2 weeks on Lyle Mcdonald's RFLD...advice please?
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That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
Uh, sorry, am I missing something? Where exactly do you see that I'm not creating a calorie deficit and counting my calories? What is a PSMF other than a way to create a large calorie deficit and preserve lean muscle mass??
do whatever it is you're going to do. i'm too old to bicker with intentionally obtuse people.
count calories. don't count calories. follow fad diets. don't follow fad diets. i couldn't care less at this point.0 -
Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
Obviously you have it all figured out. I definitely don't know anything about fat loss since I haven't been successful (I'm a competitive bodybuilder and I wouldn't dare treat my body the way you are treating yours). Good luck with your goals.
From Lyle McDonald: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
http://youtu.be/KA9AdlhB18o
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? Show me where you offered me a suggestion of something I haven't done? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
ahhh yes the special snowflake defense..
OP - USMC gave you some great advice and you just went off on some tangent about how you are different...
if you do not want advice, then do not ask for it..
good luck with your starvation level diet .. I hope that you find something that works...
Oh yes, fantastic advice about doing the same thing I was doing before that was producing little to no results. That is certainly some amazing advice! Especially since the advice I asked for was about a specific diet and scale weight...way to avoid the point of the post.
you opened your diary, and it was identified that you are not accurately logging .."quick add calories" is not an accurate logging method...
get control of your logging, and you will get control of your weight loss ...
but if you want to just keep arguing that you are "special" and calorie deficit does not work for you ...then by all means, keep doing what you are doing, as it has resulted in such awesome success already ..
I suspect a troll in the force...
Oh brother...do you people not know how to pay attention? I probably used quick add calories once or twice for God's sake hahaha! And so that means I'm just not being accurate, never mind the other 90% of calories that WERE correctly logged. Sheesh talk about nitpicking. Yeah, maybe I logged 200 cals and I really ate 700! hahahaha! If you don't want to bother with reading posts that's really your problem, not mine.
And hey, if you think I'm a troll you must enjoy conversing with trolls then huh?0 -
Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
Obviously you have it all figured out. I definitely don't know anything about fat loss since I haven't been successful (I'm a competitive bodybuilder and I wouldn't dare treat my body the way you are treating yours). Good luck with your goals.
From Lyle McDonald: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.htmlhttp://youtu.be/KA9AdlhB18o
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? Show me where you offered me a suggestion of something I haven't done? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
ahhh yes the special snowflake defense..
OP - USMC gave you some great advice and you just went off on some tangent about how you are different...
if you do not want advice, then do not ask for it..
good luck with your starvation level diet .. I hope that you find something that works...
Oh yes, fantastic advice about doing the same thing I was doing before that was producing little to no results. That is certainly some amazing advice! Especially since the advice I asked for was about a specific diet and scale weight...way to avoid the point of the post.
you opened your diary, and it was identified that you are not accurately logging .."quick add calories" is not an accurate logging method...
get control of your logging, and you will get control of your weight loss ...
but if you want to just keep arguing that you are "special" and calorie deficit does not work for you ...then by all means, keep doing what you are doing, as it has resulted in such awesome success already ..
I suspect a troll in the force...
Oh brother...do you people not know how to pay attention? I probably used quick add calories once or twice for God's sake hahaha! And so that means I'm just not being accurate, never mind the other 90% of calories that WERE correctly logged. Sheesh talk about nitpicking. Yeah, maybe I logged 200 cals and I really ate 700! hahahaha! If you don't want to bother with reading posts that's really your problem, not mine.
And hey, if you think I'm a troll you must enjoy conversing with trolls then huh?
if you logged 200 and really ate 500 and did that three times a week that would be 1500 extra calories, which equates to about a half pound difference.
but it appears that you already have all the answers, so keep doing what you are doing ..sounds like a great plan0 -
Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.
USMC was obese, has PCOS, and is now a competitive body builder. If you do not want to follow advice from someone that has had that kind of transformation, then who are you going to listen to?????
So because she was obese and has PCOS that means we were in the same exact situation? Really? 1. I'm not obese 2. When I WAS obese I lost 2 stone and my weight loss stalled. 3. This diet I'm doing was set up by a fitness professional for people having difficulty on a more modest calorie deficit, I'm listening to HIM. Is there actually something fundamentally WRONG with that? I said many times I'm not looking for general weight loss advice. I've lost 2 stone myself, do you honestly think I know NOTHING about weight loss? and 4. Why would I listen to someone who accuses me of lying and tells me to do something I've already done before and that wasn't working for me JUST because it worked for them? Is not the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results? If I did this diet for a month and stopped losing weight I wouldn't keep doing it. As long as I'm losing weight I'm going to keep going, no matter how little I'm losing because it's the best results I've had in months.
I really don't see the problem here. I asked for advice about results on a specific diet and I am responding to people attacking me for doing it. You want to argue over a non-issue please go ahead.0 -
Well I'm going to have more tests on my thyroid in a few months, but I went to see an endocrinologist in the past and he told me my thyroid was fine so even if it is sluggish how do I get anyone to do anything if they refuse to accept there's a problem? Very little specialists I can see outside of this without a ton of money to go private.
What you said makes me think about a few years ago when I gained 12lbs over 9 days over Christmas. Now these judegmental people on here will say, "Well you must have been stuffing yourself with an excess of 2,000 cals a day!" but to me that is excessive. I wasn't counting calories so I can't say how much I was eating but eating 3,000 cals in one day makes me so full I want to puke so I can't see it likely that I was consuming over 4,000 a day. I don't have ALL the signs of hypothyroid though...I believe my body temp is normal even though my hands and feet are ALWAYS cold.
Did you have to pay to see a specialist? The problem I see even if I am found to have a slow thryoid is that the treatment is thyroxine which doesn't seem to be hugely effective when it comes to weight. My mom has a friend who's got weight problems, was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, given thyroxine, but still struggles to lose weight :-/. I'm sure it'd be worth a try...my GP said if my thyroid is still borderline in a few months they'd trial me on some but went on about side effects and this is why they're hesitant to prescribe it. How did they treat you if you don't mind me asking? What medications? I do agree that doctors should be looking at what's optimal and not what's ok because it's only JUST outside of range. This is the strange thing...my first test showed borderline (4.3 or something), then months later 2 more tests were both around 2 or so. Then most recent one was 4.22, so I'll have to wait to see what the next one says. I have nothing to lose though so I will try push the issue next time...Lord what a relief it would be to not have to suffer so bad just to lose a couple of pounds! I'm sorry you had bad experiences with people being nasty to you too. I really don't understand why people don't believe it's possible that we're all different and metabolic issues are a REAL thing. Them saying that because they can lose weight on a certain amount of calories you must be able to too is like saying to someone in a wheelchair, "Well I can walk, so you must be able to walk too!" but just because they can't SEE it they can't believe it. They can't SEE what your body is doing inside so they refuse to believe it's not working optimally. It's very very narrow-minded.
I'm pretty sure by the current standards, you're overt hypothyroid now. The "normal" levels for TSH used to be 0.5 - 5.0. As a few years ago, they adjusted that to 0.3 - 3.0, putting your ranges in the clearly hypothyroid area at 4+. Having different readings with no treatment is common with Hashi's as people with Hashi's swing from hypo to normal to hyper depending on how much the immune system is attacking the thyroid at any given time -- so that may be what's happening (that's exactly what happened to me). You really need the antibody tests (read that article I linked to) -- some with Hashi's still won't show antibodies but the vast majority will. You need to find a doctor that can help you with this. Far too many docs and endos are terrible with this -- seriously, go to thyroid websites and you'll see such stories all the time. As I said, I saw 4 docs before I got where I needed to be -- 2 primary care and 2 actual endos. Plus, if you read that article I shared, it explains why if you have the antibodies of Hashi's, how many of the tests are ineffective as they don't know how much of the free T3 and T4 the antibodies are binding up and making ineffective. I too have a normal body temp and my hands and feet were cold ALL the time. You totally sound hypo, in some variation or another.
Unfortunately, I did end up going private and it is costly (first visit was $600, follow up visits $400 -- but I only have to see him once a year now). But, man, did I wish I'd spent the thousand+ (after the first few visits and all the labs) 10+ years ago as my insurance docs weren't getting it done at all. For me, I pay my doc directly and then he orders labs/tests through my insurance. If you go to thyroid sites, people will recommend folks or send you to sites for referrals for docs who specialize in thyroid (some are endos, some are family practitioners with an emphasis there, etc.).
If you can't go private at all, I'd start doing the research yourself about these tests and challenging your doctor on it. www.stopthethyroidmadness.com is good resource and you'll find soooo many people with similar stories to yours. You can also have labs done yourself through places like quest and mymedlab if your doctor refuses to order them. And, if none of that works, find a new doctor and keep looking for one that can answer these issues on thyroid.
As for treatment, I tried both synthetics (Synthroid which is just T4) but ended up preferring Nature-throid (which is a combination T3 and T4 drug -- it's natural dessicated thyroid). And it's cheap -- like less than $10/month -- and has been around many, many years. Some endos prefer the synthetics because the dosing in more precise and consistent, but the natural dessicated thyroid is still pretty good (and many docs like mine says the differential is negligible) -- and for whatever reason, some people like me just do better on it. In the end, I'm more concerned about symptoms than anything else and that works for me. In thyroid forums, you'll see big debates about synthetics (synthroid, cytomel) versus natural dessicated thyroid (Nature-throid, Armour, etc.). Personally, I wonder if the synthetic bias isn't somewhat linked to kickbacks to doctors.
As for the weight issues, thyroid is only part of the problem sometimes. For example, when we were investigating thyroid, he looked at a lot of stuff that can contribute to the overall picture -- adrenal issues, liver issues, blood/glucose issues, vitamin deficiencies, etc. He said if something is off (especially adrenal), you can first feel awful on thyroid treatment because another part of the equation is off (because when thyroid goes off, it can cause a cascade of things). So, before I started on thyroid treatment, he wanted to make sure everything else was where it should be -- and that's when he found the insulin resistance and vitamin D and magnesium deficiencies (which can also contribute to difficulty losing weight). So, it's totally possible that your mother's friend is fine as far as her thyroid goes (or it could be be undermedicated), but have some other issues like adrenal fatigue or insulin resistance which is creating a roadblock to weight loss.
And, thyroid medication doesn't make you lose weight per se. You still have to put in the hard work in diet and exercise (but you seem to have that part well under control). It just evens the playing field and means that people like us will be able to lose weight like a "normal" person. And that's exactly what happened for me once I got it all sorted out. But, man, do I wish I'd known this 10+ years ago. I could have stopped that sysphian struggle a long time ago.
As for the nasty people here (i.e. not the people that are genuinely helpful and kind). I figure it's either a fear thing --- they want things to be simple, so they insist on forcing those round pegs into square holes in order to comfort themselves about such issues -- or, like a lot of internet trolls, they're just sadists looking for vulnerable people to pick on. It's how they get their rocks off. I really wish the moderators actually moderated this because such disrespectful behavior is totally unnecessary and just drives people away. It will hurt them more in the end.
And the funny thing about the whole "special snowflake" thing some people throw around, it turns out I was that special snowflake apparently. Though, I've since learned, there are quite a few of us out there. For example, the American Thyroid Association estimates something like 20 million Americans have a thyroid disorder (60% of which are undiagnosed) and 12% of the population will have one at some point in their lives. Or, insulin resistance numbers are estimated at 80 million Americans or 25% of the population. That's a LOT of special snowflakes. Once you add in other things like adrenal issues, liver issues, diabetes, PCOS, etc. -- the numbers are pretty significant. If people are truly doing the eating and exercising and calculating of such faithfully as you appear to be, they probably are one of those special snowflakes.0 -
Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.
USMC was obese, has PCOS, and is now a competitive body builder. If you do not want to follow advice from someone that has had that kind of transformation, then who are you going to listen to?????
So because she was obese and has PCOS that means we were in the same exact situation? Really? 1. I'm not obese 2. When I WAS obese I lost 2 stone and my weight loss stalled. 3. This diet I'm doing was set up by a fitness professional for people having difficulty on a more modest calorie deficit, I'm listening to HIM. Is there actually something fundamentally WRONG with that? I said many times I'm not looking for general weight loss advice. I've lost 2 stone myself, do you honestly think I know NOTHING about weight loss? and 4. Why would I listen to someone who accuses me of lying and tells me to do something I've already done before and that wasn't working for me JUST because it worked for them? Is not the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results? If I did this diet for a month and stopped losing weight I wouldn't keep doing it. As long as I'm losing weight I'm going to keep going, no matter how little I'm losing because it's the best results I've had in months.
I really don't see the problem here. I asked for advice about results on a specific diet and I am responding to people attacking me for doing it. You want to argue over a non-issue please go ahead.
wow, you really do not get it to do you...?
why would you not take advice from someone that has successfully transformed themselves?
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Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
Obviously you have it all figured out. I definitely don't know anything about fat loss since I haven't been successful (I'm a competitive bodybuilder and I wouldn't dare treat my body the way you are treating yours). Good luck with your goals.
From Lyle McDonald: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.htmlhttp://youtu.be/KA9AdlhB18o
I never said you don't know anything about fat loss, did I? I said you have obviously found what is right for YOU but that doesn't mean you know what is right for ME. Everybody is different. Some diets work for some and not others and vice versa. If we were all the same then we'd all have the same amount of success on every diet but that's just not the case, is it? 1. You're male and I'm female. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. 2. You are a bodybuilder, I am not. DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 3. I have a metabolic disorder, you don't. DIFFERENT METABOLIC RATES. and 4. Obesity runs in my family, I assume it doesn't in yours. DIFFERENT GENES. What exactly about you and I are the same? Are you not aware of the numerous studies that show that women with PCOS have lower BMRs than women without it?
The article from Lyle is not relevant. I HAVE tried everything. I have already said I've tried a moderate calorie diet, didn't I? Show me where you offered me a suggestion of something I haven't done? I've tried a number of things so how does that show that I am not willing to try anything different? I've been on this diet for two goddamn weeks and suddenly I'm some sort of moron who won't try anything different? This IS trying something different! And as I've noted (several times actually) I AM making progress, just not as much as I expected but I'm making a darn sight more progress than I was on any other diet. This is the kind of weight loss I'd EXPECT on one of those moderate calorie diets, but yet since that's all I'm getting well I must be lying. I've never claimed I'm gaining weight on 1,000 cals a day. I've never said I don't believe in calories in=calories out, you just refuse to believe that I'm not calculating the CORRECT amount of calories or that it's impossible to determine exactly how many calories I'm expending. I never said I won't lose weight on 1500 calories, I probably would, at a rate of 1lb every 2 months. Am I happy to lose weight at such a slow pace? No! I don't have it all figured out, no one does. Hence why I've tried a number of different approaches and done a ton of research so I'd say I know more about weight loss than the average person. I ask a simple question about a diet I've been on for 2 weeks and all I get is nasty criticism.
I don't know why people come on here and choose to be so ignorant and judgemental and accusatory. What is the point exactly? Do you really believe you are helping anyone apart from your own ego? Honestly...
ahhh yes the special snowflake defense..
OP - USMC gave you some great advice and you just went off on some tangent about how you are different...
if you do not want advice, then do not ask for it..
good luck with your starvation level diet .. I hope that you find something that works...
Oh yes, fantastic advice about doing the same thing I was doing before that was producing little to no results. That is certainly some amazing advice! Especially since the advice I asked for was about a specific diet and scale weight...way to avoid the point of the post.
you opened your diary, and it was identified that you are not accurately logging .."quick add calories" is not an accurate logging method...
get control of your logging, and you will get control of your weight loss ...
but if you want to just keep arguing that you are "special" and calorie deficit does not work for you ...then by all means, keep doing what you are doing, as it has resulted in such awesome success already ..
I suspect a troll in the force...
Oh brother...do you people not know how to pay attention? I probably used quick add calories once or twice for God's sake hahaha! And so that means I'm just not being accurate, never mind the other 90% of calories that WERE correctly logged. Sheesh talk about nitpicking. Yeah, maybe I logged 200 cals and I really ate 700! hahahaha! If you don't want to bother with reading posts that's really your problem, not mine.
And hey, if you think I'm a troll you must enjoy conversing with trolls then huh?
if you logged 200 and really ate 500 and did that three times a week that would be 1500 extra calories, which equates to about a half pound difference.
but it appears that you already have all the answers, so keep doing what you are doing ..sounds like a great plan
I agree, but I'm not doing that. I have TWO free days a week. I do extra exercise or eat less to make up for any possible underestimation but EVEN IF I underestimated 300 cals on each free day, that's still only 600 cals and when my calculated deficit is over 5000 that is AT LEAST 1lb of fat. I have told you that I am accurate 5 days a week. If you don't understand this I'm sorry but there is no hope for you.
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Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.
USMC was obese, has PCOS, and is now a competitive body builder. If you do not want to follow advice from someone that has had that kind of transformation, then who are you going to listen to?????
So because she was obese and has PCOS that means we were in the same exact situation? Really? 1. I'm not obese 2. When I WAS obese I lost 2 stone and my weight loss stalled. 3. This diet I'm doing was set up by a fitness professional for people having difficulty on a more modest calorie deficit, I'm listening to HIM. Is there actually something fundamentally WRONG with that? I said many times I'm not looking for general weight loss advice. I've lost 2 stone myself, do you honestly think I know NOTHING about weight loss? and 4. Why would I listen to someone who accuses me of lying and tells me to do something I've already done before and that wasn't working for me JUST because it worked for them? Is not the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results? If I did this diet for a month and stopped losing weight I wouldn't keep doing it. As long as I'm losing weight I'm going to keep going, no matter how little I'm losing because it's the best results I've had in months.
I really don't see the problem here. I asked for advice about results on a specific diet and I am responding to people attacking me for doing it. You want to argue over a non-issue please go ahead.
wow, you really do not get it to do you...?
why would you not take advice from someone that has successfully transformed themselves?
Again, as you are doing so well with your own progress, you obviously have all the answers...
I don't get it? What don't I get? I must do what someone who knows very little about me says because they've lost weight when I've done the same thing? Should I listen to the guy who ate potatoes for a month because HE lost weight?Should I listen to someone who's lost a ton of weight doing Atkins even though the same diet did not work for me? It's clearly you who doesn't get it. Really.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
Uh, sorry, am I missing something? Where exactly do you see that I'm not creating a calorie deficit and counting my calories? What is a PSMF other than a way to create a large calorie deficit and preserve lean muscle mass??
do whatever it is you're going to do. i'm too old to bicker with intentionally obtuse people.
count calories. don't count calories. follow fad diets. don't follow fad diets. i couldn't care less at this point.
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As for the nasty people here (i.e. not the people that are genuinely helpful and kind). I figure it's either a fear thing --- they want things to be simple, so they insist on forcing those round pegs into square holes in order to comfort themselves about such issues. Or, like a lot of internet trolls, they're just sadists looking for vulnerable people to pick on. It's how they get their rocks off. I really wish the moderators actually moderated this because such disrespectful behavior is totally unnecessary and just drives people away. It will hurt them more in the end.
really, who was the mean to the OP? She asked for advice, people looked at her diary, and suggested an alternate path and that her logging was not consistent? The OP then went off on a rant against the very people that offered helpful advice. No one was disrespectful, you really need to get over yourself.
If believing in a calorie deficit makes us "simple" then so be it. But at the and of the day for anyone to lose weight you are going to have to have a negative energy balance, i.e. calorie deficit to lose weight, period, end of story.
And yes, we are all "scared" that is why we recommend "simple" things...rolling eyez.....
Maybe it is just that we have had success doing it the "simple way" and see no need for complex methods of weight loss. Look at USMC's story and tell me why you would not follow someone's "simple" advice that went from an obese person to a competitive body builder??? But I guess that is too "simple" for you to understand.0 -
That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
On the medical conditions, that's totally wrong. Some affect TDEE, some have completely different effects on metabolism so the usual assumptions for metabolic reactions in BMR and TDEE calculations are no longer the same. For example, difference in glucose metabolism with insulin resistance. Same for certain thyroid conditions.
That's why certain medications can create big changes in weight -- and it's not from incredible/immediate drops or increases in TDEE or BMR.
so the laws of physics are wrong and you are right?
once again, you've missed a golden opportunity to remain silent.
TDEE is simply a term for the actual number of calories you burn in a day. i didn't say that it was necessarily derived from equations.
SMDH.
No, the law of physics are correct. You simply don't understand how to apply them correctly.0 -
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Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
You asked for help.
Someone honestly tried to help you.
That someone was not being offensive.
However, you're offended.
Come back & re-read this in a few days, when you're feeling less vulnerable.
How is calling someone a liar not offensive? I don't see how telling me I'm lying about my calorie consumption is of any help to anyone. The fact you actually believe that to be helpful is very sad. The fact that you felt the need to pipe up just to have a dig is even more sad.0 -
I'm curious...if you keep saying "what works for someone else won't work for me..." Then why are you asking?0
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Ok I've made my diary public, however, on my "free" days I don't always count all calories but I make sure it's no more than 200 calories more than what's in my diary (those days are a Weds and a Sat). I am really not one of those people who just munches on things randomly or estimates consumption. If I snack on something it's after it's accounted for and weighed. The extras I have on my cheat days may be something like 5 almonds, one chocolate and a piece of fruit. You can choose to not believe me if you want but that's the truth. Also, the first week I was very ill so one day shows only 200 calories taken in all day and that's accurate because I was too ill to eat anything else.
I looked back through your diary. There were days you were eating 2000 calories and they didn't look accurate. There were days you had quick add calories, which tells me you are NOT accurate. The moment you stop lying to yourself you will see results. You are eating more than you think you are.
I did the calculations for you and here is my suggestion: For the next month eat 1500 calories every day on the dot while being 100% accurate. If you can't weigh it or account for it perfectly do not eat it. Get at least 110g of protein. Start strength training.
I don't know if you are ignoring my posts or if you're just trying to be arrogant but I already explained that those days with 2000 or so cals are my free days and on those days I have slipped up by around 200 cals which would not make a big dent in my deficit. As I said above, 90% of my cals are accurate. All other days every morsel is accounted for apart from maybe a few lettuce leaves and some cucumber. Nothing that could make much of an impact on the deficit. I don't see any point in lying to myself or anyone else. I'd be wasting everyone's time including my own. Who are you to say that my diary doesn't "look" accurate?? Am I missing something about how an accurate diary should look?? And in general if I haven't logged all my cals for the day I don't click the complete button at the bottom. If you really wanted to be nitpicky you could go over the last 2 weeks and check which days I completed my diary and which I didn't!
I didn't make this post to ask for how anyone else thinks I should be eating to lose weight. There's a very good reason why I've chosen this diet and why I am NOT going to do what you suggest. And the last time I checked there was such a thing as freedom of choice. It's my choice. Why do you feel the need to put me down for that? Does it make you feel important or good about yourself? I actually find this diet to be far more sustainable for me than a moderate calorie deficit that forces me to eat at the exact same cals EVERY day for months on end! Do you not think I've been there, done that? It's not for me. I'm doing what is sustainable for me based on experience because, you know, we're not all the same! When are people going to realise that and drop the judgemental "know it all" attitude? I don't know why I expected more from people on this site, I've seen it so many times before. You've found what works for you obviously, that's great. Does that mean that you know what will work for me or have any right to tell me I'm lying to myself? I don't think so. If you really want to believe that I am underestimating my calories by more than 4,000 a week despite everything I've said then please take your suggestions and give them to someone who wants them. You obviously have trouble believing that someone could be at a large deficit and not losing much weight and that's just ignorant. All I'm trying to do is find out why and fix the problem. If you think a 1500 calorie diet is going to generate more weight loss than my current diet then you must think there are over 6000 calories unaccounted for in my week! What would even be the point in taking the time to fill in a food diary if you were going to be THAT inaccurate?? Wow. I didn't realise I came across as so damn stupid. Stupid enough to trust people to look at my food diary, maybe even read the notes where I am brutally honest, and not start calling me a liar because that's the ONLY possible explanation for my lack of weight loss. Can't possibly have anything to do with water retention or a slow metabolism or some other factor. Ignore all the other ways I said I've tried to lose weight in the past because someone who so blatantly LIES would not put in that much effort and years of their life to fix their health. I assume your suggestion is based on some average calculations yet I don't believe anything I've said should give the impression that I'm an average female with a healthy metabolism. If I really wanted some idea of what an average female needs to lose weight, I wouldn't need you to give it to me.
Oh and by the way, I'm a training Nutritionist. Wasting time trying to lose weight whilst lying about it would not only be pointless in my personal life but also my professional life. But thanks for being a good example of a general faceless internet know it all.
You asked for help.
Someone honestly tried to help you.
That someone was not being offensive.
However, you're offended.
Come back & re-read this in a few days, when you're feeling less vulnerable.
How is calling someone a liar not offensive? I don't see how telling me I'm lying about my calorie consumption is of any help to anyone. The fact you actually believe that to be helpful is very sad. The fact that you felt the need to pipe up just to have a dig is even more sad.
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Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).0
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As for the nasty people here (i.e. not the people that are genuinely helpful and kind). I figure it's either a fear thing --- they want things to be simple, so they insist on forcing those round pegs into square holes in order to comfort themselves about such issues. Or, like a lot of internet trolls, they're just sadists looking for vulnerable people to pick on. It's how they get their rocks off. I really wish the moderators actually moderated this because such disrespectful behavior is totally unnecessary and just drives people away. It will hurt them more in the end.
really, who was the mean to the OP? She asked for advice, people looked at her diary, and suggested an alternate path and that her logging was not consistent? The OP then went off on a rant against the very people that offered helpful advice. No one was disrespectful, you really need to get over yourself.
If believing in a calorie deficit makes us "simple" then so be it. But at the and of the day for anyone to lose weight you are going to have to have a negative energy balance, i.e. calorie deficit to lose weight, period, end of story.
And yes, we are all "scared" that is why we recommend "simple" things...rolling eyez.....
Maybe it is just that we have had success doing it the "simple way" and see no need for complex methods of weight loss. Look at USMC's story and tell me why you would not follow someone's "simple" advice that went from an obese person to a competitive body builder??? But I guess that is too "simple" for you to understand.
You seem to lack the understanding of 1. What advice I asked for and 2. what advice actually IS. Advice is NOT calling someone a liar because their food diary is 10% inaccurate and I never asked for general weight loss advice so don't tell me I did. I asked for advice on scale weight and the PSMF from people who've tried it. What did I get? Criticisms for doing the diet, told I'm lying to myself and accused of being a troll. I'd say those things qualify as being disrespectful.
No one's arguing about a calorie deficit. You just refuse to believe I'm creating one, up to you really.0 -
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That's your opinion. If a fad is trying different ways of eating and seeing how your body responds then I'm fine with that. Sometimes you have to change things up to get the weight off, that's the truth of the matter I'm afraid. Everyone stalls and everyone has to change things to get things going again. Whether it's a fad or not, trying something different is just that. I call it experimentation but hey ho, potato potaato. You must have a strange idea of the definition of trying something different.
my definition is simple.
on a calorie counting site like this, "trying something different" simply means stop following stupid fad diets and start following science. count your calories. if you want to lose weight, that's the answer. the only effect that medical conditions have on calorie counting is to adjust your true TDEE. once you know those adjustments, you can choose your calorie goal to eat at a deficit.
On the medical conditions, that's totally wrong. Some affect TDEE, some have completely different effects on metabolism so the usual assumptions for metabolic reactions in BMR and TDEE calculations are no longer the same. For example, difference in glucose metabolism with insulin resistance. Same for certain thyroid conditions.
That's why certain medications can create big changes in weight -- and it's not from incredible/immediate drops or increases in TDEE or BMR.
so the laws of physics are wrong and you are right?
once again, you've missed a golden opportunity to remain silent.
TDEE is simply a term for the actual number of calories you burn in a day. i didn't say that it was necessarily derived from equations.
SMDH.
No, the law of physics are correct. You simply don't understand how to apply them correctly.
unless she's photosynthesizing, she's not going to magically gain weight (i.e. not retained water) eating at a calorie deficit no matter how many medical conditions she has.0 -
Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
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You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.
USMC was obese, has PCOS, and is now a competitive body builder. If you do not want to follow advice from someone that has had that kind of transformation, then who are you going to listen to?????
So because she was obese and has PCOS that means we were in the same exact situation? Really? 1. I'm not obese 2. When I WAS obese I lost 2 stone and my weight loss stalled. 3. This diet I'm doing was set up by a fitness professional for people having difficulty on a more modest calorie deficit, I'm listening to HIM. Is there actually something fundamentally WRONG with that? I said many times I'm not looking for general weight loss advice. I've lost 2 stone myself, do you honestly think I know NOTHING about weight loss? and 4. Why would I listen to someone who accuses me of lying and tells me to do something I've already done before and that wasn't working for me JUST because it worked for them? Is not the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results? If I did this diet for a month and stopped losing weight I wouldn't keep doing it. As long as I'm losing weight I'm going to keep going, no matter how little I'm losing because it's the best results I've had in months.
I really don't see the problem here. I asked for advice about results on a specific diet and I am responding to people attacking me for doing it. You want to argue over a non-issue please go ahead.
wow, you really do not get it to do you...?
why would you not take advice from someone that has successfully transformed themselves?
Again, as you are doing so well with your own progress, you obviously have all the answers...
No...she doesn't get it and won't get it. No matter how many times she's given great advice.
OP - You've been given some really great advice on this thread. Sorry you don't like it.
I do suspect that you only posted because you hoped someone would come along and pat you on the back and say great idea! I did it and it worked! Then I bet your tune would change and you'd want to know how and every little thing they did. You're not going to get that here. Why? Because MFP doesn't promote unhealthy weight loss ideas with any VLCD and it's against their TOS.
There was someone on here that you really should have listened to and you were HORRIBLY rude to that person and others on here and all you want to do is stand there and say "I'm different, I'm special". No, sorry you're not.
The truth is the closer you get to your weight goal the closer to maintenance you should be eating. The closer to goal you get you should be aiming for .5 lbs a week, which is healthy.
You said you already have a slow metabolism. You know what starving yourself is going to do? Make it even slower. So have fun wrecking your metabolism. It won't be so easy to fix it.
Instead of getting mad at the people here giving you wonderful advice maybe you should take your question to your doctor. Get them to help you out and decide what's best. Because obviously, someone who was just like you, oh I mean, you guys were similar because I know that you are "special", well they worked their hard, they lost the weight and yet, that's just not good enough for you. That's just not good enough for you to even CONSIDER listening to.
So just stop getting mad at the people who were trying to help you because you don't actually want help, so you shouldn't have asked for any advice on anything in the first place.
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Usually I am not this person but you already denied all the other advice: If you are not losing it it because you do not have a big enough deficit, cut out more.0
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I'm curious...if you keep saying "what works for someone else won't work for me..." Then why are you asking?
I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. I asked a question based on my personal circumstances and was interested to hear others' experiences on this diet. I also didn't say what works for someone else WON'T work for me, I just said that what works for someone doesn't mean it WILL work for me. Plus that's a guarantee for anything I've tried before.0 -
OP asks for advice and welcomes discussion, gets defensive when people offer said advice and provide discussion. Go home OP, you drunk.
Show me how I'm getting the advice I asked for? I asked for suggestions of why my progress has been slow and I get told I'm lying about my calorie intake. That doesn't add to the discussion or offer any insight because it's an incorrect accusation. You must be a troll.
OP, you stated about that your weight loss is going slow. With not a lot to lose, it's going to be slow. The other poster wasn't trying to call you a liar, just pointing out the fact that with PCOS and not that much to lose, you have to hold yourself SEVERELY accountable. Make sure that you've refigured your TDEE after each 5lb loss.
Try not to get so offensive. Progress is progress, even if it takes you longer. It's taken me almost 5 months to lose 10lbs.0 -
Usually I am not this person but you already denied all the other advice: If you are not losing it it because you do not have a big enough deficit, cut out more.
That's one of the most helpful insights I've received. I am definitely going to cut down on my free days. Thank you0 -
Just throwing this out there now....
Inb4 OP deactivates0 -
F it, I'm in.
OP - I'll guarantee that you aren't following Lyle's plan properly. How often is your refeed and free meal?0 -
OP asks for advice and welcomes discussion, gets defensive when people offer said advice and provide discussion. Go home OP, you drunk.
Show me how I'm getting the advice I asked for? I asked for suggestions of why my progress has been slow and I get told I'm lying about my calorie intake. That doesn't add to the discussion or offer any insight because it's an incorrect accusation. You must be a troll.
OP, you stated about that your weight loss is going slow. With not a lot to lose, it's going to be slow. The other poster wasn't trying to call you a liar, just pointing out the fact that with PCOS and not that much to lose, you have to hold yourself SEVERELY accountable. Make sure that you've refigured your TDEE after each 5lb loss.
Try not to get so offensive. Progress is progress, even if it takes you longer. It's taken me almost 5 months to lose 10lbs.
It was just that the calorie deficit didn't match expected loss and that's what I was curious about. People are suggesting my calorie intake is much higher than what I'm logging and I got a bit sick of saying over and over how accurate I was being only to be told I wasn't. On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.0 -
Bwahahahaha
Good luck OP, you're going to need it, I agree with her and the others that said you aren't accurate.
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Kickboxing Class Attender
Been in fitness for about 2 years and have studied kitty-gif-ology, nutrition and Dinosaurs
Oh that's nice, I don't really care what you think
You should, you really should, I was successful....
Also the woman you brushed off with the exact same circumstances as you shows me you aren't here to succeed, good luck.
I.C.E. Cream Official Tester
IKEA Professional Put Together-er
Kickboxing Class Attender
Been in fitness for about 2 years and have studied kitty-gif-ology, nutrition and Dinosaurs
You were successful at what exactly? And who did I brush off that had the exact same circumstances as me? Is there someone else on here with my same body type, height, age, who has also tried the PSMF? Because if you paid any attention you'd see that's what the thread is about. I didn't ask how I should lose weight, I asked for simple advice from anyone knowledgeable about this particular diet. If I wanted to lose weight at a snail's pace and count my calories for the rest of my life then I'd do a moderate calorie diet. But I don't. If that means I don't want to succeed to you then fine, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions. Doesn't mean I have to care or agree.
USMC was obese, has PCOS, and is now a competitive body builder. If you do not want to follow advice from someone that has had that kind of transformation, then who are you going to listen to?????
So because she was obese and has PCOS that means we were in the same exact situation? Really? 1. I'm not obese 2. When I WAS obese I lost 2 stone and my weight loss stalled. 3. This diet I'm doing was set up by a fitness professional for people having difficulty on a more modest calorie deficit, I'm listening to HIM. Is there actually something fundamentally WRONG with that? I said many times I'm not looking for general weight loss advice. I've lost 2 stone myself, do you honestly think I know NOTHING about weight loss? and 4. Why would I listen to someone who accuses me of lying and tells me to do something I've already done before and that wasn't working for me JUST because it worked for them? Is not the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results? If I did this diet for a month and stopped losing weight I wouldn't keep doing it. As long as I'm losing weight I'm going to keep going, no matter how little I'm losing because it's the best results I've had in months.
I really don't see the problem here. I asked for advice about results on a specific diet and I am responding to people attacking me for doing it. You want to argue over a non-issue please go ahead.
wow, you really do not get it to do you...?
why would you not take advice from someone that has successfully transformed themselves?
Again, as you are doing so well with your own progress, you obviously have all the answers...
No...she doesn't get it and won't get it. No matter how many times she's given great advice.
OP - You've been given some really great advice on this thread. Sorry you don't like it.
I do suspect that you only posted because you hoped someone would come along and pat you on the back and say great idea! I did it and it worked! Then I bet your tune would change and you'd want to know how and every little thing they did. You're not going to get that here. Why? Because MFP doesn't promote unhealthy weight loss ideas with any VLCD and it's against their TOS.
There was someone on here that you really should have listened to and you were HORRIBLY rude to that person and others on here and all you want to do is stand there and say "I'm different, I'm special". No, sorry you're not.
The truth is the closer you get to your weight goal the closer to maintenance you should be eating. The closer to goal you get you should be aiming for .5 lbs a week, which is healthy.
You said you already have a slow metabolism. You know what starving yourself is going to do? Make it even slower. So have fun wrecking your metabolism. It won't be so easy to fix it.
Instead of getting mad at the people here giving you wonderful advice maybe you should take your question to your doctor. Get them to help you out and decide what's best. Because obviously, someone who was just like you, oh I mean, you guys were similar because I know that you are "special", well they worked their hard, they lost the weight and yet, that's just not good enough for you. That's just not good enough for you to even CONSIDER listening to.
So just stop getting mad at the people who were trying to help you because you don't actually want help, so you shouldn't have asked for any advice on anything in the first place.
Thanks for yet another "know it all" ignorant response. You can get off your soap box now you must feel so good about yourself. Have a good evening 0 -
F it, I'm in.
OP - I'll guarantee that you aren't following Lyle's plan properly. How often is your refeed and free meal?
My free meal is once a week and refeed is once a week. That's correct for Cat 2. Can you offer any advice on how I might be doing it wrong? I do think there's a good chance I'm eating too much with my free meals and refeeds.0
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