1200 cals is just fine. 1100 is just fine too. If....
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I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.0 -
its not just "fine" I would love to see your nutritional breakdown. Sure maybe you are meeting your macros/micros but what about a deeper level? Sodium? Potassium? Iron? Cal;cium? Vitamins???'
Truth! very hard to meet your nutritional requirements on so little food. yeah, you can hit your macros (most that low don't even try), but the micronutrients women need like calcium and iron are generally out the window.0 -
I'm inclined to believe you, seeing as I'm 5'10 (21 f) and my maintenance is somewhere around 1550 (net).
sure...
I am 5 ft 7 twice your age and maintain on 2200...perspective...
If your statement is "fact" and not assumptions...then it is possible if you have had a long term ED and you have damaged your metabolism which can be fixed btw..
and by fact I mean measured in a clinical setting by qualified professionals...Thanks, OP, my thoughts exactly. I'm just under 5'2", older, and eat lower calories and get plenty of nutrients. I'm healthier than I've ever been since I changed my eating habits. I lost 80 lbs last year, have a few more to lose and my doctor is totally okay with the way I did it. I have also been able to stop my two blood pressure medications. I consider that a total win..
If you were supervised that is one thing but GP's are not dieticians and take 1/2 semester course on nutrition which totals about 20 hours...I had family/friends tell me even their professors tell them that course isn't nearly enough to give out advice on diet etc and in order to do that they really should have a 2 semester course with at least 120 hours in class and even then only a registered dietician should be giving out advice on nutrition and diet and only if they are current.
"Damaged your metabolism"? Please explain :huh:0 -
okay well then...at 30lbs a TDEE-20% deficet is too high...sorry...
1/2lb a week is a good healthy rate of loss for 30lbs...so that is TDEE-10%
This. A lot of the shorter/slimmer people here who are already at a healthy weight (or near enough) seem to think they can eat at a big deficit like those who are severely overweight.
The smaller you are the less of a deficit you should have. Just because you can choose the -2lbs a weeks option doesnt mean it is the best thing for you to do.
On the flip side those who are very obese should still have more than 1200 a day in order to get the fuel and nutrition needed for their bigger bodies. When I first started I was losing 2lbs a week on 2100 calories, I definately should not have gone down as low as 1200. Imagine the lean muscle that would have been stripped off me!
1200 may be 'fine' for some people but giving a blanket 'yes' is just as silly as giving a blanket 'no' dont you think?
Not true
Very short and tiny here and lose at 1600 a day. Only lightly active as well, with thyroid (medical) issues.
I tend not to support WLS?low cal/medical conditions as an excuse to take short cuts.
OP you are short cutting yourself.
Adjust your numbers to lose .25 lbs. You have all the time in the world to do so and your body and mind will thank you for it.
What was it exactly that you were disagreeing with?
I said a lot not all.
1200 is the bare minimum for women...period...and at those levels if you are not very very careful you are missing out on a lot of macro/micro nutrients...period...and it doesn't matter how much weight you lose, you are losing a lot more than fat...
Yes....thats what I said.
Or at least how I meant it to come across :huh:
Unless you'e a sedentary midget you need more than 1200 a day.0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
most if not all of it because she doesn't weigh her food...0 -
I'm inclined to believe you, seeing as I'm 5'10 (21 f) and my maintenance is somewhere around 1550 (net).
sure...
I am 5 ft 7 twice your age and maintain on 2200...perspective...
If your statement is "fact" and not assumptions...then it is possible if you have had a long term ED and you have damaged your metabolism which can be fixed btw..
and by fact I mean measured in a clinical setting by qualified professionals...Thanks, OP, my thoughts exactly. I'm just under 5'2", older, and eat lower calories and get plenty of nutrients. I'm healthier than I've ever been since I changed my eating habits. I lost 80 lbs last year, have a few more to lose and my doctor is totally okay with the way I did it. I have also been able to stop my two blood pressure medications. I consider that a total win..
If you were supervised that is one thing but GP's are not dieticians and take 1/2 semester course on nutrition which totals about 20 hours...I had family/friends tell me even their professors tell them that course isn't nearly enough to give out advice on diet etc and in order to do that they really should have a 2 semester course with at least 120 hours in class and even then only a registered dietician should be giving out advice on nutrition and diet and only if they are current.
"Damaged your metabolism"? Please explain :huh:
you can cause adaptive thermogenisis to happen if you eat low calories for a long period of time.
Basically what happens is your body adapts to the low calories by slowing down the metabolism and if you continue this for years and years you have damaged your metablism...not break it but damage it to the point where yes your BMR is so low that you can't lose weight on a normal calorie intake.
This can be fixed as most who are recovering from ED can attest to. It requires eating more food, gaining weight and boosting your metabolism.0 -
its not just "fine" I would love to see your nutritional breakdown. Sure maybe you are meeting your macros/micros but what about a deeper level? Sodium? Potassium? Iron? Cal;cium? Vitamins???'
Truth! very hard to meet your nutritional requirements on so little food. yeah, you can hit your macros (most that low don't even try), but the micronutrients women need like calcium and iron are generally out the window.
Nutrition and calories consumed don't always correlate positively. It makes sense when you consider how easy it is to consume empty calories, rather then nutirent dense ones. The difference between 1100 and 1350 can be pretty minor nutritionally.0 -
Yeah, but I did work out. I did jog. I did bust my knees. Exercise did not improve my allergies and asthma, if anything, they were worse this past year than they have ever been. I don't blame exercise for that, by the way, I'm simply saying exercise didn't fix it and wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm getting a bit tired of people dismissing me when I say I simply cannot do something. You don't know me and my health problems. Advice is fine. Advice is welcome. But don't assume.
It's a shame that exercise is not working for you. Have you talked to your doctor about the inability to increase your activity through exercise? If you can't exercise, perhaps just increasing your general daily activity especially walking would help. I'm not sure of your age but I'm over 50. I specifically started exercising as a form of pain control. I can't do high impact or lift heavy but I've found a lot of exercises that I can do. My results have been a dramatic improvement in my asthma and I went from constant pain to greatly pain reduced. I have not had to take pain killers since last November! That doesn't mean I'm pain free, just the pain has been reduced through exercise to the point I can manage it without the use of pain killers. I have also experienced an improvement in gastrointestinal problems. So, I have had a very positive experience.
Well I guess I could go see a doctor, if I was willing to eat nothing but pb&j for a month to save the money up. Then I figure I'll get ten to fifteen minutes to explain the issues. The doctor might want to order tests if I insist I want an asthma diagnosis, but I can't afford that, so I'd like get told to take Tylenol and maybe walk slow instead of walking fast or jogging. I can figure that much out on my own. But why bother? I come back in all fatigued, snotty, and miserable, with a bit of vertigo.
I might get a prescription for the vertigo part, and maybe there is a new allergy medicine I haven't tried yet (it's been years since I bothered since none worked) but then I'll be eating pb&j all the time just to afford it. Then if I go back and say, "Doc, I feel even worse!" Well, if he's smart enough to ask what my diet is like and I say peanut butter and jelly, guess what? He'll tell me to eat better.
Better to save money for a bus or a plane ticket.0 -
Not to mention posters saying I am same height and I can lose at 1600 or whatever, totally ignoring fact they are 40 years younger than other posters.
Yep, that drives me crazy.
I just went on scooby's and found my tdee-20% at my age (30) and activity level (3-5 hours a week) and got 1920 to lose, which is what I currently eat. I then calculated for age 65 with the same activity level and got 1690 to lose.
*shrug*
People can eat 1100-1200 if they want to, but no one needs to.
And what if it was 0hrs of exercise per week at age 65?
1180 for no exercise.
I don't really think age is an excuse to be completely sedentary. Maybe I just have active older people in my life, i don't know. My mom is 52 and does hot yoga and her best friend is in her 60's and walks miles and miles in the park every day after work. I see quite a few senior citizens in my gym at 5:45 every MWF. While I admit that there are some medical conditions that may prevent older people from exercising as vigorously as I do, a lot of it is just excuses, excuses, excuses.
Also, not everyone in this thread who claims to "have to" eat 1200 calories is an older person, they are just claiming that they have to eat this way because they are short and female. I am 5'4" and maintain on 2600.0 -
It's actually pretty easy and inexpensive to get a prescription for a corticosteroid inhaler to treat your asthma symptoms. There are no expensive tests the doctor will want to perform before giving you such a prescription. There are also tests and shots you can get for allergy treatment as well. If asthma and allergies are affecting your life to the point you can't even perform mild physical activities, you really should find a way to see a doctor.0
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It's actually pretty easy and inexpensive to get a prescription for a corticosteroid inhaler to treat your asthma symptoms. There are no expensive tests the doctor will want to perform before giving you such a prescription. There are also tests and shots you can get for allergy treatment as well. If asthma and allergies are affecting your life to the point you can't even perform mild physical activities, you really should find a way to see a doctor.
Really? I thought they did some breathing test of some kind where they check oxygen levels. I should call the office and see if they'll let me try something (but I want non-steroid) based on symptoms, then. Thanks!0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
Wow, you are being kinda tough on the OP for using measuring cups and average fruit/veggies size, considering you put an awful lot of faith in Panda Express and Boston Market yesterday. Are you sure they were using a food scale?0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
Wow, you are being kinda tough on the OP for using measuring cups and average fruit/veggies size, considering you put an awful lot of faith in Panda Express and Boston Market yesterday. Are you sure they were using a food scale?
If someone wants to say my diary is inaccurate because of estimates based on fast food nutritional tables, I'd say "yes, you are correct."
My entries based on fast food nutrition information are indeed not totally accurate. I know that, and I accept that, and that's fine.
OP's diary is also not accurate. In fact OP doesn't seem to weigh or properly portion anything at all. OP's diary is highly inaccurate.
So... what's your point?0 -
People are quick to call someone a bully just because they disagree with something someone says. Don't be so sensitive and allow people to get under your skin and maybe it won't feel like people are trying to bully you. The world is not rainbows and unicorns.
Your doctor put you on that. Don't assume because your doctor put you on that, that it's the way for everyone. We are not all different. We are all humans. Hang around a little longer before you start criticizing what the community says. You might learn a thing or two.Gee...it's so nice to see so many people that are experts on diet and nutrition. i'll let my doctor know that i'm starving myself and punishing myself for being fat on the days i eat below 1200 cals (as instructed by him).
OP - you do what works for you
Everyone else who keeps telling her she is wrong - c'mon now. how can you know everything about what everyone needs? we are all different. telling people to eat under 1200 cals is just as bad as telling people to eat over 1200 cals. Unless you really are an expert and know each person individually. Everyone is different and everyone has to take a different path.
The whole expert thing fan go both ways here. The OP came off that way also, no?
Don't be part of the "omg people are so mean" group. No one likes a whiner.
No one likes bullies, either.
Quite frankly, if I didn't teach at a big campus, I would put my activity at sendentary. I have worn a pedometer for years, and when I stayed at home or worked an office job, my typical "mileage" stepcount was under a mile/2000 steps a day, not too many calories burned. Even a 30 minute walk for a small person burns under 100 calories -- what's that -- a Fiber One bar -- not an extra meal.
I am amazed it took 8 pages before Bully got thrown out...
The word "Bully" was thrown out because OP and one other poster were called whiners. A "whiner" is someone who complains -- "I track every day but I'm not losing because i ate that reese cup that I don't usually eat.....blah, blah." OP and some others are just stating what works for them.
Um, what? No one was bullying anyone.0 -
Yeah, but I did work out. I did jog. I did bust my knees. Exercise did not improve my allergies and asthma, if anything, they were worse this past year than they have ever been. I don't blame exercise for that, by the way, I'm simply saying exercise didn't fix it and wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm getting a bit tired of people dismissing me when I say I simply cannot do something. You don't know me and my health problems. Advice is fine. Advice is welcome. But don't assume.
It's a shame that exercise is not working for you. Have you talked to your doctor about the inability to increase your activity through exercise? If you can't exercise, perhaps just increasing your general daily activity especially walking would help. I'm not sure of your age but I'm over 50. I specifically started exercising as a form of pain control. I can't do high impact or lift heavy but I've found a lot of exercises that I can do. My results have been a dramatic improvement in my asthma and I went from constant pain to greatly pain reduced. I have not had to take pain killers since last November! That doesn't mean I'm pain free, just the pain has been reduced through exercise to the point I can manage it without the use of pain killers. I have also experienced an improvement in gastrointestinal problems. So, I have had a very positive experience.
Well I guess I could go see a doctor, if I was willing to eat nothing but pb&j for a month to save the money up. Then I figure I'll get ten to fifteen minutes to explain the issues. The doctor might want to order tests if I insist I want an asthma diagnosis, but I can't afford that, so I'd like get told to take Tylenol and maybe walk slow instead of walking fast or jogging. I can figure that much out on my own. But why bother? I come back in all fatigued, snotty, and miserable, with a bit of vertigo.
I might get a prescription for the vertigo part, and maybe there is a new allergy medicine I haven't tried yet (it's been years since I bothered since none worked) but then I'll be eating pb&j all the time just to afford it. Then if I go back and say, "Doc, I feel even worse!" Well, if he's smart enough to ask what my diet is like and I say peanut butter and jelly, guess what? He'll tell me to eat better.
Better to save money for a bus or a plane ticket.
Am I understanding correctly that you do not have an asthma diagnosis? I tried - good luck with your fitness goal.0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
Wow, you are being kinda tough on the OP for using measuring cups and average fruit/veggies size, considering you put an awful lot of faith in Panda Express and Boston Market yesterday. Are you sure they were using a food scale?
I said the same thing..just didn't list the foods which I could have...
Now go to my diary and try this...
She is probably eating about 1500 calories a day....just a guesstimate but I bet it's pretty damn close...0 -
Not to mention posters saying I am same height and I can lose at 1600 or whatever, totally ignoring fact they are 40 years younger than other posters.
Yep, that drives me crazy.
I just went on scooby's and found my tdee-20% at my age (30) and activity level (3-5 hours a week) and got 1920 to lose, which is what I currently eat. I then calculated for age 65 with the same activity level and got 1690 to lose.
*shrug*
People can eat 1100-1200 if they want to, but no one needs to.
And what if it was 0hrs of exercise per week at age 65?
1180 for no exercise.
I don't really think age is an excuse to be completely sedentary. Maybe I just have active older people in my life, i don't know. My mom is 52 and does hot yoga and her best friend is in her 60's and walks miles and miles in the park every day after work. I see quite a few senior citizens in my gym at 5:45 every MWF. While I admit that there are some medical conditions that may prevent older people from exercising as vigorously as I do, a lot of it is just excuses, excuses, excuses.
Also, not everyone in this thread who claims to "have to" eat 1200 calories is an older person, they are just claiming that they have to eat this way because they are short and female. I am 5'4" and maintain on 2600.
1180 is coma-level BMR. If you get out of bed its much higher. Even "sedentary" is going to add about 300 calories to that. The part of the calculator you want to read is the TDEE after setting everything, not the BMR.
I played with settings on Scooby's calculator to get to a TDEE of 1150 and it was a 70 pound 85 year old 4 foot tall woman who was sedentary.0 -
Not to mention posters saying I am same height and I can lose at 1600 or whatever, totally ignoring fact they are 40 years younger than other posters.
Yep, that drives me crazy.
I just went on scooby's and found my tdee-20% at my age (30) and activity level (3-5 hours a week) and got 1920 to lose, which is what I currently eat. I then calculated for age 65 with the same activity level and got 1690 to lose.
*shrug*
People can eat 1100-1200 if they want to, but no one needs to.
And what if it was 0hrs of exercise per week at age 65?
1180 for no exercise.
I don't really think age is an excuse to be completely sedentary. Maybe I just have active older people in my life, i don't know. My mom is 52 and does hot yoga and her best friend is in her 60's and walks miles and miles in the park every day after work. I see quite a few senior citizens in my gym at 5:45 every MWF. While I admit that there are some medical conditions that may prevent older people from exercising as vigorously as I do, a lot of it is just excuses, excuses, excuses.
Also, not everyone in this thread who claims to "have to" eat 1200 calories is an older person, they are just claiming that they have to eat this way because they are short and female. I am 5'4" and maintain on 2600.
1180 is coma-level BMR. If you get out of bed its much higher. Even "sedentary" is going to add about 300 calories to that. The part of the calculator you want to read is the TDEE after setting everything, not the BMR.
I played with settings on Scooby's calculator to get to a TDEE of 1150 and it was a 70 pound 85 year old 4 foot tall woman who was sedentary.
Scooby's calculator puts me at 1243 calories a day to lose weight and tells me I burn only 1554 sitting on my butt all day. I quibble, I'm guessing based on the last year of gaining and losing the same ten or fifteen pounds that I'm really burning just under 1500 sitting on my butt all day. But eh, what's a couple hundred calories? Or an extra 43 over the 1200 MFP recommends to lose a piddling <1 lb a week?
People can argue that I should do whatever it takes to get off my butt and not only burn 1500-ish calories a day, that's fine, I get that, and I don't deny being this sedentary is not good for me. But it makes no sense that people are trying to say I'm burning more. I know darn well I'm not, and two calculators say the same.0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
The way to measure rice is to measure the dry rice by weight before cooking. Same with melon - weigh the flesh that you are eating. And, indeed, same with avocado.
These are just examples. She appears to be accurately measuring nothing at all.0 -
You are short. And there are a lot of short gals on MFP, if you hadn't noticed us!
Oh, I didn't see you down there...0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
The way to measure rice is to measure the dry rice by weight before cooking. Same with melon - weigh the flesh that you are eating. And, indeed, same with avocado.
These are just examples. She appears to be accurately measuring nothing at all.
I measure/weigh the dry rice before cooking, then weigh the total end result (drained) and then do math to figure out the weight of the cooked servings...which gets me close except for the realization that rice evaporates at a not insignificant rate even when stored in a seemingly airtight container in the fridge...but it's closer than guessing, I suppose.0 -
do you.. live your life nobody can do it for you. if 1200 work for you do it if 2000 work for you do it. it is what it is.0
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do you.. live your life nobody can do it for you. if 1200 work for you do it if 2000 work for you do it. it is what it is.
And if you think 1200 is working for you now but years from now realize that there were ramifications of it that you hadn't considered and you wish someone had helped you out when you first mentioned it, so you start posting in others' 1200 threads trying to dissuade people from making the same mistakes you did...
...like so many have done in this thread, the thanks for which are people telling them the equivalent of "mind their own business."
(But no, let's all just do us and let everyone else stumble blindly down their own uninformed paths, right?)0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
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oh wait your serious...sorry...
logging accurately is the key to knowing intake...and as stated...food scale and all solids are weighed and liquids measured and logged appropriately...if raw..logged raw...if cook then logged how they are cooked...
121 calories in cooked rice 1/2cup..sure if it's white
361 in a cup of dry rice or 380 in 100g...but as you can see 1cup <>100g but on the box it says 1cup (100g)
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6393?fg=&man=&lfacet=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=white+rice+dry
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/6398?fg=&man=&lfacet=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=&qlookup=cooked+rice0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
My rice package reads...1/4 cup dry (50g) is 180 calories...cooked that is about a 1/2 cup...I believe.0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
The way to measure rice is to measure the dry rice by weight before cooking. Same with melon - weigh the flesh that you are eating. And, indeed, same with avocado.
These are just examples. She appears to be accurately measuring nothing at all.
I measure/weigh the dry rice before cooking, then weigh the total end result (drained) and then do math to figure out the weight of the cooked servings...which gets me close except for the realization that rice evaporates at a not insignificant rate even when stored in a seemingly airtight container in the fridge...but it's closer than guessing, I suppose.
Why? It looks like you eat out almost daily. I doubt that a few grains of dry rice will do much to make up for the inaccuracies of estimating restaurant food. The OP seems to rarely eat out. The things she is estimating are relatively low calorie, and it doesn't look like the selections she is choosing are grossly incorrect for the food. Saying that her calories are actually much higher seems to be grasping at straws, just becomes you disagree with her eating under 1200 calories.0 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
The way to measure rice is to measure the dry rice by weight before cooking. Same with melon - weigh the flesh that you are eating. And, indeed, same with avocado.
These are just examples. She appears to be accurately measuring nothing at all.
I measure/weigh the dry rice before cooking, then weigh the total end result (drained) and then do math to figure out the weight of the cooked servings...which gets me close except for the realization that rice evaporates at a not insignificant rate even when stored in a seemingly airtight container in the fridge...but it's closer than guessing, I suppose.
Why? It looks like you eat out almost daily. I doubt that a few grains of dry rice will do much to make up for the inaccuracies of estimating restaurant food. The OP seems to rarely eat out. The things she is estimating are relatively low calorie, and it doesn't look like the selections she is choosing are grossly incorrect for the food. Saying that her calories are actually much higher seems to be grasping at straws, just becomes you disagree with her eating under 1200 calories.
Why is my diary even being talked about here? What does my diary have to do with hers?0 -
Why? It looks like you eat out almost daily. I doubt that a few grains of dry rice will do much to make up for the inaccuracies of estimating restaurant food. The OP seems to rarely eat out. The things she is estimating are relatively low calorie, and it doesn't look like the selections she is choosing are grossly incorrect for the food. Saying that her calories are actually much higher seems to be grasping at straws, just becomes you disagree with her eating under 1200 calories.
the fact all her entries are inaccurate is why it's being said..not just a few grains of rice...and you would be surprised at how inaccurate you can be if you don't weigh.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1270280-food-weighing-scale-miracles?page=1#posts-197697260 -
I think people are confusing a VLCD diet with an LCD diet. A VLCD diet is 800 calories or less a day. A LCD diet is between 1000-1200 for women and between 1200 and 1600 for men. Granted, for a larger person, those numbers might qualify as VLCD, but for a sedentary mature petite adult (I'm not talking 20 year olds), eating between 1000-1200 calories does not create a huge deficit. For instance, if I were sedentary, my BMR requires only around 1380. So, for a person of that size, like OP, 1100 is not VLCD. Anyway, if the principle is that you are overweight and need to be burning extra fat, you are getting rid of fat reserves by eating at a deficit. Isn't that what the whole weight loss process is about? Of course, at some point, she will have to eat at maintenance, but that's only maybe 300 or 400 more calories.
If the OP's diary wasn't full of inaccurate logging etc she wouldn't have made this post. She thinks she is eating under 1200..I call bull on that...
What items do you thinks she is underestimating? Many of the items are European products, so it's hard for me to tell. The things I recognize seem to be fairly accurate. BTW, she is eating more than 1200 some days, but seems to have some activity level.
2 tomatoes.
0.5 cups rice
1 cup of melon
1 avocado
These are inaccurate, to say the least. Avocados and rice are calorie dense and these are clearly rough guesstimates.
Nothing whatsoever in her diary appears to be an exact measurement. Everything is half this, a third that, one of these.
How else do you measure rice? I eat .5 cup rice, which MFP says is 121 calories, which I put in a 1/2 cup measuring cup. How do you know she's not doing that? Are you in her kitchen watching her?
The only estimate that's under in this list is the avocado, which she has as 240, and comes out at 322 when I input it. A tomato has 22 calories, not a huge deal. We're not talking about ice cream and chips here.
As for the avocado, the crop this year has been *much* smaller than in prior years. It's actually been a serious problem for them from a marketing/business perspective. What was once about a 240g avocado is now 150g. Of course, I know this *BECAUSE I USE A DIGITAL FOOD SCALE*. *ahem* Sorry about that.
But anyhow, as I was saying, you have *no* idea the size of her avocado. None.
(I'm fairly good at estimating portions now...but only because I've weighed *a lot* of food (and try to guess before weighing a lot of it). You *can* become pretty good at it, but I can't imagine that's possible without a lot of practice with the scale to confirm your estimates.)
ETA: Whoops, I thought I was in the "2 year plateau" thread instead of the "<1200 is fine" thread. Rereading my response, however...I think it's still valid (with the deletion of a reference about cafeteria food).0
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