2 weeks on Lyle Mcdonald's RFLD...advice please?
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Your previous picture was of a male so apologies I had to judge on that. Secondly, we are different because we are not the same person. My sister and I might be related but we do NOT have the same metabolism. She sheds weight much easier than I do, and she has a more muscular physique than I do. We are not all the same, that is just the truth. Whilst you and I may both have PCOS, that doesn't make us metabolically the same. You might have IR whilst I don't. You might not have trouble with acne while I do. You might not have an eating disorder while I do.
No, it was a picture of me. You assumed since there was visible muscle that it was a guy. We obviously haven't told you what you want to hear, so I'm going to leave this thread now because I have no more solid advice to offer. Good luck!0 -
OP -- I'd highly recommend that you speak to a thyroid specialist. Your story sounds soooo much like mine. Now, I have a dirty lens here, but bear with me.
I first suspected thyroid issues 10+ years ago and over that time, I saw 4 different doctors (including two endos). I was told everything was "fine", "within range" or "borderline but still within range". I have a family history of hypothyroidism and quite a few of the symptoms -- difficulty losing weight, unexplained weight gain, crippling bouts of fatigue (some days, I literally slept 14 hours because I was just exhausted), cold all the time, constipation, dry hair, brittle nails (not terrible, but enough that hair stylists and manicurists would comment). Since I'd had it "checked" a few times, I just accepted this as my "normal". But, as I aged, it got worse -- especially the fatigue and difficulty losing weight.
It wasn't until I trained for and ran a half marathon with my fiance and didn't lose a single pound (meanwhile, he'd lost 25 and was eating tons more than me and struggling not to lose more), that he insisted I look into it more -- that this certainly wasn't right. I went back to my PCP and she "checked" and everything looked fine, according to her -- cholesterol was a little up, but nothing terrible. And since I was only 30 lbs or so overweight (at 5'9"), she didn't think the weight was a bad thing either. Went to another endo (doc 4), who just looked at my TSH and said it was "within range" (though also totally ignored other factors, including past TSH tests that were all over the map). Finally, I started doing some more research on thyroid and found out about other tests -- none of with my doctors ran (they all just did TSH) -- and finally found a thyroid specialist.
He ran TSH, Free T3, Fee T4 and antibodies -- presence of one or both types of antibodies are text book indicator for Hashimoto's thyroiditis -- which I had a family history of in addition to overt hypo (which is what Hash's turns into later once the thyroid is destroyed by the autoimmune system). He also found the insulin resistance and vitamin D and magnesium deficiencies. All things that none of my prior doctors checked for AT ALL. It was infuriating!
Like you, I'd been meticulously weighing and measuring food and measuring exercise (I have a body media armband and was lifting heavy twice weekly, doing twice weekly sprint sessions and walking/hiking 18-25 miles per week). I was at 700+ daily deficit and barely losing or not losing at all (2.2 lbs over 3 months when it should have been something like 15-18 lbs! -- and at such a small loss, who knows if it was anything more than water anyway). I was told a lot of similar things by people here -- some were well intentioned and helpful, but some were downright nasty, even going as far as to tell me I was a liar, crazy, unable to handle the truth, in denial, etc.
Then, I find this doctor that does these tests, get me back on track with the vitamin deficiencies and treats the insulin resistance and thyroid and I start losing the weight doing the EXACT same things. I lost more in 3 weeks than I did in 3 months prior. After 4 weeks, I was down over 7 lbs -- just in line with my deficits -- and that would have taken me over 6 months prior!
Do you find yourself experiencing any symptoms of hypothyroid? Cold? Constipation? Fatigue? Dry hair/skin? Brittle nails? There are a bunch more. It's possible that like me you had "borderline" or low T3 and T4, but if you're also experiencing hypo symptoms, that may very well be it. I finally found a doctor that got the right diagnosis -- looked beyond TSH, which is quite unreliable with Hashi's until it gets bad -- and look for what's optimal rather than what's "within range". The Amerincan Association of Clinical Endocrinologists has recently changed the standards for TSH levels as they realized that they were still missing a lot of people that were hypo. I bet you they'll change again in the next 20 years or so to better find people like me. The American Thyroid Association estimates that 60% of thyroid disorders are undiagnosed -- and this is in part because of the inaccurate standards put out for TSH and the inability of a lot of docs and endos to look beyond TSH (go to a thyroid forum and you'll see this story again and again).
Here's a good article on that sort of thing, which I found very helpful in my search: http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/woliner.htm
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I was going nearly crazy with calorie counting myself and not figuring out why it wasn't working for me (I had 5000 calorie deficit a week -- there was no way I was off by that much). About a year prior to the diagnosis, I went Paleo and then Primal and found that helped with my fatigue in particular (which I now believe is because I eliminated the autoimmune triggers -- likely gluten -- that triggered the Hashi's), but still wasn't working for the weight. When I finally got the correct diagnosis, it was a huge relief to see the weight finally coming off and not having the other symptoms anymore. My whole idea of what was "normal" for me shifted dramatically. And, it was great to finally make sense of it and not feel like I was totally crazy.0 -
Yes. I'm a troll.
"You're eating 900 calories a day and not losing". What conclusion do you draw? Or do you just want to keep making excuses?
Have you ignored the parts where I said my measurements have decreased and I was just looking for some suggestions on why the scale hadn't budged? Did you ignore the part where I said today my weight dropped? So clearly I AM losing weight, just not as much as I'd hoped. The conclusions I draw are that 1. I need a bigger calorie deficit and my refeeds may be hindering my progress and 2. I'm holding on to some water weight. If I wanted to make excuses why bother coming here in the first place? I could just say to myself "Stop being an idiot, you are not eating 900 cals a day so stop lying to yourself and make an effort". However I came here out of genuine confusion BECAUSE it doesn't make sense. I've actually had some really good insight from the folks over on Lyle's site but here it's judgement and accusation central. You guys need to get down there and see how they do it. And hey, whaddaya know? None of them accused me of lying! You know why? Cos many of them have done the SAME diet as me and have also had slower progress than anticipated. Amazing huh? I wonder if they were lying to themselves too!0 -
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
The article from Lyle is relevant.
1.) I am a FEMALE not a male. 2.) I wasn't always a bodybuilder, I was obese for years. 3.) I also suffer from PCOS (that's why it took me 3 years to go from 220 pounds to where I am now). 4.) My entire family is obese including my parents, sisters, grandparents, great grandparents, aunts and uncles.
Please point out how we are different again.
Your previous picture was of a male so apologies I had to judge on that. Secondly, we are different because we are not the same person. My sister and I might be related but we do NOT have the same metabolism. She sheds weight much easier than I do, and she has a more muscular physique than I do. We are not all the same, that is just the truth. Whilst you and I may both have PCOS, that doesn't make us metabolically the same. You might have IR whilst I don't. You might not have trouble with acne while I do. You might not have an eating disorder while I do.
Finally, HOW is the article relevant? It doesn't relate to this situation at all. He talks about people who are not making progress and yet refuse to try anything different. That has NEVER been me. I did low carb, lost weight, stalled, tried something else. I tried moderate cal, lost weight, stalled, tried something else. I tried Potato diet, lost weight, felt like rubbish, tried something else. It's been going on like that for years. When something isn't working I try something else! So please tell me how exactly what Lyle says in his article applies to me? How have I refused to try something DIFFERENT? And why would I try something different when I'm making more progress doing this than I have on any other diet recently? In fact I'd say I'm the opposite of what he describes because I'm refusing to do the SAME thing that wasn't giving me results. What you've suggested I've attempted many times before, so why would I try it again? I do wonder if you're doing some selective reading...
going from one fad diet to the next does not count as "trying something different".0 -
Your previous picture was of a male so apologies I had to judge on that. Secondly, we are different because we are not the same person. My sister and I might be related but we do NOT have the same metabolism. She sheds weight much easier than I do, and she has a more muscular physique than I do. We are not all the same, that is just the truth. Whilst you and I may both have PCOS, that doesn't make us metabolically the same. You might have IR whilst I don't. You might not have trouble with acne while I do. You might not have an eating disorder while I do.
No, it was a picture of me. You assumed since there was visible muscle that it was a guy. We obviously haven't told you what you want to hear, so I'm going to leave this thread now because I have no more solid advice to offer. Good luck!
Actually the person in the picture didn't appear to have a shirt on, that's why I assumed you were a guy. Also I'd never seen a woman with such broad shoulders before. You're right, some people haven't told me what I wanted to hear which was 1. Compassion and trust that I am telling the truth and 2. Some helpful insight. It's sad that so many couldn't offer this but hey, it was worth a try.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.0
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If you re-read your post then you will find that you answered your own quesiton. It seems that you have kicked your body into stravation mode and it is holding onto the little bit of food it is getting which could cause weight gain and weight stalling.
Have you spoken to your doctor, nutritionist, and a dietitian?
Wrong answer. Starvation mode will not kick in until you go below a certain body fat % and unless she's starving, as in NO CALORIES, and has lost so much fat she's below that amount then it's most likely the PCOS causing her issues or some other medical issue, and maybe not even counting the calories correctly. But it's def. not starvation mode.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.0 -
McDonald's? No way...
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OP -- I'd highly recommend that you speak to a thyroid specialist. Your story sounds soooo much like mine. Now, I have a dirty lens here, but bear with me.
I first suspected thyroid issues 10+ years ago and over that time, I saw 4 different doctors (including two endos). I was told everything was "fine", "within range" or "borderline but still within range". I have a family history of hypothyroidism and quite a few of the symptoms -- difficulty losing weight, unexplained weight gain, crippling bouts of fatigue (some days, I literally slept 14 hours because I was just exhausted), cold all the time, constipation, dry hair, brittle nails (not terrible, but enough that hair stylists and manicurists would comment). Since I'd had it "checked" a few times, I just accepted this as my "normal". But, as I aged, it got worse -- especially the fatigue and difficulty losing weight.
It wasn't until I trained for and ran a half marathon with my fiance and didn't lose a single pound (meanwhile, he'd lost 25 and was eating tons more than me and struggling not to lose more), that he insisted I look into it more -- that this certainly wasn't right. I went back to my PCP and she "checked" and everything looked fine, according to her -- cholesterol was a little up, but nothing terrible. And since I was only 30 lbs or so overweight (at 5'9"), she didn't think the weight was a bad thing either. Went to another endo (doc 4), who just looked at my TSH and said it was "within range" (though also totally ignored other factors, including past TSH tests that were all over the map). Finally, I started doing some more research on thyroid and found out about other tests -- none of with my doctors ran (they all just did TSH) -- and finally found a thyroid specialist.
He ran TSH, Free T3, Fee T4 and antibodies -- presence of one or both types of antibodies are text book indicator for Hashimoto's thyroiditis -- which I had a family history of in addition to overt hypo (which is what Hash's turns into later once the thyroid is destroyed by the autoimmune system). He also found the insulin resistance and vitamin D and magnesium deficiencies. All things that none of my prior doctors checked for AT ALL. It was infuriating!
Like you, I'd been meticulously weighing and measuring food and measuring exercise (I have a body media armband and was lifting heavy twice weekly, doing twice weekly sprint sessions and walking/hiking 18-25 miles per week). I was at 700+ daily deficit and barely losing or not losing at all (2.2 lbs over 3 months when it should have been something like 15-18 lbs! -- and at such a small loss, who knows if it was anything more than water anyway). I was told a lot of similar things by people here -- some were well intentioned and helpful, but some were downright nasty, even going as far as to tell me I was a liar, crazy, unable to handle the truth, in denial, etc.
Then, I find this doctor that does these tests, get me back on track with the vitamin deficiencies and treats the insulin resistance and thyroid and I start losing the weight doing the EXACT same things. I lost more in 3 weeks than I did in 3 months prior. After 4 weeks, I was down over 7 lbs -- just in line with my deficits -- and that would have taken me over 6 months prior!
Do you find yourself experiencing any symptoms of hypothyroid? Cold? Constipation? Fatigue? Dry hair/skin? Brittle nails? There are a bunch more. It's possible that like me you had "borderline" or low T3 and T4, but if you're also experiencing hypo symptoms, that may very well be it. I finally found a doctor that got the right diagnosis -- looked beyond TSH, which is quite unreliable with Hashi's until it gets bad -- and look for what's optimal rather than what's "within range". The Amerincan Association of Clinical Endocrinologists has recently changed the standards for TSH levels as they realized that they were still missing a lot of people that were hypo. I bet you they'll change again in the next 20 years or so to better find people like me. The American Thyroid Association estimates that 60% of thyroid disorders are undiagnosed -- and this is in part because of the inaccurate standards put out for TSH and the inability of a lot of docs and endos to look beyond TSH (go to a thyroid forum and you'll see this story again and again).
Here's a good article on that sort of thing, which I found very helpful in my search: http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/woliner.htm
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I was going nearly crazy with calorie counting myself and not figuring out why it wasn't working for me (I had 5000 calorie deficit a week -- there was no way I was off by that much). About a year prior to the diagnosis, I went Paleo and then Primal and found that helped with my fatigue in particular (which I now believe is because I eliminated the autoimmune triggers -- likely gluten -- that triggered the Hashi's), but still wasn't working for the weight. When I finally got the correct diagnosis, it was a huge relief to see the weight finally coming off and not having the other symptoms anymore. My whole idea of what was "normal" for me shifted dramatically. And, it was great to finally make sense of it and not feel like I was totally crazy.
Well I'm going to have more tests on my thyroid in a few months, but I went to see an endocrinologist in the past and he told me my thyroid was fine so even if it is sluggish how do I get anyone to do anything if they refuse to accept there's a problem? Very little specialists I can see outside of this without a ton of money to go private.
What you said makes me think about a few years ago when I gained 12lbs over 9 days over Christmas. Now these judegmental people on here will say, "Well you must have been stuffing yourself with an excess of 2,000 cals a day!" but to me that is excessive. I wasn't counting calories so I can't say how much I was eating but eating 3,000 cals in one day makes me so full I want to puke so I can't see it likely that I was consuming over 4,000 a day. I don't have ALL the signs of hypothyroid though...I believe my body temp is normal even though my hands and feet are ALWAYS cold.
Did you have to pay to see a specialist? The problem I see even if I am found to have a slow thryoid is that the treatment is thyroxine which doesn't seem to be hugely effective when it comes to weight. My mom has a friend who's got weight problems, was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, given thyroxine, but still struggles to lose weight :-/. I'm sure it'd be worth a try...my GP said if my thyroid is still borderline in a few months they'd trial me on some but went on about side effects and this is why they're hesitant to prescribe it. How did they treat you if you don't mind me asking? What medications? I do agree that doctors should be looking at what's optimal and not what's ok because it's only JUST outside of range. This is the strange thing...my first test showed borderline (4.3 or something), then months later 2 more tests were both around 2 or so. Then most recent one was 4.22, so I'll have to wait to see what the next one says. I have nothing to lose though so I will try push the issue next time...Lord what a relief it would be to not have to suffer so bad just to lose a couple of pounds! I'm sorry you had bad experiences with people being nasty to you too. I really don't understand why people don't believe it's possible that we're all different and metabolic issues are a REAL thing. Them saying that because they can lose weight on a certain amount of calories you must be able to too is like saying to someone in a wheelchair, "Well I can walk, so you must be able to walk too!" but just because they can't SEE it they can't believe it. They can't SEE what your body is doing inside so they refuse to believe it's not working optimally. It's very very narrow-minded.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
Uh, sorry, am I missing something? Where exactly do you see that I'm not creating a calorie deficit and counting my calories? What is a PSMF other than a way to create a large calorie deficit and preserve lean muscle mass??0 -
Your previous picture was of a male so apologies I had to judge on that. Secondly, we are different because we are not the same person. My sister and I might be related but we do NOT have the same metabolism. She sheds weight much easier than I do, and she has a more muscular physique than I do. We are not all the same, that is just the truth. Whilst you and I may both have PCOS, that doesn't make us metabolically the same. You might have IR whilst I don't. You might not have trouble with acne while I do. You might not have an eating disorder while I do.
No, it was a picture of me. You assumed since there was visible muscle that it was a guy. We obviously haven't told you what you want to hear, so I'm going to leave this thread now because I have no more solid advice to offer. Good luck!
Actually the person in the picture didn't appear to have a shirt on, that's why I assumed you were a guy. Also I'd never seen a woman with such broad shoulders before. You're right, some people haven't told me what I wanted to hear which was 1. Compassion and trust that I am telling the truth and 2. Some helpful insight. It's sad that so many couldn't offer this but hey, it was worth a try.
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Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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I did it for close to a month, with the proper "normal" meals, sticking to my calories/protein, etc etc... along with weight lifting 3-4 times a week.
I lost a little bit of weight at first... went from 260-245/250, but that stopped after the first 2 weeks, and I stayed there for the second two weeks.
ETA: I was not impressed with the results, not to mention constantly being grumpy because you're hungry, not actually losing fat, just glycogen, etc etc.
I'm a huge fan of Lyle McDonald, but this just didn't work for me.0 -
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
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Your previous picture was of a male so apologies I had to judge on that. Secondly, we are different because we are not the same person. My sister and I might be related but we do NOT have the same metabolism. She sheds weight much easier than I do, and she has a more muscular physique than I do. We are not all the same, that is just the truth. Whilst you and I may both have PCOS, that doesn't make us metabolically the same. You might have IR whilst I don't. You might not have trouble with acne while I do. You might not have an eating disorder while I do.
No, it was a picture of me. You assumed since there was visible muscle that it was a guy. We obviously haven't told you what you want to hear, so I'm going to leave this thread now because I have no more solid advice to offer. Good luck!
Actually the person in the picture didn't appear to have a shirt on, that's why I assumed you were a guy. Also I'd never seen a woman with such broad shoulders before. You're right, some people haven't told me what I wanted to hear which was 1. Compassion and trust that I am telling the truth and 2. Some helpful insight. It's sad that so many couldn't offer this but hey, it was worth a try.
Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
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I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
I'm in for later reading and the inevitable mean people thread that will follow.
Pffft, wouldn't waste my time.0 -
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Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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did anyone else notice that op is a 30 year old female with current weight of 145.....doesn't this seem like a drastic diet for one that maybe only needs to lose 10-15 pounds...???? Or am I missing something...0
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did anyone else notice that op is a 30 year old female with current weight of 145.....doesn't this seem like a drastic diet for one that maybe only needs to lose 10-15 pounds...???? Or am I missing something...
TBH I bet it's just a troll
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Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
Obviously you have it all figured out. I definitely don't know anything about fat loss since I haven't been successful (I'm a competitive bodybuilder and I wouldn't dare treat my body the way you are treating yours). Good luck with your goals.
From Lyle McDonald: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
http://youtu.be/KA9AdlhB18o
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? Show me where you offered me a suggestion of something I haven't done? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
ahhh yes the special snowflake defense..
OP - USMC gave you some great advice and you just went off on some tangent about how you are different...
if you do not want advice, then do not ask for it..
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did anyone else notice that op is a 30 year old female with current weight of 145.....doesn't this seem like a drastic diet for one that maybe only needs to lose 10-15 pounds...???? Or am I missing something...
TBH I bet it's just a troll
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Are you not aware that people with less to lose are the ones for whom a small deficit doesn't work very well? In which case, crash diets make more sense as this is the only way to create a large calorie deficit. How is that so difficult to understand? Is it not obvious that someone with maintenance cals of 2500 would lose more weight eating 1500 cals a day than someone with maintenance cals of 1700? You also must have missed the part where I stated a moderate calorie deficit was producing little to no results.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
On the medical conditions, that's totally wrong. Some affect TDEE, some have completely different effects on metabolism so the usual assumptions for metabolic reactions in BMR and TDEE calculations are no longer the same. For example, difference in glucose metabolism with insulin resistance. Same for certain thyroid conditions.
That's why certain medications can create big changes in weight -- and it's not from incredible/immediate drops or increases in TDEE or BMR.0 -
Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
Obviously you have it all figured out. I definitely don't know anything about fat loss since I haven't been successful (I'm a competitive bodybuilder and I wouldn't dare treat my body the way you are treating yours). Good luck with your goals.
From Lyle McDonald: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.htmlhttp://youtu.be/KA9AdlhB18o
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? Show me where you offered me a suggestion of something I haven't done? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
ahhh yes the special snowflake defense..
OP - USMC gave you some great advice and you just went off on some tangent about how you are different...
if you do not want advice, then do not ask for it..
good luck with your starvation level diet .. I hope that you find something that works...
Oh yes, fantastic advice about doing the same thing I was doing before that was producing little to no results. That is certainly some amazing advice! Especially since the advice I asked for was about a specific diet and scale weight...way to avoid the point of the post.0 -
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Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.0 -
Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
Obviously you have it all figured out. I definitely don't know anything about fat loss since I haven't been successful (I'm a competitive bodybuilder and I wouldn't dare treat my body the way you are treating yours). Good luck with your goals.
From Lyle McDonald: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.htmlhttp://youtu.be/KA9AdlhB18o
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? Show me where you offered me a suggestion of something I haven't done? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
ahhh yes the special snowflake defense..
OP - USMC gave you some great advice and you just went off on some tangent about how you are different...
if you do not want advice, then do not ask for it..
good luck with your starvation level diet .. I hope that you find something that works...
Oh yes, fantastic advice about doing the same thing I was doing before that was producing little to no results. That is certainly some amazing advice! Especially since the advice I asked for was about a specific diet and scale weight...way to avoid the point of the post.
you opened your diary, and it was identified that you are not accurately logging .."quick add calories" is not an accurate logging method...
get control of your logging, and you will get control of your weight loss ...
but if you want to just keep arguing that you are "special" and calorie deficit does not work for you ...then by all means, keep doing what you are doing, as it has resulted in such awesome success already ..
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That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
On the medical conditions, that's totally wrong. Some affect TDEE, some have completely different effects on metabolism so the usual assumptions for metabolic reactions in BMR and TDEE calculations are no longer the same. For example, difference in glucose metabolism with insulin resistance. Same for certain thyroid conditions.
That's why certain medications can create big changes in weight -- and it's not from incredible/immediate drops or increases in TDEE or BMR.
so the laws of physics are wrong and you are right?
once again, you've missed a golden opportunity to remain silent.
TDEE is simply a term for the actual number of calories you burn in a day. i didn't say that it was necessarily derived from equations.
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Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.
USMC was obese, has PCOS, and is now a competitive body builder. If you do not want to follow advice from someone that has had that kind of transformation, then who are you going to listen to?????0 -
Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
You asked for help.
Someone honestly tried to help you.
That someone was not being offensive.
However, you're offended.
Come back & re-read this in a few days, when you're feeling less vulnerable.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
On the medical conditions, that's totally wrong. Some affect TDEE, some have completely different effects on metabolism so the usual assumptions for metabolic reactions in BMR and TDEE calculations are no longer the same. For example, difference in glucose metabolism with insulin resistance. Same for certain thyroid conditions.
That's why certain medications can create big changes in weight -- and it's not from incredible/immediate drops or increases in TDEE or BMR.
so the laws of physics are wrong and you are right?
once again, you've missed a golden opportunity to remain silent.
TDEE is simply a term for the actual number of calories you burn in a day. i didn't say that it was necessarily derived from equations.
SMDH.
lindz believes in magic and is never wrong..
wasting your time my burro friend 0
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