FRUCTOSE CONVERTS TO FAT

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  • Granville_Cocteau
    Granville_Cocteau Posts: 209 Member
    In light of the current developments in fructose science, I ask for a moment of silence now for Mikey of Life Cereal, who eventually died from a lethal sugar cocktail of Pop Rocks and Coke.

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  • Mrsbeale11
    Mrsbeale11 Posts: 126 Member
    I ate 1kg of bananas in 2mins.

    This is me.

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    phat as Fu(k

    hope that helps.

    I just knew bananas rocked...
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    I'm worried by this ignorant, knee-jerk dismissal of the problems associated specifically with fructose, as opposed to sugar generally that I'm seeing in this thread.

    Fructose is biochemically a VERY different thing than glucose. As was pointed out in the OP, it cannot be metabolized by the body without first being broken down by the liver, in a process very similar to alcohol.

    THIS IS NOT A "SUGAR BAD" ARGUMENT. This is about the problems that come from a higher proportion of total sugar intake coming from fructose. The metabolism of fructose releases the already mentioned triglycerides, yes, but the more worrying thing is the production of glycation end products (google them if you've never had any biochem). GEP's cause vascular inflammation, and a resultant increase in cholesterol.

    Please stop dumbing this down into "STOP PICKING ON SUGAR". I'm not picking on sugar. I'm picking on the increased amount of FRUCTOSE we're consuming.

    I'm not anti-sugar, and I'm tired of any concerns about the verified medical issues associated with fructose specifically being written off ignorantly.
    What dosage of fructose daily show detrimental heath effects?

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/6/1219S.full
  • _Zardoz_
    _Zardoz_ Posts: 3,987 Member
    Fructose is biochemically a VERY different thing than glucose.
    Actually it's not if you look at the real science properly. Also when you're talking fructose are you talking Fructoses or HFCS because they are actually different things? HFCS at the molecular level is 55% fructose and 45% glucose which is actually the same ratio as honey and not far off white table sugar which is a 50/50 split.

    This picking on one thing and trying to blame all the worlds health ills on it is just silly especially when the majority of the science being quoted is questionable at best. Those who have problems with sugar it's not the sugars fault that you have decided to consume stupid amounts of full sugar pop in a day of course that's not going to be good for you but neither would eating 10 kilos of potatoes in a day.

    Telling a Morbidly obese person that the reason they are fat is the sugar and the sugar industry is just another escape clause because life isn't that simple. the reason they are fat is the lack of exercise and the lack of a 'Balanced' diet and a balanced diet should contain sugar and more than the 10% of daily calories those with a sugar drum are banging. This 10% figure was from a report from the American Heart Association (Its on the website if you wish to read it). the 10% is actually 10% of discretionary calories which means after your daily needs have been met.

    This is a really good piece from a RD explaining this with some common sense points about sugar

    https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140509014800-28240857-can-you-find-health-by-avoiding-sugar?published=t
  • _Resolve_
    _Resolve_ Posts: 735 Member
    *Spits out apple*


    oh my god what have I done?
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL
    No sorry. Have to disagree with that.

    Lol care to give me any reasons for your disagreement or you just doing so on principle?
    Sugar is never evil.
    We do not become addicted to sugar.
    The metabolism does not get "hooked" on empty calories.
    I take your scare tactic and raise you 148g of sugar. How much will be converted to fat?
    147g.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763407000589
    sugar is addictive. nearly anything can trigger a dopeamine response and technically be addictive
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    excess anything gets converted to fat …

    good lord Joanne, are you ever going to stop with the sugar fear mongering…??

    are you really saying that if you eat in a calorie deficit that fructose will be converted to fat?
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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL

    this post started off well, and ended horribly ….

    so your weak will is somehow sugars fault? Ever consider that you had lack of will power BEFROE you started eating sugar …

    I used to be the same way, but I learned to moderate my diet and enjoy sugar, and other foods, in moderation ...
  • Hendrix7
    Hendrix7 Posts: 1,903 Member
    that feel when you have op on your ignore list

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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL
    No sorry. Have to disagree with that.

    Lol care to give me any reasons for your disagreement or you just doing so on principle?
    Sugar is never evil.
    We do not become addicted to sugar.
    The metabolism does not get "hooked" on empty calories.
    I take your scare tactic and raise you 148g of sugar. How much will be converted to fat?
    147g.

    I am sorry but coming from someone who had a MAJOR sugar addiction I emphatically disagree. I am not quoting internet studies or something I read. I am simply going from my own personal experience. Sugar addiction is totally real. I will admit that just having a bit of an elevated sugar intake won't cause this. But I consumed 2-4 liters of full sugar soda a day for years. In the end I absolutely could not live without it or some form of sugar. Whenever I had it it was like drinking the nectar of the gods. I would glug it down like I just couldn't get it down my throat fast enough. During this time other sweet things almost lost their taste completely. Fruit tasted of nothing. And even chocolate seemed less sweet. When I came off it I would literally DREAM of coca cola. I would be thirsty all the time no matter how much I drank. When I passed it in the isles I would feel an almost palpable physical tug towards it. I was constantly miserable. I have given up nicotine and in no way or form was giving up nicotine harder than giving up sugar.

    In contrast after finally quitting all sugary things became sweet again including fruit. I lost my craving for sugary drinks entirely to the extent I tried one weeks later and found it sickeningly sweet. I was able to drink diet soda which before had just tasted like garbage to me.

    If that isn't addiction then I am not sure what is. I don't think you average slightly overweight person is addicted to sugar. But sugar addiction is absolutely a real thing. And while at a lesser degree it might not be harmful believe me it absolutely can ruin a life.

    I am not saying you have to give up your sugary cereal or anything. But people with uncontrollable sugar cravings probably have the same condition I had to a greater or lesser degree.

    did you blow your life savings on sugar?

    carry sugar packets around in your pocket and eat them whenever you felt a craving come on?
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    *Spits out apple*


    oh my god what have I done?

    you just added a pound of fat mass to your body, I hope the apple was worth it….
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    I'm worried by this ignorant, knee-jerk dismissal of the problems associated specifically with fructose, as opposed to sugar generally that I'm seeing in this thread.

    Fructose is biochemically a VERY different thing than glucose. As was pointed out in the OP, it cannot be metabolized by the body without first being broken down by the liver, in a process very similar to alcohol.

    THIS IS NOT A "SUGAR BAD" ARGUMENT. This is about the problems that come from a higher proportion of total sugar intake coming from fructose. The metabolism of fructose releases the already mentioned triglycerides, yes, but the more worrying thing is the production of glycation end products (google them if you've never had any biochem). GEP's cause vascular inflammation, and a resultant increase in cholesterol.

    Please stop dumbing this down into "STOP PICKING ON SUGAR". I'm not picking on sugar. I'm picking on the increased amount of FRUCTOSE we're consuming.

    I'm not anti-sugar, and I'm tired of any concerns about the verified medical issues associated with fructose specifically being written off ignorantly.

    so all the people that eat sugar, have kept weight off, and maintain low body fat and say that other can do the same are "ignorant"…ok got ya….
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    Fructose is biochemically a VERY different thing than glucose.
    Actually it's not if you look at the real science properly. Also when you're talking fructose are you talking Fructoses or HFCS because they are actually different things? HFCS at the molecular level is 55% fructose and 45% glucose which is actually the same ratio as honey and not far off white table sugar which is a 50/50 split.

    This picking on one thing and trying to blame all the worlds health ills on it is just silly especially when the majority of the science being quoted is questionable at best. Those who have problems with sugar it's not the sugars fault that you have decided to consume stupid amounts of full sugar pop in a day of course that's not going to be good for you but neither would eating 10 kilos of potatoes in a day.

    Telling a Morbidly obese person that the reason they are fat is the sugar and the sugar industry is just another escape clause because life isn't that simple. the reason they are fat is the lack of exercise and the lack of a 'Balanced' diet and a balanced diet should contain sugar and more than the 10% of daily calories those with a sugar drum are banging. This 10% figure was from a report from the American Heart Association (Its on the website if you wish to read it). the 10% is actually 10% of discretionary calories which means after your daily needs have been met.

    This is a really good piece from a RD explaining this with some common sense points about sugar

    https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140509014800-28240857-can-you-find-health-by-avoiding-sugar?published=t
    fructose and glucose may be similar, but the definetly have a major difference; glucose has one more carbon in its central ring than fructose, makes a pretty decent difference when it comes to reactivity.
    HFCS may be 45% glucose and 55% fructose and sucrose may be a 50/50 split but the are also very different, in sucrose fructose and glucose are bonded through an oxygen atom, in HFCS they are 2 seperate molecules in a homogeneous mixture
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL
    No sorry. Have to disagree with that.

    Lol care to give me any reasons for your disagreement or you just doing so on principle?
    Sugar is never evil.
    We do not become addicted to sugar.
    The metabolism does not get "hooked" on empty calories.
    I take your scare tactic and raise you 148g of sugar. How much will be converted to fat?
    147g.

    I am sorry but coming from someone who had a MAJOR sugar addiction I emphatically disagree. I am not quoting internet studies or something I read. I am simply going from my own personal experience. Sugar addiction is totally real. I will admit that just having a bit of an elevated sugar intake won't cause this. But I consumed 2-4 liters of full sugar soda a day for years. In the end I absolutely could not live without it or some form of sugar. Whenever I had it it was like drinking the nectar of the gods. I would glug it down like I just couldn't get it down my throat fast enough. During this time other sweet things almost lost their taste completely. Fruit tasted of nothing. And even chocolate seemed less sweet. When I came off it I would literally DREAM of coca cola. I would be thirsty all the time no matter how much I drank. When I passed it in the isles I would feel an almost palpable physical tug towards it. I was constantly miserable. I have given up nicotine and in no way or form was giving up nicotine harder than giving up sugar.

    In contrast after finally quitting all sugary things became sweet again including fruit. I lost my craving for sugary drinks entirely to the extent I tried one weeks later and found it sickeningly sweet. I was able to drink diet soda which before had just tasted like garbage to me.

    If that isn't addiction then I am not sure what is. I don't think you average slightly overweight person is addicted to sugar. But sugar addiction is absolutely a real thing. And while at a lesser degree it might not be harmful believe me it absolutely can ruin a life.

    I am not saying you have to give up your sugary cereal or anything. But people with uncontrollable sugar cravings probably have the same condition I had to a greater or lesser degree.

    did you blow your life savings on sugar?

    carry sugar packets around in your pocket and eat them whenever you felt a craving come on?
    kind of an odd argument...
    if someone doesnt blow their life savings on coke but they do it every single day are they not addicted?
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Cinnamon Toast Crunch....just sayin. :love: :love: :love:
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL
    No sorry. Have to disagree with that.

    Lol care to give me any reasons for your disagreement or you just doing so on principle?
    Sugar is never evil.
    We do not become addicted to sugar.
    The metabolism does not get "hooked" on empty calories.
    I take your scare tactic and raise you 148g of sugar. How much will be converted to fat?
    147g.

    I am sorry but coming from someone who had a MAJOR sugar addiction I emphatically disagree. I am not quoting internet studies or something I read. I am simply going from my own personal experience. Sugar addiction is totally real. I will admit that just having a bit of an elevated sugar intake won't cause this. But I consumed 2-4 liters of full sugar soda a day for years. In the end I absolutely could not live without it or some form of sugar. Whenever I had it it was like drinking the nectar of the gods. I would glug it down like I just couldn't get it down my throat fast enough. During this time other sweet things almost lost their taste completely. Fruit tasted of nothing. And even chocolate seemed less sweet. When I came off it I would literally DREAM of coca cola. I would be thirsty all the time no matter how much I drank. When I passed it in the isles I would feel an almost palpable physical tug towards it. I was constantly miserable. I have given up nicotine and in no way or form was giving up nicotine harder than giving up sugar.

    In contrast after finally quitting all sugary things became sweet again including fruit. I lost my craving for sugary drinks entirely to the extent I tried one weeks later and found it sickeningly sweet. I was able to drink diet soda which before had just tasted like garbage to me.

    If that isn't addiction then I am not sure what is. I don't think you average slightly overweight person is addicted to sugar. But sugar addiction is absolutely a real thing. And while at a lesser degree it might not be harmful believe me it absolutely can ruin a life.

    I am not saying you have to give up your sugary cereal or anything. But people with uncontrollable sugar cravings probably have the same condition I had to a greater or lesser degree.

    did you blow your life savings on sugar?

    carry sugar packets around in your pocket and eat them whenever you felt a craving come on?
    kind of an odd argument...
    if someone doesnt blow their life savings on coke but they do it every single day are they not addicted?

    if you do coke every day you will be broke…unless of course you are already a millionaire or something ….

    that was partially made in jest….
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL
    No sorry. Have to disagree with that.

    Lol care to give me any reasons for your disagreement or you just doing so on principle?
    Sugar is never evil.
    We do not become addicted to sugar.
    The metabolism does not get "hooked" on empty calories.
    I take your scare tactic and raise you 148g of sugar. How much will be converted to fat?
    147g.

    I am sorry but coming from someone who had a MAJOR sugar addiction I emphatically disagree. I am not quoting internet studies or something I read. I am simply going from my own personal experience. Sugar addiction is totally real. I will admit that just having a bit of an elevated sugar intake won't cause this. But I consumed 2-4 liters of full sugar soda a day for years. In the end I absolutely could not live without it or some form of sugar. Whenever I had it it was like drinking the nectar of the gods. I would glug it down like I just couldn't get it down my throat fast enough. During this time other sweet things almost lost their taste completely. Fruit tasted of nothing. And even chocolate seemed less sweet. When I came off it I would literally DREAM of coca cola. I would be thirsty all the time no matter how much I drank. When I passed it in the isles I would feel an almost palpable physical tug towards it. I was constantly miserable. I have given up nicotine and in no way or form was giving up nicotine harder than giving up sugar.

    In contrast after finally quitting all sugary things became sweet again including fruit. I lost my craving for sugary drinks entirely to the extent I tried one weeks later and found it sickeningly sweet. I was able to drink diet soda which before had just tasted like garbage to me.

    If that isn't addiction then I am not sure what is. I don't think you average slightly overweight person is addicted to sugar. But sugar addiction is absolutely a real thing. And while at a lesser degree it might not be harmful believe me it absolutely can ruin a life.

    I am not saying you have to give up your sugary cereal or anything. But people with uncontrollable sugar cravings probably have the same condition I had to a greater or lesser degree.

    did you blow your life savings on sugar?

    carry sugar packets around in your pocket and eat them whenever you felt a craving come on?
    kind of an odd argument...
    if someone doesnt blow their life savings on coke but they do it every single day are they not addicted?

    if you do coke every day you will be broke…unless of course you are already a millionaire or something ….

    that was partially made in jest….
    fair enough, but to dismiss the argument that sugar can be addictive is incorrect. just trying to get the facts straight, im not encouraging totally cutting out sugars from our diets, its unrealistic
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  • _Resolve_
    _Resolve_ Posts: 735 Member
    *Spits out apple*


    oh my god what have I done?

    you just added a pound of fat mass to your body, I hope the apple was worth it….


    noooooooooo I better do a raspberry ketone and chase it with a cucumber water asap
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    you can pry my fruit from my cold dead hands!

    Open diary, blow sugar macros out of the water every day

    still losing weight.

    Believe in added sugars in moderation, but fruit? All day every day. Not a day goes by I dont have it!

    You dear lady are playing with a ticking time bomb....don't you know that???:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • iPlatano
    iPlatano Posts: 487 Member
    And if it really does. It doesn't matter because at the end of the day if you are eating at a deficit you will lose weight.
  • iPlatano
    iPlatano Posts: 487 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL

    If sugar is as addictive as drugs why dont you see people sucking ****s for Oreo, cookies or lollipops? When people start doing that then you can talk about sugar being a drug.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL

    If sugar is as addictive as drugs why dont you think people will be sucking this for Oreo cookies or lollipops? When people start doing that then you can talk about sugar being a drug.
    Id be surprised to learn if anyone has sucked a d for weed or mushrooms, or on a lower scale, aspirin or allergy meds, but they are drugs nonetheless. the term "drug" doesnt have the strict conditions that most people think it does
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  • Hendrix7
    Hendrix7 Posts: 1,903 Member
    It almost seems redundant after all the sensible replies. But I will say it anyway. Sugar is only evil if over indulged in. It's true your body can become addicted to it. In fact I was and breaking that addiction was perhaps the greatest test of willpower in my life. BUT I do not blame sugar for that I blame my own weak will and lack of restraint. I overdid it and that got my metabolism hooked on those quick empty calories. And it's as simple as that. Used in moderation sugar is a welcome part of any homo sapiens diet. And THE best thing to recover energy after exercise. It's not just ok it's USEFUL

    If sugar is as addictive as drugs why dont you think people will be sucking this for Oreo cookies or lollipops? When people start doing that then you can talk about sugar being a drug.
    Id be surprised to learn if anyone has sucked a d for weed

    I wouldn't
  • FrankieTrailBlazer
    FrankieTrailBlazer Posts: 124 Member
    Lustig is a crank, an Atkins Foundation-funded researcher. He is just towing the company line.


    http://www.plantpositive.com/25-cholesterol-confusion-8-a-l
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wmidN8rYkU&index=26&list=PLv3QDzdxan_JkGX47Rpboyh2oYyAFZDBA

    Good luck in your research.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    Id be surprised to learn if anyone has sucked a d for weed

    I wouldn't
    then i dont think you've ever tried it. you would have to be pretty desperate for such a mundane high
  • F00LofaT00K
    F00LofaT00K Posts: 688 Member
    Stooooooooooooop iiiiiiiiiiiiiit! PLEASE??????

    Many things in this world convert to many other things in this world. I eat sugar, I am getting less and less fat every day. It's impossible for the body to gain weight while in a caloric deficit, regardless of where the calories come from. The ONLY reason sugar should be limited to any degree is because of its lack of nutrients. It's better to get more of your carbs from vitamin rich fruits and veggies than skittles and laffy taffy. . . but there's is absolutely NOTHING wrong with eating sugar, even on a daily basis, unless the person suffers from a medical condition in which they cannot properly manage their blood sugar. I EAT CANDY OFTEN. And cake. And ice cream. I had Lucky Charms this morning and didn't get fat.