Foods aren't unhealthy, diets are.
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Yes there is - chilli! (No kidney beans though - ewwwww yuk)
No need for chili. Sorry, that's a "want." Try again. :laugh:0 -
Lol - are you an Audi driver!
I think it's really down to how sensitive you are about words.
Personally when I think of the term junk food, I think of high cal, low nutrient - great tasting food and something to have as a treat, mmmmm BBQ meat feast pizza.
If you have a negative association with the term junk food - that's your issue not mine!
I think maybe your problem with this whole junk food issue is you assume that just because someone (me in this instance) doesn't refers to something as good then I must mean that it's bad - not true.
Food that is not healthy is not necessarily unhealthy!
Junk already has a negative association attached to it..
If I say "wow, that house is a piece of junk" that implies something negative about the house.same thing with food. I did not make the connotation that is just how it is. Have you ever looked at something like you liked and called it junk???
Just saying that when you label food "junk" the implication is that it is bad or garbage...that is not a personal thing, that is just the connotation of the word...0 -
Lol - are you an Audi driver!
I think it's really down to how sensitive you are about words.
Personally when I think of the term junk food, I think of high cal, low nutrient - great tasting food and something to have as a treat, mmmmm BBQ meat feast pizza.
If you have a negative association with the term junk food - that's your issue not mine!
I think maybe your problem with this whole junk food issue is you assume that just because someone (me in this instance) doesn't refers to something as good then I must mean that it's bad - not true.
Food that is not healthy is not necessarily unhealthy!
Junk already has a negative association attached to it..
If I say "wow, that house is a piece of junk" that implies something negative about the house.same thing with food. I did not make the connotation that is just how it is. Have you ever looked at something like you liked and called it junk???
Just saying that when you label food "junk" the implication is that it is bad or garbage...that is not a personal thing, that is just the connotation of the word...
Like I said that's your issue to deal with not mine.0 -
Yes there is - chilli! (No kidney beans though - ewwwww yuk)
No need for chili. Sorry, that's a "want." Try again. :laugh:
No for me the meat (protein and fat) I get from the chilli is a need, the calorie return I get for the nutritional value (I don't drain all of the fat) makes it optimal.
I understand the point you are trying to make and if I were on your side of the argument I would make the same point.
So maybe need is the wrong choice of word.
Maybe the distinction should be want (for my normal daily go to food) and occasionally crave (for junk food - although I do not crave it that often, but when I do I have some).0 -
Lol - are you an Audi driver!
I think it's really down to how sensitive you are about words.
Personally when I think of the term junk food, I think of high cal, low nutrient - great tasting food and something to have as a treat, mmmmm BBQ meat feast pizza.
If you have a negative association with the term junk food - that's your issue not mine!
I think maybe your problem with this whole junk food issue is you assume that just because someone (me in this instance) doesn't refers to something as good then I must mean that it's bad - not true.
Food that is not healthy is not necessarily unhealthy!
Junk already has a negative association attached to it..
If I say "wow, that house is a piece of junk" that implies something negative about the house.same thing with food. I did not make the connotation that is just how it is. Have you ever looked at something like you liked and called it junk???
Just saying that when you label food "junk" the implication is that it is bad or garbage...that is not a personal thing, that is just the connotation of the word...
Like I said that's your issue to deal with not mine.
The circle of MFP
ndj1979 -
Maybe we should just start saying tennisdude2004's comments are junk comments. *shrugs*0 -
Yes there is - chilli! (No kidney beans though - ewwwww yuk)
No need for chili. Sorry, that's a "want." Try again. :laugh:
No for me the meat (protein and fat) I get from the chilli is a need, the calorie return I get for the nutritional value (I don't drain all of the fat) makes it optimal.
I understand the point you are trying to make and if I were on your side of the argument I would make the same point.
So maybe need is the wrong choice of word.
Maybe the distinction should be want (for my normal daily go to food) and occasionally crave (for junk food - although I do not crave it that often, but when I do I have some).
Yes, maybe you should buy a dictionary. Or upload one if you have a smart phone. You could use it.
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Page after page of multiquoted debates over minutae and word definitions totally overshadow the point of the OP and the logic and accuracy of the quoted post (also by the OP).
^^^This...
The multiquoted debates do keep pushing this back on the first page so at least I'm getting a wider audience to the idea even if the idea gets a bit muddled in the rest of the pages. I'll count it as a win.0 -
Page after page of multiquoted debates over minutae and word definitions totally overshadow the point of the OP and the logic and accuracy of the quoted post (also by the OP).
^^^This...
The multiquoted debates do keep pushing this back on the first page so at least I'm getting a wider audience to the idea even if the idea gets a bit muddled in the rest of the pages. I'll count it as a win.
OP, I think I've liked all of the posts I've seen written by you! I think your OP was great and hope it keeps getting bumped up.
Now, a silly question - who's diet is healthier?
The person who has a daily goal of 1500 calories and only eats "healthy" foods OR the person who has a daily goal of 3000 calories and eats everything the 1500 calorie person does times 1.5 and then eats 750 calories of "junk"?0 -
Lol - are you an Audi driver!
I think it's really down to how sensitive you are about words.
Personally when I think of the term junk food, I think of high cal, low nutrient - great tasting food and something to have as a treat, mmmmm BBQ meat feast pizza.
If you have a negative association with the term junk food - that's your issue not mine!
I think maybe your problem with this whole junk food issue is you assume that just because someone (me in this instance) doesn't refers to something as good then I must mean that it's bad - not true.
Food that is not healthy is not necessarily unhealthy!
Junk already has a negative association attached to it..
If I say "wow, that house is a piece of junk" that implies something negative about the house.same thing with food. I did not make the connotation that is just how it is. Have you ever looked at something like you liked and called it junk???
Just saying that when you label food "junk" the implication is that it is bad or garbage...that is not a personal thing, that is just the connotation of the word...
Like I said that's your issue to deal with not mine.
The circle of MFP
ndj1979 -
Maybe we should just start saying tennisdude2004's comments are junk comments. *shrugs*
apparently, since there is no negative connotation with the word then that would be fine...0 -
Page after page of multiquoted debates over minutae and word definitions totally overshadow the point of the OP and the logic and accuracy of the quoted post (also by the OP).
^^^This...
The multiquoted debates do keep pushing this back on the first page so at least I'm getting a wider audience to the idea even if the idea gets a bit muddled in the rest of the pages. I'll count it as a win.
OP, I think I've liked all of the posts I've seen written by you! I think your OP was great and hope it keeps getting bumped up.
Now, a silly question - who's diet is healthier?
The person who has a daily goal of 1500 calories and only eats "healthy" foods OR the person who has a daily goal of 3000 calories and eats everything the 1500 calorie person does times 1.5 and then eats 750 calories of "junk"?
if they both hit their macro and micro targets and are within their calories goals, then the answer is they both are...0 -
Page after page of multiquoted debates over minutae and word definitions totally overshadow the point of the OP and the logic and accuracy of the quoted post (also by the OP).
^^^This...
The multiquoted debates do keep pushing this back on the first page so at least I'm getting a wider audience to the idea even if the idea gets a bit muddled in the rest of the pages. I'll count it as a win.
OP, I think I've liked all of the posts I've seen written by you! I think your OP was great and hope it keeps getting bumped up.
Now, a silly question - who's diet is healthier?
The person who has a daily goal of 1500 calories and only eats "healthy" foods OR the person who has a daily goal of 3000 calories and eats everything the 1500 calorie person does times 1.5 and then eats 750 calories of "junk"?
if they both hit their macro and micro targets and are within their calories goals, then the answer is they both are...
I would have said pretty much the same thing. They sound like two people with very different goals but as long as all the nutrient needs are met for each person, then they are both consuming a healthy diet.0 -
Lol - are you an Audi driver!
I think it's really down to how sensitive you are about words.
Personally when I think of the term junk food, I think of high cal, low nutrient - great tasting food and something to have as a treat, mmmmm BBQ meat feast pizza.
If you have a negative association with the term junk food - that's your issue not mine!
I think maybe your problem with this whole junk food issue is you assume that just because someone (me in this instance) doesn't refers to something as good then I must mean that it's bad - not true.
Food that is not healthy is not necessarily unhealthy!
Junk already has a negative association attached to it..
If I say "wow, that house is a piece of junk" that implies something negative about the house.same thing with food. I did not make the connotation that is just how it is. Have you ever looked at something like you liked and called it junk???
Just saying that when you label food "junk" the implication is that it is bad or garbage...that is not a personal thing, that is just the connotation of the word...
Like I said that's your issue to deal with not mine.
The circle of MFP
ndj1979 -
Maybe we should just start saying tennisdude2004's comments are junk comments. *shrugs*
Lol - you do anyway.
This is obviously something we will not agree on.
To save multi posts we should set up a system where if we do not have an agree meant within half a dozen exchanges we should politely agree to disagree and not challenge each other further.
Or just keep doing what we are doing and go round in circles.0 -
Yes there is - chilli! (No kidney beans though - ewwwww yuk)
No need for chili. Sorry, that's a "want." Try again. :laugh:
No for me the meat (protein and fat) I get from the chilli is a need, the calorie return I get for the nutritional value (I don't drain all of the fat) makes it optimal.
I understand the point you are trying to make and if I were on your side of the argument I would make the same point.
So maybe need is the wrong choice of word.
Maybe the distinction should be want (for my normal daily go to food) and occasionally crave (for junk food - although I do not crave it that often, but when I do I have some).
Yes, maybe you should buy a dictionary. Or upload one if you have a smart phone. You could use it. :laugh:
Wow great response.
You must have been head of your debating team at school.0 -
I don't know about you, but broccoli and chicken breasts aren't really snack foods to me. If I wanted to eat chicken breast or broccoli I would have made them for lunch. Vice versa, I wouldn't open up a cake for dinner. Those foods are for different occasions and saying one is better than the other is like saying suits are better clothes than shorts... when going to the pool.
cake and pie for breakfast are the best things EVER.... I don't put my foods in a box!!!!!
Nobody puts baclava in a box!!!!!!
.... in other news....
Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
I vote "Bachelor Chow."0 -
Personally I don't believe in eating just to hit a calorie goal, so there's no such thing as MUST eat; therefore that wouldn't be an issue for me - I'd just make up some food to eat if I was hungry and be done with it. I'm not going to stuff myself full of junk food just for the sake of ingesting a crap ton of calories - that kind of eating is what led to problems in the first place, as well as not eating when actually hungry, but for other reasons.Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life I guess, but personally I'd be quite fine coming home with 1000 calories left and just eating some chicken and veggies and calling it a night with a bigger than usual deficit.0 -
Personally I don't believe in eating just to hit a calorie goal, so there's no such thing as MUST eat; therefore that wouldn't be an issue for me - I'd just make up some food to eat if I was hungry and be done with it. I'm not going to stuff myself full of junk food just for the sake of ingesting a crap ton of calories - that kind of eating is what led to problems in the first place, as well as not eating when actually hungry, but for other reasons.Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life I guess, but personally I'd be quite fine coming home with 1000 calories left and just eating some chicken and veggies and calling it a night with a bigger than usual deficit.
If you have certain fitness goals, leaving 1000 calories at the end of the day could be a detriment to those goals, especially bulking for weight lifting.0 -
Personally I don't believe in eating just to hit a calorie goal, so there's no such thing as MUST eat; therefore that wouldn't be an issue for me - I'd just make up some food to eat if I was hungry and be done with it. I'm not going to stuff myself full of junk food just for the sake of ingesting a crap ton of calories - that kind of eating is what led to problems in the first place, as well as not eating when actually hungry, but for other reasons.Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life I guess, but personally I'd be quite fine coming home with 1000 calories left and just eating some chicken and veggies and calling it a night with a bigger than usual deficit.
If you have certain fitness goals, leaving 1000 calories at the end of the day could be a detriment to those goals, especially bulking for weight lifting.
Bulking, sure. Weightlifting, nope. More people need to suck it up and stop being a nancy. You don't NEED to be on a sugar rush to lift. At least I don't.0 -
Personally I don't believe in eating just to hit a calorie goal, so there's no such thing as MUST eat; therefore that wouldn't be an issue for me - I'd just make up some food to eat if I was hungry and be done with it. I'm not going to stuff myself full of junk food just for the sake of ingesting a crap ton of calories - that kind of eating is what led to problems in the first place, as well as not eating when actually hungry, but for other reasons.Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life I guess, but personally I'd be quite fine coming home with 1000 calories left and just eating some chicken and veggies and calling it a night with a bigger than usual deficit.
If you have certain fitness goals, leaving 1000 calories at the end of the day could be a detriment to those goals, especially bulking for weight lifting.
Bulking, sure. Weightlifting, nope. More people need to suck it up and stop being a nancy. You don't NEED to be on a sugar rush to lift. At least I don't.
I said bulking for weightlifting. No one even mentioned sugar. I routinely eat 1500 calories at dinner and it's mostly meat, a starch, veggies, a beer/wine and then a dessert.
Also, what's the context for 'sucking it up and stopping being a nancy'? It made no sense.0 -
Personally I don't believe in eating just to hit a calorie goal, so there's no such thing as MUST eat; therefore that wouldn't be an issue for me - I'd just make up some food to eat if I was hungry and be done with it. I'm not going to stuff myself full of junk food just for the sake of ingesting a crap ton of calories - that kind of eating is what led to problems in the first place, as well as not eating when actually hungry, but for other reasons.Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life I guess, but personally I'd be quite fine coming home with 1000 calories left and just eating some chicken and veggies and calling it a night with a bigger than usual deficit.
If you have certain fitness goals, leaving 1000 calories at the end of the day could be a detriment to those goals, especially bulking for weight lifting.
Bulking, sure. Weightlifting, nope. More people need to suck it up and stop being a nancy. You don't NEED to be on a sugar rush to lift. At least I don't.
I said bulking for weightlifting. No one even mentioned sugar. I routinely eat 1500 calories at dinner and it's mostly meat, a starch, veggies, a beer/wine and then a dessert.
Also, what's the context for 'sucking it up and stopping being a nancy'? It made no sense.
Quite often people on these forums use lifting as an excuse to eat a ton of carbs and sugar the night before or the day they lift. I find it ridiculous. I've had many days where I ended with several hundred extra calories uneaten, on a 2lb sedentary deficit. Still managed to get off my rear and get 'er done that next day.
Edit: And admittedly I read your comment as bulking "or" lifting. That part is my bad.0 -
Personally I don't believe in eating just to hit a calorie goal, so there's no such thing as MUST eat; therefore that wouldn't be an issue for me - I'd just make up some food to eat if I was hungry and be done with it. I'm not going to stuff myself full of junk food just for the sake of ingesting a crap ton of calories - that kind of eating is what led to problems in the first place, as well as not eating when actually hungry, but for other reasons.Those of you arguing the less than stellar nutritional value of "junk food And why they aren't good options because bang for buck they offer little "nutrionally" but are yet very high in calories.
I guess none of you have come home with over 1000 calories to eat- exhausted and you MUST eat... clearly eating another 3 chicken breasts and bags of steamable veggies is the answer.
or you could just crumble up those highly processed delicious nuggets called oreo's on top of your favorite ice cream and a tall glass of milk- and relax, enjoy your favorite short episode of Futurama and know that you'll be safe on your quest for bulking.
Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life I guess, but personally I'd be quite fine coming home with 1000 calories left and just eating some chicken and veggies and calling it a night with a bigger than usual deficit.
If you have certain fitness goals, leaving 1000 calories at the end of the day could be a detriment to those goals, especially bulking for weight lifting.
-shrugs- I don't know much about bulking but I did say in my post that it depends on what you're trying to accomplish in your life. But since this is predominantly a weight loss forum I don't think bulking/weight gain anecdotes will be all that persuasive for most people, particularly when the anecdote was about people preferring healthy foods over a giant sundae. Sure, eating a crap ton of calories quickly may work for someone trying to gain weight, but for people trying to lose weight, that's hardly something they're going to be interested in.0
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