Dieting = Craving BAD foods
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Does anyone else have the problem that when you are trying your best to eat healthier, make better choices, and move more that it's like your body/mind is fighting you?
I feel like I have NO control over what my body craves and wants. I get tired of telling myself that I can't have pizza, hamburgers, french fries, etc and I give in. My husband says it's because I don't have the willpower or the "want to", but I feel defeated EVERYTIME I make a lifestyle change and I don't stick with it.
I've tried the "food swaps" and while some of them are reasonable and delicious, most of them leave me wanting the real thing. Example: I made Spinach and Feta pizza on whole wheat crust instead of Three Meat pizza. While the taste was delicious, I still wanted meat.. and lots of it!
Buy and cook smaller portions. I've tried replacing foods with healthier alternatives, and it didn't work out for me. I've always eaten a lot of fruits and vegetables, so I'm not really worried about what I'm eating as much as how much I'm eating. Now instead of having 2 or 3 burgers, I have 1 burger. You can eat anything and lose weight. How much you eat is what matters.
Losing weight is difficult. Most diets have you obsessing over every detail and making food take up a larger portion of your day. When you diet, you're thinking about food constantly which makes it even harder to eat less. What works for me is minimizing the amount of work and thinking that goes into it. I eat what I want, but I eat less. I have days or weeks where I don't feel like dieting, and I don't. I'll eat maintenance during that period to make sure I don't actually gain anything back. If you're miserable and unhappy about dieting, it's not going to work out. Find something that works for you.0 -
Humans are hard wired to crave 'forbidden foods'. So don't make any food a forbidden food, and learn moderation.0
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Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
But it's removing an entire category of food that contains essential vitamins and minerals that the OP might be hard pressed to get adequate levels of without consuming some fruits. Is it possible to get it from other food sources. Sure. Is it preferable? No.0 -
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Does anyone else have the problem that when you are trying your best to eat healthier, make better choices, and move more that it's like your body/mind is fighting you?
I feel like I have NO control over what my body craves and wants. I get tired of telling myself that I can't have pizza, hamburgers, french fries, etc and I give in. My husband says it's because I don't have the willpower or the "want to", but I feel defeated EVERYTIME I make a lifestyle change and I don't stick with it.
I've tried the "food swaps" and while some of them are reasonable and delicious, most of them leave me wanting the real thing. Example: I made Spinach and Feta pizza on whole wheat crust instead of Three Meat pizza. While the taste was delicious, I still wanted meat.. and lots of it!
you are thinking all wrong..
there is no "bad" food..there is nothing wrong with eating pizza, hamburgers, French fries, etc, you just have to eat less of them.
If you eat those foods and maintain a deficit you will lose weight, period.
I always find that the 80/20 rule seems to work well for people...80% healthy, 20% whatever you want. I eat ice cream every day and drink on the weekends....
The 80:20 rule is a sensible one.
OP just understand the nutritional value of food per calories and spend wisely.
If you've got dorm calorie cash left at the end of the day (once you've covered your micro / macro nutrients) and you fancy blowing it on some junk food - it there to spend.
Make sure when you do that enjoy it.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
You didn't just really say that, did you? :noway:0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
But it's removing an entire category of food that contains essential vitamins and minerals that the OP might be hard pressed to get adequate levels of without consuming some fruits. Is it possible to get it from other food sources. Sure. Is it preferable? No.
It certainly is possible to get the nutrients from elsewhere and in regards to is it preferable - that's subjective.
Agreed cutting fruit is probably unnecessary, but it is something that has worked for the poster above and she is sharing her experience.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
OP:
Disregard this nonsense.
I wouldn't put it quite so bluntly, but I would certainly question if it is wise to do this or long term sustainable. Our body needs glucose (if it didn't then we wouldn't have a pancreas!)
I certainly would question Lustig's research as there's quite a few inaccuracies and ommisions in his work (his description of the Maillard browning process for example as being the reason that a banana browns) and his conclusions are disputed by a number of his peers.
Eh. I chose to be blunt and you chose to elaborate a bit. :ohwell:
The information is nonsense and it is not helpful to the OP or anybody else reading this thread.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
You didn't just really say that, did you? :noway:
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It certainly is possible to get the nutrients from elsewhere and in regards to is it preferable - that's subjective.
Agreed cutting fruit is probably unnecessary, but it is something that has worked for the poster above and she is sharing her experience.
I'm not sure it has worked for her. She's been here 4 years, has only made it halfway to her goal, and her vata dosha is still extremely out of balance. And she consumes honey daily, which is pretty much pure processed sugar and contains large amounts of fructose.
Think about that for a minute. She considers honey, which has a ton of fructose, medicinal and consumes it daily. However, she is telling other people to cut out fruit for a while because it has fructose.
Clearly whatever she's doing hasn't been all that effective.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.
Doesn't matter who the advice is aimed at. It's terrible advice.0 -
Oh wait, a detox? What are we detoxing from? Are we removing toxins by not having sugar? What toxins?
Well if you want to get technical, every time you pee or poop you're detoxing...
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Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.
Doesn't matter who the advice is aimed at. It's terrible advice.
In your opinion.0 -
It certainly is possible to get the nutrients from elsewhere and in regards to is it preferable - that's subjective.
Agreed cutting fruit is probably unnecessary, but it is something that has worked for the poster above and she is sharing her experience.
I'm not sure it has worked for her. She's been here 4 years, has only made it halfway to her goal, and her vata dosha is still extremely out of balance. And she consumes honey daily, which is pretty much pure processed sugar and contains large amounts of fructose.
Think about that for a minute. She considers honey, which has a ton of fructose, medicinal and consumes it daily. However, she is telling other people to cut out fruit for a while because it has fructose.
Clearly whatever she's doing hasn't been all that effective.
Possible, but she may be eating fruit now.
I'm not sure her advice was to remove it for every. I think she was suggesting abstaining for a period of time.
Plus I do not know her history, she may have been doing it your way for the last 3 1/2 years and has recently adopted this new approach (I try not to jump to too many conclusions).0 -
Does anyone else have the problem that when you are trying your best to eat healthier, make better choices, and move more that it's like your body/mind is fighting you?
I feel like I have NO control over what my body craves and wants. I get tired of telling myself that I can't have pizza, hamburgers, french fries, etc and I give in. My husband says it's because I don't have the willpower or the "want to", but I feel defeated EVERYTIME I make a lifestyle change and I don't stick with it.
I've tried the "food swaps" and while some of them are reasonable and delicious, most of them leave me wanting the real thing. Example: I made Spinach and Feta pizza on whole wheat crust instead of Three Meat pizza. While the taste was delicious, I still wanted meat.. and lots of it!
First, I don't deny myself foods I enjoy. You just have to eat less of them or eat them less often and plan for it.
Second, I have found that what I'm really craving when I want, say, cake, is just the sweet taste. Having some dark chocolate or a fruit smoothie (with a little chocolate peanut butter and light whipped cream) satisfies that craving. And I make sure the foods I eat most of the time, while healthier/lower calorie/restricted are foods I actually enjoy. I eat a salad almost every day but I LOVE the way it tastes and I make sure it's filling.
If you're shoving rice cakes (for example) down and not enjoying them, you are going to crave something else.0 -
In your opinion.
Indeed. Thank you for pointing that out for me. I was concerned it was someone else's opinion and not mine.
Bless you.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.
The OP Is already having trouble with restriction and this advice is to restrict further? That is nonsensical.0 -
I appreciate that! I also prefer to eat thin crust pizza because I like it better than the greasy bready pizza, but with 2 kids and a husband that prefer cheese stuffed crust or pan crust.. I kinda have to go with majority.
Every time someone refers to me as a "healthy eater " because of how much weight I've lost, I laugh. I do think I'm a healthy eater, but my definition of healthy is much different than theirs. My idea of healthy eating means eating the foods I like, paying attention to my macros, and meeting my body's nutritional needs. They think it means eating nothing but salad all day.
OP, eat what you like. Just make it fit into your day. If you're going for long term success, you have to moderate your eating habits so that you can stick with them forever. For me, that definitely includes pizza and beer and all that other good stuff. You may find as you go long that some lower calorie substitutions are just fine - for instance, I pretty much always order thin crust pizza, and I like it just as much, if not more. For other foods, only the real thing will do. There's nothing wrong with eating these high-calorie foods in moderation if you fit it into your day.. It may even help you stay on track.
My diary is open if you want to have a look.
Maybe I will stock up on the thin crust pizzas and have them on hand for when other pizzas are being ordered!
Thanks to everyone for the advice! It helps so much to have people to get feedback from!
The great thing about frozen pizzas....you can cut them up while still frozen, and only make once serving! It works for me! If i don't have the whole thing cooked and ready to eat, I can't eat more than I should!0 -
I appreciate that! I also prefer to eat thin crust pizza because I like it better than the greasy bready pizza, but with 2 kids and a husband that prefer cheese stuffed crust or pan crust.. I kinda have to go with majority.
Every time someone refers to me as a "healthy eater " because of how much weight I've lost, I laugh. I do think I'm a healthy eater, but my definition of healthy is much different than theirs. My idea of healthy eating means eating the foods I like, paying attention to my macros, and meeting my body's nutritional needs. They think it means eating nothing but salad all day.
OP, eat what you like. Just make it fit into your day. If you're going for long term success, you have to moderate your eating habits so that you can stick with them forever. For me, that definitely includes pizza and beer and all that other good stuff. You may find as you go long that some lower calorie substitutions are just fine - for instance, I pretty much always order thin crust pizza, and I like it just as much, if not more. For other foods, only the real thing will do. There's nothing wrong with eating these high-calorie foods in moderation if you fit it into your day.. It may even help you stay on track.
My diary is open if you want to have a look. Maybe I will stock up on the thin crust pizzas and have them on hand for when other pizzas are being ordered!
Thanks to everyone for the advice! It helps so much to have people to get feedback from!
The great thing about frozen pizzas....you can cut them up while still frozen, and only make once serving! It works for me! If i don't have the whole thing cooked and ready to eat, I can't eat more than I should!
Frozen pizza is one serving per box.
IMO, anyway.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.
The OP Is already having trouble with restriction and this advice is to restrict further? That is nonsensical.
It all depends on the strategy and timescale of the restriction.
There is no hard and fast rule for getting to a state of moderation, or successful weight loss (apart from however you a mange it eat in a deficit).0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
OP:
Disregard this nonsense.
I wouldn't put it quite so bluntly, but I would certainly question if it is wise to do this or long term sustainable. Our body needs glucose (if it didn't then we wouldn't have a pancreas!)
I certainly would question Lustig's research as there's quite a few inaccuracies and ommisions in his work (his description of the Maillard browning process for example as being the reason that a banana browns) and his conclusions are disputed by a number of his peers.
The problem is that it is human nature to hope for a panacea. There really isn't one, the issue for most of us is our relationship with food. I got the size I am by eating for comfort or boredom, for most of us, the desire to overeat is usually related to emotion. (Obviously not for everyone, but it sounds like in your case OP, you have a similar situation to me that sometimes it's not really about being hungry, but about 'wanting' food)
One final clarification...I am not saying to cut out glucose at all, and not suggesting you even totally cut out fructose long term. I am saying to reduce the consumption of fructose and try to limit it to whole food sources like whole fruit. I don't think you need to be really concerned with fruit I was just suggesting removing it temporarily along with added sugars. The added sugars are the larger concern for sure.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
To the OP, take it or leave it, this has worked for me. As you can see people get really angry when you tell them to stop eating sugar, though, so beware.
Oh yes, mercy me. I turn into the Incredible Hulk when people say they stop eating sugar!
:explode: :laugh:
Seriously though, if you are eating fruits and veggies, rice, oats, wheat, on and on, you are still eating sugar. It's just biology.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
OP:
Disregard this nonsense.
I wouldn't put it quite so bluntly, but I would certainly question if it is wise to do this or long term sustainable. Our body needs glucose (if it didn't then we wouldn't have a pancreas!)
I certainly would question Lustig's research as there's quite a few inaccuracies and ommisions in his work (his description of the Maillard browning process for example as being the reason that a banana browns) and his conclusions are disputed by a number of his peers.
The problem is that it is human nature to hope for a panacea. There really isn't one, the issue for most of us is our relationship with food. I got the size I am by eating for comfort or boredom, for most of us, the desire to overeat is usually related to emotion. (Obviously not for everyone, but it sounds like in your case OP, you have a similar situation to me that sometimes it's not really about being hungry, but about 'wanting' food)
One final clarification...I am not saying to cut out glucose at all, and not suggesting you even totally cut out fructose long term. I am saying to reduce the consumption of fructose and try to limit it to whole food sources like whole fruit. I don't think you need to be really concerned with fruit I was just suggesting removing it temporarily along with added sugars. The added sugars are the larger concern for sure.
You flat out said to cut out fruit for a while.
Look, fruit is healthy. Fruit is great. Fruit is good for you. Any diet plan or nutritional theory that leads one to the conclusion that cutting out fruit "for a while" is beneficial, let alone necessary, is a bad one.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
To the OP, take it or leave it, this has worked for me. As you can see people get really angry when you tell them to stop eating sugar, though, so beware.
Oh yes, mercy me. I turn into the Incredible Hulk when people say they stop eating sugar! :explode: :laugh:
Seriously though, if you are eating fruits and veggies, rice, oats, wheat, on and on, you are still eating sugar. It's just biology.
lol - it does do something to you guys - it's like a hanger.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.
Doesn't matter who the advice is aimed at. It's terrible advice.
Plus, this is a public forum, where any registered users are free to reply with their opinions.0 -
OP I'm in the moderation club, I abide by this rule.
Step one Calories in verses calories out
Step two is Macros
Step three is Micros
Step one is all about learning to balance calories, eat what ever you want but at a deficit. Don't worry about what the food is made of or how healthy it is or how many vitamins are in it. Simply look only at calories.
Step two comes when you are a master of eating in your calorie range and desire a specific way of eating for your goals. Weight lifters need more protein, Long distance runners need more carbs etc.
Step three happens when you have found a suitable ration of your protein fat and carbs. Then work on getting in nutrient dense foods that are high in your vitamins.
People who jump all the way to step three usually fail. Work your way there. Take your time.0 -
Cut out the sugar, I mean ALL fructose (HFCS, table sugar, fruit juice, anything with fructose) and even all fruit for a while. You will have to read labels like a hawk to make sure they do not have any added sugar. No processed foods. If you do this your body will detox from the sugar and return to your natural hunger signals. The cravings will get much better. After 8 weeks you can add back in some fruit but only eat fructose in the whole fruit so it is tempered by the fiber. Check out the book "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig and a webite called "I Quit Sugar."
To the OP and anyone else reading along.....
If anyone ever tells you to cut out fruits and/or vegetables, tell them to go jump in a lake, and ignore anything they ever say about anything ever.
I did not say to remove fruits or vegetables, I said to cut out fruit for a while to reduce the fructose in your diet. After the detox you would add it back in. Learn to read, please.
You didn't say remove fruits, you said to cut them out for a while.
What's the difference?
Sorry, your advice is awful, ridiculous, and is borne from a gross misunderstanding of biology and nutrition.
My advice stands: anyone who tells you to cut out fruit, for any length of time, should be completely ignored about everything forever.
I'm not suggesting cutting out fruit, but what's the big deal if the OP did. It's not essential food?
I rarely eat fruit. I don't really like it. There's nothing wrong with not eating fruit.
What's wrong is telling someone not to eat fruit because it contains sugar. The advice is bad. The reasoning behind the advice is worse: that one should "detox" from sugar.
The reasoning is faulty and the conclusion is ridiculous. The advice fails to pass the reality check. Anyone concluding "well people should cut out fruit" and then dispensing that advice is demonstrating a lack of some critical process in the rational train.
Therefore, my advice is to ignore any advice such a person gives, in its entirety, because through this one egregious error in judgment all further advice is automatically suspect.
Yes but the advice is not aimed at you it's aimed at the OP.
Doesn't matter who the advice is aimed at. It's terrible advice.
Plus, this is a public forum, where any registered users are free to reply with their opinions.
I know that's what so great about them - how boring would it be if everyone agreed! 0
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