Runner with a serious sugar addiction

Ulilouise

Afternoon all,

This is my first post on here, after a while of feeling pretty horrible about myself I wanted to share my thoughts and to hopefully receive some words of wisdom! I'm in a bit of a strange situation and would really love to know if any of you have shared this kind of experience.

I've always thought of myself as "big", even when I weighed less than I do now, partly because of my height (I'm 5"11). In 2010 I managed to lose 2 1/2 stone through Weightwatchers but now, despite doing way more exercise than I was back then, my weight has crept back up again. I'm currently 13 stone 8 lbs.

I started running in 2011 and have signed up for my first marathon at the end of this year (a terrifying prospect), however I definitely don't have the typical runner's physique! My issue is that I'm addicted to sugar, big time. Obviously so much so that it's undoing all the good I'm doing by exercising. Chocolate is my biggest weakness and despite managing to go cold turkey a few times I always end up having a massive binge then going back to my old habits. I really feel like it's controlling me and the mid-afternoon cravings are unbearable, I usually end up giving into them rather than saying no. Ideally I'd like to get to a point where I can enjoy the occasional sweet treat (the thought of cutting out sweets for the rest of my life feels quite sad!) without feeling like life has to revolve around my next sugar fix.

Is anyone else going through something similar? Any advice on how to get out of this rut would be much appreciated :-)

Louise

amberlynn0925

Louise,

Like you, I would say I was addicted to sugar and it's definitely what got my weight up. What really made me quit the habit of needing some bit of sugar daily was participating in Lent with my Catholic Fiance (I'm not Catholic). For 40 days I gave up all dessert and anything sweet (candy, cakes, cookies, scones, etc.). Now that Lent is over, I feel like I am much more in control of my sugar intake and got used to saying "no" to the offer of cake for celebrations at work.

Amber

FoodieMotion

Like Amber says above it is strict for a while then you don't miss it.

I think they say it takes 30 days to make a habit. As well as chocolate are there other sugary vices you go for?

JessG11

This will more than likely start a HUGE thread of discussions/debate/fighting because some people believe moderation is the key and some believe that refraining is the key.

All I can tell you is I completely understand! I will say that I am addicted to sugar but then there will be people say there is no such thing. So I'll explain it this way: i have go to foods that I binge on such as cakes, cookies and desserts. I don't binge on fruit which of course has sugar. So is this a sugar addiction...no...it's a behavior addiction. But I UNDERSTAND what you mean when you say sugar addiction.

So far what has worked for me, is that I am working on where I am at mentally when I crave. A lot of times I'm stressed out. So I'm working on stress and that's helped a lot. I am also refraining from these things for a while so I can get a control and change these behaviors and develop new healthier behaviors.

One of the most important things that I am doing that is helping me is I am eating more often and I am eating less foods that I'll call starches...like I only have four servings (2/3 cup a serving) a day. And I am eating tons more veggies and fruit. I have yet to suffer from the mid afternoon crash that I ALWAYS suffered from. I have even had so much more energy, I no longer drink caffeine. I wasn't planning on this, but I didn't need it so I let it go. On Easter, I had dinner with family, I did have a diet coke, and I did even have a piece of cake. But I was able to have the freedom of not obsessing over it. I ate my portion and then I was done. And I plan to go a few weeks before I have another sweet. (It actually wasn't as satisfying as I wanted).

These are things that have worked for me. I've talked to a therapist and my doctor about some of my issues to have a better understanding. I'm also a social work grad student and have learned so much about addiction and such. Also, there are some folks here on MFP that completely understand what you are dealing with and can help! Feel free to add me! Good luck on your journey!

TAsunder

I'm sure many will disagree with me, but in my opinion, if you are training for a marathon then you are in one of the few categories of people where extraneous sugar isn't as bad for you as it is for most people. You are going to need a lot of simple carbs as you get into your training because you will be in a state of glycogen depletion a fair amount of time and will need to increase your reserves during the long runs. That's one of the main points of marathon training (increasing your glycogen reserves). Obviously pure sugar is not ideal, but at least your body is going to be making use of a large portion of it during your training.

I don't know how far along you are in training, though. If you are still early on, then the sugar is not going to be all that helpful to you because you are unlikely to be depleting yourself to that level.

Another thing I will note is that marathon training is quite hard on the body. If you want to lose weight, focus on that in the early stages of training because as you get deep into training, all you will be able to focus on is the training, stretching, icing, resting, planning of the marathon training.

ninerbuff

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

suncluster

I can completely understand. Running makes me really hungry and the first thing I reach for is SUGAR. On top of that I am a (recovering) binger too. It is best to fill up on nutrient dense foods though so you can power through your next run. I rely on lots of water, protein, and fiber.

Depending on how long you are running try to add one more mile so that you can "earn" your treat. However, when you do have your sweet (and you should) try and remember that you don't want to eat back all the calories that you just burned off. Try a piece of fruit instead and eat it nice and slow.

The willpower to resist the binge won't come over night. You can tame the beast over time by making small choices that are better for you in the long run.

Good luck!

Acg67

Afternoon all,

This is my first post on here, after a while of feeling pretty horrible about myself I wanted to share my thoughts and to hopefully receive some words of wisdom! I'm in a bit of a strange situation and would really love to know if any of you have shared this kind of experience.

I've always thought of myself as "big", even when I weighed less than I do now, partly because of my height (I'm 5"11). In 2010 I managed to lose 2 1/2 stone through Weightwatchers but now, despite doing way more exercise than I was back then, my weight has crept back up again. I'm currently 13 stone 8 lbs.

I started running in 2011 and have signed up for my first marathon at the end of this year (a terrifying prospect), however I definitely don't have the typical runner's physique! My issue is that I'm addicted to sugar, big time. Obviously so much so that it's undoing all the good I'm doing by exercising. Chocolate is my biggest weakness and despite managing to go cold turkey a few times I always end up having a massive binge then going back to my old habits. I really feel like it's controlling me and the mid-afternoon cravings are unbearable, I usually end up giving into them rather than saying no. Ideally I'd like to get to a point where I can enjoy the occasional sweet treat (the thought of cutting out sweets for the rest of my life feels quite sad!) without feeling like life has to revolve around my next sugar fix.

Is anyone else going through something similar? Any advice on how to get out of this rut would be much appreciated :-)

Louise

Only way is a zero carb sugar detox

PatsyFitzpatrick

I get the whole addiction but for me it is all carbs. I follow MFP and include daily 1 to 3 pieces of Dove dark choc. It is just part of how much calorie and fat and SODIUM. I do not deny myself which does set one up for the big binge. If you are training for a marathon then you understand endurance and pace. This is not a race it is a lifestyle. Cut back allow for your treat and keep moving.

Success is a choice and you can do this.
Patsy

Linnaea27

For me, as I've learned to eat more carefully while losing weight, I have noticed that if I have any sugar, I will crave it and be much hungrier for the rest of the day. So I just don't eat sugary things until the evening, after dinner, unless it is a special occasion or I'm having our weekly pancakes/waffles for breakfast, which are so filling that even if I eat syrup with them, the sugar doesn't seem to get to me.

Discovering this has resulted in me eating a lot less sugar, and that means I usually don't crave it like I used to. I think that forcing yourself to drastically reduce your sugar intake for at least a month might be the only way you can deal with the cravings in the long term. Not having it makes you far, far more sensitive to the taste (and the physiological effects) of sugar, so after not having it for a while, you will probably find your "need" for it greatly reduced.

Something like this takes a heck of a lot of willpower and desire to change.

This brings to mind something I heard about high-fructose corn syrup triggering hunger hormones/responses more than other sugars. I believe I heard this on National Public Radio; I wish I could give a proper citation because I'm sure a lot of people will have a fit at this assertion. . . but there is something about HFCS-sweetened things I find especially disgusting, and craving-inducing (and always have, before I heard the above tidbit of info). So if you do eat sugar, try to at least have it be less refined varieties and not HFCS.

carliekitty

I run 4-11 miles daily, 6 days a week. I don't need extra calories or extra anything to achieve those runs. Lots of times i will run 10 miles then get depressed at the amount of calories i eat back….because its so small. You can't allow yourself to overdo the calories just because you run. FInd out what works for you. If you can't eat a little bit of chocolate then by all means avoid it until you can get a grip and realize you can manage to eat some chocolate everyday if you wanted to.

JessG11

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Me and this poster tend to disagree on some things....though I'm not saying he is wrong. He comes from a trainer/nutrition background and I come from a therapeutic and mental health background so it's natural we view things not so much different, but at different angles.

There is no where in the DSM (what I use for assessment and diagnostic criteria) that states sugar is an addictive substance. But, there is such thing as a Behavior Addiction which means certain behaviors can affect the "pleasure" system of your brain. There are also other disorders that can affect your eating patterns. Depression, anxiety, binge eating, just to name a few. I personally am not planning on cutting these things out completely forever. ONLY until I form new, healthier patterns. If you feel that you truly are completely helpless in managing this, if you feel it truly is a compulsion, then I would for sure seek some support and assistance to help gain some freedom, control and understanding!

Gioooo

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Only way is a zero carb sugar detox
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This.

JessG11

Did someone use the word detox? I don't remember seeing that.

ndj1979

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

amen....

ninerbuff

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Me and this poster tend to disagree on some things....though I'm not saying he is wrong. He comes from a trainer/nutrition background and I come from a therapeutic and mental health background so it's natural we view things not so much different, but at different angles.

There is no where in the DSM (what I use for assessment and diagnostic criteria) that states sugar is an addictive substance. But, there is such thing as a Behavior Addiction which means certain behaviors can affect the "pleasure" system of your brain. There are also other disorders that can affect your eating patterns. Depression, anxiety, binge eating, just to name a few. I personally am not planning on cutting these things out completely forever. ONLY until I form new, healthier patterns. If you feel that you truly are completely helpless in managing this, if you feel it truly is a compulsion, then I would for sure seek some support and assistance to help gain some freedom, control and understanding!

Not going to disagree on Behavior Addiction (gambling is a good example). I just wanted to put out there that sugar as a substance isn't an addiction and that people shouldn't think that it is. That's all.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Strokingdiction

Afternoon all,

This is my first post on here, after a while of feeling pretty horrible about myself I wanted to share my thoughts and to hopefully receive some words of wisdom! I'm in a bit of a strange situation and would really love to know if any of you have shared this kind of experience.

I've always thought of myself as "big", even when I weighed less than I do now, partly because of my height (I'm 5"11). In 2010 I managed to lose 2 1/2 stone through Weightwatchers but now, despite doing way more exercise than I was back then, my weight has crept back up again. I'm currently 13 stone 8 lbs.

I started running in 2011 and have signed up for my first marathon at the end of this year (a terrifying prospect), however I definitely don't have the typical runner's physique! My issue is that I'm addicted to sugar, big time. Obviously so much so that it's undoing all the good I'm doing by exercising. Chocolate is my biggest weakness and despite managing to go cold turkey a few times I always end up having a massive binge then going back to my old habits. I really feel like it's controlling me and the mid-afternoon cravings are unbearable, I usually end up giving into them rather than saying no. Ideally I'd like to get to a point where I can enjoy the occasional sweet treat (the thought of cutting out sweets for the rest of my life feels quite sad!) without feeling like life has to revolve around my next sugar fix.

Is anyone else going through something similar? Any advice on how to get out of this rut would be much appreciated :-)

Louise

Only way is a zero carb sugar detox

:laugh:

JessG11

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Me and this poster tend to disagree on some things....though I'm not saying he is wrong. He comes from a trainer/nutrition background and I come from a therapeutic and mental health background so it's natural we view things not so much different, but at different angles.

There is no where in the DSM (what I use for assessment and diagnostic criteria) that states sugar is an addictive substance. But, there is such thing as a Behavior Addiction which means certain behaviors can affect the "pleasure" system of your brain. There are also other disorders that can affect your eating patterns. Depression, anxiety, binge eating, just to name a few. I personally am not planning on cutting these things out completely forever. ONLY until I form new, healthier patterns. If you feel that you truly are completely helpless in managing this, if you feel it truly is a compulsion, then I would for sure seek some support and assistance to help gain some freedom, control and understanding!

Not going to disagree on Behavior Addiction (gambling is a good example). I just wanted to put out there that sugar as a substance isn't an addiction and that people shouldn't think that it is. That's all.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Shockingly Gambling is now listed in the DSM 5! But I get sidetracked.

Yes I agree with you. But I do understand what some people really mean when they say addiction such as they have no control over it, obsess over it, and feel better when they get it. But I want people to understand, the same as you I'm sure, that there is so much more to it!

Abakan

I completely understand what your going though, since Christmas I've craved chocolate and have put on 8lb, 2lb of which went on over the Easter weekend, before Christmas I'd hardly touched chocolate for 2 years and I no longer classed myself as a chocoholic.
I have now put a stop to it by eating little and often as another poster suggested . I've also put more variety into my running program by adding trail and mountain running . I'd allowed myself to believe it didn't matter what I ate anymore because I was running off the calories which just wasn't true, I was deluding myself and it had to stop.
Good luck with getting your chocolate cravings under control.

tennisdude2004

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Me and this poster tend to disagree on some things....though I'm not saying he is wrong. He comes from a trainer/nutrition background and I come from a therapeutic and mental health background so it's natural we view things not so much different, but at different angles.

There is no where in the DSM (what I use for assessment and diagnostic criteria) that states sugar is an addictive substance. But, there is such thing as a Behavior Addiction which means certain behaviors can affect the "pleasure" system of your brain. There are also other disorders that can affect your eating patterns. Depression, anxiety, binge eating, just to name a few. I personally am not planning on cutting these things out completely forever. ONLY until I form new, healthier patterns. If you feel that you truly are completely helpless in managing this, if you feel it truly is a compulsion, then I would for sure seek some support and assistance to help gain some freedom, control and understanding!

Not going to disagree on Behavior Addiction (gambling is a good example). I just wanted to put out there that sugar as a substance isn't an addiction and that people shouldn't think that it is. That's all.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Shockingly Gambling is now listed in the DSM 5! But I get sidetracked.

Yes I agree with you. I do understand what some people really mean when they say addiction such as they have no control over it, obsess over it, and feel better when they get it. But I want people to understand, the same as you I'm sure, that there is so much more to it!

julieworley376

First of all ban chocolate from the house and limit your grocery trips so that you are not tempted.

Try eating a big bowl of sugar free chocolate pudding or nibbling on dry chocolate cereal so that you get the taste and the sweetness but without as many calories.

Or you could try a big chilled fruit smoothie or even a chocolate smoothie, look around for brands that fit with your nutrition.

Look for something that has the taste and sweetness but is also very filling.

Another thing you could try is light calorie bread with peanut butter, maybe throw a banana in there too. Or eat it with crispy celery sticks.

Just some ideas.

tennisdude2004

This will more than likely start a HUGE thread of discussions/debate/fighting because some people believe moderation is the key and some believe that refraining.

One way to resolve this would be to try both - give both approaches a try flip a coin to choose which one first.

You don't know until you give them a go.

SonicDeathMonkey80

You can't be impulsive with your diet no matter how much you run. Be responsible for yourself and moderate your sugar/chocolate, or don't. It's that simple.

nancy10272004

Sugar isn't an ADDICTION. It would be unmanageable to "moderately" consume something someone is addicted to which is why alcoholics have to stay away from alcohol, cocaine addicts have to stay away from cocaine, etc. It's very palatable which is why many have a hard time giving it up or severely reducing it. But sugar is needed in the body so it's processed in the body one way or the other.
I think the best approach is to learn how eat what treats you like, but don't go overboard rather than abstaining completely from them. I've had way better results with clients maintaining weight loss with moderation approach, than from strict/abstinence approach.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

If you'd told me a year and a half ago that sugar wasn't an addiction, I would have taken you down and pelted you with cupcakes. But then I went to a treatment program for binge eating disorder and the first thing they told me was that there is no such thing.

WHAT?

After a week of treatment I was eating a regular sized portion of Oreos (3 cookies) and stopped eating 1200 calories of huge cupcakes at a time. I wouldn't even go so far as to call it a behavior addiction. I would classify it as a behavioral problem. CBT and DBT for the win!

Most of the time I just move along when I see people talking about their sugar addiction but I felt like putting my two cents in today. I agree to disagree with people who believe it is a true addiction.

Springfield1970

Self control is a muscle, you have to start building it in small steps.

Knock it on the head for a bit. Don't buy it! Have it now and again, and count it, put it in your allowance. Small pieces will be good.

If it creeps up again, refrain for a few days.

I'm like this with wine, and chocolate. I'm not giving either of them up, they are small pleasures that I enjoy, no way do they rule my life anymore. Having them stops me obsessing on them.

neandermagnon

How many calories per day are you eating? Running marathons requires a LOT of carbohydrate.

The reason why I ask is that before you diagnose yourself with "sugar addiction" - you need to check you're actually eating enough food to sustain your body and your activity levels, including either a realistic assessment of your activity factor (if you're using the TDEE - x% method) or you're accurately calculating and eating back your exercise calories (if you're using the MFP method), Strong cravings for carbohydrates is most often caused by not actually eating enough food, and this is a normal, healthy survival response that evolved to stop our evolutionary ancestors starving to death because they didn't know what a calorie was or how many they should eat in a day.

Even if you're obese, you still need to eat enough to sustain your body and activity levels. If you're running marathons then you can't be obese enough to be able to get away with more than a 20% deficit. If you're also mentally exaggerating how much fat you have on your body (as many women do) and really your body fat percentage is in the healthy range, your deficit shouldn't be more than 10%. If you're training for and running marathons, then eating at a 20% or 10% deficit is a lot lot lot of calories. If you're not eating lots and lots of food and calories, including lots of carbohydrate, then you're not a sugar addict, you're a normal human who is experiencing strong sugar cravings and bingeing on high calorie food because your body isn't getting enough food/energy. The remedy for that is to eat more. All this going cold turkey from sugary foods will make that problem worse, not better.

Brandolin11

Not going to disagree on Behavior Addiction (gambling is a good example). I just wanted to put out there that sugar as a substance isn't an addiction and that people shouldn't think that it is. That's all.

I think something that is tripping us all up in this particular facet of the discussion is that for people who tend to binge on sugary treats (and when I say "sugary treats" I'm talking about foods w/a sugar/fat combo such as cookies, chocolate bars, or ice cream), it matters little whether or not it is behavior-driven, substance-driven, both, or neither. The scientists may be overly concerned with these details (as they should be), but the people practicing compulsive behavior could give two hoots about the minute discrepancies and semantics. This insight is important when doling out advice to them.

Sugary/fatty treats or Salty/fatty treats may not ACTUALLY be an addictive substance (though remember - that has not been proven yet and some studies are heavily leaning toward demonstrating that they are), but they still often ACT like and MASK themselves as addictive substances for many, many people. Thus, the solution for dealing with this particular problem is more often than not different than it'd be for the typical person.

I say this because if it were merely "behavior addiction" then theoretically I should have been able to "learn to control myself" with things like cupcakes/ben and jerry's/harry and david's moose munch, for example even though I went to counseling and weight watchers and took prozac and read books and journaled and prayed and wished and hoped and tried moderation and tried everything under the sun for 10 years....but could NEVER conquer it. Even after attending Overeaters Anonymous and learning moderation with a host of other foods that used to trip me up....I just COULD NOT control myself with the sugary treats.

For me, personally, I had to THINK of sugary treats like an addictive substance (whether it was or not). Once I did this, the fog lifted from my brain and everything began to fall into place (mentally and emotionally). The Twelve Steps of OA suddenly made sense. Abstinence from those treats became the most powerful tool I ever wielded in my life. When done right and understood properly, it is not "restriction" and does not "tempt" you to eat more. It eradicated my cravings and I never suffered from them again. I subsequently learned I was actually quite a disciplined person and proceed to lose about 68 lbs in less than one year.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is... while it's good to point out that science has not PROVEN whether sugar/fat combos are actually addictive, we should still listen carefully to folks indicating they are having compulsive problems with these foods, be careful not to dismiss them, and suggest that they try one of two methods for overcoming these compulsions: either Moderation OR Abstinence - and leave that up to that person to determine which works for themselves. Both methods have been proven to work for people - it's just a matter of which type you are.

Springfield1970

I say grow up. You're not 6 anymore. You can't be impulsive with your diet no matter how much you run. Be responsible for yourself and moderate your sugar/chocolate, or don't. It's that simple.

In a way this is right.

I have to talk to myself like this or my life is one big misery.

I can't stand even weighing more than 130lb. It makes me feel AWFUL.

It gets easier, particularly with a site like MFP.

tennisdude2004

Afternoon all,

This is my first post on here, after a while of feeling pretty horrible about myself I wanted to share my thoughts and to hopefully receive some words of wisdom! I'm in a bit of a strange situation and would really love to know if any of you have shared this kind of experience.

I've always thought of myself as "big", even when I weighed less than I do now, partly because of my height (I'm 5"11). In 2010 I managed to lose 2 1/2 stone through Weightwatchers but now, despite doing way more exercise than I was back then, my weight has crept back up again. I'm currently 13 stone 8 lbs.

I started running in 2011 and have signed up for my first marathon at the end of this year (a terrifying prospect), however I definitely don't have the typical runner's physique! My issue is that I'm addicted to sugar, big time. Obviously so much so that it's undoing all the good I'm doing by exercising. Chocolate is my biggest weakness and despite managing to go cold turkey a few times I always end up having a massive binge then going back to my old habits. I really feel like it's controlling me and the mid-afternoon cravings are unbearable, I usually end up giving into them rather than saying no. Ideally I'd like to get to a point where I can enjoy the occasional sweet treat (the thought of cutting out sweets for the rest of my life feels quite sad!) without feeling like life has to revolve around my next sugar fix.

Is anyone else going through something similar? Any advice on how to get out of this rut would be much appreciated :-)

Louise

Only way is a zero carb sugar detox

Yad!

Sugar cravings can be a very real thing and very habitual and hard to break.

My advice will be try cutting most of the junk food, especially the ones that trigger the cravings.

Understand that its unlikely you do not have a physical need for the sugar based junk food and more likely a psychological draw (but that's fine it means you can work on that area of equation).

Try cutting it for about a month (it will be tough) but after a month when you feel the cravings are gone or drastically reduced, try re-introducing them in moderation.

You may feel like many that when you are at the point of re-introducing them you actually realise there is sometimes no point based on the nutritional return you get for the calories.

Good luck with however you do it.

geebusuk

I run and so on, on occasion.

I also eat a lot of sugary stuff.

However, I won't eat a sugary treat until I've met my protein goal and without there being enough calories left in the day and enough left that I can have something at 9pm, so I'm not too hungry until I next eat.

In some cases this may mean going for a run purely with the intent of eating some nice food.

neandermagnon

Not going to disagree on Behavior Addiction (gambling is a good example). I just wanted to put out there that sugar as a substance isn't an addiction and that people shouldn't think that it is. That's all.

I think something that is tripping us all up in this particular facet of the discussion is that for people who tend to binge on sugary treats (and when I say "sugary treats" I'm talking about foods w/a sugar/fat combo such as cookies, chocolate bars, or ice cream), it matters little whether or not it is behavior-driven, substance-driven, both, or neither. The scientists may be overly concerned with these details (as they should be), but the people practicing compulsive behavior could give two hoots about the minute discrepancies and semantics. This insight is important when doling out advice to them.

And it's also very frequently overlooked that cravings for food can have a purely physiological basis as a normal, healthy response to eating too little.

You can't diagnose someone with a psychological problem unless you've ruled out possible physiological causes for the behaviour in question. Arguing about whether on not psychological addiction to sugar exists is entirely missing the point if the cravings in question are actually caused by undereating.