** Breaking News** Do you believe in MIRACLES?
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I think this just proves not all people are *kitten*. Not sure how this relates to the all mighty creator hypothesis.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.0 -
Believing in G-d is a choice for anyone who has not witnessed near-death experiences. Those of us who've faced death, know there is a Higher Power, for a fact.
That said, for those to whom it is a choice, the way I'd look at it is like this, if you believe and you're wrong, you don't lose out on anything. But if you don't believe and you're wrong, sems to me you're losing out on the opportunity to connect with G-d, to feel supported and loved by Him, which is losing out on a lot, if you ask me. You have to decide that, though.
Uh, I've had a few near-death experiences. Don't speak for me.
Same. As an atheist, I don't think I'm missing out on anything, thanks. If anything I have a deeper connection to my fellow human beings because I realize that we only have each other to rely on. Believe it or not, this is where I find fulfillment and comfort.0 -
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Love how all the christians don't comment on the starving kids in africa. Praise the lord...
I believe.
And I struggle with all the injustice in the world. Especially things that involve little kids... Africa, child porn, abuse, disfunctional families... all of it.
I don't understand a lot of things, but I do know that I have experienced things in my life that were more than mere chance and therefore I CHOOSE to believe in something greater than myself.
I do not believe, however, that the fact that there are starving children in Africa proves that there is no god. Nor do I believe that my personal experiences prove that there IS one.
Those children are OUR responsibility too. And blaming god for their pain is can often be one way we abdicate our own culpability.
this. All of this is part of why I
you, Mirey.
Same here.....I don't think anyone has all the answers.
Luv ya Mirey!!0 -
Don't forget to thank the young lady who found your keys.
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Believing in G-d is a choice for anyone who has not witnessed near-death experiences. Those of us who've faced death, know there is a Higher Power, for a fact.
That said, for those to whom it is a choice, the way I'd look at it is like this, if you believe and you're wrong, you don't lose out on anything. But if you don't believe and you're wrong, sems to me you're losing out on the opportunity to connect with G-d, to feel supported and loved by Him, which is losing out on a lot, if you ask me. You have to decide that, though.
Uh, I've had a few near-death experiences. Don't speak for me.
This.
Don't assume you know anything about what any of us have been through! It's rude and quite frankly, hurtful.0 -
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
This is just what I was going to say, God does not CONTROL, this life is ours to (hopefully) make the right decisions. And when we believe that there is something greater than us, He HELPS. and he is HELPING those children in Africa, but more people have to be willing to help too.... Cus God is not going to help those who can't help themselves. God created this world and all that are in it... but he gave it too us to take care of...
How is he helping? What specific examples can you give? Africa has only gotten worse since the start of humanity, which began in Africa. Also, what passage in the bible says god only helps those who can help themselves?0 -
No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.0
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So, free will? In other words, God had absolutely nothing to do with the woman finding the keys and turning them in (like any normal, decent human being would do?) So then what is this post about then?
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
Always love that argument. When something horrible happens, it's because humans have free will and can make our own decisions. When something good happens, it's because God got directly involved Himself. The ultimate hypocritical stance.
So is this why those few hundred people died in that ferry sinking? Because God was too busy helping some guy find his keys? Seems legit.0 -
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
But he will find a person's car keys? Those are some messed up priorities.
You really think (that if there is a God in your opinion) he was like "yo, this guys needs to find his keys, I need to devote all my power to helping him... 'aint nobody got time for those starving children.."
Some problems are harder to solve without effecting our free will.. Again, I'm sure he could go in and fix it in a heartbeat, but if he did, what kind of impact would that have in the world? What choices would he be making for people? For example, you wouldn't have the choice to believe/not believe, because you would have proof of his existence.0 -
God is so loving he decided to obliterate all those people in the flood from Noah's ark. There were a lot of children involved in that massacre. There's many more passages in the bible that are equally shocking.
Is it logical for an all-powerful being to create thousands of babies and then right away kill them all off in a giant flood?
There wasn't just adult 'sinners' involved in that. I think he saved 5 or 6 people out of how many? Probably hundreds of thousands were killed (considering the world population).
But God loved you so much he got you your keys back. Awesome story bro! :P
If you can rationalize god's mass genocide somehow-then there's no way I can argue.
I've never seen a talking snake before, have you? Yet I am cursed to pay for the sins of some guy named 'adam'. Logic destroyed. Before I have to pay for that, I should have the opportunity to talk to serpants also-don't you think?0 -
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Why do these always turn into this kind of crap? Why is it necessary to tell the OP what your persoal beliefs are? What is so dificult in just saying, "good for you!" and moving on?
He believes God was involved. So what? Does it threaten anyone's atheism to read those words?
Honestly, probably because this stripped the agency of the young woman who did a good deed. How could it possibly threaten someone's atheism? People probably pointed it out (as seen in this thread, with both Christians and Atheists) that it was clearly the young woman who helped because it seemed strange to attribute the good deed to someone else, be it the Christian God, Zeus or Vishnu. Sure, the OP gave her $20 and said thank you, but she seems to be the afterthought in this story in favor of something else.
Brb, going back to .gifs.
Not only is she not an afterthought, but she has reached out to me several times since yesterday in regards to furthering her career. She is in IT and I am helping her look for a position that will advance her career.
I don't believe in coincidences. There is a reason my God, who is 1 of a 1,000 I guess, answered my prayers. See even finding keys as small as it seems is a blessing to me.
I am not sure why it's important to question my faith. The woman who found the keys MAY be an atheist but WHAT does that have to do with me praying and being blessed by her actions?
This reminds me of this:
An elderly lady was well-known for her faith and for her boldness in talking about it. She would stand on her front porch and shout “PRAISE THE LORD!”
Next door to her lived an atheist who would get so angry at her proclamations he would shout, “There ain’t no Lord!!”
Hard times set in on the elderly lady, and she prayed for GOD to send her some assistance. She stood on her porch and shouted “PRAISE THE LORD. GOD I NEED FOOD!! I AM HAVING A HARD TIME. PLEASE LORD, SEND ME SOME GROCERIES!!”
The next morning the lady went out on her porch and noted a large bag of groceries and shouted, “PRAISE THE LORD.”
The neighbor jumped from behind a bush and said, “Aha! I told you there was no Lord. I bought those groceries, God didn’t.”
The lady started jumping up and down and clapping her hands and said, “PRAISE THE LORD. He not only sent me groceries, but He got an Atheist to pay for them. Praise the Lord!”
God works through EVERYONE!
That is funny. I think it's simple. God gives us free will. Some believe and some don't.
I am STILL thankful to have my keys!
Maybe I should thank OBAMA and see how this turns out! Lol
its fascinating that you can see that thanking Obama would be ridiculous, but not that thanking God is. Even if God exists, given that you also believe in free will, he had about as much to do with that woman picking up your keys as Obama did.0 -
So, we're thanking God and not the woman that was nice enough to return your keys? Something isn't quite adding up to me...
If everything good that happens to us is thanks to God, then what about the bad stuff? Is he not responsible for that as well? I got a chip in my windshield last week - THANK YOU JESUS! It had nothing to do with the rock that hit the glass...it was all God.
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Awesome news! God is truly awesome and He always has our back!0
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So, free will? In other words, God had absolutely nothing to do with the woman finding the keys and turning them in (like any normal, decent human being would do?) So then what is this post about then?
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
Always love that argument. When something horrible happens, it's because humans have free will and can make our own decisions. When something good happens, it's because God got directly involved Himself. The ultimate hypocritical stance.
So is this why those few hundred people died in that ferry sinking? Because God was too busy helping some guy find his keys? Seems legit.
I made a similar point on my newsfeed. You missed a key point though.0 -
Fantastic news!!!0
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I'd thank ICP first
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No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!0 -
So, free will? In other words, God had absolutely nothing to do with the woman finding the keys and turning them in (like any normal, decent human being would do?) So then what is this post about then?
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
Always love that argument. When something horrible happens, it's because humans have free will and can make our own decisions. When something good happens, it's because God got directly involved Himself. The ultimate hypocritical stance.
So is this why those few hundred people died in that ferry sinking? Because God was too busy helping some guy find his keys? Seems legit.
I made a similar point on my newsfeed. You missed a key point though.
I don't have access to your news feed :sad:
I'd love to read your key point0 -
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
But he will find a person's car keys? Those are some messed up priorities.
You really think (that if there is a God in your opinion) he was like "yo, this guys needs to find his keys, I need to devote all my power to helping him... 'aint nobody got time for those starving children.."
Some problems are harder to solve without effecting our free will.. Again, I'm sure he could go in and fix it in a heartbeat, but if he did, what kind of impact would that have in the world? What choices would he be making for people? For example, you wouldn't have the choice to believe/not believe, because you would have proof of his existence.
I am sure it would not be catastrophic to the myth of freewill to throw down some rain and perhaps make some crops grow in eastern Africa.
I say myth of freewill because do you really have freewill when any choice other than the "correct" one results in eternal torment?0 -
No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:0 -
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
Of course not... That's just silly.
And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.
If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.
#Freewill
If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.
But he will find a person's car keys? Those are some messed up priorities.
You really think (that if there is a God in your opinion) he was like "yo, this guys needs to find his keys, I need to devote all my power to helping him... 'aint nobody got time for those starving children.."
Some problems are harder to solve without effecting our free will.. Again, I'm sure he could go in and fix it in a heartbeat, but if he did, what kind of impact would that have in the world? What choices would he be making for people? For example, you wouldn't have the choice to believe/not believe, because you would have proof of his existence.
I am sure it would not be catastrophic to the myth of freewill to throw down some rain and perhaps make some crops grow in eastern Africa.
I say myth of freewill because do you really have freewill when any choice other than the "correct" one results in eternal torment?
Exactly. Freewill isn't free if there's consequences for choosing wrong. More like an ultimatum0 -
Love how all the christians don't comment on the starving kids in africa. Praise the lord...
I believe.
And I struggle with all the injustice in the world. Especially things that involve little kids... Africa, child porn, abuse, disfunctional families... all of it.
I don't understand a lot of things, but I do know that I have experienced things in my life that were more than mere chance and therefore I CHOOSE to believe in something greater than myself.
I do not believe, however, that the fact that there are starving children in Africa proves that there is no god. Nor do I believe that my personal experiences prove that there IS one.
Those children are OUR responsibility too. And blaming god for their pain is can often be one way we abdicate our own culpability.
this. All of this is part of why I you, Mirey. Agreed 0 -
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Oh jeez
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*sigh*
Why do these always turn into this kind of crap? Why is it necessary to tell the OP what your persoal beliefs are? What is so dificult in just saying, "good for you!" and moving on?
He believes God was involved. So what? Does it threaten anyone's atheism to read those words?
Honestly, probably because this stripped the agency of the young woman who did a good deed. How could it possibly threaten someone's atheism? People probably pointed it out (as seen in this thread, with both Christians and Atheists) that it was clearly the young woman who helped because it seemed strange to attribute the good deed to someone else, be it the Christian God, Zeus or Vishnu. Sure, the OP gave her $20 and said thank you, but she seems to be the afterthought in this story in favor of something else.
Brb, going back to .gifs.
Not only is she not an afterthought, but she has reached out to me several times since yesterday in regards to furthering her career. She is in IT and I am helping her look for a position that will advance her career.
I don't believe in coincidences. There is a reason my God, who is 1 of a 1,000 I guess, answered my prayers. See even finding keys as small as it seems is a blessing to me.
I am not sure why it's important to question my faith. The woman who found the keys MAY be an atheist but WHAT does that have to do with me praying and being blessed by her actions?
This reminds me of this:
An elderly lady was well-known for her faith and for her boldness in talking about it. She would stand on her front porch and shout “PRAISE THE LORD!”
Next door to her lived an atheist who would get so angry at her proclamations he would shout, “There ain’t no Lord!!”
Hard times set in on the elderly lady, and she prayed for GOD to send her some assistance. She stood on her porch and shouted “PRAISE THE LORD. GOD I NEED FOOD!! I AM HAVING A HARD TIME. PLEASE LORD, SEND ME SOME GROCERIES!!”
The next morning the lady went out on her porch and noted a large bag of groceries and shouted, “PRAISE THE LORD.”
The neighbor jumped from behind a bush and said, “Aha! I told you there was no Lord. I bought those groceries, God didn’t.”
The lady started jumping up and down and clapping her hands and said, “PRAISE THE LORD. He not only sent me groceries, but He got an Atheist to pay for them. Praise the Lord!”
God works through EVERYONE!
That is funny. I think it's simple. God gives us free will. Some believe and some don't.
I am STILL thankful to have my keys!
Maybe I should thank OBAMA and see how this turns out! Lol
its fascinating that you can see that thanking Obama would be ridiculous, but not that thanking God is. Even if God exists, given that you also believe in free will, he had about as much to do with that woman picking up your keys as Obama did.
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What I find hilarious is that the OP would have maybe gotten 10 replies or so if he hadn't thrown in that "thank jesus!" at the end0
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No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.0 -
*sigh*
Why do these always turn into this kind of crap? Why is it necessary to tell the OP what your persoal beliefs are? What is so dificult in just saying, "good for you!" and moving on?
He believes God was involved. So what? Does it threaten anyone's atheism to read those words?
It negates the good deed of the individual who found his keys because the "goodness" is attributed to a higher power rather than being seen as an example of the benefits of helping each other out.
This is incredibly well said!0 -
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT MISSDEEDEE78'S KEYS!!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!!
Maybe God has a key quota and she missed out.0
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