Happy Saturday, Let's Talk Sugar . . .
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Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
No coy, I don't really know much about the guy. I'm just wondering why you seem so sensitive about the criticism about the study.
It seems there's a lot of love in the room for the word of Alan - I just found it a bit weird. I've been on the forums for the past couple of months today his name seems to be cropping up on a few threads.
I'm not anti sugar, personally I think that most case studies done are flawed as they are basing their studies on unrealistic consumption levels (in the real world).0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
No coy, I don't really know much about the guy. I'm just wondering why you seem so sensitive about the criticism about the study.
It seems there's a lot of love in the room for the word of Alan - I just found it a bit weird. I've been on the forums for the past couple of months today his name seems to be cropping up on a few threads.
I'm not anti sugar, personally I think that most case studies done are flawed as they are basing their studies on unrealistic consumption levels (in the real world).
He puts out plenty of free information. It's there for you to look at and you don't have to buy the book. lol
And not sensitive at all, just pointing out the errors in your reasoning.0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.
Not backlash, just pointing out the obvious (we may be on different sides of the fence, but we are doing the same thing).
It's okay to gravitate towards something that supports your belief system (it's just human nature).0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
No coy, I don't really know much about the guy. I'm just wondering why you seem so sensitive about the criticism about the study.
It seems there's a lot of love in the room for the word of Alan - I just found it a bit weird. I've been on the forums for the past couple of months today his name seems to be cropping up on a few threads.
I'm not anti sugar, personally I think that most case studies done are flawed as they are basing their studies on unrealistic consumption levels (in the real world).
He puts out plenty of free information. It's there for you to look at and you don't have to buy the book. lol
And not sensitive at all, just pointing out the errors in your reasoning.
I have many errors in my reasoning, but on these forums I feel I am amongst friends!! lol0 -
Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.
Not backlash, just pointing out the obvious (we may be on different sides of the fence, but we are doing the same thing).
It's okay to gravitate towards something that supports your belief system (it's just human nature).
While I appreciate the irony of pointing that out, the fad diet book authors are usually called out due to flawed reasoning or poor research. And many opinion blogs are derived from those flawed books.
If you are on the other side of a fence, feel free to pick apart the science/logic first, THEN make fun.
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Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
Do you mean his blogs (for a better word)?
No, but rather than playing coy what exactly is your criticism? He's one of several who I'd recommend to anyone looking for good information, but no one is above reproach.
My money is on it being backlash from people calling out fad diet authors and people who use blogs as credible sources.
Not backlash, just pointing out the obvious (we may be on different sides of the fence, but we are doing the same thing).
It's okay to gravitate towards something that supports your belief system (it's just human nature).
While I appreciate the irony of pointing that out, the fad diet book authors are usually called out due to flawed reasoning or poor research. And many opinion blogs are derived from those flawed books.
If you are on the other side of a fence, feel free to pick apart the science/logic first, THEN make fun.
When I say I am on the other side of the fence I am not say ' I am right and you are wrong '. In the complex world of nutrient and the human body it is possible for multiple strategies to be correct.
I'm not on MFP to pick at others research. I am willing to defend research I have a personal belief in. My mind set is a broad one.
The way I see it is there's a goal - either weight lose (healthy) or weight gain (healthy) there isn't just one way to achieve it, there are a few.
I just wished more people were less narrow minded to that approach - maybe we could have real discussions.0 -
Alan Aragon has advanced degrees in human nutrition. That automatically gives him more credibility than most "food authors" out there, like Gary Taubes (journalism degree) or Michael Pollan (English degree.)
Plus Alan bases his conclusions purely on the merits of the science involved, and he never uses one study to prove or disprove a point. He's also one of the few people that actually will present both sides, like proper scientific analysis should.
As for funding, that's a non-issue. Arguing against a study purely due to funding source, and not the actual information presented, is disingenuous. Studies do one of two things. They disprove a hypothesis, or they support a hypothesis. Whoever pays for the study doesn't get to decide the results.0 -
Alan and Lyle McDonald are probably the two best free resources on the internet regarding nutritional knowledge. They are as straightforward and unbiased as it gets.
That said, I agree that fructose won't be a problem unless it is being dosed at levels that are impractically high for human consumption. e.g. 200g a day of pure table sugar. And even then you have to consider the context.0 -
You guys always want to talk about sugar. You never want to talk about salt.
You're no fun.0 -
Comments like that above are exactly why I said in the other thread that it appears you make statements simply for the purpose of creating debate. You say his intention is to promote his fad diet when that's nowhere close to what's his research is about. You criticize without even knowing.
Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).
No I didn't mention diet.
He has an angle (or fad) as the person I was responding to put it. I was just pointing out he's not doing it for free.
I haven't come on here to pick holes in the research, I agree that previous studies against sugar have been flawed (also peer reviewed). I was making a point that whilst this particular study is interesting it is also financed by parties with an interest. To insist as others have that there was not a preferred outcome of the study is a little naïve. That not to say that the finding were not correct, but studies can be carried out to give a favourable conclusion (hence the flawed peer reviewed anti sugar studies). not sure who would have financed those but I'm sure it wouldn't have been pepsi.0 -
As always, follow the money. But even if hypothetically they did function the same, they don't taste the same and I wouldn't touch the stuff. Well... at least not in any form where they didn't do a good job at masking it (spaghetti sauce, etc). But in pop? Forget about it.Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!0 -
How long has he been putting out free blogs, information/advice including over at bodybuilding.com -vs- how many books he has "peddled"?
Comments like that above are exactly why I said in the other thread that it appears you make statements simply for the purpose of creating debate. You say his intention is to promote his fad diet when that's nowhere close to what's his research is about. You criticize without even knowing.
Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).
No I didn't mention diet.
He has an angle (or fad) as the person I was responding to put it. I was just pointing out he's not doing it for free.
As for comments I make I will agree sometimes they are flippant and sarcastic, it's just my way of communicating with narrow minded people.
I haven't come on here to pick holes in the research, I agree that previous studies against sugar have been flawed (also peer reviewed). I was making a point that whilst this particular study is interesting it is also financed by parties with an interest. To insist as others have that there was not a preferred outcome of the study is a little naïve. That not to say that the finding were not correct, but studies can be carried out to give a favourable conclusion (hence the flawed peer reviewed anti sugar studies). not sure who would have financed those but I'm sure it wouldn't have been pepsi.
In your opinion narrow minded people are those who accept that things can be simple and straight forward, have applied it without having to make excuses.
No in my opinion narrowed minded people are those who believe one size fits all and there is only one way of doing things.
Sound familiar?? and I'm not talking about Alan as I haven't read anything by him.0 -
Based only on the conclusion paragraph you posted, this looks like good stuff, totally in line with what I understand to be the actual scientific understanding (as opposed to media-hype bull). Will definitely add this site to my list to read.
I think the only real "evil" from HFCS is that we subsidize corn production so much, that it has become extremely cheap and extremely profitable to add this form of sugar to everything, vastly increasing the amount of sugars/carbs that sneak into the typical American diet.
Huh? I don't think American food has gotten any 'sweeter' than it used to be. It's just that HFCS is used in sweet foods instead of other, more expensive sugars.0 -
As always, follow the money. But even if hypothetically they did function the same, they don't taste the same and I wouldn't touch the stuff. Well... at least not in any form where they didn't do a good job at masking it (spaghetti sauce, etc). But in pop? Forget about it.Interesting, but as it was financed by ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo International, Kraft Foods, the Corn Refiners Association -- not sure what other conclusions it would have come up with!
And once again, even though the study was funded by food companies (as Tigersword already pointed out), they don't get to say what the outcome of a study is! For instance, I work in the field of traumatic brain injury. It's incredibly expensive to develop a quick test for mild traumatic brain injury (concussion). Guess who is funding our research? The Department of Defense and the NFL. Does that mean that somehow we are going to fudge the study results because we know how badly they want a finger stick type test for mild traumatic brain injury? And that if we don't come up with something that can predict mTBI without a CAT scan, we, as a company will likely go under after this clinical trial is over. But the results are the results. Fudging study results goes against every scientific principle there is. Does it happen occasionally? Yes, but the price to be paid when it is found out is MASSIVE.0 -
How long has he been putting out free blogs, information/advice including over at bodybuilding.com -vs- how many books he has "peddled"?
Comments like that above are exactly why I said in the other thread that it appears you make statements simply for the purpose of creating debate. You say his intention is to promote his fad diet when that's nowhere close to what's his research is about. You criticize without even knowing.
Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).
No I didn't mention diet.
He has an angle (or fad) as the person I was responding to put it. I was just pointing out he's not doing it for free.
As for comments I make I will agree sometimes they are flippant and sarcastic, it's just my way of communicating with narrow minded people.
I haven't come on here to pick holes in the research, I agree that previous studies against sugar have been flawed (also peer reviewed). I was making a point that whilst this particular study is interesting it is also financed by parties with an interest. To insist as others have that there was not a preferred outcome of the study is a little naïve. That not to say that the finding were not correct, but studies can be carried out to give a favourable conclusion (hence the flawed peer reviewed anti sugar studies). not sure who would have financed those but I'm sure it wouldn't have been pepsi.
In your opinion narrow minded people are those who accept that things can be simple and straight forward, have applied it without having to make excuses.
No in my opinion narrowed minded people are those who believe one size fits all and there is only one way of doing things.
Sound familiar?? and I'm not talking about Alan as I haven't read anything by him.
Oh the irony. :laugh:
My impression of you from your posting history Tennisdude is that you appear tunnel visioned towards the Paleo/Primal/low carb approach and can't see beyond it. I have watched you white knight anyone who is asked to provide credible evidence (that's NOT Mark's Daily Apple) that this particular approach is superior to others. I've experienced it first hand actually along with your snark and insults.
And here you are making accusations about 'narrow-minded people' believing that one size fits all.
You really should look in the mirror.
Regarding the article, it's a good read and pretty much reflects my opinions. I have never heard of Alan until MFP but I would feel comfortable recommending his site to people I come across in my line of work looking for this type of information.0 -
And like I said before the ones on the other side of the fence are usually the ones here for a few months with not much to show for it just the ability to cite readings.
How long has he been putting out free blogs, information/advice including over at bodybuilding.com -vs- how many books he has "peddled"?
Comments like that above are exactly why I said in the other thread that it appears you make statements simply for the purpose of creating debate. You say his intention is to promote his fad diet when that's nowhere close to what's his research is about. You criticize without even knowing.
Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).
No I didn't mention diet.
He has an angle (or fad) as the person I was responding to put it. I was just pointing out he's not doing it for free.
As for comments I make I will agree sometimes they are flippant and sarcastic, it's just my way of communicating with narrow minded people.
I haven't come on here to pick holes in the research, I agree that previous studies against sugar have been flawed (also peer reviewed). I was making a point that whilst this particular study is interesting it is also financed by parties with an interest. To insist as others have that there was not a preferred outcome of the study is a little naïve. That not to say that the finding were not correct, but studies can be carried out to give a favourable conclusion (hence the flawed peer reviewed anti sugar studies). not sure who would have financed those but I'm sure it wouldn't have been pepsi.
In your opinion narrow minded people are those who accept that things can be simple and straight forward, have applied it without having to make excuses.
No in my opinion narrowed minded people are those who believe one size fits all and there is only one way of doing things.
Sound familiar?? and I'm not talking about Alan as I haven't read anything by him.
Sound familiar?
No0 -
How long has he been putting out free blogs, information/advice including over at bodybuilding.com -vs- how many books he has "peddled"?
Comments like that above are exactly why I said in the other thread that it appears you make statements simply for the purpose of creating debate. You say his intention is to promote his fad diet when that's nowhere close to what's his research is about. You criticize without even knowing.
Exactly.Alan really is such a great wealth of knowledge. I just wish more people on this website would time the time out to read his stuff and watch his videos.
I do hope as a loyal follower of Alan you have coughed up the $49.95 for his book?
I'm more interested in his Research Reviews.
He's coming out with a book. Okay, does that mean anything? This is the 2nd time in the last 30 min you use that to try to discredit him. What is it that you don't agree with that he says?
I am not trying to discredit him - I personally do not know much about him (he has not appeared on my radar).
The first time I mentioned his book was in response to someone giving him credibility based on their comment of -
"Which would make sense for someone wishing to be educated to provide their clients with the best possible results as far as body composition and so on goes. Rather than trying to sell books on their chosen fad, their profits are likely based on how their views translate into real world results for real world people.
I was just pointing out that Alan is one of said people (by the way I am not saying that is a bad thing - it's just the facts).
The only reason I mentioned it on this thread is because it was in my mind and I though it would be amusing (sorry).
No I didn't mention diet.
He has an angle (or fad) as the person I was responding to put it. I was just pointing out he's not doing it for free.
As for comments I make I will agree sometimes they are flippant and sarcastic, it's just my way of communicating with narrow minded people.
I haven't come on here to pick holes in the research, I agree that previous studies against sugar have been flawed (also peer reviewed). I was making a point that whilst this particular study is interesting it is also financed by parties with an interest. To insist as others have that there was not a preferred outcome of the study is a little naïve. That not to say that the finding were not correct, but studies can be carried out to give a favourable conclusion (hence the flawed peer reviewed anti sugar studies). not sure who would have financed those but I'm sure it wouldn't have been pepsi.
In your opinion narrow minded people are those who accept that things can be simple and straight forward, have applied it without having to make excuses.
No in my opinion narrowed minded people are those who believe one size fits all and there is only one way of doing things.
Sound familiar?? and I'm not talking about Alan as I haven't read anything by him.
Oh the irony. :laugh:
My impression of you from your posting history Tennisdude is that you appear tunnel visioned towards the Paleo/Primal/low carb approach and can't see beyond it. I have watched you white knight anyone who is asked to provide credible evidence (that's NOT Mark's Daily Apple) that this particular approach is superior to others. I've experienced it first hand actually along with your snark and insults.
And here you are making accusations about 'narrow-minded people' believing that one size fits all.
You really should look in the mirror.
Regarding the article, it's a good read and pretty much reflects my opinions. I have never heard of Alan until MFP but I would feel comfortable recommending his site to people I come across in my line of work looking for this type of information.
Lol.
Please feel free to look through my previous posts. You will not find one where I have said that LCHF is the only way to lose weight healthily.
I eat based on the primal blue print and for me it works great. I have never suggested it's for everyone and have always maintained that eating high carb or low carb in a deficit. The only thing I have been single minded on is eating sufficient protein and if training doing resistance training to spare muscle mass.
I will always defend LCHF against narrow minded people that speak without knowledge - as you have about my previous posts.
I'm very happy to look in the mirror - are you?0 -
ADDED SUGAR--such as in coke, pepsi and processed food--how can it benefit our bodies. Am pretty sure it is better to avoid it as much as possible:
http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/2014/03/nicknames-for-added-sugar/0
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