IIFYM Not a diet?
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As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.0 -
Which actually isn't diet related. Most reports state that western world are deficient due to lack of sunshine exposure.. most of us in the western world are heavily Vitamin D deficient for one.
Anyway it's semantics in reality. Do what works for you eat low carb, eat paleo, eat vegan eat WYMCA if you want. I just wish people would stop trying to mystify diet and nutrition with all this smoke and mirrors stuff. Use some common sense and eat a varied diet and you'll be fine use a thing that seems to be lacking in the world 'Common sense' and stop preaching to people about how much better the way you do it is compared to others. We are individuals with different lifestyles different cultural and geographic variables. Different energy expenditures.
This thread in reality is an argument for arguments sake
end of the day you're right and i agree 100%0 -
But IIFYM markets itself as a fat loss plan.
I didn't realize IIFYM had a marketing department.
It, of course, doesn't. IIFYM isn't a trademark. It's not a corporate-backed idea. It's a grassroots movement. It's not "marketed" as anything except by its adherents. And by its adherents, it is "marketed" as a strategy for any and every nutrition goal.
The idea that IIFYM isn't "marketed" as a (or even the) way to bulk is laughably ignorant, because it very much is.
The "About" page from IIFYM.com
"About IIFYM
Counting Macros
My name is Anthony Collova, and I am the administrator of IIFYM.com
(full disclosure, I also own the healthy oatmeal company, www.myoatmeal.com)
With so much hype and confusion created around dieting, I wanted to launch a website that promoted a nutrition plan that is not only easy to comprehend, but easy to implement at well.
Something based on science, and intuition, rather than hyperbole and hope.
There are thousands of so called diet experts out there and just as many doctors and gurus that provide horrible information on fat loss to their clients and public. For every expert there are even more books, programs and scams promoting false promises, exaggerated claims, and utter crap, all designed to confuse you and make them money.
Fad diet experts will have you believe that all you have to do is cut out carbs, or sugar or eat some amazing combination of super foods, and somehow the pounds will start melting off.
How many times have you seen this stuff on the internet:
“4 foods you should never eat!!”
“Use this one weird trick to destroy belly fat”
“1 unique spice that kills hunger”
“Try this weird trick to lose weight”
All horse****…
Let me lay it out this way; If you are like 99% of the disease free American population:
-You are not fat because of your thyroid, or your genetics
-You are not fat because you don’t exercise or you lack will power
-You are not fat because of your blood sugar or your sweet tooth
-And you are most certainly not fat because you eat carbs, fat, dairy, gluten, sugar, red meat, fast food or candy!
In fact, your food choices have almost NOTHING do with your body weight or fat mass.
If you are fat, it is because you eat more calories than your body can use!
End of story!
Look at it like this:
Food is fuel for your body, just like gasoline is fuel for your car.
If you buy too much gasoline day after day, eventually you will end up with a bunch of extra stored up gas.
Your body is the same way. If you eat too many calories, your body will save them up as fuel for a later date. Body Fat!
So your options become quite simple. Either stop pumping so much gas and eating so much food, (which forces your body to use up the stored fuel as energy) or start driving farther or faster every day, and use up more fuel/energy/gas/fat/calories that way.
Either way you end up forcing your body to use your stored fat as fuel and end up losing weight.
In order to do this successfully, you have to know how much fuel your body needs, and then you have to monitor how much you take in. The same reason your car has a gas gauge, and the pump has a meter on it.
Your body however does not have a gauge or a meter so it is up to you, to keep track of these things. Don’t worry, it only take a few minutes to learn and a few minutes each day to do.
To get started, check out the IIFYM calculator on this page: IIFYM Calculator
I hope you enjoy this site, and take the time to learn exactly how to implement the IIFYM approach to fat loss. It really is the easiest thing you will ever do.
ANT"
That site is not the source of IIFYM, nor it is an authority or owner of the idea or term. It's just the first guy who thought to register the domain name.0 -
where do most diets say that?
Also, source please for the Vit D deficiency. I have seen some literature (which I admit I cannot quote as I cannot recall the exact source) that indicates that the Vit D deficiency claims we are seeing are over-exaggerated.
so clearly you don't need to see the source since the Vit D deficiency claims are well known to you?
and to your first question - that's my point. IIFYM doesn't say that, and so when people hear "eat whatever you want and fit your macros" the majority don't immediately go to "oh well i guess I should also get in my 4 servings of veggies too!" They're looking for excuses NOT to eat the things they don't want to eat, and excuses TO eat the things they do. That's the inherent problem with the novice eater jumping into IIFYM. They don't do it the right way.
Stop trying to play to avoid the request - the claims are not from reputable sources - they are just people making comments about it - I have not seen studies but could have missed them.
Do you have a source or not?.
Also, big assumptions you are making there as to people's intent.
one lil google search will link you to dozens of articles, studies, and journal publications. you think it's interesting the search box is right up there ^0 -
I've never heard anyone say that IIFYM is a free pass to eat whatever you want. Didn't have time to watch the video.
Anyone who actually tries hitting their macros learns that you have to eat a pretty healthy diet, you just can have the occaisonal treat if there's room for it.
But everyone I've seen who DOESN'T do IIFYM likes to act like it's nothing but ice cream and cheeseburgers. Because thinking is hard.
In for ice cream, because it fits in my macros.0 -
where do most diets say that?
Also, source please for the Vit D deficiency. I have seen some literature (which I admit I cannot quote as I cannot recall the exact source) that indicates that the Vit D deficiency claims we are seeing are over-exaggerated.
so clearly you don't need to see the source since the Vit D deficiency claims are well known to you?
and to your first question - that's my point. IIFYM doesn't say that, and so when people hear "eat whatever you want and fit your macros" the majority don't immediately go to "oh well i guess I should also get in my 4 servings of veggies too!" They're looking for excuses NOT to eat the things they don't want to eat, and excuses TO eat the things they do. That's the inherent problem with the novice eater jumping into IIFYM. They don't do it the right way.
Stop trying to play to avoid the request - the claims are not from reputable sources - they are just people making comments about it - I have not seen studies but could have missed them.
Do you have a source or not?.
Also, big assumptions you are making there as to people's intent.
one lil google search will link you to dozens of articles, studies, and journal publications. you think it's interesting the search box is right up there ^
lol..nice try.
You have been on here long enough to know that the onus is on you.
However, it is a moot point as you just admitted that you were incorrect above.0 -
most of us in the western world are heavily Vitamin D deficient for one.
Because sunscreen has nothing to do with that one...0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!0 -
I've never heard anyone say that IIFYM is a free pass to eat whatever you want. Didn't have time to watch the video.
^this
Well, sort of. I've heard people say that those who follow IIFYM eat nothing but "junk"/fast food, but those are people who don't understand how IIFYM works.0 -
I've never heard anyone say that IIFYM is a free pass to eat whatever you want. Didn't have time to watch the video.
many people do.
It's a free pass to eat any particular food with the caveat that you make it fit your goals.
It's not a free pass to eat any food in any quantity at any time.
true. your macro-nutrient goals. ignoring your micros (for many people).
I don't ignore ALL of my micros. I do find it necessary to watch my electrolytes very closely.
The application of IIFYM is a personal thing. Just because "micronutrient" isn't referred to in the title, does not mean that they are completely ignored. It just depends on what is most relevant for the individual.
but they're not emphasized, which means you can adhere to IIFYM and still be malnourished on the micro nutrient level.
Which is not a big deal because micros are severely overrated. Actual micronutrient deficiency is rather rare, and virtually nonexistent among people hitting the recommended 4+ servings of fruits and vegetables per day absent a serious digestive disorder.
and this is exactly my point
micronutrient deficiency is NOT rare. most of us in the western world are heavily Vitamin D deficient for one.
also, where in IIFYM does it say you're required 4+ servings of fruit/veggies/day?
where do most diets say that?
Also, source please for the Vit D deficiency. I have seen some literature (which I admit I cannot quote as I cannot recall the exact source) that indicates that the Vit D deficiency claims we are seeing are over-exaggerated.
And aren't only diet but also activity related...0 -
most of us in the western world are heavily Vitamin D deficient for one.
Because sunscreen has nothing to do with that one...
of course. just one example. I could've mentioned B12, K, Magnesium - among others.0 -
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As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.0 -
The premise of IIFYM is simple enough and I even provided a full cut and paste from the ETP group to break it down into very understandable terms. Now this thread just has me laughing...not unlike a majority of threads.
Over thinking, under thinking, lack of sources, citing poor sources, people and comments taken out of context etc
Hell even comments over the meaning and misuse of the word diet Lol
MFP you so funny!
hey...
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Coining a buzzword does not give someone permanent total control of the meaning of a word. Meaning comes from usage. (That would be why 'diet' and so many other words have multiple meanings.)Yes please I wish to be enlightened - please direct me to the source!
There is no one source. IIFYM does not come from IIFYM.com any more than organic farming comes from organic.org. It's a grassroots movement. It's a philosophy that has grown organically from the cumulative practices and research of many, many people over the years.
So consider yourself educated: IIFYM is not a diet, and it is not about restricting calories. It is about setting nutrient goals particular to your goals, whether that is weight loss, weight maintenance, or weight gain.
Someone must have come up with the buzz word IIFYM and term 'If It Fits Your Macros' - surely it didn't just happen.
Language: the ultimate democracy.0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?
go for it. it's no biggie. it's one slice of cake - it will have zero effect on your weight loss. enjoy it and have fun at the party. :happy:0 -
I've never heard anyone say that IIFYM is a free pass to eat whatever you want. Didn't have time to watch the video.
I see it from "clean" folks around these forums. But then, I've never heard people outside of MFP talk about IIFYM or "clean eating."
you are lucky then...I have to endure the "clean eating" talk everytime someone sees me eating a cookie or a chocolate bar...
I get so sick of it to be honest...
"you can't eat that, you are getting healhty or are on a diet or are lifting or it's processed it make you fat..."
Try not to let their negativity get you down. I eat chocolate and cookies all the time and It hasnt affected my diet. The occasional treat is part of what makes the change to a healthy lifestyle a success.0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?
go for it. it's no biggie. it's one slice of cake - it will have zero effect on your weight loss. enjoy it and have fun at the party. :happy:
Cool.
So how exactly is that different than suggesting someone plan their meals around that piece of cake?
And what if someone wanted a piece of cake every day?0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?
go for it. it's no biggie. it's one slice of cake - it will have zero effect on your weight loss. enjoy it and have fun at the party. :happy:
Cool.
So how exactly is that different than suggesting someone plan their meals around that piece of cake?
And what if someone wanted a piece of cake every day?
your way sounds like way more work tbh.0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?
go for it. it's no biggie. it's one slice of cake - it will have zero effect on your weight loss. enjoy it and have fun at the party. :happy:
Cool.
So how exactly is that different than suggesting someone plan their meals around that piece of cake?
And what if someone wanted a piece of cake every day?
your way sounds like way more work tbh.
So what if someone wants cake every day? Is that bad? Should they not do it? Is it OK to plan your entire day around having that piece of cake every day?0 -
Coining a buzzword does not give someone permanent total control of the meaning of a word. Meaning comes from usage. (That would be why 'diet' and so many other words have multiple meanings.)Yes please I wish to be enlightened - please direct me to the source!
There is no one source. IIFYM does not come from IIFYM.com any more than organic farming comes from organic.org. It's a grassroots movement. It's a philosophy that has grown organically from the cumulative practices and research of many, many people over the years.
So consider yourself educated: IIFYM is not a diet, and it is not about restricting calories. It is about setting nutrient goals particular to your goals, whether that is weight loss, weight maintenance, or weight gain.
Someone must have come up with the buzz word IIFYM and term 'If It Fits Your Macros' - surely it didn't just happen.
Language: the ultimate democracy.
Thanks, agreed - my definition of IIFYM will be flexible dieting (I think that's the term Layne Norton uses) and I think it sums it up quite well.0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?
go for it. it's no biggie. it's one slice of cake - it will have zero effect on your weight loss. enjoy it and have fun at the party. :happy:
Cool.
So how exactly is that different than suggesting someone plan their meals around that piece of cake?
And what if someone wanted a piece of cake every day?
your way sounds like way more work tbh.
Lol, wut?0 -
Coining a buzzword does not give someone permanent total control of the meaning of a word. Meaning comes from usage. (That would be why 'diet' and so many other words have multiple meanings.)Yes please I wish to be enlightened - please direct me to the source!
There is no one source. IIFYM does not come from IIFYM.com any more than organic farming comes from organic.org. It's a grassroots movement. It's a philosophy that has grown organically from the cumulative practices and research of many, many people over the years.
So consider yourself educated: IIFYM is not a diet, and it is not about restricting calories. It is about setting nutrient goals particular to your goals, whether that is weight loss, weight maintenance, or weight gain.
Someone must have come up with the buzz word IIFYM and term 'If It Fits Your Macros' - surely it didn't just happen.
Language: the ultimate democracy.
Thanks, agreed - my definition of IIFYM will be flexible dieting (I think that's the term Layne Norton uses) and I think it sums it up quite well.
So how's that Paleo working out for you?0 -
daaaamn you beat me to it. yes. if chocolate cake is your vice, and you desperately need to have it every day, and if having it every day will help you eat whole foods and stay on track, then by all means chow down.
for the average person looking to lose weight it's about sustainability to reach a healthier place than they're currently at.
my philosophy has always been that. I just ALSO feel that once you reach a certain point, your health/weight/body fat % will stall unless you get more meticulous. Most people aren't interested in moving beyond that plateau, and they don't need to be. I'm talking about athletic, extremely active people looking to perform at an (dare I say it) elite level.
I'm not there yet, and I want to be.0 -
As it was specified earlier, you can not make indulgent foods fit your macros if you do not eat at 80% of your diet in whole foods. That is going to be at least 4 servings a fruit and veggie a day.
Do you really need it all spelled out for you what you can and cannot eat? Can't you use your own best judgment about your own nutrition?
I certainly can. Most on this board CAN'T... which is why they're here.
But they learn to over time... and they don't learn that by being afraid of food. They learn how to use good judgment about their diet by educating themselves about nutrition, and practicing moderation.
Your "clean-eating" mantra generates fear and causes people to distance themselves from food rather than learning about it.
I think it has been established time and time again, on the forums, and particularly with you, that "clean-eaters" and IIFYM'ers are essentially eating by a similar method (80% whole foods/20% processed or "dirty"). IIFYM'ers just simply take a different approach with consideration to the psychological component, or the relationship with food.
We don't fear eating food... we just make certain it doesn't get out of line!
Time and time again you guys paint me with your own brush - not mine. I repeatedly state that you shouldn't cut out foods you enjoy. I don't advocate strict clean eating. You're manipulating just as much as you think I am.
Oh okay, sure.
So if a poster came here and started a thread because they really wanted to eat a piece of cake at a kid's birthday party, your response would be what exactly?
go for it. it's no biggie. it's one slice of cake - it will have zero effect on your weight loss. enjoy it and have fun at the party. :happy:
Cool.
So how exactly is that different than suggesting someone plan their meals around that piece of cake?
And what if someone wanted a piece of cake every day?
your way sounds like way more work tbh.
Maybe it is more work (though it is relatively easier than you think), but if an individual wanted to do that, then what exactly is wrong with planning their meals to allow for indulgences? Honestly, how is that any different than the clean-eating 80/20 method that you are referring to? And futhermore, you claim IIFYM'ers don't pay attention to their micronutrients, but how can that be if they are putting so much more effort (than you) into planning nutritious meals for the day to offset one less-than nutritious, calorie-dense meal?0 -
Coining a buzzword does not give someone permanent total control of the meaning of a word. Meaning comes from usage. (That would be why 'diet' and so many other words have multiple meanings.)Yes please I wish to be enlightened - please direct me to the source!
There is no one source. IIFYM does not come from IIFYM.com any more than organic farming comes from organic.org. It's a grassroots movement. It's a philosophy that has grown organically from the cumulative practices and research of many, many people over the years.
So consider yourself educated: IIFYM is not a diet, and it is not about restricting calories. It is about setting nutrient goals particular to your goals, whether that is weight loss, weight maintenance, or weight gain.
Someone must have come up with the buzz word IIFYM and term 'If It Fits Your Macros' - surely it didn't just happen.
Language: the ultimate democracy.
Thanks, agreed - my definition of IIFYM will be flexible dieting (I think that's the term Layne Norton uses) and I think it sums it up quite well.
So how's that Paleo working out for you?
Great thanks lost over 2 stone and have constant energy (and it's primal by the way). But I'm not here to compare diets I'm here to get more info on IIFYM - I think it is permitted to learn stuff on MFP.0 -
daaaamn you beat me to it. yes. if chocolate cake is your vice, and you desperately need to have it every day, and if having it every day will help you eat whole foods and stay on track, then by all means chow down.
for the average person looking to lose weight it's about sustainability to reach a healthier place than they're currently at.
my philosophy has always been that. I just ALSO feel that once you reach a certain point, your health/weight/body fat % will stall unless you get more meticulous. Most people aren't interested in moving beyond that plateau, and they don't need to be. I'm talking about athletic, extremely active people looking to perform at an (dare I say it) elite level.
I'm not there yet, and I want to be.
Yes, I do find that to be absolutely true. I'm not there yet myself either.
My point is that the two different approaches to nutrition and diet are exactly the same, but are called different things for different reasons.0 -
daaaamn you beat me to it. yes. if chocolate cake is your vice, and you desperately need to have it every day, and if having it every day will help you eat whole foods and stay on track, then by all means chow down.
for the average person looking to lose weight it's about sustainability to reach a healthier place than they're currently at.
my philosophy has always been that. I just ALSO feel that once you reach a certain point, your health/weight/body fat % will stall unless you get more meticulous. Most people aren't interested in moving beyond that plateau, and they don't need to be. I'm talking about athletic, extremely active people looking to perform at an (dare I say it) elite level.
I'm not there yet, and I want to be.
I want chocolate everyday and add it to my diary when I prelog before I log my lunch and dinner....
I have yet to stall...ever...5lbs from maintenance...potentially 11lbs from BF% goals...
Not sure I follow your logic...0 -
Maybe it is more work (though it is relatively easier than you think), but if an individual wanted to do that, then what exactly is wrong with planning their meals to allow for indulgences? Honestly, how is that any different than the clean-eating 80/20 method that you are referring to? And futhermore, you claim IIFYM'ers don't pay attention to their micronutrients, but how can that be if they are putting so much more effort (than you) into planning nutritious meals for the day to offset one less-than nutritious, calorie-dense meal?
sustainability comes down to how easy something is to maintain. if your method is easy for you then awesome. do it. my method is easy for me because it's not about planning ahead - it's about logging after the fact, seeing where things stack up so far for the day, and making my food choices based on that information in the moment. Many of us have also gotten to the point where we know instinctively how many calories are in XYZ just from looking at the size/portion/ingredients. But if you haven't reached that point, eating primarily whole foods makes the job a helluva lot easier than dealing with processed foods that can contain lord knows how many or few calories based on the millions of ingredients therein.0
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