan became pretty "in" thru the last years. And I think what is true is that if you choose out of two extremes:

    - eating meat/animal products everyday (like some people in western societies do)
    - eating no meat/animal products at all

    the second option might be rather healthy. But in general 1 or 2 times meat a week is nothing bad for you... Of course you need to make sure where you get your meat from. The industrial production is no good meat source....

    And a vegan diet doesn´t give you all the B-vitamins you need. You will have to take nutrition pills for that. Eating more raw fruit and veggies makes sense. but all extremes are usually not good.

    Just my 5 cents
  • sfbaumgarten
    sfbaumgarten Posts: 912 Member
    My baby has been vegan since conception and is 19 months now....he is so far perfect in every way health wise. I've been vegan for almost 7 years.

    That said, I am very careful with how we eat, AND he is still breastfed, so he is getting a lot of nutrients from me. Really he doesn't eat a lot of food anyways.

    I will have to say that most people get enough protein, that it's rarely an issue, you just need to make sure your diet is varied, we eat a lot of beans, and leafy greens.

    And I've based my life changing decisions off of research. :) Keep researching.

    How can your baby be vegan if you're breastfeeding him? Kind of a contradiction. Sounds to me like he's getting most of his diet from animal based sources...namely you.

    Ha! I was wondering the same thing... :huh:

    Just a point, if momma isn't drinking cow's milk then baby is not getting any lactose. So if momma is vegan, essentially baby is vegan too. Unless you are making the point that momma is an animal so breastmilk is an animal byproduct...?

    And before anyone blasts this post.... I have a background in nutrition, child development, and I am a former human milk tech for a local hospital. I did my homework on this one :)

    Yes, making the point that momma is an animal. Not here to bash, that's just what immediately crossed my mind when she mentioned breastfeeding. I guess I'd just never given it any thought before... It certainly does seem contradictory in a way.
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,931 Member
    I always wonder what would have happened if humans never started eating meat, would we still be small brained primate-like creatures
  • thatpixichick
    thatpixichick Posts: 77 Member
    On the breastfeeding point.. No animals are exploited in order for the baby to drink milk from it's own mother, it's natural for a species to drink the milk of it's parent while in infancy. It isn't natural to artificially impregnate other species and steal the milk intended for their baby :smile:

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  • RaeLB
    RaeLB Posts: 1,338 Member
    To all the bros in here: I get it, you're responding to the rampant pseudoscience in the "health vegan" movement - those people piss me off too! Just like all the annoying diet-related myths out there that have nothing to do with veganism: 8 glasses of water, breakfast speeds up your metabolism, carbs are the devil! We see the same myths in these forums day after day.

    However, there is plenty of science-based evidence in support of plant diets. I have posted a couple but there are TONS that are readily available if you just do the research.




    Furthermore, I will continue to remind people that the most important part of veganism is about the animals.

    Mercy For Animals is one of the major undercover investigators in factory farms. You can see their investigations in the link provide, including undercover footage.

    ****Trigger Warning: graphic violence**** please do not click on the following link without considering your self-care.
    The following link contains images including:

    -sick and injured cows suffering from open wounds and infections, and workers dragging cows by their fragile legs and necks using chains attached to a tractor

    -sadistic animal abuse, including workers throwing a bowling ball at a pig's head, and kicking, throwing, hitting, body slamming, and otherwise torturing pigs

    -slamming conscious piglets headfirst against the ground, ripping off their tails and testicles without painkillers, hitting, throwing, and dropping pigs and piglets, and confining pregnant pigs in filthy, fly-infested gestation crates

    -inside tiny wire battery cages, workers smashing in the heads of baby birds and tossing live chicks into trash bags to suffocate, and dead hens left to rot in cages with live birds still laying eggs

    http://www.mercyforanimals.org/investigations.aspx
  • MapleFlavouredMaiden
    MapleFlavouredMaiden Posts: 595 Member
    Absolutely unhealthy in my opinion. I went veg for a while before I found better sustainable and more healthful options for animal products/meat. I would never go back. My family's health suffered majorly. It's just not a balanced diet and it's not at all more compassionate then getting your meat from a good source.

    Please don't use Youtube as a way to do "research". It's just not a proper place for that sort of huge decision. Want to change your hair colour... sure. Your diet? Not so much.
  • RaeLB
    RaeLB Posts: 1,338 Member
    Alright, I'm out for the day peeps!

    If anyone cares to continue a conversation with me feel free to send me a private message. I don't bite, I promise :flowerforyou:
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member

    HOWEVER, A really good reason to go vegan is for the love of animals.


    I love animals just fine and I eat meat. And not in the snarky "I love to eat them" kind of way. This must mean I'm a liar.

    Also, don't feed your child vegan. Go vegetarian with your child if you must. Human children need saturated fat and cholesterol to have proper brain development. You don't have to eat meat to do that but you do need animal products for cholesterol.
  • MapleFlavouredMaiden
    MapleFlavouredMaiden Posts: 595 Member
    On the breastfeeding point.. No animals are exploited in order for the baby to drink milk from it's own mother, it's natural for a species to drink the milk of it's parent while in infancy. It isn't natural to artificially impregnate other species and steal the milk intended for their baby :smile:

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    This is mental. It is incredibly natural. We've been doing it as a species for hundreds of thousands of years.