America is doomed
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meh. natural selection.
It isn't natural selection when many poor people are obese because they can't afford healthy food. It's extermination. And if allowed to continue, America should be doomed.
This is a myth: -
a) healthy food is not more expensive
b) if people are so poor then surely they can only afford small amounts of unhealthy food anyway. You wouldnt put on weight....
Yeah, right. Healthy food isn't more expensive. Sure. And that is why I can't afford meat anymore and have more money when I overeat because the foods I buy when I overeat are so much cheaper.
This is of course rubbish and ignorant of the truth. And if you, as you admit, are overeating, then you are spending more than you should on food. So how is this cheaper?
Low carb with a heaping helping of vegetables on the side is healthier than mac and cheese, peanut butter and jelly, and cookies. And on low carb I don't have as much of an issue with cravings and overeating. But I can't afford meat anymore, so I have to buy foods I will overeat on.
And I'm relatively lucky, or I couldn't even contemplate trying to meet all my nutritional needs. I bought a tomato the other day in the grocery store. It cost four dollars. Admittedly, it was a big tomato, but some people have only four or five dollars a day to use for food, and they can't just eat a tomato.
FOUR dollars??? That €2.88 :noway: A regular tomato here is ~ €0.20
Out of curiosity, how much is a Big Mac?
Calorie for calorie, a big mac is a lot cheaper!
Senseless comparison. Why should the world's food prices be determined by calorie content?0 -
Calorie for calorie, a big mac is a lot cheaper!
Yes, but by portion size it is much more expensive. I believe grains and dairy actually come out the cheapest on this basis.
I also think cheap, highly palatable calories which provide little volume and satiety is exactly what causes most the problems in the first place: over consumption.
A diet based on whole, minimally refined foods works out the same if not cheaper in cost and provides less overall calories for the same level of hunger satisfaction.0 -
There IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.0 -
American beers = urine specimenThere IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
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There IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
I posted the ingredients list (a page or two ago) of our cheapest, nastiest white sliced bread here, and it still contained no sugar though.0 -
Maybe because the yeast eats all the sugar so they don't have to include it in the ingredients?
Meanwhile, if you're making bread at home, you probably don't want to omit the sugar from the recipe.
Yeast doesn't work that way. Yeast eats the carbs naturally present in the flour. It doesn't need added sugar. Not at all.
Oh, yeast actually *does* work that way...it just doesn't *have* to. Yeast will gladly eat sugar...that part, I know is true...but had forgotten that yeast will also eat that essentially-the-same-thing-as-sugar-wheat-flour too. The yeast treats them similarly...(I wonder why?).
I also wonder if there are any other living organisms that do the same...
You should read the above posts more carefully. The claim was that the added sugar is what the yeast uses to raise the bread. Which is entirely incorrect, as yeast requires NO added sugar at all, as it is designed to process natural carbohydrate, which is chemically far more complex than sucrose. People add sugar to yeast because they don't know any better, not because the yeast actually needs it.
You can literally add dry yeast to flour and water, and stick in the fridge for days on end, and it will cheerfully bubble away...if much more slowly. I've been doing that very thing for years. Its a common way to vastly improve the quality of bread.0 -
American beers = urine specimenThere IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
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Don't take the piss out of American beer >:(
It's needs all the flavour it can get :drinker:0 -
There IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
I posted the ingredients list (a page or two ago) of our cheapest, nastiest white sliced bread here, and it still contained no sugar though.
Maybe they're talking about the whole wheat bread...usually there is some brown sugar or molasses in that it order to improve the flavor. But thats common overseas as well.0 -
American beers = urine specimenThere IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
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See? This is exactly the sort of ignorance I'm talking about. Overseas they are exposed to what amounts to the McDonalds of beer. Things like Budweiser and Coors.
They are completely ignorant of the thousands of varieties of extremely good beer we produce in this country.0 -
Worth it.Pizza makes you FAT...and that is that.0 -
Beside the picture of the ingredients list of the white bread, I also posted the ingredients lost of wholemeal bread and again, no sugar.There IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
I posted the ingredients list (a page or two ago) of our cheapest, nastiest white sliced bread here, and it still contained no sugar though.
Maybe they're talking about the whole wheat bread...usually there is some brown sugar or molasses in that it order to improve the flavor. But thats common overseas as well.0 -
Beside the picture of the ingredients list of the white bread, I also posted the ingredients lost of wholemeal bread and again, no sugar.There IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
Its the case if your buying cheap factory bread, sure. Much as with anything else, you get quality if you pay more. Bakeries in the States don't add sugar to ciabatta, pugliese, various french breads, or anything else that traditionally doesn't call for it.
If you buy enriched bread, don't be surprised if its enriched.
Usually the case with "American" foods that foreigners are critical of is that they are getting the cheap stuff with the worst reputation. So many people think McDonalds and Budweiser is indicative of proper American food and beer...sad how it all works out. Its just marketing fooling people.
I posted the ingredients list (a page or two ago) of our cheapest, nastiest white sliced bread here, and it still contained no sugar though.
Maybe they're talking about the whole wheat bread...usually there is some brown sugar or molasses in that it order to improve the flavor. But thats common overseas as well.
Ah. Well that's what I get for extending the benefit of doubt lol.0 -
You know what's weird? I live in Canada and there is no such thing as "Canadian Bacon". We eat regular "strip" bacon and I have to cross the border into the states to get this so called "Canadian Bacon". Strange huh?I make homemade pepperoni, Canadian bacon and bacon pizzas. I have celiac so they are gluten free. Which, despite popular myth, makes them LESS healthy as rice flour has less fiber and a whole heck of a lot more simple sugars AND more calories. It's also made with a TON of cheese. The secret to eating this and not being an "overweight American"? DO NOT EAT THE ENTIRE FREAKING PIZZA IN ONE SITTING! Throw in some veggies, fruit, sleep and plenty of water and you're set. Exercise helps too! :flowerforyou: Oh and I do have ice cream, with a touch of chocolate sauce, for dessert. Same thing... don't eat the entire gallon!
americans refer peameal bacon as canadian bacon no? ive never actually seen "Canadian bacon" anywhere in the states, but i dont go there often and when i have i dont go grocery shopping or out for breakfast0 -
Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?0 -
You know what's weird? I live in Canada and there is no such thing as "Canadian Bacon". We eat regular "strip" bacon and I have to cross the border into the states to get this so called "Canadian Bacon". Strange huh?I make homemade pepperoni, Canadian bacon and bacon pizzas. I have celiac so they are gluten free. Which, despite popular myth, makes them LESS healthy as rice flour has less fiber and a whole heck of a lot more simple sugars AND more calories. It's also made with a TON of cheese. The secret to eating this and not being an "overweight American"? DO NOT EAT THE ENTIRE FREAKING PIZZA IN ONE SITTING! Throw in some veggies, fruit, sleep and plenty of water and you're set. Exercise helps too! :flowerforyou: Oh and I do have ice cream, with a touch of chocolate sauce, for dessert. Same thing... don't eat the entire gallon!
americans refer peameal bacon as canadian bacon no? ive never actually seen "Canadian bacon" anywhere in the states, but i dont go there often and when i have i dont go grocery shopping or out for breakfast
Canadian bacon, as I understand it, is bacon made from the loin as opposed to the belly. Bacon in the UK is generally made from the loin, though of course they also have the streaky belly bacon.
Pretty sure the "Canadian bacon" comes from the British-style bacon that used to be more prevalent there. In America they never developed a tradition of making loin bacon.
Canadian bacon seems to be mostly considered to be ham...but obviously ham isn't made from the loin...so that's wrong...0 -
Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
There are fantasy lands populated with the sorts of fools who would make such sweeping generalizations about collections of imaginary lines, I'm sure. I was stationed in Europe for two years once upon a time. Travelled pretty extensively throughout during the time.
Great place to visit...can't imagine wanting to live there.0 -
Duh! That's like saying "water is wet".Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?0 -
Duh! That's like saying "water is wet".Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
Inferiority complex.
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I have never been, but I have an unnatural obsession with England and would like to live there for at least a few years at some point in my life. I would still want to come back to the US, though. It's my home.Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
There are fantasy lands populated with the sorts of fools who would make such sweeping generalizations about collections of imaginary lines, I'm sure. I was stationed in Europe for two years once upon a time. Travelled pretty extensively throughout during the time.
Great place to visit...can't imagine wanting to live there.
I do not want to come back to the US because I think it's necessarily better. It's just different. Heaven forbid anyone respect that there are different cultures with different customs and foods. *shrug*
Is the food in Italy the same as the food in France? Why don't people compare those countries' foods and decide one is superior and the other is stupid and evil?0 -
There shouldn't be confusion over why so many Americans are overweight when a popular pizza chain advertises on the radio a new "double pepperoni and bacon" pizza. I'm sure most people who eat something like that don't know or care how much fat and calories they are getting. The restaurant would say they are just giving people what they want.
And they are, people can eat what they want as far as i'm concerned, no one else's business
Exactly. And it's not what, it's how much and how often.0 -
If I had an inferiority complex I would be saying that America is just as good as Europe. :laugh:
Duh! That's like saying "water is wet".Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
Inferiority complex.0 -
I have never been, but I have an unnatural obsession with England and would like to live there for at least a few years at some point in my life. I would still want to come back to the US, though. It's my home.Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
There are fantasy lands populated with the sorts of fools who would make such sweeping generalizations about collections of imaginary lines, I'm sure. I was stationed in Europe for two years once upon a time. Travelled pretty extensively throughout during the time.
Great place to visit...can't imagine wanting to live there.
I do not want to come back to the US because I think it's necessarily better. It's just different. Heaven forbid anyone respect that there are different cultures with different customs and foods. *shrug*
Is the food in Italy the same as the food in France? Why don't people compare those countries' foods and decide one is superior and the other is stupid and evil?
Oh, they do. They have amazing levels of infighting amongst themselves. You think Americans have a problem with burning on the French? They've got nothing on the Brits. And vice-versa.
Its all stupid, of course. Antiamericanism is just another flavor of the same ignorance that goes with anyone bashing anyone else on the basis of borders. Its usually just ignorance and stereotyping.
Americans are fat and stupid cowboys, the French are all effeminate little *kitten* men in striped shirts smoking cigarettes, and the Brits are a bunch of pale people with silly hats and bad teeth.
Its all good for a laugh. Unfortunately some people take it seriously.0 -
It's just not the US. I don't know about the rest of Canada but Quebec is just as bad if not worse. Bread tastes like cake, beans taste like dessert and dessert tastes like sugar with flavourings.There IS more added sugar in USA bread - my daughter was living in USA for 6 months and she noticed, as other Australians in USA have, that the bread tastes much sweeter.
Out of curiosity I googled USA bread info and compared to bread labels here - obviously I didnt include every bread on either market but I compared the standard white breads - there was more sugar in USA breads - it is not just perception or hearsay, it is the case.
Whether or not that is relevant to thread IDK - but there it is.
There's nothing wrong with that, btw, I think a lot of people are getting their jimmies rustled in this thread because they see this remark as an attack on US/N.American cuisine. It isn't, just a feature of it.
But seriously, bread has no business tasting sweet.
Nope, just the bread.Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.0 -
I have listened to the French and British go after each other mostly joking around. And I can even take a joke about American stereotypes. But it's very rarely a joke.
I have never been, but I have an unnatural obsession with England and would like to live there for at least a few years at some point in my life. I would still want to come back to the US, though. It's my home.Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
There are fantasy lands populated with the sorts of fools who would make such sweeping generalizations about collections of imaginary lines, I'm sure. I was stationed in Europe for two years once upon a time. Travelled pretty extensively throughout during the time.
Great place to visit...can't imagine wanting to live there.
I do not want to come back to the US because I think it's necessarily better. It's just different. Heaven forbid anyone respect that there are different cultures with different customs and foods. *shrug*
Is the food in Italy the same as the food in France? Why don't people compare those countries' foods and decide one is superior and the other is stupid and evil?
Oh, they do. They have amazing levels of infighting amongst themselves. You think Americans have a problem with burning on the French? They've got nothing on the Brits. And vice-versa.
Its all stupid, of course. Antiamericanism is just another flavor of the same ignorance that goes with anyone bashing anyone else on the basis of borders. Its usually just ignorance and stereotyping.
Americans are fat and stupid cowboys, the French are all effeminate little *kitten* men in striped shirts smoking cigarettes, and the Brits are a bunch of pale people with silly hats and bad teeth.
Its all good for a laugh. Unfortunately some people take it seriously.
I have had the pleasure of meeting a lot of European expats living in the US. They have all told me they thought America and Americans were just awful until they actually lived here for a while and got to know the country and people.
Most of the people in this thread are not kidding or teasing. I get sick of the bashing. I know there are some jerk Americans who do it, but it isn't all that common.0 -
But seriously, bread has no business tasting sweet.
Depends on the kind of bread, though. Rye shouldn't taste sweet, but a yeast roll should.
I've been eating American bread (store bought, homemade, whatever) for 37 years. Some are sweet. Some aren't.0 -
???Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
We were actually talking about the differences between obesity rates and foods.
Sit down and chill out.0 -
What about that post makes you think I'm standing up and freaking out in any way?
???Moral of the thread:
America sucks. Europe is superior in every way.
Yes?
We were actually talking about the differences between obesity rates and foods.
Sit down and chill out.0 -
That is true! most food we have that are supposed to be from other countries are very westernized.0
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wars between US and England : 1, arguably 2 (that I know of)I have listened to the French and British go after each other mostly joking around. And I can even take a joke about American stereotypes. But it's very rarely a joke.
wars between US and France : plenty of periods of friction, but have there even been any?
wars between England and France : 1087 AD - 1856 AD with occasional truces0 -
What PennyVonDread said!!!!!!!!0
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