Wrongly labeled foods!
Replies
-
Researchers can conveniently forget that correlation =/= causation when there's grant money on the line. Even still, most of the journal articles that people cite (and if you're citing any non-peer reviewed website, just stop) on asperatme, etc generally end in "well...we can't really conclude one way or another. More research needed!" AKA "Give us more funding to keep looking".
The problem is that most people won't read the entire article, don't understand methods behind the experiments, don't really know how to read these articles, don't understand powered statistics or how easily stats can be manipulated or selectively omitted.0 -
So this is kind of the same, but different. I scanned the barcode right off a bottle of Blue Diamond Natural Almonds - Dark Chocolate last night, and it showed up on my MFP as some kind of flavored cashews with twice as many calories. How does this happen?!?!
Wasn't even the right nut!! Haha. 0 -
That's because barcodes aren't the same around the world. Different products can share the same UPC code, and in some cases the same product can have different UPC codes.So this is kind of the same, but different. I scanned the barcode right off a bottle of Blue Diamond Natural Almonds - Dark Chocolate last night, and it showed up on my MFP as some kind of flavored cashews with twice as many calories. How does this happen?!?! Wasn't even the right nut!! Haha.0 -
Good to know! Glad I caught it. So based on that information, can the nutritional information also be skewed at all?0
-
The OP is convincing enough that I just might buy a food scale! I am realizing that even eating whole fruits and veggies I'm probably not logging them correctly by just saying "1 banana" or "10 strawberries"
I have been losing weight without weighing my food, but I know my calorie logging isn't 100% accurate.0 -
Anyone know if those powder tubs of juice mix from Wal-Mart are accurate? IIRC it's 5 cals per cup. The orange juice is great!0
-
Clearly you have no science background and you are also too lazy too google any of your assumptions.
Resting pH of stomach pH is 4-5.
Yes, I meant enamel, but autocorrect preferred animal.
Chemically, Phosphorous and Phosphoric acid are very different and are not the same.
Correct, Phosphorous is a component of phosphoric acid. However, Phosphoric acid is linked to chronic kidney disease and lower bone density.
I appreciate you hold science in high regard, however, I think you need to educate yourself a bit more before giving false information.
Citric acid negatively affects your body? Is that why lemons are always being pushed as super healthy?
Hmmm.
Wha? Diet sodas are 96% water. Pretty sure your body knows how to process water. The rest of the ingredients are various proteins and minerals that your body digests by the truckload (figuratively speaking) in all the food you eat every day. There's absolutely nothing in a diet soda that you don't already eat.I definitely agree. As for the diet soda, I doubt there's actually much in it since it's nearly all chemicals that your body can't process. But I have noticed since I cut out my diet coke, I don't eat nearly as much. I've read before that it has an effect on your brain not feeling full.
Ingredients in diet coke:
Carbonated water, colour (caramel E150d), sweeteners (aspartame, acesulfame-K), natural flavourings including caffeine, phosphoric acid, citric acid. Contains a source of phenylalanine (not a good thing btw)
Cherry diet coke:
Carbonated water, natural flavourings including caffeine, colour (caramel E150d), citric acid, sweeteners (aspartame, acesulfame-K), phosphoric acid, acidity regulator (E331), tartaric acid. Contains a source of phenylalanine.
If you're getting any of these besides the carbonated water (and caffiene). in your daily diet, that's not good for your health.
Again, to each their own, but that's how I feel
Aspartame - Aspartic Acid and Phenylalanine, both amino acids, phenylalanine is essential for life, aspartic acid is made by the human body.
Citric Acid - Well gee, our entire human metabolism runs on something called the "Citric Acid cycle," so I'm not sure how long you'd live with no citric acid in your system. Also, oranges, lemons, grapefruits, limes, but I'm guessing you don't eat CITRUS fruits, either, right?
Phospohoric acid - Well Phosphorus is a major structural component of DNA and RNA, so again, good luck staying alive without it.
Acesulfame-K - a Potassium salt. Yeah, you need potassium to live also.
So uh yeah. If you're not getting those things in other foods you eat, you won't be alive. But hey, go ahead and keep on with your fear mongering.
Your logic is completely flawed, along with your science.
Citric Acid Cycle/Krebs cycle provides its own buffering systems.
Phosphoric acid and phosphorus are not the same thing.
Citric Acid has been proven to tear down the animal in your teeth and affect your stomach negatively. Soda, with a pH of 3 is not healthy.
Aspartame: Look at the research.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/96/6/1249.short
The fact that taking each ingredient and matching it up to body components on a google search is ludicrous. As you can develop toxicity with vitamins, you can build toxicity with salts and inorganic and organic compounds.
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! Calories don't matter if you are feeding yourself with horrible food choices. One person wrote that she loves and eats heaps of bacon. Only worried about the fat?! What about all the nitrates and more importantly, it is not a healthy food choice.
If calories were all that mattered, nutrition facts would not be required. Use MFP to your advantage and track your carbs, fat, protein and also your vitamins and minerals if you want to be healthy and lose weight effectively.
And phosphoric acid IS phosphorus. Without phosphorus, there would be no phosphoric acid.
Also, my teeth don't have animals. I think the word you're looking for is enamel, and tooth enamel is worn down by just about every food a human being eats, tomatoes and strawberries being particularly vicious examples.
The pH of your stomach is 1, so a soda with a pH of 3 would actually dilute it if anything.
And finally, there are 100 times more nitrates in leafy greens than your get from bacon.0 -
Correct, Phosphorous is a component of phosphoric acid. However, Phosphoric acid is linked to chronic kidney disease and lower bone density.
At what dosage?? Study link? Touting science as you are, I'm assuming you actually have some science to back that up and not some blog post written by someone with a communications degree who probably just ripped the info from some other bozo's blog, etc..
The difference between any harmless or beneficial substance and a toxic substance is dosage. Because some study found high concentrations of phosphoric acid to be correlated to kidney disease does not make it applicable to real world availability in food products. I'm not advocating drinking buckets of soda, but it's equally reckless to spout off stuff like this because "Google told you so". Phosphoric acid is also used in teeth whitening strips. It's also can be inhaled and is found in most detergents and soaps. But, again, since it's not present in any of these things at toxic doses it doesn't REALISTICALLY pose a threat to most people who are just enjoying a soda here and there.0 -
Hey I actually work on food labels for a living! If you're really interested in the rules we have to follow, go to the FDA's website and search for the CFR. It's a really long and complicated set of rules (chapters and chapters) for how to legally label foods in the USA, but if you're really interested it's the place to go. However, that's not to say some companies don't do it wrong, because a lot of them do lol.0
-
Paolinat! ::food scientist high five!::0
-
I'm not here for the diet soda argument, but there is indeed something inside of sodas, even diet sodas, that make me extremely sick. Sick as in bed with the worst migraine ever and even breathing is extremely painful. Artificial crappy stuff like that is the only things that give me migraines, i've never encountered this with actual real food or drink.
I don't think people should judge others if they drink it or not, because clearly no matter who "did their research".. god knows what they put in it and if someone doesn't want to drink soda's for that reason, so be it.
Just my opinion.0 -
Edited.0
-
That 0 calorie spray butter? It's actually 8 calories per spray. The government has some kind of guidelines where if it's under x, they can write 0, or something. (You can find out more by Googling, and hopefully someone comes and says I'm wrong, cuz it's delicious).
Zero calorie soda? I'm not sure about this one, but I've seen quite a few people say they've gained weight after taking diet soda back into their dietary rotation.
Post all the ones you know (or are curious about, maybe someone else has the answer)! :-)
Well, first I know that you need to get your facts straight. The zero calorie spray butter is 0.8 calories per spray, NOT 8 calories per spray.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/parkay-spray-lawsuit_n_2956709.html
Second, if a serving, as defined by the manufacturer is less than 5 calories, the FDA encourages the manufacturer to list the food as zero calories.
http://www.fda.gov/food/guidanceregulation/guidancedocumentsregulatoryinformation/labelingnutrition/ucm064911.htm
As for the soda, a can of diet soda has less than one calorie, therefore by FDA guidelines is allowed to label the soda as zero calories
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/1calorie.asp
Edited to add this: I drink diet sodas literally every day and I have been losing weight. That's another myth exploded.
0 -
I love it when things that have very few cals are labeled as zero. Because zero times zero is zero. So I just eat like 50 tablespoons of no calorie stuff and I'm gold.0
-
Confusing labels:
When weighing chicken (or fish, or whatever) are the calories on the label for the raw meat, or cooked? I always thought cooked because it loses water and stuff, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
White rice! It says 160 cals for 1/4th cup...does it mean 1/4th dry or cooked? Huge difference!0 -
Confusing labels:
When weighing chicken (or fish, or whatever) are the calories on the label for the raw meat, or cooked? I always thought cooked because it loses water and stuff, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
White rice! It says 160 cals for 1/4th cup...does it mean 1/4th dry or cooked? Huge difference!
Pretty sure it means prepared, I don't know of anyone eating dry rice, so why would they put the calories for dried rice on a package? but who knows! just my guess0 -
There is someone here pretending to be a food scientist and stating that phenylalanine is bad for you and that soda pH negatively affects us because resting stomach pH is 4-5?
Rly?
In!!
Edit: typo and egg whites.0 -
I heard air has 1 calorie a breath. The internet told me.0
-
I heard air has 1 calorie a breath. The internet told me.
Source: Wikipedia0 -
Confusing labels:
When weighing chicken (or fish, or whatever) are the calories on the label for the raw meat, or cooked? I always thought cooked because it loses water and stuff, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
White rice! It says 160 cals for 1/4th cup...does it mean 1/4th dry or cooked? Huge difference!
Pretty sure it means prepared, I don't know of anyone eating dry rice, so why would they put the calories for dried rice on a package? but who knows! just my guess
oh, yeah! I hope you're right, really! But still totally confusing! Like, how do you know how much to make? lol0 -
Food labels are for raw, uncooked product.Confusing labels:
When weighing chicken (or fish, or whatever) are the calories on the label for the raw meat, or cooked? I always thought cooked because it loses water and stuff, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
White rice! It says 160 cals for 1/4th cup...does it mean 1/4th dry or cooked? Huge difference!
Pretty sure it means prepared, I don't know of anyone eating dry rice, so why would they put the calories for dried rice on a package? but who knows! just my guess
It's impossible to tell how much water a food will absorb of lose during the cooking process, therefore it's impossible to tell what a given portion of food will weigh after cooking.
Pasta and rice serving sizes are dry weights, meats are raw weights (unless stated otherwise on the packaging.)0 -
Food labels are for raw, uncooked product.Confusing labels:
When weighing chicken (or fish, or whatever) are the calories on the label for the raw meat, or cooked? I always thought cooked because it loses water and stuff, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
White rice! It says 160 cals for 1/4th cup...does it mean 1/4th dry or cooked? Huge difference!
Pretty sure it means prepared, I don't know of anyone eating dry rice, so why would they put the calories for dried rice on a package? but who knows! just my guess
It's impossible to tell how much water a food will absorb of lose during the cooking process, therefore it's impossible to tell what a given portion of food will weigh after cooking.
Pasta and rice serving sizes are dry weights, meats are raw weights (unless stated otherwise on the packaging.)
So you weigh the meat product dethawed, right?0 -
So you weigh the meat product dethawed, right?
weighing it frozen or thawed won't change much is it's in a sealed bag.0 -
I heard air has 1 calorie a breath. The internet told me.
Source: Wikipedia
:noway: :sick: :noway: :sick: :noway: :sick:0 -
My roommate bought a cake mix with only flour, sugar and baking powder in it (don't ask me why), you need to add butter and eggs to it. It was close to exp date so I used it to bake some muffins and I saw that the nutritional label says it has 12 g FATS. Fats in flour and sugar?! I guess the label is referring to the cake... Pretty annoying.0
-
So you weigh the meat product dethawed, right?
weighing it frozen or thawed won't change much is it's in a sealed bag.
There would be a pretty hefty water/ice difference between thawed and frozen, no?0 -
Those Knorr Dinner Sides read something like this (lol):
Dry: 230 calories
Prepared: 250 calories
In the instructions, you have (optional) butter. Are the prepared calories including that butter? It doesn't say what KIND of butter. Is this for just full on normal butter? lol0 -
I think it is horrible when people ask for research, because they are too lazy to do it themselves.
(1) A study performed by the Epidemiology Branch of the US National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, concludes that drinking 2 or more colas per day was associated with doubling the risk of chronic kidney disease. per http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17525693?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
(2) A study using dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry rather than a questionnaire about breakage, provides reasonable evidence to support the theory that drinking cola results in lower bone density. This study was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. A total of 1672 women and 1148 men were studied between 1996 and 2001. Dietary information was collected using a food frequency questionnaire that had specific questions about the number of servings of cola and other carbonated beverages and that also made a differentiation between regular, caffeine-free, and diet drinks. The paper cites significant statistical evidence to show that women who consume cola daily have lower bone density. Total phosphorus intake was not significantly higher in daily cola consumers than in nonconsumers; however, the calcium-to-phosphorus ratios were lower. Tucker, K. L.; Morita, K.; Qiao, N.; Hannan, M. T.; Cupples, L. A.; Kiel, D. P. (2006). "Colas, but not other carbonated beverages, are associated with low bone mineral density in older women: The Framingham Osteoporosis Study". The American journal of clinical nutrition 84 (4): 936–942
I do apologize that my information doesn't come from blogs or horrible websites without real scientific research. Do your research. Yes, toxic levels are extremely dangerous, but so is daily consumption.
Rather than assume people are wrong, because you think you are right, take a look at the science. Real science. It is out there, waiting for you to learn.
An easy search for scholarly journal articles, though results doesn't necessarily allow you access to the articles, is scholar.google.com. Most local libraries allows free access to its patrons, so you can look at the articles without paying for the journal and/or the article. Try it sometime.
Correct, Phosphorous is a component of phosphoric acid. However, Phosphoric acid is linked to chronic kidney disease and lower bone density.
At what dosage?? Study link? Touting science as you are, I'm assuming you actually have some science to back that up and not some blog post written by someone with a communications degree who probably just ripped the info from some other bozo's blog, etc..
The difference between any harmless or beneficial substance and a toxic substance is dosage. Because some study found high concentrations of phosphoric acid to be correlated to kidney disease does not make it applicable to real world availability in food products. I'm not advocating drinking buckets of soda, but it's equally reckless to spout off stuff like this because "Google told you so". Phosphoric acid is also used in teeth whitening strips. It's also can be inhaled and is found in most detergents and soaps. But, again, since it's not present in any of these things at toxic doses it doesn't REALISTICALLY pose a threat to most people who are just enjoying a soda here and there.0 -
Stop and shop bakery bread is frequently labeled wrong. I was going to buy a package of pumpernickel, but then read the nutrition facts. I can't remember exactly what it said but it was something like:
Calories per serving: 140
Serving size: 1/14 of loaf
Servings per container: 3
ORLY?0 -
Hmmm.
Wha? Diet sodas are 96% water. Pretty sure your body knows how to process water. The rest of the ingredients are various proteins and minerals that your body digests by the truckload (figuratively speaking) in all the food you eat every day. There's absolutely nothing in a diet soda that you don't already eat.I definitely agree. As for the diet soda, I doubt there's actually much in it since it's nearly all chemicals that your body can't process. But I have noticed since I cut out my diet coke, I don't eat nearly as much. I've read before that it has an effect on your brain not feeling full.
Ingredients in diet coke:
Carbonated water, colour (caramel E150d), sweeteners (aspartame, acesulfame-K), natural flavourings including caffeine, phosphoric acid, citric acid. Contains a source of phenylalanine (not a good thing btw)
Cherry diet coke:
Carbonated water, natural flavourings including caffeine, colour (caramel E150d), citric acid, sweeteners (aspartame, acesulfame-K), phosphoric acid, acidity regulator (E331), tartaric acid. Contains a source of phenylalanine.
If you're getting any of these besides the carbonated water (and caffiene). in your daily diet, that's not good for your health.
Again, to each their own, but that's how I feel
Aspartame - Aspartic Acid and Phenylalanine, both amino acids, phenylalanine is essential for life, aspartic acid is made by the human body.
Citric Acid - Well gee, our entire human metabolism runs on something called the "Citric Acid cycle," so I'm not sure how long you'd live with no citric acid in your system. Also, oranges, lemons, grapefruits, limes, but I'm guessing you don't eat CITRUS fruits, either, right?
Phospohoric acid - Well Phosphorus is a major structural component of DNA and RNA, so again, good luck staying alive without it.
Acesulfame-K - a Potassium salt. Yeah, you need potassium to live also.
So uh yeah. If you're not getting those things in other foods you eat, you won't be alive. But hey, go ahead and keep on with your fear mongering.
Your logic is completely flawed, along with your science.
Citric Acid Cycle/Krebs cycle provides its own buffering systems.
Phosphoric acid and phosphorus are not the same thing.
Citric Acid has been proven to tear down the animal in your teeth and affect your stomach negatively. Soda, with a pH of 3 is not healthy.
Aspartame: Look at the research.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/96/6/1249.short
The fact that taking each ingredient and matching it up to body components on a google search is ludicrous. As you can develop toxicity with vitamins, you can build toxicity with salts and inorganic and organic compounds.
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! Calories don't matter if you are feeding yourself with horrible food choices. One person wrote that she loves and eats heaps of bacon. Only worried about the fat?! What about all the nitrates and more importantly, it is not a healthy food choice.
If calories were all that mattered, nutrition facts would not be required. Use MFP to your advantage and track your carbs, fat, protein and also your vitamins and minerals if you want to be healthy and lose weight effectively.
hah. animal.
You mean enamel.0
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.3K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 422 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.7K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions