** Breaking News** Do you believe in MIRACLES?
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In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.0 -
Well, beyond the fact that your attribution of the "miracle" to god takes responsibility away from the actual human being who did something awesome, how did CVS know your email address from just your key ring??
I think when you sign up for their rewards card you provide all that info.
They just scan in the card number and **poof** there you are.0 -
Love how all the christians don't comment on the starving kids in africa. Praise the lord...
I believe.
And I struggle with all the injustice in the world. Especially things that involve little kids... Africa, child porn, abuse, disfunctional families... all of it.
I don't understand a lot of things, but I do know that I have experienced things in my life that were more than mere chance and therefore I CHOOSE to believe in something greater than myself.
I do not believe, however, that the fact that there are starving children in Africa proves that there is no god. Nor do I believe that my personal experiences prove that there IS one.
Those children are OUR responsibility too. And blaming god for their pain is can often be one way we abdicate our own culpability.
this. All of this is part of why I
you, Mirey.
Same here.....I don't think anyone has all the answers.
Luv ya Mirey!!
Thank you all 0 -
No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.
Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!
Yay for you!0 -
There ARE good people in the world and I'm happy you had a happy ending.
Some time ago, my sister lost her wallet in a Home Depot. We reported it and tried to search for it, but unfortunately we could not find it. On our way home, we got a call. Someone found it in the store, and not only that, they returned it to her. They took the time to drive to her house and hand-delivered it to her and nothing was missing.
The gentlemen who found her wallet did not have to make that call and drive out of their way just to return it personally, but we are extremely grateful they made that decision.
No matter what anyone says or thinks, we believe these men were a Godsend...unlike the person(s) who stole my work laptop a few weeks ago. I made the mistake of leaving it in a cab one night, but if anyone opened the case, they would have found some personal documents of mine. If that person was a descent human being, they would have turned it in to either the cab company or to the police, but they did not and yes, this was my mistake (one that I am still paying for), but that does not excuse the actions of this person or persons. And yes, I made the appropriate calls and filed a police report.
No matter what happens in life, I try to always believe in the goodness of man. I also believe in Karma.0 -
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
Why you bringing up old sh1t? He found OP's keys. Doesn't that make up for it?0 -
No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.
Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!
Yay for you!
Actually, what I learned today is that you're a jerk!0 -
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
Why you bringing up old sh1t? He found OP's keys. Doesn't that make up for it?
this made me snort at my desk0 -
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT MISSDEEDEE78'S KEYS!!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!!
Maybe God has a key quota and she missed out.
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No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.
Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!
Yay for you!
Actually, what I learned today is that you're a jerk!
:laugh:
I am laughing so dang hard at this! 0 -
I think this just proves not all people are *kitten*. Not sure how this relates to the all mighty creator hypothesis.
Totally killed my joy. Shoo!
No need to have your joy killed! I believe that GOD brought my keys back to me. I prayed that they would and they did.
Hey congrats you are an atheist! Hope you are right for your eternal sake! Lol
LMAO!0 -
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
This is one of the reasons I struggle so much. Honest and true.
I realize that nothing is black and white... before it seemed so clear.
When I became a mom, my faith was shaken because of this...because I could hear and imagine the terror of all the kids. And I still don't know how to reconcile this with the idea that God is a god of love.
But I do know this.
When I actively believed, and followed the 'way'... I was a much happier person. I was kinder, I was more patient, I was gentler. I didn't cuss like a sailor. I was a better person. I also know that IF there is a God out there who loves me, and who so loved the world... then he is big enough to handle and understand my doubt.
I don't understand the past. I really don't.
I don't understand the present.
It doesn't make sense to me. None of it does.
Sometimes, I can't read the news because it hurts so bad to *feel* what people are going through.
But the idea of living on this planet for a fixed amount of time with no purpose, no end goal.. seems so pointless.
I no longer actively try to "convert" people. I have been seriously hurt by both "Christians" and "Non Christians" alike.
But I do know that if I focus on being the kind of person that the New Testament speaks of - I am a much better person all around.
And really, isn't that the point? To be kind, and loving and caring and compassionate? Who doesn't want more people in their life like that?
Whether you do that as an athiest, or agnostic, Muslim, or Christian... that is your choice, and your choice alone. Just try to be the best person you can be.
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No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.
Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!
Yay for you!
Actually, what I learned today is that you're a jerk!
:laugh:
I am laughing so dang hard at this!
**takes a bow** Glad I could entertain you.0 -
Believing in G-d is a choice for anyone who has not witnessed near-death experiences. Those of us who've faced death, know there is a Higher Power, for a fact.
That said, for those to whom it is a choice, the way I'd look at it is like this, if you believe and you're wrong, you don't lose out on anything. But if you don't believe and you're wrong, sems to me you're losing out on the opportunity to connect with G-d, to feel supported and loved by Him, which is losing out on a lot, if you ask me. You have to decide that, though.
Uh, I've had a few near-death experiences. Don't speak for me.
This.
Don't assume you know anything about what any of us have been through! It's rude and quite frankly, hurtful.
I was going to read and move on, in order not to get mixed up in such debate on a health and fitness forum but this... this is just plain rude and disrespectful to be honest. Some of us had a closer brush with death than you could ever imagine, and let me tell you.. not for a MOMENT did I think or even remember any kind of higher power. For the love of your god, please DO NOT trivialize other people's experiences the good (the shiver down someone's spine over something that has zero to do with religion) or the extremely bad (almost dying) just because they happen to have a different point of view. I'm out.0 -
AMEN!! God answers prayers!! AMEN!0
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I believe in people being decent human beings. I believe that we have the choice to either be kind or to be jerks. I do not believe that these choices are dictated by divine intervention. I am not a puppet. I am a person. Miracle? I think not. A good ending to what could have been a bad day? Absolutely! Not at the hands of god however....at the hands of a very thoughtful stranger.0
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*sigh*
Why do these always turn into this kind of crap? Why is it necessary to tell the OP what your persoal beliefs are? What is so dificult in just saying, "good for you!" and moving on?
He believes God was involved. So what? Does it threaten anyone's atheism to read those words?
AMEN to that. :happy:0 -
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
This doesn't make me uncomfortable... sad, very big yes, uncomfortable, no.
But to reply, since you are looking for one... Time to bring on the ever popular saying: "God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love." Prior to sacrificing his son to pay for all our bad choices, we had to pay for them ourselves...0 -
Glad you found your keys!
Theologically speaking, if God and Jesus helped you recover them, who was responsible for you losing them - did Satan steal them in some insidious plot to cause you to lose $1,000?0 -
No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.
What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!
I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.
You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.
I AGREE WITH TLC - *dragging her too my cave*0 -
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
This is one of the reasons I struggle so much. Honest and true.
I realize that nothing is black and white... before it seemed so clear.
When I became a mom, my faith was shaken because of this...because I could hear and imagine the terror of all the kids. And I still don't know how to reconcile this with the idea that God is a god of love.
But I do know this.
When I actively believed, and followed the 'way'... I was a much happier person. I was kinder, I was more patient, I was gentler. I didn't cuss like a sailor. I was a better person. I also know that IF there is a God out there who loves me, and who so loved the world... then he is big enough to handle and understand my doubt.
I don't understand the past. I really don't.
I don't understand the present.
It doesn't make sense to me. None of it does.
Sometimes, I can't read the news because it hurts so bad to *feel* what people are going through.
But the idea of living on this planet for a fixed amount of time with no purpose, no end goal.. seems so pointless.
I no longer actively try to "convert" people. I have been seriously hurt by both "Christians" and "Non Christians" alike.
But I do know that if I focus on being the kind of person that the New Testament speaks of - I am a much better person all around.
And really, isn't that the point? To be kind, and loving and caring and compassionate? Who doesn't want more people in their life like that?
Whether you do that as an athiest, or agnostic, Muslim, or Christian... that is your choice, and your choice alone. Just try to be the best person you can be.
*gets off soapbox*
I agree with some of what you say, but disagree with some as well.0 -
I think this just proves not all people are *kitten*. Not sure how this relates to the all mighty creator hypothesis.0
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Thank you for sharing your uplifting story. God is great!
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Though I'm not religious, I'm glad you found your keys and that there are still good people in this world that will help someone out.0
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Thank God you got them back! I am happy for you and your good luck! And that was an AWESOME burn! :drinker:0
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Wow...some people just can't resist peeing in others' Cheerios. Are the anti-Christian people really that intolerant? :huh:0
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seriously tho - who cares, I don't give 2 cents what anyone's religious beliefs are but I will never attack them. I'm glad the OP had such an experience that uplifted them - what right does anyone have to judge anyone else.
and anyone who feels the need to call me an idiot can <330 -
Yes let's let the religious and atheist congregate in one thread bashing each other while both either proclaim God's great love and the other proclaim his hateful nature. Makes sense. Let people believe what they will, calling someone stupid because their ideals differ from yours is well... stupid. Makes you look like a narrow minded fool with no world knowledge by thinking your ideals are the only ideals of this earth or the only truth. Move on.0
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When I think miracle, I think Jesus curing the blind, lepers, paralytics, I think turning water into wine, resurrecting the dead, feeding the masses with a few fishes and loaves of bread...
...not finding your keys.0 -
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:
"So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "
More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?
In Isaiah chapter 13...
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
"Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?
I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
This is one of the reasons I struggle so much. Honest and true.
I realize that nothing is black and white... before it seemed so clear.
When I became a mom, my faith was shaken because of this...because I could hear and imagine the terror of all the kids. And I still don't know how to reconcile this with the idea that God is a god of love.
But I do know this.
When I actively believed, and followed the 'way'... I was a much happier person. I was kinder, I was more patient, I was gentler. I didn't cuss like a sailor. I was a better person. I also know that IF there is a God out there who loves me, and who so loved the world... then he is big enough to handle and understand my doubt.
I don't understand the past. I really don't.
I don't understand the present.
It doesn't make sense to me. None of it does.
Sometimes, I can't read the news because it hurts so bad to *feel* what people are going through.
But the idea of living on this planet for a fixed amount of time with no purpose, no end goal.. seems so pointless.
I no longer actively try to "convert" people. I have been seriously hurt by both "Christians" and "Non Christians" alike.
But I do know that if I focus on being the kind of person that the New Testament speaks of - I am a much better person all around.
And really, isn't that the point? To be kind, and loving and caring and compassionate? Who doesn't want more people in their life like that?
Whether you do that as an athiest, or agnostic, Muslim, or Christian... that is your choice, and your choice alone. Just try to be the best person you can be.
*gets off soapbox*
I agree with some of what you say, but disagree with some as well.
I totally respect that... Sometimes I disagree with some of what I say too!0
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