Happy Saturday, Let's Talk Sugar . . .
SunofaBeach14
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I'm sharing this link that was posted recently by Alan Aragon on his FB page. It provides a good overview of our state of knowledge on HFCS and fructose. If you want good research-based nutrition information and you don't know who Alan Aragon is then I highly recommend that you go introduce yourself to his website and blog.
http://m.advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/236.long
The conclusion (to save those who don't want to read the entire article):
http://m.advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/236.long
The conclusion (to save those who don't want to read the entire article):
So, what do we really know about the metabolism, endocrine responses, and health effects of sucrose, HFCS, and fructose? At present, we believe that the following conclusions are warranted. First, there is no unique relationship between HFCS and obesity. Second, there is broad scientific consensus that there are no significant metabolic or endocrine response differences or differences in health-related effects between HFCS and sucrose. Third, the metabolism and health effects of both HFCS and sucrose are different from those observed in studies that compare pure fructose with pure glucose, neither of which is consumed to any appreciable degree in the human diet. Fourth, recent randomized clinical trials have suggested that there are no adverse effects on total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol or HDL cholesterol at amounts ranging up to the 90th percentile level of fructose consumption, although other investigators have shown increases in cholesterol and/or LDL cholesterol in subjects consuming either sucrose or HFCS (66, 68–70), so further research studies are needed to clarify this issue. There is, however, a reliable increase in triglycerides from consumption of elevated levels of carbohydrates (particularly simple sugars), which merits further exploration.
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I'm sharing this link that was posted recently by Alan Aragon on his FB page. It provides a good overview of our state of knowledge on HFCS and fructose. If you want good research-based nutrition information and you don't know who Alan Aragon is then I highly recommend that you go introduce yourself to his website and blog.
http://m.advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/236.long
The conclusion (to save those who don't want to read the entire article):
So, what do we really know about the metabolism, endocrine responses, and health effects of sucrose, HFCS, and fructose? At present, we believe that the following conclusions are warranted. First, there is no unique relationship between HFCS and obesity. Second, there is broad scientific consensus that there are no significant metabolic or endocrine response differences or differences in health-related effects between HFCS and sucrose. Third, the metabolism and health effects of both HFCS and sucrose are different from those observed in studies that compare pure fructose with pure glucose, neither of which is consumed to any appreciable degree in the human diet. Fourth, recent randomized clinical trials have suggested that there are no adverse effects on total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol or HDL cholesterol at amounts ranging up to the 90th percentile level of fructose consumption, although other investigators have shown increases in cholesterol and/or LDL cholesterol in subjects consuming either sucrose or HFCS (66, 68–70), so further research studies are needed to clarify this issue. There is, however, a reliable increase in triglycerides from consumption of elevated levels of carbohydrates (particularly simple sugars), which merits further exploration.
Thanks for the Cliff Notes, but this was tough to read before coffee
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Was going to say "yea, that meets my understanding", then read the first part of the post and that'd be because I've already gone through it a while ago
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Based only on the conclusion paragraph you posted, this looks like good stuff, totally in line with what I understand to be the actual scientific understanding (as opposed to media-hype bull). Will definitely add this site to my list to read.
I think the only real "evil" from HFCS is that we subsidize corn production so much, that it has become extremely cheap and extremely profitable to add this form of sugar to everything, vastly increasing the amount of sugars/carbs that sneak into the typical American diet.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
Agreed. He provides great guidance and help with cutting through the amazing amount of bad "information" out there.0 -
In B4 the naysayers0
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In B4 the naysayers
They'll show up eventually, but hopefully some newbs with reasoning skills will get it.0 -
Thank you -- here were the takeaway points for me:
-further research studies are needed
-There is, however, a reliable increase in triglycerides from consumption of elevated levels of carbohydrates (particularly simple sugars), which merits further exploration"
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-The symposium was sponsored by the American Society for Nutrition and supported in part by an educational grant from the Corn Refiners Association.
-Author disclosures: J. M. Rippe, consulting fees from ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association, and Weight Watchers International.
American Society for Nutrition
The American Society for Nutrition is dedicated to bringing together the top nutrition researchers, medical practitioners, policy makers with industry leaders to advance our knowledge and application of nutrition. As such, ASN values its strong partnership with the nutrition industry and related sectors. Whether your concern is playing a part in the nutrition community, advancing your product development or monitoring market risks and opportunities, ASN offers you what you need to meet your organizational goals. A tremendous variety of companies - including food, biosciences and biotechnology, pharmaceutical, feed and agriculture, personal and health care and nutritional products companies - view ASN as the key for access to the nutrition marketplace. http://www.nutrition.org/our-members/corporate-members/0 -
Too much basic clarity and straightforwardness. Not enough conspiracy and blame and victimization. Therefore inappropriate for general MFP consumption. Thread and OP reported.0
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Thank you -- here were the takeaway points for me:
-further research studies are needed
-There is, however, a reliable increase in triglycerides from consumption of elevated levels of carbohydrates (particularly simple sugars), which merits further exploration"
And
-The symposium was sponsored by the American Society for Nutrition and supported in part by an educational grant from the Corn Refiners Association.
-Author disclosures: J. M. Rippe, consulting fees from ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association, and Weight Watchers International.
American Society for Nutrition
The American Society for Nutrition is dedicated to bringing together the top nutrition researchers, medical practitioners, policy makers with industry leaders to advance our knowledge and application of nutrition. As such, ASN values its strong partnership with the nutrition industry and related sectors. Whether your concern is playing a part in the nutrition community, advancing your product development or monitoring market risks and opportunities, ASN offers you what you need to meet your organizational goals. A tremendous variety of companies - including food, biosciences and biotechnology, pharmaceutical, feed and agriculture, personal and health care and nutritional products companies - view ASN as the key for access to the nutrition marketplace. http://www.nutrition.org/our-members/corporate-members/
Impressive use of hints at conspiracy and missing the big picture. :flowerforyou:0 -
Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!
P.S. - I'm not a sugar is evil advocate - just eat in moderation (right)!0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?0 -
Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!
Published and peer reviewed studies are there to be reviewed and criticized on their merits, not because of who financed them. It is incredibly ignorant to challenge a study solely based on who financed it. Someone has to, and the two major choices are industry and government (and throw in private universities), all of which will have biases. Again, that is one of the purposes of the review process.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?0 -
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Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!
Published and peer reviewed studies are there to be reviewed and criticized on their merits, not because of who financed them. It is incredibly ignorant to challenge a study solely based on who financed it. Someone has to, and the two major choices are industry and government (and throw in private universities), all of which will have biases. Again, that is one of the purposes of the review process.
Not really ignorant just realistic! Its incredibly naïve to take every study published (and even peer reviewed) as not having a biases outcome.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.0 -
Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!
Published and peer reviewed studies are there to be reviewed and criticized on their merits, not because of who financed them. It is incredibly ignorant to challenge a study solely based on who financed it. Someone has to, and the two major choices are industry and government (and throw in private universities), all of which will have biases. Again, that is one of the purposes of the review process.
Not really ignorant just realistic! Its incredibly naïve to take every study published (and even peer reviewed) as not having a biases outcome.
Again, that's what the review process is for. If anyone has legitimate suspicions then the data is available for others to go through. Everyone has biases, and again government, industry, and private universities all have them. That is why we have the scientific method, double blind studies, and the peer review process.0 -
Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!
Published and peer reviewed studies are there to be reviewed and criticized on their merits, not because of who financed them. It is incredibly ignorant to challenge a study solely based on who financed it. Someone has to, and the two major choices are industry and government (and throw in private universities), all of which will have biases. Again, that is one of the purposes of the review process.
Not really ignorant just realistic! Its incredibly naïve to take every study published (and even peer reviewed) as not having a biases outcome.
A hypothesis is typically a bias.0 -
Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
No coy, I don't really know much about the guy. I'm just wondering why you seem so sensitive about the criticism about the study.
It seems there's a lot of love in the room for the word of Alan - I just found it a bit weird. I've been on the forums for the past couple of months today his name seems to be cropping up on a few threads.
I'm not anti sugar, personally I think that most case studies done are flawed as they are basing their studies on unrealistic consumption levels (in the real world).0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
No coy, I don't really know much about the guy. I'm just wondering why you seem so sensitive about the criticism about the study.
It seems there's a lot of love in the room for the word of Alan - I just found it a bit weird. I've been on the forums for the past couple of months today his name seems to be cropping up on a few threads.
I'm not anti sugar, personally I think that most case studies done are flawed as they are basing their studies on unrealistic consumption levels (in the real world).
He puts out plenty of free information. It's there for you to look at and you don't have to buy the book. lol
And not sensitive at all, just pointing out the errors in your reasoning.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.
Not backlash, just pointing out the obvious (we may be on different sides of the fence, but we are doing the same thing).
It's okay to gravitate towards something that supports your belief system (it's just human nature).0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
No coy, I don't really know much about the guy. I'm just wondering why you seem so sensitive about the criticism about the study.
It seems there's a lot of love in the room for the word of Alan - I just found it a bit weird. I've been on the forums for the past couple of months today his name seems to be cropping up on a few threads.
I'm not anti sugar, personally I think that most case studies done are flawed as they are basing their studies on unrealistic consumption levels (in the real world).
He puts out plenty of free information. It's there for you to look at and you don't have to buy the book. lol
And not sensitive at all, just pointing out the errors in your reasoning.
I have many errors in my reasoning, but on these forums I feel I am amongst friends!! lol0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.
Not backlash, just pointing out the obvious (we may be on different sides of the fence, but we are doing the same thing).
It's okay to gravitate towards something that supports your belief system (it's just human nature).
While I appreciate the irony of pointing that out, the fad diet book authors are usually called out due to flawed reasoning or poor research. And many opinion blogs are derived from those flawed books.
If you are on the other side of a fence, feel free to pick apart the science/logic first, THEN make fun. 0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.
Not backlash, just pointing out the obvious (we may be on different sides of the fence, but we are doing the same thing).
It's okay to gravitate towards something that supports your belief system (it's just human nature).
While I appreciate the irony of pointing that out, the fad diet book authors are usually called out due to flawed reasoning or poor research. And many opinion blogs are derived from those flawed books.
If you are on the other side of a fence, feel free to pick apart the science/logic first, THEN make fun.
When I say I am on the other side of the fence I am not say ' I am right and you are wrong '. In the complex world of nutrient and the human body it is possible for multiple strategies to be correct.
I'm not on MFP to pick at others research. I am willing to defend research I have a personal belief in. My mind set is a broad one.
The way I see it is there's a goal - either weight lose (healthy) or weight gain (healthy) there isn't just one way to achieve it, there are a few.
I just wished more people were less narrow minded to that approach - maybe we could have real discussions.0
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