Foods aren't unhealthy, diets are.
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That's a real circlejerk argument. Obviously a diet consisting of nothing but a few items isn't good for you, but arguing that positive food choices made are irrelevant is plain stupid, processed foods down the line cause health issues and packing in a couple beers and boxes of candy on top of a decent diet makes it a good diet all together just doesn't work. If you eat pizza and other crap all day your body will function on that level.
who is saying that it is OK to eat pizza all day and makes the claim that it is OK to do that..?
did you even read what OP said …it is the sum of the parts that make the diet of a whole..so if you have a day of eggs, whole grain toast, whole wheat bread and turkey, cottage cheese, and then some pizza and a beer for night that means that your whole day is "crap" and that your performance is going to suffer..????
I eat the things that you labeled as 'crap' and maintain about 11-12 % body fat and have not had my gym performance suffer….
Enjoying some less nutritional food in your diet when you've covered your micros and macros is a great approach.
I do agree with some of the OP, except the fact that we shouldn't focus on healthy food.
Without understanding what is healthy food for us (each individual and their needs) how are we going to eat the most health efficient diet for each of us?
I'm sure most people are happy with a diet that's - good enough. But some of us want a diet that's better than just good enough!
But if you're focusing on the total nutrition of your diet, you're going to be looking at the components of different foods in order to make sure that those goals are met. This would automatically push individuals to seek out foods, nutritionally dense, that allow for that to happen, while still allowing for them to enjoy those nutritionally sparse foods.0 -
That's a real circlejerk argument. Obviously a diet consisting of nothing but a few items isn't good for you, but arguing that positive food choices made are irrelevant is plain stupid, processed foods down the line cause health issues and packing in a couple beers and boxes of candy on top of a decent diet makes it a good diet all together just doesn't work. If you eat pizza and other crap all day your body will function on that level.
who is saying that it is OK to eat pizza all day and makes the claim that it is OK to do that..?
did you even read what OP said …it is the sum of the parts that make the diet of a whole..so if you have a day of eggs, whole grain toast, whole wheat bread and turkey, cottage cheese, and then some pizza and a beer for night that means that your whole day is "crap" and that your performance is going to suffer..????
I eat the things that you labeled as 'crap' and maintain about 11-12 % body fat and have not had my gym performance suffer….
Enjoying some less nutritional food in your diet when you've covered your micros and macros is a great approach.
I do agree with some of the OP, except the fact that we shouldn't focus on healthy food.
Without understanding what is healthy food for us (each individual and their needs) how are we going to eat the most health efficient diet for each of us?
I'm sure most people are happy with a diet that's - good enough. But some of us want a diet that's better than just good enough!
The OP never said not to focus on healthy foods. She simply said that "unhealthy" is a very obtuse definition and that we should allow ourselves "unhealthy" (also, very vague) foods in moderation. She never said that your whole diet should be pizza.0 -
That's a real circlejerk argument. Obviously a diet consisting of nothing but a few items isn't good for you, but arguing that positive food choices made are irrelevant is plain stupid, processed foods down the line cause health issues and packing in a couple beers and boxes of candy on top of a decent diet makes it a good diet all together just doesn't work. If you eat pizza and other crap all day your body will function on that level.
Circlejerks contribute to my daily protein goal. Just sayin'
Another nutrition myth. It would contribute to your carbohydrate goals.:smokin:
Shhh, no. Carbs are bad, mmmkay?
Carbs aren't bad - they're just not essential.
They are nice and have a place in a healthy diet IMO
I've never heard that carbs aren't essential. Doesn't the brain almost exclusively function on carbs along with them being a part of an extensive number of other biological functions?
This. Every cell in the body uses glucose.
Human Cell Metabolism 101:
"In most animal cells, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a compound with high potential energy, works as the main carrier of chemical energy. In general, the energy to synthesize ATP molecules must be obtained from rather complex fuel molecules. The human body uses three types of molecules to yield the necessary energy to drive ATP synthesis: fats, proteins, and carbohydrates.
Mitochondria are the main site for ATP synthesis in mammals, although some ATP is also synthesized in the cytoplasm. Lipids are broken down into fatty acids, proteins into amino acids, and carbohydrates into glucose. Via a series of oxidation-reduction reactions, mitochondria degrade fatty acids, amino acids, and pyruvate (the end product of glucose degradation in the cytoplasm) into several intermediate compounds, as well as into the reduced electron carrier coenzymes NADH and FADH2 (Figure 1). The intermediates enter the tricarboxylic acid (TCA) cycle, also giving rise to NADH and FADH2. These reduced electron carriers are themselves oxidized via the electron transport chain, with concomitant consumption of oxygen and ATP synthesis (Figure 1). This process is called oxidative phosphorylation.
Over a hundred ATP molecules are synthesized from the complete oxidation of one molecule of fatty acid, and almost forty ATP molecules result from amino acid and pyruvate oxidation. Two ATP molecules are synthesized in the cytoplasm via the conversion of glucose molecules to pyruvate. Both the apparatus (enzymes) and the physical environment necessary for the oxidation of these molecules are contained in the mitochondria."
From: http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dynamic-adaptation-of-nutrient-utilization-in-humans-14232807#
Yep this is where glucose is used and again we are self sufficient all if this can be done without dietary carbs.
That being said carbs do have a place in a healthy diet. 50 - 150 grams of carbs (main source veg) will deliver all of the micro nutrients we can get through carbs - depending on the carb source the grams may not even need to be as high as 50g
Understood. So if that means that carbohydrates aren't technically essential, I wonder if there have been any long term studies with people consuming zero carbs. I wonder what their overall health is like. I also assume it would be difficult to meet all your micro needs on a diet like that without extensive supplementation. This is a curiosity point rather than a debate one.
A great point, I should think they would not be as healthy as someone eating carbs (at any level) as carbs are optimal.
I'm sure there must be remote parts of the world (near the polar regions perhaps) where dietary carbs are hard to come by.0 -
Junk food is usually very calorie dense and can easily overtake the bulk of your daily calories if your not careful though. Seriously who only eats 1/2 cup of icecream? Or a measley 1 oz of chips. Want a slice of cheesecake? Easily 700 calories and up lol0
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Junk food is usually very calorie dense and can easily overtake the bulk of your daily calories if your not careful though. Seriously who only eats 1/2 cup of icecream? Or a measley 1 oz of chips. Want a slice of cheesecake? Easily 700 calories and up lol
I tend to weigh versus measure. But half of cup of the Talenti Double Chocolate Gelato I had is 101g.
I had 114g.
So pretty close to just half a cup. The point is...it can be done and something I do if I want my "junk" and have it fit with my goals.
Also, last week, I had Omaha's cheesecake. One of the slices was 350cals. It wasn't a "huge" slice, but I was still able to have it and be fine.0 -
Junk food is usually very calorie dense and can easily overtake the bulk of your daily calories if your not careful though. Seriously who only eats 1/2 cup of icecream? Or a measley 1 oz of chips. Want a slice of cheesecake? Easily 700 calories and up lol
I tend to weigh versus measure. But half of cup of the Talenti Double Chocolate Gelato I had is 101g.
I had 114g.
So pretty close to just half a cup. The point is...it can be done and something I do if I want my "junk" and have it fit with my goals.
Also, last week, I had Omaha's cheesecake. One of the slices was 350cals. It wasn't a "huge" slice, but I was still able to have it and be fine.
^^ Every single bit of this.0 -
That's a real circlejerk argument. Obviously a diet consisting of nothing but a few items isn't good for you, but arguing that positive food choices made are irrelevant is plain stupid, processed foods down the line cause health issues and packing in a couple beers and boxes of candy on top of a decent diet makes it a good diet all together just doesn't work. If you eat pizza and other crap all day your body will function on that level.
who is saying that it is OK to eat pizza all day and makes the claim that it is OK to do that..?
did you even read what OP said …it is the sum of the parts that make the diet of a whole..so if you have a day of eggs, whole grain toast, whole wheat bread and turkey, cottage cheese, and then some pizza and a beer for night that means that your whole day is "crap" and that your performance is going to suffer..????
I eat the things that you labeled as 'crap' and maintain about 11-12 % body fat and have not had my gym performance suffer….
Enjoying some less nutritional food in your diet when you've covered your micros and macros is a great approach.
I do agree with some of the OP, except the fact that we shouldn't focus on healthy food.
Without understanding what is healthy food for us (each individual and their needs) how are we going to eat the most health efficient diet for each of us?
I'm sure most people are happy with a diet that's - good enough. But some of us want a diet that's better than just good enough!
The OP never said not to focus on healthy foods. She simply said that "unhealthy" is a very obtuse definition and that we should allow ourselves "unhealthy" (also, very vague) foods in moderation. She never said that your whole diet should be pizza.
Yep the first line of the OP said people focus on healthy and unhealthy and that it was wrong.
I think this is possible another thread where people are sensitive about what terms people use.
I think it's important people understand what food delivers them (nutritionally based on calories spent).
Maybe we should use the term beneficial and less beneficial?0 -
That's a real circlejerk argument. Obviously a diet consisting of nothing but a few items isn't good for you, but arguing that positive food choices made are irrelevant is plain stupid, processed foods down the line cause health issues and packing in a couple beers and boxes of candy on top of a decent diet makes it a good diet all together just doesn't work. If you eat pizza and other crap all day your body will function on that level.
who is saying that it is OK to eat pizza all day and makes the claim that it is OK to do that..?
did you even read what OP said …it is the sum of the parts that make the diet of a whole..so if you have a day of eggs, whole grain toast, whole wheat bread and turkey, cottage cheese, and then some pizza and a beer for night that means that your whole day is "crap" and that your performance is going to suffer..????
I eat the things that you labeled as 'crap' and maintain about 11-12 % body fat and have not had my gym performance suffer….
Enjoying some less nutritional food in your diet when you've covered your micros and macros is a great approach.
I do agree with some of the OP, except the fact that we shouldn't focus on healthy food.
Without understanding what is healthy food for us (each individual and their needs) how are we going to eat the most health efficient diet for each of us?
I'm sure most people are happy with a diet that's - good enough. But some of us want a diet that's better than just good enough!
The OP never said not to focus on healthy foods. She simply said that "unhealthy" is a very obtuse definition and that we should allow ourselves "unhealthy" (also, very vague) foods in moderation. She never said that your whole diet should be pizza.
Yep the first line of the OP said people focus on healthy and unhealthy and that it was wrong.
I think this is possible another thread where people are sensitive about what terms people use.
I think it's important people understand what food delivers them (nutritionally based on calories spent).
Maybe we should use the term beneficial and less beneficial?
The entire point of the first paragraph of the OP is to point out the ambiguities of the words "healthy" and "unhealthy." And then the point of the post as a whole is that DIETS are bad, not individual foods. Diets consisting of only one food (ie, poptarts) are not healthy, as are diets consisting of only one traditionally "healthy" food that does not provide all the nutrients that the body needs (ie broccoli).0 -
wow I wish I had your willpower when it comes to icecream lol. You must not be a huge icecreamaholic like me lol. I find it easy to ration out foods I'm not so crazy about but icecream not so much.Junk food is usually very calorie dense and can easily overtake the bulk of your daily calories if your not careful though. Seriously who only eats 1/2 cup of icecream? Or a measley 1 oz of chips. Want a slice of cheesecake? Easily 700 calories and up lol
I tend to weigh versus measure. But half of cup of the Talenti Double Chocolate Gelato I had is 101g.
I had 114g.
So pretty close to just half a cup. The point is...it can be done and something I do if I want my "junk" and have it fit with my goals.
Also, last week, I had Omaha's cheesecake. One of the slices was 350cals. It wasn't a "huge" slice, but I was still able to have it and be fine.0 -
Also don't forget about the 6% of protein daily for gluconeogenesis.That's a real circlejerk argument. Obviously a diet consisting of nothing but a few items isn't good for you, but arguing that positive food choices made are irrelevant is plain stupid, processed foods down the line cause health issues and packing in a couple beers and boxes of candy on top of a decent diet makes it a good diet all together just doesn't work. If you eat pizza and other crap all day your body will function on that level.
Circlejerks contribute to my daily protein goal. Just sayin'
Another nutrition myth. It would contribute to your carbohydrate goals.:smokin:
Shhh, no. Carbs are bad, mmmkay?
Carbs aren't bad - they're just not essential.
They are nice and have a place in a healthy diet IMO
I've never heard that carbs aren't essential. Doesn't the brain almost exclusively function on carbs along with them being a part of an extensive number of other biological functions?
This. Every cell in the body uses glucose.
Human Cell Metabolism 101:
"In most animal cells, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a compound with high potential energy, works as the main carrier of chemical energy. In general, the energy to synthesize ATP molecules must be obtained from rather complex fuel molecules. The human body uses three types of molecules to yield the necessary energy to drive ATP synthesis: fats, proteins, and carbohydrates.
Mitochondria are the main site for ATP synthesis in mammals, although some ATP is also synthesized in the cytoplasm. Lipids are broken down into fatty acids, proteins into amino acids, and carbohydrates into glucose. Via a series of oxidation-reduction reactions, mitochondria degrade fatty acids, amino acids, and pyruvate (the end product of glucose degradation in the cytoplasm) into several intermediate compounds, as well as into the reduced electron carrier coenzymes NADH and FADH2 (Figure 1). The intermediates enter the tricarboxylic acid (TCA) cycle, also giving rise to NADH and FADH2. These reduced electron carriers are themselves oxidized via the electron transport chain, with concomitant consumption of oxygen and ATP synthesis (Figure 1). This process is called oxidative phosphorylation.
Over a hundred ATP molecules are synthesized from the complete oxidation of one molecule of fatty acid, and almost forty ATP molecules result from amino acid and pyruvate oxidation. Two ATP molecules are synthesized in the cytoplasm via the conversion of glucose molecules to pyruvate. Both the apparatus (enzymes) and the physical environment necessary for the oxidation of these molecules are contained in the mitochondria."
From: http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dynamic-adaptation-of-nutrient-utilization-in-humans-14232807#
Yep this is where glucose is used and again we are self sufficient all if this can be done without dietary carbs.
That being said carbs do have a place in a healthy diet. 50 - 150 grams of carbs (main source veg) will deliver all of the micro nutrients we can get through carbs - depending on the carb source the grams may not even need to be as high as 50g
Understood. So if that means that carbohydrates aren't technically essential, I wonder if there have been any long term studies with people consuming zero carbs. I wonder what their overall health is like. I also assume it would be difficult to meet all your micro needs on a diet like that without extensive supplementation. This is a curiosity point rather than a debate one.
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wow I wish I had your willpower when it comes to icecream lol. You must not be a huge icecreamaholic like me lol. I find it easy to ration out foods I'm not so crazy about but icecream not so much.Junk food is usually very calorie dense and can easily overtake the bulk of your daily calories if your not careful though. Seriously who only eats 1/2 cup of icecream? Or a measley 1 oz of chips. Want a slice of cheesecake? Easily 700 calories and up lol
I tend to weigh versus measure. But half of cup of the Talenti Double Chocolate Gelato I had is 101g.
I had 114g.
So pretty close to just half a cup. The point is...it can be done and something I do if I want my "junk" and have it fit with my goals.
Also, last week, I had Omaha's cheesecake. One of the slices was 350cals. It wasn't a "huge" slice, but I was still able to have it and be fine.
Umm...what?
I've been overweight since the 5th grade and morbidly obese since High School. I'm 31 years old and my highest weight was 245lbs at 5'1. I also have huge issues with food. I am an overeater that also eats when bored, stressed, or feeling emotional. And I don't mean overeating like I just unbuttoned my pants and pat my belly and say "Oh yeah." I mean the type where I keep on eating and eating until I end up in so much pain or/and sick to the point of nausea type of overeating.
So it's not like I had this huge abundance of willpower. But I learned that the more I did make conscious choices and educated myself in regards to calories in/calories out and such...I got more and more control over my habits and food. I'm not perfect but I've found it like a muscle. The more you use it/practice it..the better you get at it.
TL;DR: You can have willpower if you want to.0 -
Unhealthy foods make a healthy diet less healthy.
I must be the only person on MFP who believes in healthy and unhealthy foods. And while I'm admitting my shameful secrets I also don't believe in "food relationships". So any concerns anyone might have that I'm damaging "my relationship with food" by using "judgmental" words like bad, good and cheat day are misguided. :drinker:0 -
Unhealthy foods make a healthy diet less healthy.
I must be the only person on MFP who believes in healthy and unhealthy foods. And while I'm admitting my shameful secrets I also don't believe in "food relationships". So any concerns anyone might have that I'm damaging "my relationship with food" by using "judgmental" words like bad, good and cheat day are misguided. :drinker:
Nope you are not alone. I'm glad for some of these people that their chocolate cake holds them at night and always lets them be the little spoon, and their Chunky Monkey whispers to them that it still thinks they're sexy. I however, just want to eat my food and get on with my life.0 -
Unhealthy foods make a healthy diet less healthy.
I must be the only person on MFP who believes in healthy and unhealthy foods. And while I'm admitting my shameful secrets I also don't believe in "food relationships". So any concerns anyone might have that I'm damaging "my relationship with food" by using "judgmental" words like bad, good and cheat day are misguided. :drinker:
Nope you are not alone. I'm glad for some of these people that their chocolate cake holds them at night and always lets them be the little spoon, and their Chunky Monkey whispers to them that it still thinks they're sexy. I however, just want to eat my food and get on with my life.
I hope you are not suggesting that food is just fuel!!!!0 -
Unhealthy foods make a healthy diet less healthy.
I must be the only person on MFP who believes in healthy and unhealthy foods. And while I'm admitting my shameful secrets I also don't believe in "food relationships". So any concerns anyone might have that I'm damaging "my relationship with food" by using "judgmental" words like bad, good and cheat day are misguided. :drinker:
Nope you are not alone. I'm glad for some of these people that their chocolate cake holds them at night and always lets them be the little spoon, and their Chunky Monkey whispers to them that it still thinks they're sexy. I however, just want to eat my food and get on with my life.
Why are you suggesting that people are using food as a replacement for some emotional need?0 -
You say all that but I'm still impressed lol. I'm still working on being satisfied with 1/2 cup lol.
wow I wish I had your willpower when it comes to icecream lol. You must not be a huge icecreamaholic like me lol. I find it easy to ration out foods I'm not so crazy about but icecream not so much.Junk food is usually very calorie dense and can easily overtake the bulk of your daily calories if your not careful though. Seriously who only eats 1/2 cup of icecream? Or a measley 1 oz of chips. Want a slice of cheesecake? Easily 700 calories and up lol
I tend to weigh versus measure. But half of cup of the Talenti Double Chocolate Gelato I had is 101g.
I had 114g.
So pretty close to just half a cup. The point is...it can be done and something I do if I want my "junk" and have it fit with my goals.
Also, last week, I had Omaha's cheesecake. One of the slices was 350cals. It wasn't a "huge" slice, but I was still able to have it and be fine.
Umm...what?
I've been overweight since the 5th grade and morbidly obese since High School. I'm 31 years old and my highest weight was 245lbs at 5'1. I also have huge issues with food. I am an overeater that also eats when bored, stressed, or feeling emotional. And I don't mean overeating like I just unbuttoned my pants and pat my belly and say "Oh yeah." I mean the type where I keep on eating and eating until I end up in so much pain or/and sick to the point of nausea type of overeating.
So it's not like I had this huge abundance of willpower. But I learned that the more I did make conscious choices and educated myself in regards to calories in/calories out and such...I got more and more control over my habits and food. I'm not perfect but I've found it like a muscle. The more you use it/practice it..the better you get at it.
TL;DR: You can have willpower if you want to.0 -
Unhealthy foods make a healthy diet less healthy.
I must be the only person on MFP who believes in healthy and unhealthy foods. And while I'm admitting my shameful secrets I also don't believe in "food relationships". So any concerns anyone might have that I'm damaging "my relationship with food" by using "judgmental" words like bad, good and cheat day are misguided. :drinker:
Nope you are not alone. I'm glad for some of these people that their chocolate cake holds them at night and always lets them be the little spoon, and their Chunky Monkey whispers to them that it still thinks they're sexy. I however, just want to eat my food and get on with my life.
I hope you are not suggesting that food is just fuel!!!!
You caught me! That's exactly what I was suggesting. I'll just show myself out now.0
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