IIFYM Not a diet?
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daaaamn you beat me to it. yes. if chocolate cake is your vice, and you desperately need to have it every day, and if having it every day will help you eat whole foods and stay on track, then by all means chow down.
for the average person looking to lose weight it's about sustainability to reach a healthier place than they're currently at.
my philosophy has always been that. I just ALSO feel that once you reach a certain point, your health/weight/body fat % will stall unless you get more meticulous. Most people aren't interested in moving beyond that plateau, and they don't need to be. I'm talking about athletic, extremely active people looking to perform at an (dare I say it) elite level.
I'm not there yet, and I want to be.
Yes, I do find that to be absolutely true. I'm not there yet myself either.
My point is that the two different approaches to nutrition and diet are exactly the same, but are called different things for different reasons.
What's your timeframe on becoming elite?
Yes, I am quite impatient. I am starting from morbidly obese, and I should point out that my goals aren't to be "elite" as that term has been used in this thread.
But I'm also having hormone issues that are outside the norm of the general public. So, obtaining my goals are going to require more rigidity on my part, a practice I'm not very good at.
So you're not there, ever
You're making a point about something you're not actually aiming for using personal experience, which makes it invalid.
For an *IIFYM* or a *Clean Eating* style diet to be successful, certain basic criteria must be met in either case. That does not make them the same.
No I misunderstood "elite" as it was initially described.
And no, I never said the two were the same. I said that they were similar, but the approach to it was different. And Coach agreed with me.
I'm not sure why you chose to jump in this conversation... but I agreed with Reddy and completely misinterpretted what I was agreeing with (which happens often with him).
So, since you needed to call out my particular post. Please allow me to retract the previous statement in this quote.
LOLWUT?
What did you think it meant? Whipped cream frosting?0 -
daaaamn you beat me to it. yes. if chocolate cake is your vice, and you desperately need to have it every day, and if having it every day will help you eat whole foods and stay on track, then by all means chow down.
for the average person looking to lose weight it's about sustainability to reach a healthier place than they're currently at.
my philosophy has always been that. I just ALSO feel that once you reach a certain point, your health/weight/body fat % will stall unless you get more meticulous. Most people aren't interested in moving beyond that plateau, and they don't need to be. I'm talking about athletic, extremely active people looking to perform at an (dare I say it) elite level.
I'm not there yet, and I want to be.
Yes, I do find that to be absolutely true. I'm not there yet myself either.
My point is that the two different approaches to nutrition and diet are exactly the same, but are called different things for different reasons.
What's your timeframe on becoming elite?
Yes, I am quite impatient. I am starting from morbidly obese, and I should point out that my goals aren't to be "elite" as that term has been used in this thread.
But I'm also having hormone issues that are outside the norm of the general public. So, obtaining my goals are going to require more rigidity on my part, a practice I'm not very good at.
So you're not there, ever
You're making a point about something you're not actually aiming for using personal experience, which makes it invalid.
For an *IIFYM* or a *Clean Eating* style diet to be successful, certain basic criteria must be met in either case. That does not make them the same.
No I misunderstood "elite" as it was initially described.
And no, I never said the two were the same. I said that they were similar, but the approach to it was different. And Coach agreed with me.
I'm not sure why you chose to jump in this conversation... but I agreed with Reddy and completely misinterpretted what I was agreeing with (which happens often with him).
So, since you needed to call out my particular post. Please allow me to retract the previous statement in this quote.
Alright, I'll leave it at that then.0 -
I don't know anybody who actually maintains a healthy body by actually eating nothing but pop tarts, whether it's "theoretically" possible or not.
Some of y'all are tilting at windmills here...
And you are a troll... several times it has been pointed out that no one practicing IIFYM only eats Pop Tarts, but instead, that they plan nutritionally sound meals to allow them to enjoy a Pop Tart. Which isn't any different than "eating clean" for 80% of the day and then calling a Pop Tart that 20%.0 -
I don't know anybody who actually maintains a healthy body by actually eating nothing but pop tarts, whether it's "theoretically" possible or not.
Some of y'all are tilting at windmills here...
And you are a troll... several times it has been pointed out that no one practicing IIFYM only eats Pop Tarts, but instead, that they plan nutritionally sound meals to allow them to enjoy a Pop Tart. Which isn't any different than "eating clean" for 80% of the day and then calling a Pop Tart that 20%.
Whoosh.0 -
I'll watch the video after I'm done eating ice cream and snickers bars for dinner....oh wait...0
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daaaamn you beat me to it. yes. if chocolate cake is your vice, and you desperately need to have it every day, and if having it every day will help you eat whole foods and stay on track, then by all means chow down.
for the average person looking to lose weight it's about sustainability to reach a healthier place than they're currently at.
my philosophy has always been that. I just ALSO feel that once you reach a certain point, your health/weight/body fat % will stall unless you get more meticulous. Most people aren't interested in moving beyond that plateau, and they don't need to be. I'm talking about athletic, extremely active people looking to perform at an (dare I say it) elite level.
I'm not there yet, and I want to be.
Yes, I do find that to be absolutely true. I'm not there yet myself either.
My point is that the two different approaches to nutrition and diet are exactly the same, but are called different things for different reasons.
What's your timeframe on becoming elite?
Yes, I am quite impatient. I am starting from morbidly obese, and I should point out that my goals aren't to be "elite" as that term has been used in this thread.
But I'm also having hormone issues that are outside the norm of the general public. So, obtaining my goals are going to require more rigidity on my part, a practice I'm not very good at.
So you're not there, ever
You're making a point about something you're not actually aiming for using personal experience, which makes it invalid.
For an *IIFYM* or a *Clean Eating* style diet to be successful, certain basic criteria must be met in either case. That does not make them the same.
No I misunderstood "elite" as it was initially described.
And no, I never said the two were the same. I said that they were similar, but the approach to it was different. And Coach agreed with me.
I'm not sure why you chose to jump in this conversation... but I agreed with Reddy and completely misinterpretted what I was agreeing with (which happens often with him).
So, since you needed to call out my particular post. Please allow me to retract the previous statement in this quote.
LOLWUT?
What did you think it meant? Whipped cream frosting?
No, I thought he meant a low body fat percentage.
I personally inserted that I am experiencing issues with insulin and cortisol. Obviously these things make weight loss more difficult, and its something I struggle with. I took my personal difficulties and applied them to the context of "elite" that Reddy was referring to. And by "elite" athlete, I am thinking of people training for fitness competitions.
I have the impression that I must embrace that lifestyle in order to achieve results.
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked for misinterpretting what someone else other than you said, but I'll be sure to read a little more carefully in the future.0 -
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I don't have anything to add, but just want to thank the IIFYM defenders in this thread with open diaries. I've been trying to get the hang of it, and was able to get some good meal ideas by creeping around lol.0
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I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.0 -
I don't know anybody who actually maintains a healthy body by actually eating nothing but pop tarts, whether it's "theoretically" possible or not.
Some of y'all are tilting at windmills here...
I eat nothing but poptarts....
for breakfast.
is that better???
(actually that's a lie- I never eat poptarts- but I do only eat ice cream for dessert- that's like the same thing as saying I ONLY ever eat ice cream ammaright?)0 -
is that better???
Better for what?0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll... you are attempting to turn, what has surprisingly been a pretty civil debate, into a battle zone by making the same crappy straw man remarks that always turn these threads.0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.
Yep... that's exactly what you are doing.0 -
I'll watch the video after I'm done eating ice cream and snickers bars for dinner....oh wait...
You're diary says you had chicken and brown rice for dinner. But this kind of post is what makes so many people think that the IIFYM diet is just eating whatever crap you want.0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.
Yep... that's exactly what you are doing.
Ohhhh...
UTBH...
You and Mr. Knight actually agree, I think, and something was lost in text.
He doesn't know of any REAL people who claim to be IIFYM but eat nothing but poptarts.
Isn't that kind of how you feel too?
Edited to remove the extra "eat"... I'll need it later.
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To those who may be reading on the sidelines.
If you have hormonal issues, that does NOT mean you have to follow what such and such elite level whatever did to get shredded in order to lose weight.
It means you need to see a doctor.
Hormone imbalances are a game changer, and doing the same thing but stricter is often not the right course of action.0 -
I'll watch the video after I'm done eating ice cream and snickers bars for dinner....oh wait...
You're diary says you had chicken and brown rice for dinner. But this kind of post is what makes so many people think that the IIFYM diet is just eating whatever crap you want.
The only people who believe that are people who choose to believe that. No one with a shred of intellectual honesty actually believes that. It's a phenomena among people who want to hate on IIFYM, end of story. It does not exist outside of those people.0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.
Yep... that's exactly what you are doing.
Ohhhh...
UTBH...
You and Mr. Knight actually agree, I think, and something was lost in text.
He doesn't know of any REAL people who claim to be IIFYM but eat nothing but poptarts.
Isn't that kind of how you feel too?
Edited to remove the extra "eat"... I'll need it later.
Okay... yeah...
It's been a long day... I need some sugar or something...0 -
I'll watch the video after I'm done eating ice cream and snickers bars for dinner....oh wait...
You're diary says you had chicken and brown rice for dinner. But this kind of post is what makes so many people think that the IIFYM diet is just eating whatever crap you want.
The only people who believe that are people who choose to believe that. No one with a shred of intellectual honesty actually believes that. It's a phenomena among people who want to hate on IIFYM, end of story. It does not exist outside of those people.
Bingo.0 -
I'll watch the video after I'm done eating ice cream and snickers bars for dinner....oh wait...
You're diary says you had chicken and brown rice for dinner. But this kind of post is what makes so many people think that the IIFYM diet is just eating whatever crap you want.
The only people who believe that are people who choose to believe that. No one with a shred of intellectual honesty actually believes that. It's a phenomena among people who want to hate on IIFYM, end of story. It does not exist outside of those people.
If you say so.0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.
Yep... that's exactly what you are doing.
Ohhhh...
UTBH...
You and Mr. Knight actually agree, I think, and something was lost in text.
He doesn't know of any REAL people who claim to be IIFYM but eat nothing but poptarts.
Isn't that kind of how you feel too?
Edited to remove the extra "eat"... I'll need it later.
Okay... yeah...
It's been a long day... I need some sugar or something...
Perhaps some cake? With ELITE frosting?0 -
To those who may be reading on the sidelines.
If you have hormonal issues, that does NOT mean you have to follow what such and such elite level whatever did to get shredded in order to lose weight.
It means you need to see a doctor.
Hormone imbalances are a game changer, and doing the same thing but stricter is often not the right course of action.
Thanks... this helps. It is confusing. I'm waiting to see if the meds help before I start going the extreme dieting route. I really wasn't trying to imply that anyone should.0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.
Yep... that's exactly what you are doing.
Ohhhh...
UTBH...
You and Mr. Knight actually agree, I think, and something was lost in text.
He doesn't know of any REAL people who claim to be IIFYM but eat nothing but poptarts.
Isn't that kind of how you feel too?
Edited to remove the extra "eat"... I'll need it later.
Okay... yeah...
It's been a long day... I need some sugar or something...
Perhaps some cake? With ELITE frosting?
Can I have some ice cream too?
Wait... let me check my macros. :laugh:0 -
I'll watch the video after I'm done eating ice cream and snickers bars for dinner....oh wait...
You're diary says you had chicken and brown rice for dinner. But this kind of post is what makes so many people think that the IIFYM diet is just eating whatever crap you want.
The only people who believe that are people who choose to believe that. No one with a shred of intellectual honesty actually believes that. It's a phenomena among people who want to hate on IIFYM, end of story. It does not exist outside of those people.
If you say so.
I do say so. In real life, when you tell someone about IIFYM and you say "eat whatever you want, just make it fit your macros" they sometimes respond "what, so you can eat twinkies all day?" You say "well no, because you still need a lot of protein and you should be getting several servings of fruits and vegetables every day. So you focus your diet on hitting those nutrient goals, but no food is off limits as long as you make room in your calories and macros for it."
In real life, the person then understands and often asks more questions about what nutrient goals should look like.
On MFP, when talking with a person who wants to hate on IIFYM, the person says something very much like "eating whatever crap you want/poptarts all day erry day/nothing but McDonald's/lalala i dont here u."0 -
The forums here are the so ****ing dumb.0
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I have a couple of legit question for the IIFYMers...
Is there an "ideal" macro target for fat loss? At the end of each day, does it all have to be 100% on point, or is there some wiggle room?
Forget it...found this resource. I hope it's reliable.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/macro-math-3-keys-to-dialing-in-your-macro-ratios.html0 -
I'm not quite sure why I'm being attacked...
Your propensity for name-calling might possibly have something to do with it.
Whatever... you are a troll...
:laugh:
Res ipsa loquitor.
Yep... that's exactly what you are doing.
Ohhhh...
UTBH...
You and Mr. Knight actually agree, I think, and something was lost in text.
He doesn't know of any REAL people who claim to be IIFYM but eat nothing but poptarts.
Isn't that kind of how you feel too?
Edited to remove the extra "eat"... I'll need it later.
Okay... yeah...
It's been a long day... I need some sugar or something...
It happens. :flowerforyou:
I had some berries with lunch.
mmmmm... berries! :happy:0
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