Extreme fatigue a quick nap turns into a all nighter, Help!

FatFreeFrolicking

OK.

I estimate your average TDEE is around 2100 per day.

WOW! Yeah, that's such a huge difference from 2086. Good thing you stepped up and corrected FatFreeFrolicking. Those extra 14 calories could cause OP to JSF.

Congratulations to FFF for her lucky guess that the OP has a sedentary lifestyle?

Yep, lucky she knows how to read and use a TDEE calculator, I guess. :laugh:

You're laughing, but it really is simply luck that her number was close to a decent best guess.

If OP had turned out to be a nurse, factory worker, daycare worker, or some other job that has her on her feet for hours a day then 2086 would have been a dramatic underestimation.

This is not a point you can argue, nor is it worth arguing.,

The funny part is that *all* the calculators are just an estimate to begin with, so 2100 is also a guess. The calorie-out part of the equation is where the "everyone is different" comes into play. She will have to pick an estimated TDEE for a starting point and make adjustments based on progress.

And I wouldn't have said anything at all had you been polite to FFF in the first place. There was no call to be rude.

Bahahaha :laugh: Thank you WendyTerry420 for acknowledging Jonnythan's condescending demeanor. Glad I'm not the only one who notices! He has it out to get me.

I don't think he's out to get you personally. He just needs to learn how to be polite. Some people have an incessant need to be The One with the answers, as if no one else knows how to plug numbers into an internet calculator.

And it's true that all TDEE calculators are estimates. When I first started, all the calculators were saying that my TDEE was around 2100, but after several months of meticulous tracking, my actual TDEE turned out to be about 2500. The calculators are based on averages, so they can be very close for most people, but can also be outrageously wrong for outliers.

Couldn't agree with you more! His posts show that he thinks he's the only one who knows what he's talking about and speaks to others as if he's better than them.

FatFreeFrolicking

OK.

I estimate your average TDEE is around 2100 per day.

WOW! Yeah, that's such a huge difference from 2086. Good thing you stepped up and corrected FatFreeFrolicking. Those extra 14 calories could cause OP to JSF.

Congratulations to FFF for her lucky guess that the OP has a sedentary lifestyle?

Yep, lucky she knows how to read and use a TDEE calculator, I guess. :laugh:

You're laughing, but it really is simply luck that her number was close to a decent best guess.

If OP had turned out to be a nurse, factory worker, daycare worker, or some other job that has her on her feet for hours a day then 2086 would have been a dramatic underestimation.

This is not a point you can argue, nor is it worth arguing.,

The funny part is that *all* the calculators are just an estimate to begin with, so 2100 is also a guess. The calorie-out part of the equation is where the "everyone is different" comes into play. She will have to pick an estimated TDEE for a starting point and make adjustments based on progress.

And I wouldn't have said anything at all had you been polite to FFF in the first place. There was no call to be rude.

Bahahaha :laugh: Thank you WendyTerry420 for acknowledging Jonnythan's condescending demeanor. Glad I'm not the only one who notices! He has it out to get me.

I don't think he's out to get you personally. He just needs to learn how to be polite. Some people have an incessant need to be The One with the answers, as if no one else knows how to plug numbers into an internet calculator.

And it's true that all TDEE calculators are estimates. When I first started, all the calculators were saying that my TDEE was around 2100, but after several months of meticulous tracking, my actual TDEE turned out to be about 2500. The calculators are based on averages, so they can be very close for most people, but can also be outrageously wrong for outliers.

Sometimes, giving someone advice on how much to eat and how to combat fatigue covers more information than plugging height, weight, age, and number of times they exercise per week into an online calculator.

FWIW, I think the online calculators are mostly worthless. The only ones I use are BMR estimators. From there I do the rest of the calculation manually.

Guess what- you aren't the only one who is capable of giving advice on how much to eat and how to combat fatigue. Considering I'm a diagnosed insomniac based on my sleep study results, I am more than qualified to give OP suggestions.

jonnythan

Considering I'm a diagnosed insomniac based on my sleep study results, I am more than qualified to give OP suggestions.

There are no words. Being an insomniac qualifies you to give advice to someone who is sleeping too much.

Priceless and typical.

WendyTerry420

OK.

I estimate your average TDEE is around 2100 per day.

WOW! Yeah, that's such a huge difference from 2086. Good thing you stepped up and corrected FatFreeFrolicking. Those extra 14 calories could cause OP to JSF.

Congratulations to FFF for her lucky guess that the OP has a sedentary lifestyle?

Yep, lucky she knows how to read and use a TDEE calculator, I guess. :laugh:

You're laughing, but it really is simply luck that her number was close to a decent best guess.

If OP had turned out to be a nurse, factory worker, daycare worker, or some other job that has her on her feet for hours a day then 2086 would have been a dramatic underestimation.

This is not a point you can argue, nor is it worth arguing.,

The funny part is that *all* the calculators are just an estimate to begin with, so 2100 is also a guess. The calorie-out part of the equation is where the "everyone is different" comes into play. She will have to pick an estimated TDEE for a starting point and make adjustments based on progress.

And I wouldn't have said anything at all had you been polite to FFF in the first place. There was no call to be rude.

Bahahaha :laugh: Thank you WendyTerry420 for acknowledging Jonnythan's condescending demeanor. Glad I'm not the only one who notices! He has it out to get me.

I don't think he's out to get you personally. He just needs to learn how to be polite. Some people have an incessant need to be The One with the answers, as if no one else knows how to plug numbers into an internet calculator.

And it's true that all TDEE calculators are estimates. When I first started, all the calculators were saying that my TDEE was around 2100, but after several months of meticulous tracking, my actual TDEE turned out to be about 2500. The calculators are based on averages, so they can be very close for most people, but can also be outrageously wrong for outliers.

Sometimes, giving someone advice on how much to eat and how to combat fatigue covers more information than plugging height, weight, age, and number of times they exercise per week into an online calculator.

FWIW, I think the online calculators are mostly worthless. The only ones I use are BMR estimators. From there I do the rest of the calculation manually.

It's still a guess. An educated guess, maybe, but a guess nonetheless.

jonnythan

Indeed, which is why I urge periodic reevaluation.

Springfield1970

OK.

I estimate your average TDEE is around 2100 per day.

WOW! Yeah, that's such a huge difference from 2086. Good thing you stepped up and corrected FatFreeFrolicking. Those extra 14 calories could cause OP to JSF.

Congratulations to FFF for her lucky guess that the OP has a sedentary lifestyle?

Yep, lucky she knows how to read and use a TDEE calculator, I guess. :laugh:

You're laughing, but it really is simply luck that her number was close to a decent best guess.

If OP had turned out to be a nurse, factory worker, daycare worker, or some other job that has her on her feet for hours a day then 2086 would have been a dramatic underestimation.

This is not a point you can argue, nor is it worth arguing.,

The funny part is that *all* the calculators are just an estimate to begin with, so 2100 is also a guess. The calorie-out part of the equation is where the "everyone is different" comes into play. She will have to pick an estimated TDEE for a starting point and make adjustments based on progress.

And I wouldn't have said anything at all had you been polite to FFF in the first place. There was no call to be rude.

Bahahaha :laugh: Thank you WendyTerry420 for acknowledging Jonnythan's condescending demeanor. Glad I'm not the only one who notices! He has it out to get me.

I don't think he's out to get you personally. He just needs to learn how to be polite. Some people have an incessant need to be The One with the answers, as if no one else knows how to plug numbers into an internet calculator.

And it's true that all TDEE calculators are estimates. When I first started, all the calculators were saying that my TDEE was around 2100, but after several months of meticulous tracking, my actual TDEE turned out to be about 2500. The calculators are based on averages, so they can be very close for most people, but can also be outrageously wrong for outliers.

Sometimes, giving someone advice on how much to eat and how to combat fatigue covers more information than plugging height, weight, age, and number of times they exercise per week into an online calculator.

FWIW, I think the online calculators are mostly worthless. The only ones I use are BMR estimators. From there I do the rest of the calculation manually.

Guess what- you aren't the only one who is capable of giving advice on how much to eat and how to combat fatigue. Considering I'm a diagnosed insomniac based on my sleep study results, I am more than qualified to give OP suggestions.

This had nothing to do with insomnia though did it?

We just took a little time to establish what kind of lifestyle activity the OP had.

It's not unreasonable to wait for that kind of information.

I'm glad everyone managed to work it out for the OP in the end. Hooray!

Why people can't get off their lazy arses and do it themselves is probably a big clue as to why they are ultimately going to spoon it in the end too.

krawhitham

You aren't eating enough. I am 5'4" 160 lbs and my BMR is ~1425

BMR won't go down to 1200 until someone our height reaches 120 lbs or so for our height.

Eat 1550-1700 calories a day and you'll be fine.

FatFreeFrolicking

Considering I'm a diagnosed insomniac based on my sleep study results, I am more than qualified to give OP suggestions.

There are no words. Being an insomniac qualifies you to give advice to someone who is sleeping too much.

Priceless and typical.

Uhh, OP is battling fatigue. Because I don't sleep well, I also battle extreme fatigue. There was a point in my life where I didn't have insomnia and instead would sleep for 12+ hours and still have extreme fatigue. I meet with my sleep specialist frequently and learn tons of information from him- regarding both sides (insomnia and sleeping too much).

LaraineET25

Thyroid problems could be a possibility too. I had the same problem, coming home from work, I'd put dinner in the oven and have to set my alarm for when it would b ready as if I sat down I'd be asleep in 5 minutes and that would be me out for the night. When I went to the doctor, blood tests showed I had severely underactive thyroid.

rayofsunshine2368

I see someone else is like me. a lot of pushing at the gym. I get fatigued at times i just fight to stay awake until atleast 9. maybe just take a shower or keep yourself ocupied. if it gets too bad might want to see Dr. might be needing vitamins or lacking something. I dont know not a Dr. lol I just know I get that way at times.

think its the age of menopause as well. for me.:blushing:

FatFreeFrolicking

Thyroid problems could be a possibility too. I had the same problem, coming home from work, I'd put dinner in the oven and have to set my alarm for when it would b ready as if I sat down I'd be asleep in 5 minutes and that would be me out for the night. When I went to the doctor, blood tests showed I had severely underactive thyroid.

Thank you for sharing. This is exactly why I suggested OP go to her doctor and have tests performed.

jonnythan

Considering I'm a diagnosed insomniac based on my sleep study results, I am more than qualified to give OP suggestions.

There are no words. Being an insomniac qualifies you to give advice to someone who is sleeping too much.

Priceless and typical.

Uhh, OP is battling fatigue. Because I don't sleep well, I also battle extreme fatigue. There was a point in my life where I didn't have insomnia and instead would sleep for 12+ hours and still have extreme fatigue. I meet with my sleep specialist frequently and learn tons of information from him- regarding both sides (insomnia and sleeping too much).

Oh so you're qualified to give advice because you had insomnia.... but the actual relevant experience is from when you slept 12+ hours and still had extreme fatigue.

Well OK then.

jonnythan

Thyroid problems could be a possibility too. I had the same problem, coming home from work, I'd put dinner in the oven and have to set my alarm for when it would b ready as if I sat down I'd be asleep in 5 minutes and that would be me out for the night. When I went to the doctor, blood tests showed I had severely underactive thyroid.

Thank you for sharing. This is exactly why I suggested OP go to her doctor and have tests performed.

Except you said she should see her doctor and have a sleep study done. Not blood tests.

Look. It's premature to send this woman off to her doctor for blood tests and sleep studies. She's recently started exercising a great deal and combined it with huge calorie deficits.... and suddenly she's sleeping a couple more hours than usual. There's no huge mystery here.

Let's fix the obvious stuff - the undereating and overtraining - before we diagnose her with insomnia and thyroid conditions, eh?

CynGyn

Thank you everyone who commented, I am going to beef up the calories and see from there. I appreciate all your advice and will def work on learning more about the food intake etc. I cannot say I ever worked out this consistently in my life, but I am committed.

glezgae

Sounds like you need more carbs for energy.